Breaking: Senate vote on Buffett Rule fails, of course; Update: Collins votes yes, Pryor votes no

posted at 7:15 pm on April 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

The vote began at 6:05 ET and as of an hour later they’re still holding it open, so we’ll have to wait for the final tally. The outcome isn’t in doubt but I’m curious to see if anyone from either party crossed the aisle. If ever Democrats could expect a lockstep vote from their caucus it, this is it. New from CNN, the breakdown when adults are asked whether they support a 30 percent minimum tax on people who earn more than a million dollars per year:

Majorities across the board say yes — including among Republicans. Is that enough of a nudge to get squishes like Scott Brown and Lisa Murkowski to vote yay for a lame populist pander that does almost nothing to reduce the deficit? We’ll find out any minute now. My own take on this is that, while swing voters are happy to support higher taxes on the rich when asked, they simply don’t care much. Ask them about jobs and gas prices and their eyes light up; ask them about this and you’ll get a diffident “yeah, I guess.” For a contrarian take, though, read Jazz Shaw’s response this past weekend urging conservatives not to underestimate the powerful appeal of a “fairness” narrative. I personally can’t imagine a scenario where the economy slogs along but voters decide to roll the dice on four more years anyway because O promises to squeeze a few extra pennies out of millionaires, but we’ll see.

Either way, bear in mind that this issue is simply a skirmish in the wider war to come over letting the Bush tax cuts lapse. I’m not sure, in fact, why O bothered with a gimmick like this when he could have spent the last few months making the case for those tax hikes instead. It’s the same basic argument — the rich need to pay their “fair share” — but in that case, he’d at least be able to point to trillions in new revenue to support his position. That is to say, there’s a fiscal argument to be made for killing the Bush tax cuts. The only argument to be made for the Buffett Rule, really, is moral based on an arbitrary definition of “fairness.” Why fight a battle like that on unfavorable ground? Maybe, I guess, just to force the GOP into voting it down so that you’ve got an extra little talking point for the campaign.

While we wait, here’s an RNC tribute to The One’s artistry in excuse-making. Add tonight’s vote on the “Buffett Rule,” a red herring on serious fiscal reform if ever there was one, to this list.

Update: The vote was 51/45. Stand by for the roll.

Update: As promised, here’s the roll. Straight party line — with two very predictable exceptions. Belated exit question: Why didn’t Scott Brown vote yes? Elizabeth Warren’s going to bludgeon him with this. Either he strongly agrees with me that the Buffett Rule is an electoral nothingburger or he’s being a surprisingly loyal party soldier this time.


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The next time someone tells you that the Republicans care about the
American people just give them this list of all the bill Republicans
wanted to fail.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Good, until a budget is passed, no non-emergency legislation should even be taken up.

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 7:48 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Because that’s what democracy’s all about: the majority deciding what to take from the minority, right?

Carolus on April 16, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Democracy can be best described as two wolves and one sheep getting together to decide what’s for supper.

trs on April 16, 2012 at 7:48 PM

spinach.chin on April 16, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Iraq has 500 tons of chemical weapons:

Not true

Iraq has 30,000 weapons capable of dumping chemical weapons on people

Not True

Iraq has a growing fleet of planes capable of dispersing chemical weapons almost anywhere in the world

Not True

Iraq aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaeda

And implied that Iraq was somehow behind 9/11

Not True

Iraq has attempted to purchase metal tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production

Not True

Only some of the list.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Stop just listening to MSNBC and become an independent thinker.

tetriskid on April 16, 2012 at 7:42 PM

What? And give up my blankey?
damien1967 on April 16,2012 at 7:43 PM

arnold ziffel on April 16, 2012 at 7:49 PM

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 7:48 PM

No Budget will be passed because Republicans want that talking point, and here again you need 60 votes.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:50 PM

arnold ziffel on April 16, 2012 at 7:49 PM

I dont have cable, so therefore am not watching MSNBC. idiot

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:50 PM

damian1967 on April 16, more times

Just about everything you spew:

Not True

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 7:50 PM

The Iraq war was based on a lie. You can not change facts.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM

dont be so tough on tenet man. for it to be a lie he had to KNOW it wasnt true. now i know bush inherited him from clinton, but just becuase clinton was a known liar, dont ascribe that to tenet. bush got handed a raw deal from clinton, yes. but we dont dwell on that. no real man would go around blaming his rpedecessor. good lord, no man, real man, would stand for that. the clinton era defense folks were just dumb; not liars. relax.

