Breaking: Senate vote on Buffett Rule fails, of course; Update: Collins votes yes, Pryor votes no

posted at 7:15 pm on April 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

The vote began at 6:05 ET and as of an hour later they’re still holding it open, so we’ll have to wait for the final tally. The outcome isn’t in doubt but I’m curious to see if anyone from either party crossed the aisle. If ever Democrats could expect a lockstep vote from their caucus it, this is it. New from CNN, the breakdown when adults are asked whether they support a 30 percent minimum tax on people who earn more than a million dollars per year:

Majorities across the board say yes — including among Republicans. Is that enough of a nudge to get squishes like Scott Brown and Lisa Murkowski to vote yay for a lame populist pander that does almost nothing to reduce the deficit? We’ll find out any minute now. My own take on this is that, while swing voters are happy to support higher taxes on the rich when asked, they simply don’t care much. Ask them about jobs and gas prices and their eyes light up; ask them about this and you’ll get a diffident “yeah, I guess.” For a contrarian take, though, read Jazz Shaw’s response this past weekend urging conservatives not to underestimate the powerful appeal of a “fairness” narrative. I personally can’t imagine a scenario where the economy slogs along but voters decide to roll the dice on four more years anyway because O promises to squeeze a few extra pennies out of millionaires, but we’ll see.

Either way, bear in mind that this issue is simply a skirmish in the wider war to come over letting the Bush tax cuts lapse. I’m not sure, in fact, why O bothered with a gimmick like this when he could have spent the last few months making the case for those tax hikes instead. It’s the same basic argument — the rich need to pay their “fair share” — but in that case, he’d at least be able to point to trillions in new revenue to support his position. That is to say, there’s a fiscal argument to be made for killing the Bush tax cuts. The only argument to be made for the Buffett Rule, really, is moral based on an arbitrary definition of “fairness.” Why fight a battle like that on unfavorable ground? Maybe, I guess, just to force the GOP into voting it down so that you’ve got an extra little talking point for the campaign.

While we wait, here’s an RNC tribute to The One’s artistry in excuse-making. Add tonight’s vote on the “Buffett Rule,” a red herring on serious fiscal reform if ever there was one, to this list.

Update: The vote was 51/45. Stand by for the roll.

Update: As promised, here’s the roll. Straight party line — with two very predictable exceptions. Belated exit question: Why didn’t Scott Brown vote yes? Elizabeth Warren’s going to bludgeon him with this. Either he strongly agrees with me that the Buffett Rule is an electoral nothingburger or he’s being a surprisingly loyal party soldier this time.


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Letse see, 7 out of 10 Americans want the buffett rule, however republicans do not want to do what the majority of American voters WANT.

They are suppose to be representative of the people, NOT the minority or people, the majority of people.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Obama: “If I had a fat cat donor he would look exactly like Warren Buffet”.

NickDeringer on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

an unserious president with a pathetic Senate, the titanic steams ahead. By the way, Europe is about to experience another possible collapse starting with Spain.

rob verdi on April 16, 2012 at 7:18 PM

And here I thought all new taxes began in the House. Silly me.

tarpon on April 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM

YAYYYYY!
Hey dumian1967, does it ever occur to you that that poll was BS and that they did what their constituents wanted?

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM

I used to like Old Country Buffet, until the day came when some heavies swarmed over me to get at the tray of fresh chicken wings; I’m still undergoing therapy to try and purge the nightmares.

Bishop on April 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM

damian1967,
Thats hilarious when you think about what people want to do with Obamacare.

rob verdi on April 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Obama’s next plan: The Mitt Romney rule, which will confiscate 100% of Mitt Romney’s wealth. That was the whole point of this stupid exercise in the first place, right?

Carolus on April 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Letse see, 7 out of 10 Americans want the buffett rule, however republicans do not want to do what the majority of American voters WANT.

They are suppose to be representative of the people, NOT the minority or people, the majority of people.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Childish.

Aplombed on April 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM

The Federal Debt is approaching +$16 Trillion dollars and growing…

… the Democrats can’t stop spending, and all we have to show for it is ‘bread and circuses’.

