Gingrich to the NRA: It’s time to make the right to bear arms a universal human right at the UN

posted at 8:08 pm on April 13, 2012 by Allahpundit

In which Newt serves up meat so red it’s still mooing. I’m all for this idea, by the way — not because the treaty has a prayer of passing at the dictator hangout at Turtle Bay but because it’d be fascinating to see how many votes it got even from western nations. Anyone imagine the UK, say, signing onto some international version of the Second Amendment? Even if it passed, where else except the UK and a few other rule-of-law western countries would the right actually be observed? It’d be a parchment guarantee, as so many human rights are. Beyond that, here’s a thought experiment for Newt: If we could wave a magic wand and grant the disenfranchised of the Earth small arms with which to resist their oppressors, things would improve dramatically — after a lot of blood spilled — in places like Iran and North Korea. But what about, say, Saudi Arabia? Are we looking at a good outcome if the Wahhabists there were suddenly armed to the teeth? The right to bear arms is the ultimate guarantor of democracy. Make sure you support democracy in all instances before demanding it universally.

That’s the first clip. The second is a snippet of Romney’s obligatory reminder to the audience of The One’s comment to Medvedev about being more “flexible” in his second term. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty, especially for a moderate who’s looking to get elected by appealing to conservatives, but I’m pretty sure Captain Flexibility will keep a polite distance from people’s guns should he win in November. What would he achieve by trying to get a gun-control measure passed? Purple-state Democrats would run screaming from him, at which the point the heads of the DSCC and DCCC would want a word with him about being “unhelpful.” The Senate’s likely to be redder next year than it is this year too, so good luck breaking a filibuster on a new gun-grabbing statute. Exit quotation from NRO’s Charles Cooke: “One of the things that gives me heart about the future of liberty in America is how comprehensively we’ve won the gun debate since 1990.”


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This is why I freakin love Newt! He charges straight in to the devils camp man and takes no prisoners!
JellyToast on April 13, 2012 at 9:01 PM

He was addressing the NRA.

whatcat on April 13, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Yeah, you would think that way. Right-wingers just want guns ’cause we’re homicidal maniacs.

Bitter Clinger on April 13, 2012 at 9:26 PM

nailed it. you guys are medieval not only about your religion but about your guns too, much like your middle eastern counterparts. EVOLVE ALREADY!

DBear on April 13, 2012 at 9:30 PM

You remind me of the guy on The Big Bang Theory who doesn’t understand sarcasm.

Bitter Clinger on April 13, 2012 at 9:35 PM

DBear on April 13, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Here’s some homework for you. Look at FBI violent crime stats, and compare the rates for those crimes From about 1993 to today.

Hint: violent crime rates are far lower today than they were in the mid 90s and continue to decline. this is the same period in which most states passed conceal carry laws and made it easier for citizens to arm themselves. Correlation is not causation, but it’s clear that the loosening of restrictions on firearms didn’t cause a “yeehaw” (God I hate that stupid term) situation.

You can cite anecdote all you want, but numbers are what matter. However, I have two anecdotes for you. I scared off a would-be rapist just by pulling a gun out of my purse. He turned around and ran at the first glimpse of it. My 64 year old neighbor killed a home invader with her handgun.

Apparently you hate women, because you would sooner see us raped and murdered. Just more of the Democrat war on mothers.

juliesa on April 13, 2012 at 9:42 PM

The Left will use “Trayvon” to push for further gun restrictions. Bank on it.

SouthernGent on April 13, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Yep they are already talking about repealing the “castle doctrine” in FL because of this.

Thankfully in VA we have the VCDL and 400 years of common law so we managed to kill the castle doctrine law in the general assembly.

F15Mech on April 13, 2012 at 9:44 PM

What countries would recognize it? Any that abut China or Russia for starters.

roy_batty on April 13, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Pretty smart on Newt’s part…

… Drops a huge bomb that will leave the Left breathless.

No doubt they will comment, and he will be invited on to respond…

… Any press is good press at this stage of the game for him.