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 7:51 PM

damian1967,
why didn’t the Democrats pass a budget when they had 60 votes before the mid-term?

rob verdi on April 16, 2012 at 7:51 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Thank Pete for the GOP…!

Seven Percent Solution on April 16, 2012 at 7:51 PM

I dont have cable, so therefore am not watching MSNBC. idiot

damian1967

You probably blame the GOP for that too.

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:51 PM

The problem is that most people who want this are the ones who have nothing to begin with and also have no idea what they are asking for. All they know is someone has more money than they could ever imagine and they want their share of it, doesn’t matter if they didn’t work for it you have it they don’t and they want it. So they vote for Obuma because they don’t know better.

Pomai on April 16, 2012 at 7:52 PM

The next time someone tells you that the Republicans care about the
American people just give them this list of all the bill Republicans
wanted to fail.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Please lookup the word “cherry pick”. Do you have any understanding of how a bill is actually put together and introduced into the House? Do you believe that 2700+ pages of Obamacare simply insures all uninsured and lets you stay on mommy’s and daddy’s insurance policy until you’re 26? Period?

If you want to take every single one of those bills and tell us the whole story about each, then you can have a reasonable discussion about who blocks what and for what reason.

How did you think your messiah managed to add $5 trillion of debt during his reign? (sorry, I know that’s a very hard question for you, but I have to ask).

VietVet_Dave on April 16, 2012 at 7:52 PM

The next time someone tells you that the Republicans care about the
American people just give them this list of all the bill Republicans wanted to fail.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:45 PM

I assume you’ll be thowing a tizzy fit that the president and senate have not acted to approve the budget that passed the republican controlled house. Or are Obama and the senate Dems just BLOCKING EVERYTHING!!!1!!1!ELEVEN!!

FYI… bocking retarded liberal legislation is the definition of caring for the American people.

Scrappy on April 16, 2012 at 7:52 PM

The Buffet Rule brings in 4 days of Government spending as it is spending today…

6 months of political campaigning for this bill by Obama…..

We are about 5 months and 25 days too late…

From where I am sitting….
This isn’t the answer..

Electrongod on April 16, 2012 at 7:52 PM

No Budget will be passed because Republicans want that talking point, and here again you need 60 votes.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:50 PM

see you are not lieing, you just dont KNOW it only takes 51 votes in reconcil for budgets. see how it works! nice move.

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Dumian1967, please prove the GOP blocks everything.
You have yet to do so.

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:52 PM

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 7:48 PM

No Budget will be passed because Republicans want that talking point, and here again you need 60 votes.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Again, not true. Dems haven’t passed a budget even when they controlled both houses.

Heck, they even turned down 0bama’s budget.

Try another lie.

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 7:53 PM

No Budget will be passed because Republicans want that talking point, and here again you need 60 votes.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:50 PM

60 votes for a budget?

WRONG!

ButterflyDragon on April 16, 2012 at 7:53 PM

VietVet_Dave on April 16, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Damian, if I wanted to make you cry, I would have posted ALL of them.

Now, be a man and face the facts. Even Maerose Prizzi claimed that Saddam Hussein had WMD when Bush was still Governor of Texas and after he became President. And, she based her opinions on “10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities.”

Resist We Much on April 16, 2012 at 7:53 PM

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 112th Congress – 2nd Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary
************

Alphabetical by Senator Name
*****************************

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=2&vote=00065

canopfor on April 16, 2012 at 7:53 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:45 PM

As I said, the Dems should be able to roll over the Repubs this November, the only real poll that counts. Why are you so afraid of elections?

Phil-351 on April 16, 2012 at 7:54 PM

No Budget will be passed because Republicans want that talking point, and here again you need 60 votes.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Wrong. See the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974. Only 51 votes, which can include a tie-breaking vote cast by the Vice-President, are needed to pass a budget.

