Confirmed: Conservatives understand liberal positions better than liberals understand conservative positions

posted at 1:21 pm on April 13, 2012 by Tina Korbe

At The American, AEI resident scholar Andrew Biggs highlights an interesting study that confirms what most conservatives probably already know to be true of themselves: We understand why our liberal friends think what they think more than they understand why we think what we think.

[University of Virginia professor Jonathan] Haidt’s research asks individuals to answer questionnaires regarding their core moral beliefs—what sorts of values they consider sacred, which they would compromise on, and how much it would take to get them to make those compromises. By themselves, these exercises are interesting. (Try them online and see where you come out.)

But Haidt’s research went one step further, asking self-indentified conservatives to answer those questionnaires as if they were liberals and for liberals to do the opposite. What Haidt found is that conservatives understand liberals’ moral values better than liberals understand where conservatives are coming from. Worse yet, liberals don’t know what they don’t know; they don’t understand how limited their knowledge of conservative values is. If anyone is close-minded here it’s not conservatives.

Haidt has one theory to explain his results, while Biggs has another. Haidt says conservatives speak a broader and more encompassing language of six moral values, while liberals focus on a narrow subset of those values. Biggs says conservatives understand liberal positions because they’re inundated with them — by the media, by academia, even to a certain extent by the culture.

Haidt and Biggs both have a point. It takes just about a year of actively debating politics or witnessing the debate of politics to realize that (a) the two parties to the debate don’t speak the same language and (b) the liberal party will have few opportunities to learn the conservative’s language. It’s not only that we don’t use the same words, it’s that we also assign completely different meanings to the same words.

The president’s prattling about the Buffett Rule is a perfect example. He repeatedly uses the word “fair” when he discusses this rule that would require anyone who earns more than $1 million a year to pay at least 30 percent in taxes. The Buffett Rule is actually officially named “The Paying a Fair Share Act.”

Conservatives have been quick to cede the word “fair” to the president. Instead of debating whether The Buffett Rule actually is fair, we’ve focused on the idea that economic growth and entitlement reform are the  keys to deficit reduction. We know that our definition of “fair” is different than liberals’ definition of “fair,” so we’re never going to be able to convince liberals that the Buffett Rule actually is unfair. In a world dominated by liberal influences in the media, academy and culture, we have no choice but focus on the fact that The Buffett Rule would do very little to reduce the deficit.

If liberals understood the conservative definition of “fair,” they might better understand how it’s possible to oppose the Buffett Rule. As the debate stands at this moment, it’s conceivable that the average liberal thinks conservatives actually oppose a rule we think is fair just because we don’t think it will adequately reduce the deficit. But why would anybody oppose a fair rule? In fact, we oppose the Buffett Rule because, by our definition, it is unfair — not to mention that it does very little to reduce the deficit. (As an aside, I’ve been searching for an article in which a conservative argues explicitly that the Buffett Rule is unfair and am finding it surprisingly hard to find. Has anybody read a good one?)

The word “just” is defined as “based on right.” Our concept of what is fair starts with our concept of what is a right. Whereas progressives think that rights are given by the government, conservatives think that “we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights.” Among our God-given rights is the right to keep the fruits of our labor. So far, I have never heard a good argument that we have a right or a claim to the fruits of others’ labor unless they have promised them to us for some reason. We certainly never have an intrinsic a priori claim on the fruits of someone else’s labor.

As long as he is allowed to keep what he has earned, the conservative thinks he has been treated fairly — even if others have more than he has. The liberal has a completely different definition of fairness. Liberals seem to think we have a right to the same fruits no matter what our labor.

It is true that different kinds and quantities of work yield different kinds and quantities of fruits. That is sometimes hard to take — but if, in the end, we receive the fruits we agreed to when we selected our labor, then the fruits we receive are fair. (For example, if we agree to a particular day’s wages and we receive that day’s wages, then we have been treated fairly. Nobody changed the deal to which we agreed.) In making the choice to be a secretary and not a hedge fund manager, for example, the secretary forgoes some of the fruits of the hedge fund manager — but obtains some fruits the hedge fund manager never tastes, say the fruit of more time to spend with family or the fruit of less stress. If we are not content with the fruits of our labor, perhaps we ought first to consider changing our labor, rather than demand we be given different fruits.

One last thought: Conservatives clearly have a more expansive view of what constitutes “fruits.” We do not measure success and fairness solely by money. In the example above, I recognize the worth of time off and less pressure — two intangibles. For all that liberals like to talk about conservative greed, it’s interesting that conservatives can content themselves with less money in exchange for other benefits whereas liberals seem blind to those benefits and just want the money.

Update: Here is the link to Andrew Biggs’ post. My apologies for forgetting to include it before!


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Learn not to Alinsky those with whom you disagree, punkin.

Kent18 on March 16, 2013 at 3:11 PM

As puerile as good ‘ol verbaluce

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Palin/Paul 2016

ThePrez on March 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM

The primaries, corrupt as they were, still occurred.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Yes. That is the point: we lose elections because we have corrupt primaries where the winners are pre-selected. No one asked you to vote for Palin. We said Romney’s loss wasn’t our fault, and it wasn’t.