Hang in there Newt…!

:)

Seven Percent Solution on April 13, 2012 at 9:46 PM

You remind me of the guy on The Big Bang Theory who doesn’t understand sarcasm.

Bitter Clinger on April 13, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Poor, poor little bear understands something?

Bmore on April 13, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Poor, poor little bear understands something?

Bmore on April 13, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Stupidity and ignorance.

Bitter Clinger on April 13, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Fast and Furious Scandal Launched Into 2012 Presidential Election by Mitt Romney
by Katie Pavlich
TownHall

“GOP Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney applauded House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa and Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley for their efforts to investigate the Obama Justice Department’s lethal Operation Fast and Furious scandal today during a speech at the NRA Annual Meeting Leadership Forum in St. Louis. This is the first time any GOP presidential candidate has mentioned the Fast and Furious scandal by name in a public event speech, officially bringing the scandal into the 2012 general election with President Barack Obama. Romney also embraced the NRA’s calls for Attorney General Eric Holder to resign or be fired for his role in Fast and Furious.”

keep hitting them !!

galtani on April 13, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Gingrich: It’s time to make the right to bear arms a universal human right at the UN

AP:The right to bear arms is the ultimate guarantor of democracy. Make sure you support democracy in all instances before demanding it universally.

Even though I almost always disagree with AP to some extent on his every utterance, at least I usually have some clue what he’s on about. Here, though, I really am not sure at all. Just what does democracy have to do with a “universal” right? North Korean peons have no universal human rights because they don’t live under a democracy? Huh?

Knott Buyinit on April 13, 2012 at 10:01 PM

I guess this is Newt’s plan to gain attention on the cheap: Dream up half-baked, pipe dream ideas on explosive issues and toss them into the public square.

RadClown on April 13, 2012 at 10:04 PM

I am a huge 2nd amendment guy but I really think that some of our population would actually turn into mayhem if people were all armed.

Some societies are just rabid killers look at cities with the strictest gun laws, they have the highest gun crime rates.
It is the demographic make up that is the issue.

Perhaps there should be a genetic test.

esnap on April 13, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Perry and one or two other guys were the only candidates who opposed ethanol subsidies. And Perry did terrible in Iowa.

juliesa on April 13, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Santorum, Bachmann and Ron Paul also opposed them.

JPeterman on April 13, 2012 at 9:11 PM

According to the Washington Examiner, Santorum supported ethanol subsidies:

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/iowa-ethanol-industry-celebrates-romney-santorum/291411

NbyNW on April 13, 2012 at 10:40 PM

The trouble is today, even with a legitimate gun, if you try to defend yourself in some inner city against some marauding thug, you just could be facing a second degree murder charge.

And if you don’t defend yourself, you just could be dead,

MaiDee on April 13, 2012 at 10:56 PM

because it is well documented that there is less crime when law-abiding people are routinely armed. Why do you want more crime?

alwaysfiredup on April 13, 2012 at 9:24 PM

lol really? Show me the statistics and don’t use US national statistics… the US is a traditionally violent culture. Even I own a gun in the US but I would not think about owning a gun for anything other than hunting in the other countries I have lived.

lexhamfox on April 13, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Listening to this great speech from Newt gave me an idea:

How about Ambassador to the United Nations Newt Gingrich?

As I recall JFK handed this job off to one of his pesky rivals/critics, Adlai Stevenson; but Stevenson did a great job. Newt would bring rage and heartache to the crooks at the UN every day with stuff like this — awesome. They might even pull up stakes & take off for Geneva or some place.

Meanwhile Newt can give a speech a day & Callista will be within walking distance of Tiffany’s NY..

It’s a win-win!

str8tface on April 13, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Once again, Newt disappoints by implying that the UN has any value to the US – or any contribution to liberty and well-being of anyone except its employees and Jew-hating members.

disa on April 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Thank you for posting to my surprise, Allahpundit, Newt’s speech today. For any interested Hot Air readers, I highly recommend that you watch the former Speaker’s speech to the NRA last year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aMNzrPovu8
I humbly submit that it is the best speech about American history given by any presidential candidate in this cycle.