Too bad it’s not an election year…

… Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on April 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM

rob verdi on April 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Im not really for obamacare, but this has nothing to do with that. They had a chance here to actually do what a majority of Americans want, and they did a 90 right hand turn on it, flipping off the people in even their own party that want this.

This is why the GOP is out of touch.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Letse see, 7 out of 10 Americans want the buffett rule, however republicans do not want to do what the majority of American voters WANT.

They are suppose to be representative of the people, NOT the minority or people, the majority of people.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

So you supported the Iraq war eh? Good to know!

CW on April 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM

1) 1% pays 40% of the taxes
2) Buffett was talking about payroll taxes knowing the proposed law wouldn’t effect him – he gets most of his money from investments which is taxed at a lower rate.
3) Roughly half of all Americans don’t pay said tax.

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Aplombed on April 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Yes childish to actually want the people elected to do as the majority of the people in this country want.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:22 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

When people vote on gay marriage it always loses. I suspect it angers you that the courts go against the will of the people right?

Good for you!!

CW on April 16, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Letse see, 7 out of 10 Americans want the buffett rule, however republicans do not want to do what the majority of American voters WANT.

They are suppose to be representative of the people, NOT the minority or people, the majority of people.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

They’re “suppose” to, eh?

When did Senators start having to follow national polls?

Republican Senators are obligate to represent the interests of THEIR consituents – not everyone elses’ constituents.

Back to DailyKos with you. Your complete and utter lack of understanding of the principles of a representative republic are boring and tedious.

Good day.

P.s.

“NOT the minority or people”

You got a problem with minorities? They don’t get a say in the governance of the country?

CycloneCDB on April 16, 2012 at 7:23 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Because that’s what democracy’s all about: the majority deciding what to take from the minority, right?

Carolus on April 16, 2012 at 7:23 PM

CW on April 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM

I supported it at first, till it was found out to be a lie on why we went into it.

I am still a believer that all of those resources should of been put into Afghanatan from the start.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Letse see, 7 out of 10 Americans want the buffett rule, however republicans do not want to do what the majority of American voters WANT.

They are suppose to be representative of the people, NOT the minority or people, the majority of people.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

This is the Senate, you moron. You know that place where the Democrats hold the majority!

But you knew that right?

JPeterman on April 16, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Im not really for obamacare, but this has nothing to do with that. They had a chance here to actually do what a majority of Americans want, and they did a 90 right hand turn on it, flipping off the people in even their own party that want this.

This is why the GOP is out of touch.

damian1967

Based off an unreliable poll you decide that elected officials should ignore what their constituents are calling to tell them.
You really are a mental case.

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Carolus on April 16, 2012 at 7:23 PM

No it is about the people getting what they want as a whole, when the majority speaks, thats who should be listened to, and not voting because your party doesnt want it.

It is we the people, not we the democrats or republicans.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:24 PM

CW on April 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM
I supported it at first, till it was found out to be a lie on why we went into it.

I am still a believer that all of those resources should of been put into Afghanatan from the start.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:23 PM

It was not based on a lie. Now I know you are a grade jackass.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 7:24 PM

the powerful appeal of a “fairness” narrative.

All the white presidents got two terms. It’s only fair Obama gets two, also. How unfair America would look if the first black president didn’t get two terms like his predecessors. Racist/Hater.

^People honestly think this way.

Christien on April 16, 2012 at 7:24 PM

In other Senate news, Majority Leader Harry Reid declared that “this War on Women is lost.”

de rigueur on April 16, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Look on the bright side, if it were to pass, and subsequent investment tanked – we’d have a real answer to rub Barry’s face in.

GarandFan on April 16, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:23 PM

lol, of course it is unreliable, because it goes against what you want.

If it were the other way, you would claim it was reliable.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:25 PM

And here I thought all new taxes began in the House. Silly me.

tarpon on April 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM

A very good point…

… One that should be sent out on every twitter account to make the Democrats take ownership of another fail!