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Yep.

MadisonConservative on March 16, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Good Maddie, you defy math. How sad. I still missed you.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2013 at 3:15 PM

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 3:05 PM

That about sums it up.

29Victor on March 16, 2013 at 3:15 PM

She did a great job. Hope she puts herself back in some elected office again to make a difference.

TX-96 on March 16, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Daily Kos conference, would be the analog, Obama is the figurehead of a structure he has risen from, and empowered in greater increments.

narciso on March 16, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Learn not to Alinsky those with whom you disagree, punkin.

Kent18 on March 16, 2013 at 3:11 PM

As puerile as good ‘ol verbaluce

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Exhibits “A” through “Z,” inclusive.

*yaaaawwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnn,* kitten.

Kent18 on March 16, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Sarah is the only one that mocks bo and right from the get go, that’s why she lives in his head rent free. Alinskys rules.

tim c on March 16, 2013 at 3:16 PM

When she said, “I’ve got the rack, Todd’s got the rifle”, the audience tittered and smiled and shook their heads and laughed despite themselves, at the sexual metaphor. It was vintage Sarah, with playful double meanings of words. Sometimes she’s a little naughty.

Paul-Cincy on March 16, 2013 at 3:09 PM

And that’s why she’s great. She’s got that casual, smooth attitude that Obama had when he first ran for president(and boy, did that disappear fast), but with none of the elitist air. She’s confident and unafraid, and still going even with all the flak she’s received. One tough broad.

MadisonConservative on March 16, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Too bad she couldn’t have supported our candidate for President, Mitt Romney.
Mr. Arkadin on March 16, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Too bad he didn’t want her anywhere near him or his campaign. He may have won.

lonestar1 on March 16, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Who cares what this woman has to say?

d1carter on March 16, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Far more people it seems than cared what Romney had to say.

astonerii on March 16, 2013 at 3:16 PM

We said Romney’s loss wasn’t our fault, and it wasn’t.

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Learn to read, instead of emote. I always specify, clearly “those who brung/kept Obama”.

If you voted for Romney, even reluctantly (I did by kicking and screaming and being held down), you are not in my mantra.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Lanceman, welcome back.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2013 at 3:13 PM

I never really left. I would lurk sometimes. But this obama bullsh!t really had me down. Oh well. It’s here. Nothing we can do about it.

Lanceman on March 16, 2013 at 3:16 PM

He’s got the rifle I’ve got the rack

ROFL

Rode Werk on March 16, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Love this woman.

Kataklysmic on March 16, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Palin/Paul 2016

ThePrez on March 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Works for me. ;)

Kent18 on March 16, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Oh well. It’s here. Nothing we can do about it.

Lanceman on March 16, 2013 at 3:16 PM

We can mock it. Since the sequester blunders the trolls have been frenetic like a bee hive out of control. It means something, just don’t know yet what…

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2013 at 3:17 PM

(This time) He’s got the rifle I’ve got the rack

ROFL

Rode Werk on March 16, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Palin/Paul 2016

ThePrez on March 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Palin/Paul 2016 I guess is like Reagan/George HWBush 1980. I remember how well that worked out in 1992.

astonerii on March 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

I always specify, clearly “those who brung/kept Obama”.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2013 at 3:16 PM

And the context of that comment was that it was people here, people who might read what you are writing, were those people. You’re looking in the wrong direction. the conservative base turned out in 2012.

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Too bad he didn’t want her anywhere near him or his campaign. He may have won.

lonestar1 on March 16, 2013 at 3:16 PM

You may be right. Had she been turned loose, she might have gotten those 4 million idiots who couldn’t get off the couch to go vote for Mittens.

Lanceman on March 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

What an embarrassment to common sense conservatives. No wonder why the majority of this country doesn’t trust republicans.

rubberneck on March 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

We can mock it. Since the sequester blunders the trolls have been frenetic like a bee hive out of control. It means something, just don’t know yet what…

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Doesn’t matter. He’s here for four more years. What other failed President has gotten two terms?

Lanceman on March 16, 2013 at 3:20 PM

You may be right. Had she been turned loose, she might have gotten those 4 million idiots who couldn’t get off the couch to go vote for Mittens.

Lanceman on March 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

exit polls showed she got McCain about 10million…

unseen on March 16, 2013 at 3:21 PM

rubberneck on March 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

It shouldn’t be too difficult for an intellectual, smart, erudite sincere person like yourself to quote the embarrassing parts of her speech.

tom daschle concerned on March 16, 2013 at 3:21 PM

What an embarrassment to common sense conservatives. No wonder why the majority of this country doesn’t trust republicans.

rubberneck on March 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

How’s it hangin’, rubberdick?

Lanceman on March 16, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Yes. That is the point: we lose elections because we have corrupt primaries where the winners are pre-selected. No one asked you to vote for Palin. We said Romney’s loss wasn’t our fault, and it wasn’t.

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM

I heard Michael Reagan talk once about how his dad had to fight the party leadership tooth and nail get the nomination in 1980. The GOP mukcymucks had pretty much shut him out four years before and gave us Ford (I wonder who they blamed for that loss). They really, really didn’t want him in 1980, they wanted Bush.