James Thomas on April 13, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Ok thanks. Good heavens, the stupid burnnnssss. Should I feel guilty for insulting someone with mental challenges?

juliesa on April 13, 2012 at 9:15 PM

No more than you should laugh at someone so drunk he’s talking to a street lamp. In both cases, the person has willingly gone and made a laughingstock of themselves.

MelonCollie on April 13, 2012 at 11:57 PM

lol really? Show me the statistics and don’t use US national statistics… the US is a traditionally violent culture. Even I own a gun in the US but I would not think about owning a gun for anything other than hunting in the other countries I have lived.

lexhamfox on April 13, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Think about it for just a moment and then tell me how stupid you sound.

Hint apples and oranges.

F15Mech on April 14, 2012 at 12:03 AM

lol really? Show me the statistics and don’t use US national statistics… the US is a traditionally violent culture. Even I own a gun in the US but I would not think about owning a gun for anything other than hunting in the other countries I have lived.

lexhamfox on April 13, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Think about it for just a moment and then tell me how stupid you sound.

Hint apples and oranges.

F15Mech on April 14, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Yeah. This has got to be one of the most interesting non sequiturs that I’ve ever read.

nukemhill on April 14, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Why can’t other countries do whatever the hell they want?

Ronnie on April 14, 2012 at 12:28 AM

Yeah. This has got to be one of the most interesting non sequiturs that I’ve ever read.

nukemhill on April 14, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Yeah well show me data to support the argument. A well armed public… blah blah blah…

lexhamfox on April 14, 2012 at 12:41 AM

Think about it for just a moment and then tell me how stupid you sound.

Hint apples and oranges.

F15Mech on April 14, 2012 at 12:03 AM

It’s not stupid. America is a violent country where guns are common. I’ve lived in Egypt, Japan, Israel, UK, France, Switzerland, and the BENELUX, and the US. Only in the US is violent crime so high that I thought I needed a gun for something other than sport.

Newt being the pandering phuktard that he is advocates extending that misery to other countries.

lexhamfox on April 14, 2012 at 12:57 AM

lexhamfox on April 14, 2012 at 12:57 AM

No, you’re right, it isn’t stupid.
You are stupid for believing it.

Dunedainn on April 14, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Go, Quixote, go! Just because he thinks up new ways to appeal to conservatives, doesn’t make them feasible or him Presidential.

flataffect on April 14, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Yeah well show me data to support the argument. A well armed public… blah blah blah…

lexhamfox on April 14, 2012 at 12:41 AM

Because you told us to ignore that argument.

F15Mech on April 14, 2012 at 1:23 AM

Because you told us to ignore that argument.

F15Mech on April 14, 2012 at 1:23 AM

because it is well documented that there is less crime when law-abiding people are routinely armed. Why do you want more crime?

alwaysfiredup on April 13, 2012 at 9:24 PM

This was the argument I addressed.

It fails outside of the US which has a violent culture and a gun culture. The problem is the US and not extending American problems to other nations. Again, show me how gun ownership outside the US fosters reduced crime.

lexhamfox on April 14, 2012 at 2:17 AM

Of course most of the comments miss the point. Newt just dumped a metric tonne of FU onto the UN. Who cares if it would go anywhere? Of course it won’t.

Newt was effectively saying “hey, how about a recognition of a human right that is actually a right?” Not housing, not food not “healthcare.” An actual, transcendent, Human right, not an entitlement or payoff for votes.

Newt for UN Ambassador.

Dirt McGirt on April 14, 2012 at 2:43 AM

Newt for UN Ambassador.