Seven Percent Solution on April 16, 2012 at 7:25 PM

No it is about the people getting what they want as a whole, when the majority speaks, thats who should be listened to, and not voting because your party doesnt want it.

It is we the people, not we the democrats or republicans.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:24 PM

You are so phucked up it is not even funny. It is scary.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Letse see, 7 out of 10 Americans want the buffett rule, however republicans do not want to do what the majority of American voters WANT.

They are suppose to be representative of the people, NOT the minority or people, the majority of people.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Since at least 5 out of 10 people think that millionaires pay less than the middle class, your suggestion that senators should vote to pass the Buffet Rule is hilarious. Why do they think millionaires pay less? Because that’s what Obama and the media has told them.

People base opinions on what they think they know. What they think they know comes from what the media has told them. I doubt that 7 out of 10 even understand the Buffet Rule, so why does their opinion really matter?

NoNails on April 16, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Im not really for obamacare, but this has nothing to do with that. They had a chance here to actually do what a majority of Americans want, and they did a 90 right hand turn on it, flipping off the people in even their own party that want this.

This is why the GOP is out of touch.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM

You are either 8 years old, or your incohernet blather is evidence of the blatant failure that the trillions of dollars this country has pumped into the education system has been.

CycloneCDB on April 16, 2012 at 7:25 PM

They are suppose to be representative of the people, NOT the minority or people, the majority of people.
 
damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

 
Any idea where one can buy a cartoonishly huge gavel?

rogerb on April 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM

CW on April 16, 2012 at 7:24 PM

The Iraq war was based on a lie. You can not change facts.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM

They are suppose to be representative of the people, NOT the minority or people, the majority of people.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Sure didn’t see your turtle head during the Obamacare fight where people were practically begging lawmakers not to pass it. Pelosi’s oversize hammer performance after was ever so nice.

arnold ziffel on April 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM

No it is about the people getting what they want as a whole, when the majority speaks, thats who should be listened to, and not voting because your party doesnt want it.

It is we the people, not we the democrats or republicans.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:24 PM

By this logic we would still have slavery.

CycloneCDB on April 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Yes childish to actually want the people elected to do as the majority of the people in this country want.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:22 PM

This whole “representative” thing we have now is sort of wasteful and slow.

Bishop on April 16, 2012 at 7:27 PM

CycloneCDB on April 16, 2012 at 7:25 PM

I went to a private catholic school. moron

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:27 PM

I supported it at first, till it was found out to be a lie on why we went into it.

I am still a believer that all of those resources should of been put into Afghanatan from the start.

damian1967

Good Lord. A flaming libtard trying to pretend they aren’t.

As was ponted out above, the Senate is dem controlled. Ooops.
The fact you support that which even the dems admit is a political gimmick is telling. I should probably start calling you commrade 1967.

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:27 PM

The Iraq war was based on a lie. You can not change facts.

damian1967

You just did. Hypocrite.

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:28 PM

when the majority speaks, thats who should be listened to, and not voting because your party doesnt want it.
 
damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:24 PM

 
I’m guessing you’re trolling here. Surely you understand the basic idea of constituents.

rogerb on April 16, 2012 at 7:28 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012

==

Oh and I choose the Rassmussen poll that puts Romney ahead. He should be put in office today ..That is what he people as a whole want./

**Pssst. You need to take a government class.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (Rhode Island) has the nerve to have a picture of Reagan!! by his side while he spews talking points.

SouthernGent on April 16, 2012 at 7:29 PM

I went to a private catholic school. moron

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Even the Catholic Church is not perfect.

CycloneCDB on April 16, 2012 at 7:29 PM

The problem with supporting what the “majority of people” want is what official person, organization or government agency determines what people want. The system we have uses elections for that. If people want the asinine buffett rule, then they sould contact their elected representative. This is not a democracy, it is a republic.

Old Country Boy on April 16, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Oh and I choose the Rassmussen poll that puts Romney ahead. He should be put in office today ..That is what he people as a whole want./

**Pssst. You need to take a government class.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 7:28 PM

He thinks we govern the way Simon Cowell does on American Idol.

