Orrin Hatch may just punch you in the mouth

posted at 10:46 am on April 14, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

Senator Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) has been under a lot of pressure from his own right flank this cycle, facing a serious primary challenge from people who think he’s too “moderate” for today’s Republican Party. FreedomWorks has dropped more than a half million dollars in attack ads trying to knock him out of the running, hoping to replace him with former state Sen. Dan Liljenquist. But at least he’s taking it with the calm, professional demeanor that you’d expect from a seasoned, veteran statesman.

Utah Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch is “doggone offended” by the activists and voters standing between him and re-election, describing them as “radical libertarians.”

“These people are not conservatives. They’re not Republicans.”

“They’re radical libertarians and I’m doggone offended by it,” he said.

“I despise these people,” Hatch added, “and I’m not the guy you come in and dump on without getting punched in the mouth.”

According to the linked report from The Daily Caller, though, these efforts may come to naught. Liljenquist is underperforming in the caucuses, and if Hatch can scrape together 60% he won’t even face a primary vote in June, instead just sailing on to the general election. And that could turn out to be a long term problem.

No matter how enthusiastic you may be about “purging the RINOs” from the system, it doesn’t always work. And when it fails, why should somebody like Hatch feel any loyalty whatsoever to the party leaders when it comes time for a close vote? Tick the guy off enough and you’ve got another Olympia Snowe on your hands. In a worst case scenario, just think of a situation where the GOP takes back enough seats to just barely regain control of the Senate this fall. And then Hatch suddenly decides he feels more like being an independent caucusing with the Democrats after getting kicked around by his own team in the primary.

But why should we worry about that? It’s not like it’s ever happened before, right?


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I hope Hatch loses, but caucusing with the Dems? Nah. It’s not like he is a liberal ala Jeffords. He is one of the most conservative Republicans on most issues (economic and social), as well as having led the fight for conservative judges.

He’s a moron/evil-genius on copyright and tech issues, but he is not going to be switching teams.

BocaJuniors on April 14, 2012 at 12:20 PM

The difference between Hatch and Snowe is the same difference between Jim DeMint and Mark Kirk.

Hatch has a 35 year career ACU rating of 89.77, and 100% in the past two years. He has rarely gone off the reservation. My problem with him is the 35 years part — term limit these phonies and send them back to the private sector to make an honest living.

Ban former congress-critters from lobbying. End careers lived in D.C. Fumigate that sh!thole.

Jaibones on April 14, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Oops.

Jaibones on April 14, 2012 at 12:21 PM

My problem with him is the 35 years part — term limit these phonies and send them back to the private sector to make an honest living.

Ban former congress-critters from lobbying. End careers lived in D.C. Fumigate that sh!thole.

Jaibones on April 14, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Amen! Preach it brother!

bridgetown on April 14, 2012 at 12:22 PM

He must really want to get that chairmanship back and it’s so close he can taste it. He’s been dreaming about leading the finance committee since the repubs took back the house in ’10. In fact, that was the main reason he gave for voting for him. Wake up Utah!

Kissmygrits on April 14, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Lisa Murkowski agrees.

portlandon on April 14, 2012 at 10:50 AM

He’s an idiot, but he’s not Princess Iceberg.

Jaibones on April 14, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Senators should be selected by the state legislatures, as the founding fathers had it. Popular elections for the job is a progressive idea, and only advances progressive goals.

Rebar on April 14, 2012 at 11:47 AM

THIS

Badger40 on April 14, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Amen! Preach it brother!

bridgetown on April 14, 2012 at 12:22 PM

I’m sayin’…

Jaibones on April 14, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Tick the guy off enough and you’ve got another Olympia Snowe on your hands.

The threat of despicable behavior on the part of incumbent pols is not about to stop us.

disa on April 14, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Ban former congress-critters from lobbying. End careers lived in D.C. Fumigate that sh!thole.

Jaibones on April 14, 2012 at 12:21 PM

The same kind of cronyism should be banned in the justice system, as well.
Judges making lawyers GALs, forcing people into ‘counseling’ services that are paid for (kickbacks? Hmmm…) etc.

Badger40 on April 14, 2012 at 12:25 PM

“These people are not conservatives. They’re not Republicans.”

Or maybe they don’t like the job you’re doing, Hatch. Ever think of that? From your comments, it doesn’t look like it:

“They’re radical libertarians and I’m doggone offended by it,” he said.

“I despise these people,” Hatch added, “and I’m not the guy you come in and dump on without getting punched in the mouth.”