Resist We Much on April 16, 2012 at 7:54 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:49 PM

and those were just the democrats in congress saying that! wait til you get a load of what tenet said!

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Phil-351 on April 16, 2012 at 7:54 PM

I’m not afraid of elections, never have been. I live in a solid blue state, that is much better off than most red states out there.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Again, not true. Dems haven’t passed a budget even when they controlled both houses.

Heck, they even turned down 0bama’s budget.

Try another lie.

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 7:53 PM

In another era, pre 2009 I mean, voting against a black president’s plans would have been considered racist.

See, we are making strides against bigotry here in the U.S.

Bishop on April 16, 2012 at 7:55 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Those are your claims.
Provide your evidence.

I think you should substitute “had” for “has”…but then again, I suspect you live most of your life living in the past.

Mimzey on April 16, 2012 at 7:55 PM

The Iraq war was based on a lie. You can not change facts.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM

So lemme guess ……
the Senate could not pass the Buffetttt Rule because of Bush , Cheney and Halliburton , right ?
C’mon go ahead and say it :O

burrata on April 16, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Damian1967, when you post such obviously dishonest things, you only help the GOP that you hate so much. You see, when we hit your unhinged claims out of the park, it makes us look good to those trying to learn about politics.
Thanks for the easy scores.

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:56 PM

I’m not afraid of elections, never have been. I live in a solid blue state, that is much better off than most red states out there.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Question is, will she have the courage to name the state.

Bishop on April 16, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Am I the only one who has noticed a considerable drop in troll-quality?

Valkyriepundit on April 16, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Belated exit question: Why didn’t Scott Brown vote yes? Elizabeth Warren’s going to bludgeon him with this. Either he strongly agrees with me that the Buffett Rule is an electoral nothingburger or he’s being a surprisingly loyal party soldier this time.

AP, I actually think it’s both.

Myron Falwell on April 16, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Because most americans do not understand what is going on when they block everything.
 
damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:38 PM

 

They are suppose to be representative of the people, NOT the minority or people, the majority of people.
 
damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM
 
Im not really for obamacare, but this has nothing to do with that. They had a chance here to actually do what a majority of Americans want…
 
damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM
 
I am not stupid, we all know you need 60 votes in the senate now, it is the new required votes,
 
damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:33 PM
 
No Budget will be passed because Republicans want that talking point, and here again you need 60 votes.
 
damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:50 PM

 
You are so awesome.

rogerb on April 16, 2012 at 7:57 PM

damian1967,
So when called on your bs about 60 votes you vanish? No surprise my final thought to you, why won’t Obama sign off on the entire Keystone pipeline, which has majority poll support/ (Since that is your metric for wether a politician is in touch or not)

rob verdi on April 16, 2012 at 7:58 PM

damian1967 is getting more education right here on HA then the 44 years of liberal schooling..

:)

Electrongod on April 16, 2012 at 7:58 PM

No Budget will be passed because Republicans want that talking point, and here again you need 60 votes.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Whomever paid for your “private” education, got ripped off.

JPeterman on April 16, 2012 at 7:58 PM

See, we are making strides against bigotry here in the U.S.

Bishop on April 16, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Could be…or the zero in chief could be such a total socialist that he cannot even get libs to vote for his goofy socialism. Then it only looks racist.

damian not withstanding. It sounds like Mao was too far to the right for little damian.

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 7:58 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:55 PM

If you’re not afraid of elections, then why keep drumming that old, beat-up dead horse?

Phil-351 on April 16, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Resist We Much on April 16, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Wrong again my friend.