CycloneCDB on April 16, 2012 at 7:29 PM

No it is about the people getting what they want as a whole, when the majority speaks, thats who should be listened to, and not voting because your party doesnt want it.

It is we the people, not we the democrats or republicans.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:24 PM

What would the People get from this bill?

Electrongod on April 16, 2012 at 7:29 PM

You are either 8 years old, or your incohernet blather is evidence of the blatant failure that the trillions of dollars this country has pumped into the education system has been.

CycloneCDB on April 16, 2012 at 7:25 PM

\

LOL..don’t sell little damian short. He suffers from both arrested development and a terminal case of stupiditis. Typical afflictions of liberals/democrats.

HumpBot Salvation on April 16, 2012 at 7:29 PM

I went to a private catholic school. moron

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Someone didn’t get their money’s worth.

JPeterman on April 16, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Something just lapsed. I just paid about $2,300 extra in income taxes this year, and I made less money than last year.

Hmm. That’s $2,300 which will not be going back into the local economy (I’m remodelling my house, which will be going a bit slower this year because of the money-grab).

unclesmrgol on April 16, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Letse see, 7 out of 10 Americans want the buffett rule, however republicans do not want to do what the majority of American voters WANT.

They are suppose to be representative of the people, NOT the minority or people, the majority of people.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Democrats have a majority and can pass any bill they want.

Math fail.

tetriskid on April 16, 2012 at 7:31 PM

I went to a private catholic school. moron

damian1967

IF that is even true, you clearly learned nothing.

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Something just lapsed. I just paid about $2,300 extra in income taxes this year, and I made less money than last year.

Hmm. That’s $2,300 which will not be going back into the local economy (I’m remodelling my house, which will be going a bit slower this year because of the money-grab).

unclesmrgol on April 16, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Impossible. Obama said he ain’t raised no taxes on nobody and that he actually cut them and you should thank him.

CycloneCDB on April 16, 2012 at 7:31 PM

If it will help convince folks in Congress to make the right choice, we could call it the ‘Reagan Rule’ instead of the ‘Buffett rule.’ … That wild-eyed socialist, tax-hiking class warrior was Ronald Reagan. He thought that in America the wealthiest should pay their fair share, and he said so.

- President Barack Obama

Mr President, to quote the late, great Daniel Patrick Moynihan, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Reagan cut taxes. When he left office, the top marginal tax rate was 28%. The 28% was a CEILING. Your 30% Buffett Rule would put in place a FLOOR.

History shows that when the taxes of a nation approach about 20% of the people’s income, there begins to be a lack of respect for government… When it reaches 25%, there comes an increase in lawlessness.

- President Ronald Reagan

Forget The Buffett Rule! The Reagan Rules Rock!

Resist We Much on April 16, 2012 at 7:32 PM

7 out of 10 americans are mooches who will take anything they can get.

i just declined a mortgage loan app for a couple who both are on full SS Disability…they can’t work at all. yet in the past three years they have opened accounts all over town, have a $681 car payment and just defaulted on a Time Share they bought…with our taxpayer money in this awful economy…just last year.

folks, 70% of americans are a disgrace…trust me. i see their credit reports every day anbd a just sickening.

DrW on April 16, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Someone didn’t get their money’s worth.

JPeterman on April 16, 2012 at 7:30 PM

We can find out whether they did by asking Damien what he thinks about freedom of religion and freedom of conscience, and seeing whether he answers like a Catholic or a Democrat.

unclesmrgol on April 16, 2012 at 7:32 PM

The Iraq war was based on a lie. You can not change facts.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM

What lie…?

Seven Percent Solution on April 16, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Don’t the Democrats control the Senate?

Wagthatdog on April 16, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Look on the bright side, if it were to pass, and subsequent investment tanked – we’d have a real answer to rub Barry’s face in.

GarandFan on April 16, 2012 at 7:25 PM

No. It never works like that. He always has another excuse, and the media always accepts his next excuse.

slickwillie2001 on April 16, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Democrats have a majority and can pass any bill they want.