Gotta love when an elected official goes on an ego trip.

jfox21 on April 14, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Orrin is probably more conservative than Santorum was, but I think it’s time for him to get to know his family.

jan3 on April 14, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Endorsed by Sarah Palin.

‘Nuff said.

victor82 on April 14, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Wasting all that money to create another Lisa Murkowski. The Tea Party philosophy is great, but many members’ attitude of burn it all down is pathological and will be self-consuming…

Oracleforhire on April 14, 2012 at 12:27 PM

My problem with him is the 35 years part — term limit these phonies and send them back to the private sector to make an honest living.

Ban former congress-critters from lobbying. End careers lived in D.C. Fumigate that sh!thole.

Jaibones on April 14, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Amen! Preach it brother!

bridgetown on April 14, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Testify!

Dr Evil on April 14, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Hey just because voters return an ineffective squish to the Senate to serve a 40th term…..

Doesn’t mean they are just lazy and don’t care about sending CAREER POLITICIANS a message……

….oh……wait……I guess it does mean they are.

And we piously laugh at voters in Dem districts when THEY return people that are in their 70′s or 80′s to Congress?

We are just as stupid as they are.

PappyD61 on April 14, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Well, y’know, he’s right. Not about punching people in the mouth. But libertarianism is not conservatism. And this is one of the dangers of the tea party. As much as I support the tea party, it has had the unfortunate effect of leading people to believe that economic issues are the only thing that matters. And they’re not.

Shump on April 14, 2012 at 10:49 AM

No the economy isn’t the only thing that matters, but that’s like saying war isn’t the only thing that matters when it’s 1941, because economically it’s 1941. No libertarianism is not conservatism, but I don’t believe they are mutually exclusive, because I consider myself a libertarian conservative. Once you realize that the culture war cannot be fought and won in Washington then you can become one too. You cannot legislate morality. You have to teach it in the living room, the theater,church, and on television.

DFCtomm on April 14, 2012 at 12:38 PM

PappyD61 on April 14, 2012 at 12:32 PM

U.S. Senator Frank Raleigh Lautenberg (1924-01-23) January 23, 1924 (age 88) Paterson, New Jersey, U.S.. Political party, Democratic.

No he’s not retiring.

Dr Evil on April 14, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Jazz the problem with your theory is that the GOP leadership is not lining up against Hatch. Most of the party leadership has been quietly behind Orrin.

LL

Lady Logician on April 14, 2012 at 12:44 PM

The U.S. Senate should be renamed “The Boomerang Club” because it’s full of career politicians. Even if you vote these “PUBLIC SERVANTS” out of office, they still comeback to D.C. in newly minted lobbyist form.

Dr Evil on April 14, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Golly first impression before reading in here I thought Hatch was parrying a thrust from his right by stating his disdain for the plundering, culture-destroying Socialist Democrats. Huh. Should have known. He doesn’t realize that perhaps doing that might have the same effect with fence-sitters in a GOP primary. Instead he lashes out at who he perceives to be the true enemies — people with common sense. Net effect might be minus votes. But Hatch is another one afflicted with a severe and chronic case of Senatoritis. This lash-out is sadly reminiscent of Arlen Specter’s recent reanimation promoting his book, Life Among The People Who Aren’t Me. With such a condition — resulting from too many years in the intellectually low-lying swamps of DC — you can’t expect Hatch to think straight. It’s like a permanent state of transient ischemic attack (i.e., perpetual mini-stroke.) It’d be worth the loss in seniority to get him out.

curved space on April 14, 2012 at 12:51 PM

I wish he despised leftists as much as he does his ideological cousins.

weew on April 14, 2012 at 12:57 PM

When you spend 10 years in the sludge pit of the Potomac, you begin to forget what a rose smells like.

When you spend 20 years in the sludge pit of the Potomac, you begin to forget what a rose looks like.

When you spend 30 years in the sludge pit of the Potomac, you begin to forget roses even exist.

Time for Orrin Hatch to stop and smell the roses.

John Hitchcock on April 14, 2012 at 1:01 PM

The main problem with Hatch is that he defers to Presidents regarding their nominees to important things like the Supreme Court. If you took out his confirmation votes, I would not have a significant problem with him.

So in this particular case it might be better to concentrate on getting the appointment power out of Obama’s hands.

BTW, if I really thought there was even the tiniest chance Hatch would caucus with the Democrats, I’d say we should be doing everything in our power to defeat him, not sniveling about needing to placate him so he won’t do it.

fadetogray on April 14, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Name calling and threats of violence, he sounds like a democrat to me, not unlike Al Sharpton.

dunce on April 14, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Gotta disagree with the premise here, the idea that folk who no longer represent their voters reliably should be left alone out of fear they might turn on one…I have to ask, what is the point of electing anyone if they do not do what they are elected to do…The Snowe comparison is apt…she stopped being a republican long ago and is only quiet now because she is in the minority and her vote simply does not count.