Dirt McGirt on April 14, 2012 at 2:43 AM

This important. The UN has tried to curtail the production and sale of arms. The US has used the same argument that Newt employs to thwart any real progress to stop the arms trade. It’s obscene.

lexhamfox on April 14, 2012 at 2:52 AM

I’m pretty sure Captain Flexibility will keep a polite distance from people’s guns should he win in November. What would he achieve by trying to get a gun-control measure passed?

This is naive and void of understanding of the seriousness of the left at this point in our history.

I’ve watched over five decades of leftist attempts at taking away our guns now, and this man is the most dangerous of all. Maybe you missed his international lawbreaking and murder scheme over the Mexican border – one we refuse to prosecute? He could care about law -and all the “flexibility” or “civilian armies” in the world won’t work with the guns owned by folks who won’t give them up until they’re empty, and he knows that.

On the other hand, he might attempt to take them away just to find a convenient excuse to impose martial law -that plus a deliberately racially agitated base as an instrument, might give him what he wants.

Don’t count on Romney to defend those rights which are but insurance against all the others from becoming history.

Don L on April 14, 2012 at 7:21 AM

Of course most of the comments miss the point. Newt just dumped a metric tonne of FU onto the UN. Who cares if it would go anywhere? Of course it won’t.

Newt was effectively saying “hey, how about a recognition of a human right that is actually a right?” Not housing, not food not “healthcare.” An actual, transcendent, Human right, not an entitlement or payoff for votes.

Newt for UN Ambassador.

Dirt McGirt on April 14, 2012 at 2:43 AM

^^This. Very good. Sarah/Newt will not be silenced.

IndeCon on April 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM

nailed it. you guys are medieval not only about your religion but about your guns too, much like your middle eastern counterparts. EVOLVE ALREADY!

DBear on April 13, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Actually, DBear, as a Libertarian atheist, already evolved.

And carrying bits of metal that can be propelled at speed to defend myself instead of carrying a huge club.

Try to grow up and be responsible, DBear. When seconds matter, the police are only minutes away. Unless of course, you are like Bloomberg and have them on site and in the next room.

ProfShadow on April 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Concentrate on keeping it a right here in the US.
Other than that, shut up and focus on larger issues (economy, education, etc, etc)

bridgetown on April 14, 2012 at 9:43 AM

The UK would be 500% against anything like this.

They banned literally all firearms a while ago to make their country safe. Gun crime literally skyrocketed anyway as did aggravated assaults, home invasions, burglaries, etc. etc.

I’ve met some UK cops and they say the country is still far safer as a result of the gun ban. When I pointed out the stats they said, “Well you yanks are gun crazed and if you’re not all shooting each other your guns are being stolen by gangsters.”

Basically there’s no saving that country.

CorporatePiggy on April 14, 2012 at 9:50 AM

nailed it. you guys are medieval not only about your religion but about your guns too, much like your middle eastern counterparts. EVOLVE ALREADY!

DBear on April 13, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Evolve into what? An insincere, perverse, racist, liberty destoying reprobate like yousef?

Puh-leeze.

tom daschle concerned on April 14, 2012 at 10:28 AM

MaiDee on April 13, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.

lexhamfox on (Any of the bilge you’re spouting)

The US has one of the lower intentional homicide rates. In the by-state breakdown, states with restrictive gun laws and states with drug trafficking issues drag the averages upwards.

If you want to spout bull****, you could at least kang together statistics to support drug legalization, but arguing “guns cause violence” is a patent fraud.

Asurea on April 14, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Don’t count on Romney to defend those rights which are but insurance against all the others from becoming history.

Don L on April 14, 2012 at 7:21 AM

Yep.
The liar-of-a-hunter is just blowing smoke. His RECORD speaks for itself.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on April 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM

We can’t let them all have guns, how are we going to be able to invade them and steal all their oil, rape their women, force their children into bondage? s\\ in case you didn’t know.

hip shot on April 14, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Guys this Newt guy sounds serious, lets all vote for him in the primaries and make him the nominee!

Swerve22 on April 14, 2012 at 11:54 AM

but I’m pretty sure Captain Flexibility will keep a polite distance from people’s guns should he win in November.