Math fail.

tetriskid on April 16, 2012 at 7:31 PM

I posted that to dumb Damien way up thread. It chose to ignore the facts.

JPeterman on April 16, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:27 PM

I am not stupid, we all know you need 60 votes in the senate now, it is the new required votes, in essence the DEMS do not control it.

Republicans have made it impossible to get anything through without 60 votes now, and it shows, since Republicans have been the minority in the Senate, fillibusters have doubled if not more.

They block everything now.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Don’t the Democrats control the Senate?

Wagthatdog on April 16, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Yes.

Liberals are morons.

tetriskid on April 16, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Axelrod Endorses Romney: “Will You Be Fooled, Again?”

Oddly, Robert Reich provides the data that reinforces Axelrod’s truth-by-gaffe.

Resist We Much on April 16, 2012 at 7:33 PM

I am not stupid, we all know you need 60 votes in the senate now, it is the new required votes, in essence the DEMS do not control it.

Republicans have made it impossible to get anything through without 60 votes now, and it shows, since Republicans have been the minority in the Senate, fillibusters have doubled if not more.

They block everything now.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Calling you dumb is being kind.

Go back and retake 5th grade social studies… like every Obama-fan should.

tetriskid on April 16, 2012 at 7:34 PM

7 out of ten non millionaire agree that its ok to take more money away from millionaires. Wow this is breakthrough stuff. Voting yes on something that has no direct effect. Reword that and see if they would like to do that given the fact that its going to take capital out of our economy and negatively effect jobs, and you’ll get a very different answer.

I bet we couldare get 9 out of 10 would vote yes if they were asked they wanted more money.
Thankful our nation isn’t ran on mob rule, that’s occupy wallstreet.

kage on April 16, 2012 at 7:34 PM

tetriskid on April 16, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Do you deny that republicans block everything?

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:35 PM

I am not stupid, we all know you need 60 votes in the senate now, it is the new required votes, in essence the DEMS do not control it.

Republicans have made it impossible to get anything through without 60 votes now, and it shows, since Republicans have been the minority in the Senate, fillibusters have doubled if not more.

They block everything now.

damian1967

You just proved otherwise.

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Do you deny that republicans block everything?

damian1967

Yup. Cause they don’t. How about you prove one of your claims. It would be nice for a change.

Look, we know your pattern. Once your claim gets blown up, you’ll launch another unhinged attack. You’ll keep doing this until another new thread appears.

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Republicans have made it impossible to get anything through without 60 votes now, and it shows, since Republicans have been the minority in the Senate, fillibusters have doubled if not more.

They block everything now.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:33 PM

One more time, moron. This vote is being done in the Senate where the Democrats have the 60 votes and the majority to pass it.

JPeterman on April 16, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Do you deny that republicans block everything?

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:35 PM

The hep kids call it “barack-blocking.”

Christien on April 16, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:35 PM

How so? Instead of making a one line comeback, post or say something with substance to promote why what I said is not true.

Republicans block almost everything in the senate, this is fact. Because most americans do not understand what is going on when they block everything.

The go by talking points such as your own that democrats controll the senate, not that Republicans can block it requiring 60 votes that will not happen.

Post something of substance other than your normal right wing mornin talking points.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:38 PM

SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH,

SCRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE,

Crows Nest…..ICEBERG,,,,,to F#$%^&*()*^%$%^&*( late,

Captian,we just ran into a Buffett IceBerg,

awaiting your orders!
(sarc)

canopfor on April 16, 2012 at 7:38 PM

We have to end the failed polices of the last decade. You know, the ones when you take out Obama’s Presidency averaged 5% unemployment, those failed policies.

Wagthatdog on April 16, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Susan Collins (R- Maine) voted for the Buffett Rule. Duh!

from the LA Times:

But Republicans stood firm in their opposition, calling the measure a “gimmick” that was more about blaming the wealthy than reining in government spending and deficits.