JIMV on April 14, 2012 at 1:11 PM

When you spend 10 years in the sludge pit of the Potomac, you begin to forget what a rose smells like.

When you spend 20 years in the sludge pit of the Potomac, you begin to forget what a rose looks like.

When you spend 30 years in the sludge pit of the Potomac, you begin to forget roses even exist.

Time for Orrin Hatch to stop and smell the roses.

John Hitchcock on April 14, 2012 at 1:01 PM

When you spend 40 years in the sludge pit of the Potomac, you become rose fertilizer.

TugboatPhil on April 14, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Funny how these RINOs always seem to take on the language of the left when they’re challenged by the Teaparty organizations. I remember Hatch during the Clinton impeachment episode. He was oh so conciliatory. He was so mushy in fact, that it made one wonder if the Dems had a picture of him in bed with a dead girl or a live boy.

And when it fails, why should somebody like Hatch feel any loyalty whatsoever to the party leaders when it comes time for a close vote?

THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE PRIMARY CHALLENGE! You can NEVER really count on these guys during the close votes!

Tomolena1 on April 14, 2012 at 1:14 PM


No matter how enthusiastic you may be about “purging the RINOs” from the system, it doesn’t always work. And when it fails, why should somebody like Hatch feel any loyalty whatsoever to the party leaders when it comes time for a close vote? Tick the guy off enough and you’ve got another Olympia Snowe on your hands. In a worst case scenario, just think of a situation where the GOP takes back enough seats to just barely regain control of the Senate this fall. And then Hatch suddenly decides he feels more like being an independent caucusing with the Democrats after getting kicked around by his own team in the primary.

Now, I am not the smartest guy in the world- but doesn’t this reasoning just make for subpar elected officials? Why even have elections if you are afraid of the consequences? I guess we should all just be happy for the table scraps that are thrown our way every couple of years…. I suppose it is much better to have people agree with your values 45% of the time as to oppose to 30% of the time.

OliverB on April 14, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Funny how these RINOs always seem to take on the language of the left when they’re challenged by the Teaparty organizations.
Tomolena1 on April 14, 2012 at 1:14 PM

that’s also because the tea party overreaches sometimes (see the Miller, O’Donnel, Angle cases) and when the times comes, they fail to deliver…might be Hatch’s case too…

jimver on April 14, 2012 at 1:32 PM

that’s also because the tea party overreaches sometimes (see the Miller, O’Donnel, Angle cases) and when the times comes, they fail to deliver…might be Hatch’s case too…

jimver on April 14, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Not sure I agree. Was challenging Arlen Spectre “overreach?” The repubs NEVER had a majority, even when they had a majority. If you can’t count on the RINOs in any of the tough votes, then what’s the use of having them. So you lose a seat here and there to the Dems. I’t worth it if you can bring your people together on your core issues. We’ll see.

Tomolena1 on April 14, 2012 at 1:38 PM

So voters are to be afraid of their elected leaders?

SouthernGent on April 14, 2012 at 1:50 PM

that’s also because the tea party overreaches sometimes (see the Miller, O’Donnel, Angle cases) and when the times comes, they fail to deliver…might be Hatch’s case too…

jimver on April 14, 2012 at 1:32 PM

The media is screeching about how the GOP has gone radical. Sen Hatch is talking about punching people. Every GOP official is spouting conservative ideals, or at least paying them lip service, but the tea party can’t deliver? O’Donnel and Angle weren’t great candidates but they served their purpose and if you can’t see that then you’re blind.

DFCtomm on April 14, 2012 at 1:50 PM

And then Hatch suddenly decides he feels more like being an independent caucusing with the Democrats after getting kicked around by his own team in the primary.

Hatch will do as he is told. All of this is moot.

Sammy316 on April 14, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Punch in the mouth?
Me thinks grandpa is too enamored of his capabilities as a pugilist and otherwise.
Cacaus with the Rats? Solution ? Kick granpas azz out now!
Old fool has had enough of the feed at the public trough as have 90% of the azz hats in DC.
Kick em to the curb they are utter failures, panderers, pimps and Hos, very few statesmen amoung em.
Term Limit the bastigages

ConcealedKerry on April 14, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Utah send gramps home he is a washed up old has been as are most of the problems in DC.
The 60′s gang of fools need to retire, STFU, and live out the rest of their lives secure in the knowledge they are the first generation to have left a bigger mess than they inherited!