As usual, Allah has not been paying attention. The second Obama administration will be a exercise in bypassing Congress, Courts and laws when they get in the way of his agenda.

The same cowards who haven’t exercised the power of the U.S. Constitution to stop his agenda and neuter his programs will be forced to put up or shut up. (Based on the experience with the California “Republicans”, they’ll just shut up like they’ve been mostly doing for the last 3 years.)

CrazyGene on April 14, 2012 at 11:58 AM

This is your friendly, neighborhood Liberal, telling you, he is right.

The Democratic Party in its current form has been taken over by the nut bars who want to tell every one of us how to live our lives, and decide for us what we will buy, be it food, or fuel or vehicle. They aren’t liberal in any sense of the word.

Valerie on April 14, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Not that anyone will read this, but it is just maddening to read some of these comments attacking Newt for this speech. But then, that sort of tactic has been one of the primary characteristics of this nomination process. So-called conservatives cynically attacked candidate after candidate for positions that are fundamentally conservative, and have been so for the last 100 years.

Bachman and Santorum were attacked for social conservatism.

Perry was Mediscared by a candidate who now claims the support of Paul Ryan.

And Newt has been savaged for a number of “offenses,” such as calling out the press for manifest bias and attempting to re-focus America’s attention on the tactical significance of the moon (and space in general). But these latest attacks simply take the cake. Who would have thought that “conservatives” would be attacking anyone for standing up for the right of self-defense?

Wasn’t it William Buckley who said that we need to make it desirable for the wrong people to do the right thing? Who freaking cares if Newt is pandering to the NRA? Name one Presidential candidate who has made this kind of statement to the UN, framed in terms that directly challenge their hypocrisy on human rights. There isn’t one. This whining and ankle-biting reminds me of nothing so much as the pathetic reaction of liberals to Reagan’s “Evil Empire” speech.

The fact of the matter is that some of you have lost your way. You’ve sold out your principles just to support a man who is running for President. Someday you’re going to finally wake up and realize that you’re the mirror image of the Obama worshipers who couldn’t care less what his positions are, so long as he wins. This betrayal is disgusting, but more than that it’s just sad. To think that the fundamentals of conservatism would be so easily abandoned.

Nom de Boom on April 14, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Bank it folks.

HondaV65 on April 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Though Mitt isn’t ideal, your paranoid portrayal is way over the top.

Get a grip.

MaggiePoo on April 14, 2012 at 2:11 PM

If we could wave a magic wand and grant the disenfranchised of the Earth small arms with which to resist their oppressors, things would improve dramatically — after a lot of blood spilled — in places like Iran and North Korea.

This is a common misconception among gun rights advocates, but actual evidence does not support it. The insurgents in Bosnia/Kosovo (in the 1990s) and Iraq were not exactly short on small firearms when fighting the Yugoslavian and U.S. armed forces. However, modern armies will rout “militias” in combat.

MARCU$

mlindroo on April 14, 2012 at 3:44 PM

It’s not stupid. America is a violent country where guns are common. I’ve lived in Egypt, Japan, Israel, UK, France, Switzerland, and the BENELUX, and the US. Only in the US is violent crime so high that I thought I needed a gun for something other than sport.

Newt being the pandering phuktard that he is advocates extending that misery to other countries.

lexhamfox on April 14, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Egypt eh? So you wouldn’t mind being a foreigner or say a Coptic Christian in the post Mubarak era without self defense? The Swiss are as armed if not moreso than Americans. Get back to me after spending some time in riots in Paris or London. You know what the definition of irony is? Walking past a drop box in the Victoria section of London imploring you to “Get a life, Bin that knife!” mere weeks after the 2011 riots.

Good luck sport shooting in the UK, they went after that not long after banning every other type of gun.

Basically there’s no saving that country.