The Senate voted 51-45, mostly along party lines. The measure needed 60 votes to advance. One Republican, Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, joined Democrats in voting to advance the measure. One Democrat, Sen. Mark Pryor of Arkansas, voted against.

onlineanalyst on April 16, 2012 at 7:38 PM

The Iraq war was based on a lie. You can not change facts.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Well that did take long.

I went to a private catholic school. moron

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:27 PM

I’m embarrassed for you.

whbates on April 16, 2012 at 7:38 PM

I am not stupid, we all know you need 60 votes in the senate now, it is the new required votes, in essence the DEMS do not control it.

Republicans have made it impossible to get anything through without 60 votes now, and it shows, since Republicans have been the minority in the Senate, fillibusters have doubled if not more.

They block everything now.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Wow. Just, wow.

So they didn’t teach American Civics at the Catholic school, eh?

CycloneCDB on April 16, 2012 at 7:39 PM

They are suppose to be representative of the people, NOT the minority or people, the majority of people.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Good grief, the majority of the people would love to have all their debt forgiven and an extra cool million also. By your logic the government should just go ahead and do that.

lowandslow on April 16, 2012 at 7:39 PM

JPeterman on April 16, 2012 at 7:37 PM

um, Democrats do not have 60 votes in the senate.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:39 PM

The Iraq war was based on a lie. You can not change facts.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM

False.

spinach.chin on April 16, 2012 at 7:40 PM

How so? Instead of making a one line comeback, post or say something with substance to promote why what I said is not true.

Republicans block almost everything in the senate, this is fact. Because most americans do not understand what is going on when they block everything.

The go by talking points such as your own that democrats controll the senate, not that Republicans can block it requiring 60 votes that will not happen.

Post something of substance other than your normal right wing mornin talking points.

damian1967

YOU made the assertion they block everything. The onus is on you to prove what you said.

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Letse see, 7 out of 10 Americans want the buffett rule, however republicans do not want to do what the majority of American voters WANT.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

If you’re correct, the voters will go to the voting booth in November and vote the Republicans out on their collective asses, like they did with the Democrats after they saddled us with the Obamanal-Care. Obama will get reelected, and continue to destory the Nation.

Somehow, I don’t see that happening.

Phil-351 on April 16, 2012 at 7:41 PM

spinach.chin on April 16, 2012 at 7:40 PM

True

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:41 PM

The Iraq war was based on a lie. You can not change facts.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM

“I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. … Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons.”

- Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (D, CA) Addressing the US House of Representatives, 10 October 2002 Congressional Record, p. H7777

“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”

- President Clinton, 4 February 1998, at the Pentagon

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”

- President Clinton, 17 February 1998, following a Pentagon briefing

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”

- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), 16 December 1998, Letter posted on Pelosi’s congressional website.

“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.”

- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), 19 September 2002, Remarks to a Senate committee on that date.

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”

- Al Gore, 23 September 2002, The Commonwealth Club, San Francisco

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”

- Al Gore, 23 September 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”

- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), 27 September 2002, Johns Hopkins University

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…”

- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV; and K.K.K.), 3 October 2002, U.S. Senate debate over going to war against Iraq.

And, many, many more…

Hypocrisy Alert! Clinton, Kerry, Gore & Other Democrats Call for War Against Saddam’s Iraq

Resist We Much on April 16, 2012 at 7:41 PM

The Iraq war was based on a lie. You can not change facts.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Sure you can change facts. Facta you can take on faith , but you can’t prove them. You can only demonstrate facts, and a demonstration is NOT proof, because you can’t show the same thing will happen next time. Your statement that the Iray war was based on a lie is unfounded. You believe it is a “fact” because all your moronic friends, teachers, and professors say it is based on a lie. That is their opinion, and their opinions are based on politics, not fact. Why don’t you get it off your sunken chest and scream “bush lied and people died.” Since you are an expert what unit were you in in the war?

Old Country Boy on April 16, 2012 at 7:41 PM

oops, the should have been ‘destroy’, not destory.

Phil-351 on April 16, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Do you deny that republicans block everything?

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Uh, no. The Republicans are not “blocking everything”. You are just clueless.