ConcealedKerry on April 14, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Now, I am not the smartest guy in the world- but doesn’t this reasoning just make for subpar elected officials? Why even have elections if you are afraid of the consequences? I guess we should all just be happy for the table scraps that are thrown our way every couple of years…. I suppose it is much better to have people agree with your values 45% of the time as to oppose to 30% of the time.

OliverB on April 14, 2012 at 1:31 PM

You got that right, OliverB. Apparently we’re supposed to accept unacceptable pols because otherwise we might hurt their feelings and they’ll threaten retribution. Let’s just negotiate with political terrorists and give them what they want. After all, the public owes them reelection.

obladioblada on April 14, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Hatch added, “and I’m not the guy you come in and dump on without getting punched in the mouth.”

Right, unless you are a Democrat, then it’s “go along & Get along” for Orrin.

RJL on April 14, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Every GOP official is spouting conservative ideals, or at least paying them lip service, but the tea party can’t deliver? O’Donnel and Angle weren’t great candidates but they served their purpose and if you can’t see that then you’re blind.

DFCtomm on April 14, 2012 at 1:50 PM

can you read??? rhetorical question obviously…I did say in my comment ‘the tea party overreaches SOMETIMES’, ok?? and I mentioned a set of examples, so I didn’t say that they ‘fail to deliver’ in general or all the time….so, take your chill pill…as for ‘they served their purposes’, that sounds too much like post-factum rationalization, so yeah, not buying it….more honest is to admit that they over-reached in those cases and they lost, nothing wrong with that…they can learn from their mistakes, you mistakes…

jimver on April 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM

It is ridiculous to compare Hatch to the likes of Jeffords or Specter, or even Murkowski. He’s a solid conservative and strong life-long Republican. He doesn’t even consider those challenging him to be real Republicans – that’s what ticks him off.

And there is no reason to challenge a guy with his conservative record. If the Tea Party is a serious force to be reckoned with, they should show they can beat liberal Democratic incumbents in purple states. Because if they can’t do that, they are just a fringe group, a minority in the GOP who can demonstrate meaningless strength in dark red states.

Notice I say, “they.” I was in on the Tea Party movement, attended rallies in my area, followed and supported and talked up the movement. But these private groups that hijacked the name and claim to speak for the movement – TPX, TPP, TPA, FW – were NOT elected by any grassroots, they appointed themselves and claimed to speak for the movement. They are not, they are putting their own agenda forward, NOT the Tea Party’s, and they stick their noses into areas they have no expertise or knowledge about, and where no Tea Party rally or meeting discussed.

These people are the Ben Crumps and Al Sharptons of the right – they are out to make a buck for themselves and grab all the power they can. If the Tea Party doesn’t find a way to rein in these money-grubbing usurpers, it’s never going to regain its strength OR popularity.

Adjoran on April 14, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Throw the entire Congress out, with maybe 7 exceptions, at best.

Do the same with the Senate.

The big problem is that they are “us”.

The land has gone to Hades.

Schadenfreude on April 14, 2012 at 3:01 PM

can you read??? rhetorical question obviously…I did say in my comment ‘the tea party overreaches SOMETIMES’, ok?? and I mentioned a set of examples, so I didn’t say that they ‘fail to deliver’ in general or all the time….so, take your chill pill…as for ‘they served their purposes’, that sounds too much like post-factum rationalization, so yeah, not buying it….more honest is to admit that they over-reached in those cases and they lost, nothing wrong with that…they can learn from their mistakes, you mistakes…

jimver on April 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM

How do you think you get career politicians to spout conservative talking points? You scare them, and losing a primary to a nut like O’Donnel is how you generate that fear. I think the craziness of the nominee’s was actually a plus in that regard. They served their purpose. Would it have been nice to have had an actually viable candidate? Sure but you work with what you get.

DFCtomm on April 14, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Jazz Shaw, seeking excuses to sell out. Typical “pundit”. Worthless perspective for actually accomplishing change.

rcl on April 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

When are we going to do a great service to this country and pass a term limit law????

F_This on April 14, 2012 at 3:17 PM

How was Christine O’Donnel a “nut”? It was liberals accusing her of being a witch that was nutty. She should have ignored it or made fun of it rather than being defensive about it, but I’d like to hear what makes her a nut. Even if you don’t like her, I don’t think she’s a nut.

Dr. Tesla on April 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM

I think this columnist is using some soft fearmongering here….Hatch may just go independent on us if Republican voters don’t fall in line.