CorporatePiggy on April 14, 2012 at 9:50 AM

I fear you are correct regarding ol’ blighty. Back in ’08 I was in London a few weeks before the election. Ended up talking to an elderly British woman one evening about the election. She mentioned Sara Palin thusly, “Oh and that Palin woman, shooting bears and mooses from a helicopter. Doesn’t she worry you?” With a smile I said, “Nope”. That kind of shut down that discussion. A day or so later after visiting the Churchill war museum (the bunkers) it hit me. How far has the UK fallen from the Battle of Britain days of “never surrender”? I see a lot of the same attitudes here in the USA.

oryguncon on April 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM

This is a common misconception among gun rights advocates, but actual evidence does not support it. The insurgents in Bosnia/Kosovo (in the 1990s) and Iraq were not exactly short on small firearms when fighting the Yugoslavian and U.S. armed forces. However, modern armies will rout “militias” in combat.

MARCU$

mlindroo on April 14, 2012 at 3:44 PM

‘To place any dependence on the Militia, is, assuredly, resting upon a broken staff. Men just dragged from the tender Scenes of domestic life; unaccustomed to the din of Arms; totally unacquainted with every kind of military skill, which being followed by a want of confidence in themselves, when opposed to Troops regularly trained, disciplined, and appointed, superior in knowledge and superior in Arms, makes them timid, and ready to fly from their own shadows… if I was called upon to declare upon Oath, whether the militia have been most serviceable or hurtful upon the whole, I should subscribe to the latter.’

– George Washington.

Chaz706 on April 15, 2012 at 1:36 AM

There is a big difference between Newt and Romney on the Second Amendment.

Newt has been a life long supporter of the Second Amendment, and when he speaks on the subject, as he does here, there is no doubt that Newt means it. Also, Newt is advocating here a proposal that deals with what is a problem of international law that can interfere with the Second Amendment (not that it should).

Romney has been a life long gun control advocate. Now, he is casting himself as a conservative, and so he talks the talk of a conservative, which means here being a supporter of the Second Amendment. But Romney has never walked the walk of a conservative.

And don’t give me that baloney about Romney being a severely conservative Governor. He wasn’t. He increased spending (receiving a D from the Cato Institute on fiscal responsibility), raised fees and taxes, was admantly pro-abortion rights and championed RomneyCare, which Romney has never disavowed, which caused billions of dollars of shyrocketing costs and which provides the blueprint for ObamaCare.

Phil Byler on April 15, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Yep, that awesome instrument of worldwide liberty and human rights, the UN. Thanks Newt. I will now slap myself yet again for having ever supported your campaign. I’m one Big Bold Newtonian Idea away from throwing up on my shoes.

ConservativeLA on April 15, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Chaz706 on April 15, 2012 at 1:36 AM

Holy cow! QFT to the max!

I never knew GW even SAID that…wow, epic win.

MelonCollie on April 15, 2012 at 4:10 PM

I guess this is Newt’s plan to gain attention on the cheap: Dream up half-baked, pipe dream ideas on explosive issues and toss them into the public square.

RadClown on April 13, 2012 at 10:04 PM

So what you’re saying is…

Newt Gingrich says the kind of things you’d expect Newt Gingrich to say?

BKennedy on April 16, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Newt was obviously hanging out with Ted Nugent in St. Louis.

Pole-Cat on April 16, 2012 at 9:34 PM

‘To place any dependence on the Militia, is, assuredly, resting upon a broken staff. Men just dragged from the tender Scenes of domestic life; unaccustomed to the din of Arms; totally unacquainted with every kind of military skill, which being followed by a want of confidence in themselves, when opposed to Troops regularly trained, disciplined, and appointed, superior in knowledge and superior in Arms, makes them timid, and ready to fly from their own shadows… if I was called upon to declare upon Oath, whether the militia have been most serviceable or hurtful upon the whole, I should subscribe to the latter.’

– George Washington.

Chaz706 on April 15, 2012 at 1:36 AM

Country boy will survive.

-Hank Jr.

Pole-Cat on April 16, 2012 at 9:38 PM

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