Did you actually look at the vote for this bill?

Democrats voted against it as well.

Stop just listening to MSNBC and become an independent thinker.

tetriskid on April 16, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Letse see, 7 out of 10 Americans want the buffett rule, however republicans do not want to do what the majority of American voters WANT.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Let’s see, the majority of Americans never wanted Obamacare passed and want it repealed now; however, Obama and Democrats do not want to do what the majority of American voters want.

Resist We Much on April 16, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Say what you will, but Scott Brown singlehandedly stopped the DREAM Act, kiddies.

The Mega Independent on April 16, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Snowe and Brown are NAYS.

Apologetic California on April 16, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Nancy Pelosi

#BuffettRule fails in Senate-GOP once again gives away billions of dollars to millionaires at the expense of the middle class.

Harry Reid
In blocking the #BuffettRule, Senate Republicans again put millionaires ahead of the middle class

Wagthatdog on April 16, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Nice to hear from the two most unpopular congressional leaders chime in.

Apologetic California on April 16, 2012 at 7:44 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 various times

Not a good day to be a goofy lib.

Even if you went to the hoytie toytie Catholic school like you claim on scholarship, it was money wasted.

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 7:44 PM

The only argument to be made for the Buffett Rule, really, is moral based on an arbitrary definition of “fairness.”

Moral? This is about changing the perception of what Frédéric Bastiat called legalized plunder by stripping the word moral of its meaning of right and wrong and redefining into some standard of “fairness” that’s set by politicians. Of course, said standard will protect them.

The law has been used to destroy its own objective: It has been applied to annihilating the justice that it was supposed to maintain; to limiting and destroying rights which its real purpose was to respect. The law has placed the collective force at the disposal of the unscrupulous who wish, without risk, to exploit the person, liberty, and property of others. It has converted plunder into a right, in order to protect plunder. And it has converted lawful defense into a crime, in order to punish lawful defense.

INC on April 16, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Well Damian1967? We are waiting.
Prove the GOP blocks everything.

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Good for Scott Brown.

GOPRanknFile on April 16, 2012 at 7:45 PM

True

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Really? What was the lie, and who was it that lied?

spinach.chin on April 16, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Phil-351 on April 16, 2012 at 7:41 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Republicans intend to block action on virtually all Democratic-backed legislation unrelated to tax cuts and government spending in the current postelection session of Congress, officials said Tuesday, adding that the leadership has quietly collected signatures on a letter pledging to carry out the strategy.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-11-30-senate_N.htm

Here’s just a short list of some of the bills that Republicans have
blocked, or attempted to block, since Obama became President:

Tax on Companies that ship jobs overseas- A bill
that would have eliminated a tax break that companies get when they ship
jobs overseas. Republicans blocked this, allowing companies to keep the
tax break they receive when they ship jobs to other countries.

Political Ad disclosure bill- Would have required all donors to political campaigns to reveal themselves. Republicans blocked this, not once but twice.

Subpoena Power for the Committee investigating the BP Oil Spill
– Give subpoena power to the independent committee responsible for
investigating BP’s roll in the oil spill. Republicans attempted to block
this.

The Small Business Jobs Act -would give LOCAL,
community banks access to billions of dollars to loan to small
businesses. Republicans blocked this, then attempted to block it a
second time and failed.

The DREAM Act- Gives immigrant youth who were
brought here as children a path to citizenship by earning a college
degree or serving the military for 2 years. Republicans blocked this.

Repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”- Would have
repealed the law that forces gay and lesbian services members to lie
about their sexuality and gives the military the right to discharge
soldiers based on their sexuality. Republicans blocked this.

From Crooks and Liars – When John McCain led the filibuster of the
Defense Appropriations Act yesterday, he blocked far more than the DREAM
Act and repeal of DADT. Here are just a few of the other blocked
provisions, courtesy of Mother Jones.