Dr. Tesla on April 14, 2012 at 3:31 PM

These people are the Ben Crumps and Al Sharptons of the right – they are out to make a buck for themselves and grab all the power they can. If the Tea Party doesn’t find a way to rein in these money-grubbing usurpers, it’s never going to regain its strength OR popularity.

Adjoran on April 14, 2012 at 2:53 PM

It won’t figure out a way to rein them in, and it won’t regain its strength or popularity. Hopefully, the philosophy that drove the movement (fiscal responsibility) has seeped into the electorate enough to continue to have a meaningful effect.

All movements get hijacked by the Al Sharpton types. That is one of the things that distinguishes the Republicans from the Democrats. When conservative movements go to crap, Republicans marginalize and generally ignore them. When liberal movements get hijacked by scum (labor, environmentalism and civil rights, for instance), the Democrats make them even more powerful within the Party.

fadetogray on April 14, 2012 at 3:37 PM

How do you think you get career politicians to spout conservative talking points? You scare them, and losing a primary to a nut like O’Donnel is how you generate that fear. I think the craziness of the nominee’s was actually a plus in that regard. They served their purpose. Would it have been nice to have had an actually viable candidate? Sure but you work with what you get.

DFCtomm on April 14, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Exactly! This ain’t no disco, this ain’t no party, this ain’t no foolin around.

Dr Evil on April 14, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Unlike mosr people here, I’ve actually met Orrin Hatch on a few occasions, when I lived in Utah and was active in GOP politics.

The guy is a scumbag.

Norwegian on April 14, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Hatch only loves and respects the Constitution a tad more than you average Dem.

CW on April 14, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Such an asinine pie-eyed supposition in that write-up that Jazz Shaw must be bucking for Allahpundit’s job.
The whole point is that Hatch, Snowe et al don’t show “party loyalty” as is. Their ‘cross the aisle handshakes’ have screwed the GOP (and this nation) repeatedly, which is why they have to go / be driven out of the GOP. If their districts or open-primary states protect their stupidity, that’s another issue altogether and a worse political problem for the nation as a whole.
But the McCain / Graham / Snowe / bastard RINOs need to be removed, one way or another. Primary challenges, encouraged to retire, term limits, somehow. They’re screwing up everything they touch, particularly the Senate RINOs and their garbage on the Judiciary committee. “Justice” Kagan as worst / latest example.

rayra on April 14, 2012 at 4:12 PM

The guy is a scumbag.

Norwegian on April 14, 2012 at 3:57 PM

There are 535 stories like that one in the Naked City. People who run for congress have a congenital defect…they aren’t like us. I’ve been saying forever — the most conservative Senator has more in common with Dick Durbin than he has with me.

Politician is a lower form of life.

Jaibones on April 14, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Hatch is the jackass who recommended Ruth “Darth Vader” Ginsberg to Clinton for an excellent SCOTUS nominee. You suck Orrin!

MCGIRV on April 14, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Libertarians are scumbags.

John the Libertarian on April 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM

When you spend 10 years in the sludge pit of the Potomac, you begin to forget what a rose smells like.

When you spend 20 years in the sludge pit of the Potomac, you begin to forget what a rose looks like.

When you spend 30 years in the sludge pit of the Potomac, you begin to forget roses even exist.

Time for Orrin Hatch to stop and smell the roses.

John Hitchcock on April 14, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Yep.

Bmore on April 14, 2012 at 4:40 PM

In all fairness, Libertarians are very annoying and dangerous people. Look no further for examples than Paulians.

Egfrow on April 14, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Libertarians are scumbags.

John the Libertarian on April 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM

I don’t know about that but, Libermeanians can be though.

Bmore on April 14, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Dang, I thought Jazz would be like a comic book character, not Ed’s brother.

Rusty Allen on April 14, 2012 at 4:42 PM

There’s nothing like a sense of entitlement (“It’s my seat, how dare you try to vote me out!”)

RebeccaH on April 14, 2012 at 4:48 PM

“I despise these people,” Hatch added

Hatch despises conservatives. No surprise there.

jaime on April 14, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Libertarians are scumbags.

John the Libertarian on April 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Sounds like someone has a self-image problem…

ebrown2 on April 14, 2012 at 5:12 PM

There are about 42 U.S. Senators that are of Federal retirement age 65 or older. That makes them born 1947 or earlier. There are 100 Senators – 42 is nearly half of them, that should be shuffling off to play shuffle board, and leave the country in Peace not Pieces.