The limitation on debate that prevents a budget reconciliation bill from being filibustered in the Senate (that is requiring a three-fifths vote to end debate) led to frequent attempts to attach amendments unrelated to the budget to the reconciliation bills. In response, budget reconciliation acts of 1985, 1986, and 1990 adopted what is known as the Byrd Rule (Section 313 of the Budget Act).[1] The Byrd Rule allows Senators to raise points of order (which can be waived only by a three-fifths majority of Senators, provisions that fail are colloquially referred to as “Byrd droppings”[2]) against provisions in the reconciliation bills that are “extraneous,” where extraneous is defined in the rule according to one of six provisions.[3] Provisions are considered extraneous if they:

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:59 PM

I’m not afraid of elections, never have been. I live in a solid blue state, that is much better off than most red states out there.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:55 PM

god bless diversity!

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 7:59 PM

damian1967,
So when called on your bs about 60 votes you vanish? No surprise my final thought to you, why won’t Obama sign off on the entire Keystone pipeline, which has majority poll support/ (Since that is your metric for wether a politician is in touch or not)

rob verdi

That is another of his patterns. Don’t be surprised if appears again on another thread or later on this one when he thinks those that caught him lying are gone.

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:59 PM

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Liberal,er,Socialist Coommom Sense!

CNBC tweeted:
*****************

Pres. Obama on Failure of Buffett Vote:
****************************************

Rule is common sense & about basic fairness; will push Congress to take steps to help middle class.

10 mins ago from twitter.com/CNBC

canopfor on April 16, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Electrongod on April 16, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Liberal schooling? Catholic school is not liberal schooling.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Am I the only one who has noticed a considerable drop in troll-quality?

Valkyriepundit on April 16, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Looking at Damien’s posts makes me pine for the glory days of ‘liberal4life.’

/sarc

Myron Falwell on April 16, 2012 at 8:00 PM

No Budget will be passed because Republicans want that talking point, and here again you need 60 votes.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Nice try. All you need is a simple majority to pass a budget in the Senate. We don’t have a budget because the Democrats are too damn embarrassed to pass one.

eyedoc on April 16, 2012 at 8:00 PM

So damian, where is your proof the GOP blocks everything?

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:59 PM

I didnt vanish. 60 votes is still required if you actually read a little, and not listen to right wing talking points.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Look back I posted it.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:01 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Doubling down on stupid?

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Look back I posted it.

damian1967

And I already told you, that wasn’t everything.
You lied again.

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Until you control illegal immigration you cannot control anything else.

Budgets are meaningless when the country is being actively undermined by a combo of political whores- those who want slave labor and those who want future voters- from both sides who ignore this fatal fact.

profitsbeard on April 16, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Liberal schooling? Catholic school is not liberal schooling.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Then why did you reject their teachings?

Electrongod on April 16, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Wrong again my friend.

The limitation on debate that prevents a budget reconciliation bi….

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:59 PM

dude. do you know what you are saying. good grief. the bird bath is to strip out non-budget related provisions, christmas tree-ing a budget. if its NON budget related it can be tossed. so exactly where is the fact that a BUDGET needs 60 votes? it needs 51 if there are no NON budgetary items. good lord dude. and when did the budget that ried brought up, get bird bathed again? when was that?

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Wrong again my friend.

The limitation on debate that prevents a budget reconciliation bill from being filibustered in the Senate (that is requiring a three-fifths vote to end debate) led to frequent attempts to attach amendments unrelated to the budget to the reconciliation bills. In response, budget reconciliation acts of 1985, 1986, and 1990 adopted what is known as the Byrd Rule (Section 313 of the Budget Act).[1] The Byrd Rule allows Senators to raise points of order (which can be waived only by a three-fifths majority of Senators, provisions that fail are colloquially referred to as “Byrd droppings”[2]) against provisions in the reconciliation bills that are “extraneous,” where extraneous is defined in the rule according to one of six provisions.[3] Provisions are considered extraneous if they:

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:59 PM

hehe. plagiarism fail.

Scrappy on April 16, 2012 at 8:02 PM

damian1967 is getting more education right here on HA then the 44 years of liberal schooling..

:)

Electrongod on April 16, 2012 at 7:58 PM

You’re giving him way too much credit. I think he’s lying. I think its really damian1987

VietVet_Dave on April 16, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Letse see, 7 out of 10 Americans want the buffett rule, however republicans do not want to do what the majority of American voters WANT.