No permanent military bases in Afghanistan.
Report identifying hybrid or electric propulsion systems and other
fuel-saving technologies for incorporation into tactical motor vehicles.
Protection of child custody arrangements for parents who are members
of the Armed Forces deployed in support of a contingency operation.
Improvements to Department of Defense domestic violence programs.
Department of Defense recognition of spouses of members of the Armed Forces.
Department of Defense recognition of children of members of the Armed Forces.
Enhancements to the Troops-to-Teachers Program.
Fiscal year 2011 increase in military basic pay.
Improving aural protection for members of the Armed Forces.
Comprehensive policy on neurocognitive assessment by the military health care system.
Authority to make excess nonlethal supplies available for domestic emergency assistance.

And those were just some of the progressive provisions. On the conservative side, there are these, and more:

Prohibition on the use of funds for the transfer or release of
individuals detained at United States Naval Station, Guantanamo Bay,
Cuba.
Prohibition on the use of funds to modify or construct facilities in
the United States to house detainees transferred from United States
Naval Station, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Prohibition on use of funds to give Miranda warnings to Al Qaeda terrorists.

And here’s the bills that Republicans had blocked when we compiled our first list;

Senator Franken’s Anti-Rape Amendment to the Defense Appropriations Bill
– Makes it so that women raped overseas while working for foreign
contractors have the right to have their case heard in an American court
instead of having their case mediated by the company they work for.
Only Republican men voted against this, but it passed.

Benefits for Homeless Veterans- Would have expanded benefits to homeless veterans and homeless veterans with children. Republicans blocked this.

Affordable Health Care For America Act- Prevents
insurance companies from discriminating against you on the basis of
“pre-existing conditions”. Requires that insurance companies spend 85
cents of every dollar that you pay on your actual health care. Limits
health insurance companies profit margins. Republicans blocked this for
months before it finally passed and have vowed to repeal it if they are
elected.

Health Care for the 9/11 First Responders who got sick from being at Ground Zero-
Would provide billions of dollars in health care to help the 9/11 First
Responders who were at Ground Zero on 9/11 and are now sick because of
it. Republicans blocked this.

The Jobs Bill- Offsets the payroll tax for 1 year
for companies that hire new employees, or people receiving unemployment
insurance. Also gives other tax incentives to companies hiring new
employees. Republicans attempted to block this.

Wall Street Reform- Puts stricter regulations on the
banks, preventing them from becoming “too big to fail”. Curbs reckless
spending practices that caused the banking crisis. Republicans attempted
to block this.

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act-
Pumped billions of dollars into state and local Governments to prevent
us from sinking into a second Great Depression. Republicans opposed this
but now want to take credit for the parts of it that we know are
successful.

Oil Spill Liability- Raises the liability on what companies can be made to pay to clean up after an oil spill. Republicans blocked this.

Immigration Reform- Republican suggested
comprehensive immigration reform until Obama supported it. Now they’re
rabidly opposed to it and even voted against their own legislation.
Republicans blocked this.

Unemployment extension bill HR-4213-
Would provide additional aid to the millions of Americans still on
unemployment who are just trying to support themselves and their
families. Republicans blocked this bill for 8 weeks before it finally
passed. Republicans blocked this for 8 weeks before it finally passed.

Fair Pay Act of 2009- Also called the Lily Ledbetter
bill. Requires that women receive equal compensation to men for doing
the same work. Republicans attempted to block this.

The next time someone tells you that the Republicans care about the
American people just give them this list of all the bill Republicans
wanted to fail.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Resist We Much on April 16, 2012 at 7:41 PM

You’re making that all up to make me cry, aren’t you?

damian2007

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VietVet_Dave on April 16, 2012 at 7:46 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:45 PM

ROFL

Bishop on April 16, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Dumian1967

1) That isn’t everything
2) You deliberately ignore or lie about why they oppsed those bills.

Your BS may go over big on DKOS, DUNG, or HuffPo, but the people here are intelligent, actually know history, and have the ability to think rationally.

Hard Right on April 16, 2012 at 7:47 PM

damian1967,
The Obama Kool Aid must taste good, I guess you believe in saved jobs and green energy as well.

rob verdi on April 16, 2012 at 7:47 PM

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