We have 88 year olds serving in the U.S. Senate, they were born in the 1920s that means they came of age during WWII and FDR’s Big Government Era 1940s. The Senators that are 70s somethings were born in the 1930s, they came of age during the Cold War, the Red threat, the Soviet Union. The 60 somethings born in the 1940s, the boomers came of age in the 60s….The 60s, the decade that pretty much skewed the country with it’s psudeo counter culture, that was nothing more than warmed over Marxist clap trap. (tune in, turn on, and tune out) Today they call themselves progressives. Allen West calls them communist. They say Tomato, he says Tomhato.

Orrin Hatch has many issues, one glaring large one is the Gender Gap.

On a side note this is the year 2012 and we are supposed accept this passes for the flying car we have been waiting for.

I was expecting something a little more style a little more Jetson esk.

Dr Evil on April 14, 2012 at 5:13 PM

One problem: You are conflating a tea party led movement to remove him with party leadership. Not the same people.

American Elephant on April 14, 2012 at 5:22 PM

If he’s the kind of guy to caucus with the opposition out of pique, he doesn’t belong in the Republican ranks to begin with.

JohnTant on April 14, 2012 at 5:37 PM

When I said that conservatives have a loser’s mentality, this is exactly what I’m talking about:

No matter how enthusiastic you may be about “purging the RINOs” from the system, it doesn’t always work. And when it fails, why should somebody like Hatch feel any loyalty whatsoever to the party leaders when it comes time for a close vote? Tick the guy off enough and you’ve got another Olympia Snowe on your hands. In a worst case scenario, just think of a situation where the GOP takes back enough seats to just barely regain control of the Senate this fall. And then Hatch suddenly decides he feels more like being an independent caucusing with the Democrats after getting kicked around by his own team in the primary.

Instead of having a serious, action-oriented discussion about how to ensure that we kick the RINO bstrds out next time, we get ‘s-s-s-see, that’s why you shouldn’t make ‘em mad. They m-m-might hurt us.’

I had a short discussion with a guy from Heritage about primarying Boner. He said we shouldn’t do that, because we might get worse. I guess the above quote sums up his fears.

This is why we continue to get our asses handed to us year in and year out, politically speaking. We, as a group, are rank amateurs.

avgjo on April 14, 2012 at 5:38 PM

I think we should stop castigating the so-called Republican establishment. They are not the problem…Our President, the democrat controlled Senate, and their media propagandists are the problems…

Nozzle on April 14, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Good grief. Baseline budgeting, anybody???

Nom de Boom on April 14, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Utah-

Punch his ego and a$$ out of office.

signed, a Conservative Libertarian.

bazil9 on April 14, 2012 at 5:45 PM

John, get your mouth guard on.

bazil9 on April 14, 2012 at 5:46 PM

The remark about “radical libertarians” should be damaging, but Hatch is on course to ride his Romney endorsement to more than 60% at the state convention.

theperfecteconomist on April 14, 2012 at 5:52 PM

1. Eliminate all Congressional pensions.
2. Return the House to a part-time legislature.
3. Return the Senate to the house of the state governments.

That would fix a lot of the problems we face as a nation.

crosspatch on April 14, 2012 at 11:52 AM

All of your stated solutions are considered far, far right by the establishment of both parties, and likely by a majority of the electorate. Remember Romney’s reaction to the part-time legislature proposal advanced by Perry?

Let’s be honest here: this is about Romney’s difficulty earning the nomination. Out of anger or frustration or whatever, you’ve bought into the propaganda that the voters who didn’t support Romney did so out of “true conservatism” i.e. social conservatism, while the fiscal conservatives flocked to Romney. That’s just not borne out by the polls. After South Carolina, Romney virtually split the social conservative vote with Santorum.

Further, it isn’t the social conservative wing of the party agitating against the establishment nearly so much as it is the Tea Party activists you deride as purists. And yet, paradoxically, many of them managed to put aside their supposed purism for the sake of Romney’s electability, such as it is.

Basically, what I’m saying is your analysis is all mixed up.

Nom de Boom on April 14, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Libertarians are scumbags.

John the Libertarian on April 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Why would you say that? Most Librarians I’ve have met were fine people—sometimes a little geeky but nice.

arnold ziffel on April 14, 2012 at 5:58 PM

that’s also because the tea party overreaches sometimes (see the Miller, O’Donnel, Angle cases) and when the times comes, they fail to deliver…might be Hatch’s case too…

jimver on April 14, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Just thought I’d mention the fact that in all 3 cases, it was the R establishment who got all butthurt by a Tea Party candidate winning the primary and decided to either vote for the other party (O’Donnell and Angle) or go third party (Miller). The establishment has shown time and again that it has far less loyalty to the Republican party than the Tea Party, even though it is constantly jabbering about Tea Party disloyalty. Ironic, isn’t it?