They are suppose to be representative of the people, NOT the minority or people, the majority of people.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

The Buffet rule is idiotic. This will be forgotten by the weekend. If not, there’s always the ballot box.

Trust me, there will be no outrage.

Chuck Schick on April 16, 2012 at 8:03 PM

I didnt vanish. 60 votes is still required if you actually read a little, and not listen to right wing talking points.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:00 PM

So why didn’t it pass if the Democrats hold the majority in the Senate?

JPeterman on April 16, 2012 at 8:03 PM

um damian:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/feb/13/jack-lew/white-house-chief-staff-jack-lew-says-budget-requi/

jack lew said what you are saying and got a ‘FALSE’ from pilitifact. so they lie!! and they are supposed to score facts; doggone. i guess we are just left with damian. thank god.

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 8:04 PM

I’m off for a bit. Have fun with damian1987.

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 8:04 PM

I didnt vanish. 60 votes is still required if you actually read a little, and not listen to right wing talking points.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Senate rules are now GOP talking points?

Dude you really need to get off the pipe.

Scrappy on April 16, 2012 at 8:05 PM

I didnt vanish. 60 votes is still required if you actually read a little, and not listen to right wing talking points.
 
damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:00 PM

 
From that bastion of right-wing talking points ABC, Feb. 2012:
 

Budgets only require 51 Senate votes for passage, as Lew — former director of the Office of Management and Budget — surely must know.
 
White House officials did not dispute that Lew misspoke. When asked about the discrepancy, a White House official said “the chief of staff was clearly referencing the general gridlock in Congress that makes accomplishing even the most basic tasks nearly impossible given the Senate Republicans’ insistence on blocking an up or down vote on nearly every issue.”
 
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/wh-chief-of-staff-errs-on-senate-budget-rules/

 
You were saying something about not listening to talking points?

rogerb on April 16, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Damian, serious question – Puff Ho, Kos Kiddie, or DUmmie – who is paying you to post here?

D-fusit on April 16, 2012 at 8:06 PM

I didnt vanish. 60 votes is still required if you actually read a little, and not listen to right wing talking points.

You can’t have a reconciliation bill till you actually pass a budget out of the Senate. Do you know what a reconciliation bill even is? Your google foo is weak.

lowandslow on April 16, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Wrong again my friend.

The limitation on debate that prevents a budget reconciliation bill from being filibustered in the Senate (that is requiring a three-fifths vote to end debate) led to frequent attempts to attach amendments unrelated to the budget to the reconciliation bills. In response, budget reconciliation acts of 1985, 1986, and 1990 adopted what is known as the Byrd Rule (Section 313 of the Budget Act).[1] The Byrd Rule allows Senators to raise points of order (which can be waived only by a three-fifths majority of Senators, provisions that fail are colloquially referred to as “Byrd droppings”[2]) against provisions in the reconciliation bills that are “extraneous,” where extraneous is defined in the rule according to one of six provisions.[3] Provisions are considered extraneous if they:

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:59 PM

You can filibuster a pure spending bill, not the annual budget resolution.

Chuck Schick on April 16, 2012 at 8:06 PM

In response, budget reconciliation acts of 1985, 1986, and 1990 adopted what is known as the Byrd Rule (Section 313 of the Budget Act

Except that the BRA of 1990 failed to include the term “extraneous circumstances” because the language was thought to be too broad and was therefore excluded. The 3/5 majority to provide a waiver never took effect because it was never ratified by the Senate or attached as a point of order in the final reconciliation act.

You lose.

Bishop on April 16, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Le Crap,I Scrotched the spelling,(Coommom)should be Common!!

canopfor on April 16, 2012 at 8:06 PM

No Budget will be passed because Republicans want that talking point, and here again you need 60 votes.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:50 PM

How can a budget pass when Harry Reid refuses the put it up for a vote?

bw222 on April 16, 2012 at 8:08 PM

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 8:04 PM

From your same link:

A budget resolution is just a blueprint; being able to implement many of its provisions would likely require 60 votes eventually

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:08 PM

damian1967: You have shamed Sister Mary Torquemada with your ignorance. Didn’t she crack you on the knuckles enough to knock some sense into you?