Nom de Boom on April 14, 2012 at 6:06 PM

“I suppose I would list New York Governor George Pataki, New Jersey Governor Christine Todd Whitman and Gerald Ford”

I read the article about Jazz Shaw that somebody linked to above and that’s his answer to a question about the 3 politicians that inspired him the most. I think I understand why people think he might be a RINO? I would have thought a RINO would have a better list than that. Heh.

Dr. Tesla on April 14, 2012 at 6:06 PM

barry goldwater set the standard for conservatism before the social cons took over and claimed they held the only ‘ conservative ‘ credentials in the republican party. he gave ronald reagan that push that led to his governorship by featuring him prominently in his campaign. he never uttered the word libertarian while in office or on the campaign trail- it only came out after he retired that he leaned that way.

for a long time he suggested that the radical wing of the republican party was not the libertarians but the religious right and he was not wrong. now they seem to want to tarnish and paint the republicans who are libertarian-esque- such as tea partiers or constitutional conservatives- as not real republicans. so much for your big tent.

the only reason i came away from the dark side of the demoncrats was via the influence of the likes of barry goldwater so i’d pretty much take a libertarian like him over a hatch or mcpain or romney.just because the social cons would be thrilled to run libertarians off their self professed reservation doesn’t mean that even their movement wasn’t influenced by the likes of goldwater who was a conservative whether you and your pastor like it or not. and he wasn’t radical as much as closer to the vision of the founders than most of the party machine republi-cants.

mittens on April 14, 2012 at 6:17 PM

John, get your mouth guard on.

bazil9 on April 14, 2012 at 5:46 PM

A bit slow on the uptake since I’m reading multiple blog sites, but once I caught on, I got a real laugh out of it.

Funny thing is, I feature Orrin Hatch every Christmas season during my “Lights of the Season” series. A Mormon Senator from Utah writes a Jewish Passover song that is put to music by a Jewish Contemporary Christian music producer and is sung by a Syrian woman from Indiana with back-up vocals by Jewish Children and the Mormon Senator. Very enjoyable song.

But yeah, he does need to stop and smell the roses.

John Hitchcock on April 14, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Libertarians/Consistent Conservatives need to keep running with 100% fidelity to the Constitution, until we win.

Because when we actually wins, that means we’ve converted people over to our philosophy and changed the people in that area and we’ve ACTUALLY WON SOMETHING.

When you continually nominate MODERATES you don’t actually WIN anything, even when you WIN an election.

fatlibertarianinokc on April 14, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Orren Hatch is the reason that Sotomayor and Ruth Bader Ginsberg are siting on the Supreme Court. If he were less concerned about being a bi-partisan member of the “Singing Senators” and more concerned with defending the Constitution, I would like him a lot more.

Time for him to go home.

Spots the Dog on April 14, 2012 at 7:10 PM

I would never want to be in a foxhole with Jazz.

besser tot als rot on April 14, 2012 at 7:14 PM

The fact that any of them think it is their inalienable sear is just cause for tossing – regardless of all the good they have done for their people. Hatch must go.

AH_C on April 14, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Orrin Hatch is not a RINO. He’s part of Reagan Coalition, while he may not be as conservative as we would like, hopefully this primary would move him in that direction. Plus Gov.Palin has vouched for him, so that’s enough for him. By the way, I am not going believe, FreedomWorks,which is headed by Dick Armey is suddenly acting out of interest of conservatism. This Dan guy looks like an establishment plant.

promachus on April 14, 2012 at 7:20 PM

He is one of the most conservative Republicans on most issues (economic and social), as well as having led the fight for conservative judges.

He’s a moron/evil-genius on copyright and tech issues, but he is not going to be switching teams.

BocaJuniors on April 14, 2012 at 12:20 PM

That’s why it’s insane to attack Hatch- you could have someone slightly better but just as easily far worse.

It’s as if the Tea Party is doggedly pursuing a strategy of removing Senators with any kind of serious legislative record- because that, of course, requires a history of compromise. It’s hard to imagine how a Senate filled with empty Tea Party windbags and no history of success in life will effectively govern this country.

bayam on April 14, 2012 at 7:23 PM

“They’re radical libertarians and I’m doggone offended by it,” he said.

Okay, This time The Onion has gone too far.