Maybe the “so-called” former Speaker Nancy Pelosi had a hand in your home schooling. She has already weighed in on the disappointing Senate vote.

“Tonight, Senate Republicans voted against the so-called ‘Buffett rule’ which would restore fairness by fixing a stark tax inequity. Tomorrow, House Republicans will again pass their devastating budget that gives massive tax breaks to millionaires and ends the Medicare guarantee. Later this week, House Republicans will act to benefit their special interest friends by putting forward legislation that adds $46 billion to the deficit and does not require the creation of one single job.

“Once again, Republicans are giving away billions of dollars to millionaires at the expense of middle class Americans.

“Democrats will continue to work to create jobs, strengthen small businesses, and bolster America’s middle class, while supporting a balanced approach to reduce the deficit.”

Aren’t the Botox injections keeping her lying nose under control?

onlineanalyst on April 16, 2012 at 8:08 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:49 PM

The civil war was fought because democrats angry and afraid that the very first Republican president was going to take away their right to own black men women and children. They first fled the union ( fleebaggers then ….and now ) then began the war when they fired on a union fort.

WW I ….a democrat president
WW II ….. a democrat president
Korea …. a democrat president
Vietnam …. first troops under truman all in under kennedy and johnston

The only time nukes have been used against people was by a democrat ….twice and civilians at that

A democrat is also the only person to have imprisoned American citizens based on race …not on any crimes committed or suspected of

1.3 million dead American servicemen and women and untold tens of millions of other deaths under or because of democrats…. How many under Republicans again

Aggie95 on April 16, 2012 at 8:09 PM

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Oh and by the way:

Isakson: Democrats failed to submit budget in past 1,000 days

Mostly False:

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/mar/14/johnny-isakson/isakson-democrats-failed-submit-budget-1000-days/

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Damian, serious question – Puff Ho, Kos Kiddie, or DUmmie – who is paying you to post here?

D-fusit on April 16, 2012 at 8:06 PM

he’s too dumb to be paid. the poor kid is just young and confused. he sounds about 16. leave him alone. he’s learning a lot today. he will ignore it. but the shame will sting for a while. and eventually turn to acceptance. and later, wisdom. perhaps. but he needs the humuliation. so the idiocy poured into his head can be drained. poor dumb kid.

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Millions of Occupiers have just fell silent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on April 16, 2012 at 8:12 PM

blink on April 16, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Why dont republicans compromise at all? They only control 1/3rd of the goverment and they hold it hostage.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:12 PM

rogerb on April 16, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Don’t confuse Damian1967 with any facts; he’s confused enough already. You don’t have to be a moron to be a leftist, but it certainly helps.

bw222 on April 16, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Update: Collins votes yes,
==========================

****************** TYPICAL *******************************

canopfor on April 16, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Its Official …Senate Democrats Are The Laziest Since The Last Democrat President

http://rightwingfringe.blogspot.com/

Aggie95 on April 16, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Isakson: Democrats failed to submit budget in past 1,000 days

Mostly False:

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/mar/14/johnny-isakson/isakson-democrats-failed-submit-budget-1000-days/

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:09 PM

dude. do you READ what you link? my god. it says they submitted a budget. once. and never moved it to committe. never brouight it up. never mnoved it. the entire time whole controlling the senate. DO. YOU. GET. IT. they placed the thing on the table, then scurried it away and never did what the majprity is REQUIRED by law to do. bring it forward for vote, after taking it thru committee. come on kid. you lose. just admit it. your learning stuff you didnt know. this is good for you. theres never been a bird bath because the dems never even advanced it. see how it works now??

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Wrong again my friend.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Nope. I am not wrong. Call the Senate Parliamentarian’s office tomorrow and ask her.

Resist We Much on April 16, 2012 at 8:14 PM

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 8:09 PM

I do not need to be paid by anyone, I post my thoughts from what I learn through reading.

I do not listen to one side or the other, I read what both have to say and make a judgement on my own.

I do not watch TV to let anyone influence me.

I am here because I enjoy reading what others have to say and debating the issues and facts.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Until you control illegal immigration you cannot control anything else.

Budgets are meaningless when the country is being actively undermined by a combo of political whores- those who want slave labor and those who want future voters- from both sides who ignore this fatal fact.

profitsbeard on April 16, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Agree 100%.
Illegals and their anchor babies mooch off the system into which they pay nothing ever .
Then they claim tax refunds without paying taxes

burrata on April 16, 2012 at 8:15 PM

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 8:13 PM

You obviously do not read:

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Why does Harry Reid want to block budget votes?

blink on April 16, 2012 at 8:10 PM

you lie!
obamas 2010 budget was voted on in senate.
0-97

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/163347-senate-votes-unanimously-against-obama-budget

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 8:15 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:08 PM

 

blink on April 16, 2012 at 8:10 PM

 
damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:12 PM

 
So you’re just going to completely ignore the ABC link since it doesn’t fit the narrative you’re hoping to push?
 

and debating the issues and facts.
 
damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:14 PM

 
Um, about that last part…

rogerb on April 16, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Why dont republicans compromise at all? They only control 1/3rd of the goverment and they hold it hostage.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:12 PM

And who holds the other two-thirds, idiot?

JPeterman on April 16, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Why dont republicans compromise at all?

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Because they were voted into office by historical numbers to stop the Obama-naught? Maybe? You think? Come on, think!

Phil-351 on April 16, 2012 at 8:17 PM

No budget has been passed in the Democrat-controlled U.S. Senate. None has been put up for a vote in that time, either. But one was submitted April 26, 2010, or 640 days before Isakson issued his press release.

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 8:17 PM

burrata on April 16, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Another right wing talking point. Illegals do pay taxes, everytime they buy something.

And also:

In 2009, the last year for which figures are available, employers reported wages of $72.8 billion for 7.7 million workers who could not be matched to legal Social Security numbers.

That means about $11.2 billion went into the Social Security Trust Fund in 2007, and $2.6 billion went into Medicare. While that money will be used to pay retirees and health-care beneficiaries, it most likely will never be claimed by the illegal immigrants who contributed it.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Why dont republicans compromise at all? They only control 1/3rd of the goverment and they hold it hostage.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:12 PM

doesnt sday much for the dems tho do it?? think about that. they control 66% of it, and are so powerless and/or inept,stupid, they cant seem to do anything. its a good endorsement of their …um…”skill”?

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 8:19 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Reading is not a strong point with you.

That said, this flaw in Isakson’s statement doesn’t undermine his larger point. The budget resolution for 2011 languished. It never went up for a vote, and Democrats haven’t submitted one since. In the past few years, Senate Democrats have taken limited action on budget resolutions.

They put up a budget that they wouldn’t even vote on.

That makes it a non-starter, therefore no budget.

Even Politifact won’t cover for you.

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 8:20 PM

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 8:19 PM

WHy are there more fillibusters since republicans have been in the minority of the senate than any other time in history?

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:20 PM

I do not need to be paid by anyone, I post my thoughts from what I learn through reading.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:14 PM

That education money really was wasted.

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 8:22 PM

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 8:22 PM

LOL, your a funny guy

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:23 PM

WHy are there more fillibusters since republicans have been in the minority of the senate than any other time in history?

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:20 PM

False

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 8:23 PM

employers reported wages of $72.8 billion for 7.7 million workers who could not be matched to legal Social Security numbers.

 
damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:18 PM

 
You realize that each of those instances is a potential audit and living hell for the actual SS# holder, right?
 
You’re okay with that? Not to mention the lost money to legal fees, lost productivity, etc.?

rogerb on April 16, 2012 at 8:23 PM

LOL, your a funny guy

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:23 PM

And you’re not.

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 8:23 PM

I do not need to be paid by anyone, I post my thoughts from what I learn through reading.

I do not listen to one side or the other, I read what both have to say and make a judgement on my own.

I do not watch TV to let anyone influence me.

I am here because I enjoy reading what others have to say and debating the issues and facts.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Did you learn anything?

Or did you make your judgment prior to posting on HA?

Electrongod on April 16, 2012 at 8:24 PM

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