KrebsCyclist on April 14, 2012 at 7:34 PM

So. Does he hate Mike Lee?

besser tot als rot on April 14, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Is Mike Lee a Republican, Orrin?

besser tot als rot on April 14, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Is Mike Lee a conservative?

besser tot als rot on April 14, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Just back from spending the WHOLE DAY at the Salt Lake County (UT) convention. Yes, Orrin was there and for someone who “despises” the people running against him, boy did he pander his behind off to them! His speech sounded more like a speech for Tea Party president! That is one of the reasons why he is being challenged. His lifetime rating being so much lower than his rating for the last two year tells you just how hard to the right he has turned in order to save his bacon.

This race is going to primary next month. And the primary race is going to be uglier than Obama V. Romney. I garontee it!

LL

Lady Logician on April 14, 2012 at 7:44 PM

It’s hard to imagine how a Senate filled with empty Tea Party windbags and no history of success in life will effectively govern this country.

bayam on April 14, 2012 at 7:23 PM

I would think that someone who was able to run, fund and successfully complete a campaign would have had to have had some success in life.

But, that’s just me.

Yeah, I’d much rather have squishy progressive windbags with intergalactic egos and the intense desire to change everyones’ diapers from cradle to grave. They’ve done so well for us.

Nothing says representative better than someone who constantly calls you names and then charges you for the privledge of accepting the abuse.

The best government, governs least.

Besides, Tea Party affiliated politicians have only been in office a little over a year. Don’t you think it takes a little longer than that to remake the progressive wheel? They’ve been at it for almost 100 years.

98ZJUSMC on April 14, 2012 at 8:04 PM

I would never want to be in a foxhole with Jazz.

besser tot als rot on April 14, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Probably wouldn’t even have to. He would have surrendered prior to the fight.

arnold ziffel on April 14, 2012 at 8:33 PM

I read the article about Jazz Shaw that somebody linked to above and that’s his answer to a question about the 3 politicians that inspired him the most. I think I understand why people think he might be a RINO? I would have thought a RINO would have a better list than that. Heh.

Dr. Tesla on April 14, 2012 at 6:06 PM

When I think about people who have inspired me “Politicians” aren’t in my top 10 vocations of people who have inspired me.

Dr Evil on April 14, 2012 at 8:54 PM

That’s why it’s insane to attack Hatch- you could have someone slightly better but just as easily far worse.

It’s as if the Tea Party is doggedly pursuing a strategy of removing Senators with any kind of serious legislative record- because that, of course, requires a history of compromise. It’s hard to imagine how a Senate filled with empty Tea Party windbags and no history of success in life will effectively govern this country.

bayam on April 14, 2012 at 7:23 PM

We get it – Liberals fear the TEA party, and apparently so does Orrin Hatch. It’s good to fear something, it let’s you know you are still alive, and can feel something.

Dr Evil on April 14, 2012 at 8:57 PM

I would never want to be in a foxhole with Jazz.

besser tot als rot on April 14, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Probably wouldn’t even have to. He would have surrendered prior to the fight.

arnold ziffel on April 14, 2012 at 8:33 PM

I am thinking in New York republican circles Jazz is considered leaning too far to the right.

Dr Evil on April 14, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Mr. Hatch…

… the fact that this Country is getting close to $16 Trillion dollars in debt, and apart from being partially responsible for that, you have more disdain for the voter of this Country than an out of control President and the federal bureaucracies speaks volumes.

I know it’s going to suck to start having to carry money again, pay for your own gas, and get felt up by a TSA agent…

… I can’t wait until you try to start your own business.

Seven Percent Solution on April 14, 2012 at 9:13 PM

I am thinking in New York republican circles Jazz is considered leaning too far to the right.

Dr Evil on April 14, 2012 at 8:58 PM

lol. One of them downright toofless rednecks.

arnold ziffel on April 14, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Ya know, I’d feel more sorry for Hatch if he’d ever openly said stuff like that about the detestable Democrats.

Midas on April 14, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Orrin Hatch will hold Romney’s Progressive feet to the fire…or is it the other way around? /snark

Ceteris Paribus on April 15, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Orrin Hatch is not Jim Jeffords, but he, like so many others, has been entrenched in Washington too long and is part of the problem, not part of the solution. New blood is definitely called for. The position of Senator, after all, is not supposed to be a lifetime sinecure.

(I questioned Hatch’s judgement years ago when he said Ted Kennedy was his “best friend” in the Senate. The boozing, womanizing Liberal Lion of Chappaquiddick and the Mormon. Doesn’t compute.)

SukieTawdry on April 15, 2012 at 2:46 PM

The Tea Partiers are the Republicans. The Republicans were given a bad name not because of the TParty, but because of the country club neocon big govt war on drugs types.

anotherJoe on April 15, 2012 at 3:11 PM

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