You can understand their reasoning, a man as conservative as and verbal about it as Reagan could never, ever win in Carter’s America.
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29Victor on March 16, 2013 at 3:22 PM

rubberneck on March 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

you dont’ wear blue jeans either do you. Is that you George Will?

unseen on March 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM

What an embarrassment to common sense conservatives. No wonder why the majority of this country doesn’t trust republicans.

rubberneck on March 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

LOL and yet you use a term she coined.

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Superb speech.

Thank you Sarah Palin.

john.frank on March 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Wh

at an embarrassment to common sense conservatives. No wonder why the majority of this country doesn’t trust republicans.

rubberneck on March 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

I cannot think of a more authoritarian, disinformative term than, “common sense.”

It’s that euphemism that has allowed the State to grind the People into the ground.

Say what you mean, without the euphemisms.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM

exit polls showed she got McCain about 10million…

unseen on March 16, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Considerably more than that. I can promise you.

Lanceman on March 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Who cares what this woman has to say?

d1carter on March 16, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Far more people it seems than cared what Romney had to say.

astonerii on March 16, 2013 at 3:16 PM

It’s amazing isn’t it? The Prog media told us she was an uneducated idiot buffoon and now they say she is irrelevant. So why are they so mad? Palinized and Cruzified coming soon.

d1carter on March 16, 2013 at 3:24 PM

You may be right. Had she been turned loose, she might have gotten those 4 million idiots who couldn’t get off the couch to go vote for Mittens.

Lanceman on March 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

If there were those people, it was Romney’s self chosen job to get those voters to the polls. Romney, the man who ran for and won the primary using one of the, if not the single, largest warchests in primary history, that was used to the highest extent possible for negative campaign advertizing, whould have been able to get them to the polls rights?
No? Not his fault, nothing is ever the fault of the person in charge. You know, I know another person that this rule applies to, his name is Barack Obama. Who knew the two men were SO TOTALLY ALIKE?

astonerii on March 16, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Maybe we would be better off concentrating on 2014 instead of who needs to run in 2016. If we don’t get Congress turned around in 2014, who knows what 2016 portends.

NoNails on March 16, 2013 at 3:24 PM

What an embarrassment to common sense conservatives.

rubberneck on March 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

“Common sense conservatives” handed two successive elections to the single most eminently beatable presidential candidate in modern electoral history.

They have enough to be “embarrassed” about on their plates, without waddling back to the buffet for extra servings.

Kent18 on March 16, 2013 at 3:25 PM

rubberneck on March 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Your screen name seems to sum you up..:)

You turn your neck to which ever way the wind blows…

idesign on March 16, 2013 at 3:25 PM

I’m going to take this opportunity to once again plug Phyllis Shjlafly CPAC 2013 speech. She is, apparently a huge fan of Sarah Palin.

29Victor on March 16, 2013 at 3:03 PM

I thot she made very good points. Taped it and want to review it again, since she covered quite a bit.

bluefox on March 16, 2013 at 3:25 PM

I have nothing but disdain for the man.

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Makes two of us, though it makes disdain indignant.

And the context of that comment was that it was people here, people who might read what you are writing, were those people. You’re looking in the wrong direction. the conservative base turned out in 2012.

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

You are wrong. I don’t look at you, they are here; not you, but they are on this board and out there. Millions of R/Cs stayed home. The numbers don’t lie. When you add up corruption/fraud and those who didn’t vote…the diff. was not that much of a spread, often very close.

Romney made no effort to unite the factions, incl. at the convention. I enumerated his mistakes, often, ahead of the election, to the chagrin of the Mittbots, who are as insufferable as the Obamabots.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Considerably more than that. I can promise you.

Lanceman on March 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM

more than likely just going on exit polls. for those that voted for and against McCain where Palin was the deciding factor 10 million more voted for McCain than Obama.

unseen on March 16, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Who cares what this woman has to say?

d1carter on March 16, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Now, that there is funny.

wolfsDad on March 16, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Maybe we would be better off concentrating on 2014 instead of who needs to run in 2016. If we don’t get Congress turned around in 2014, who knows what 2016 portends.

NoNails on March 16, 2013 at 3:24 PM

The greatest threat to Congress – especially the House – is the “pathway to citizenship” for illegals.

Should that come to fruition, the GOP will be a permanent minority Party, and the Communists will grind us into the ground.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 16, 2013 at 3:27 PM

What other failed President has gotten two terms?

Lanceman on March 16, 2013 at 3:20 PM

None, but he got it by the stupidity of both parties.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Why is Sarah Palin speaking at CPAC?

Leaders seek to bring Americans together to confront our challenges, and campaigners, they seek to divide and conquer and orchestrate crisis after crisis after crisis, to exploit. Mr. President, you won. We accept it. Now step away from the teleprompter and do your job.”

Asked and answered. I do not necessarily want to see the woman at the top of the 2016 ticket but those who dismiss her as an irrelevant intellectual lightweight do so to their own ignorance.

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Beautiful. Simply perfect.

Dan Pet on March 16, 2013 at 3:28 PM

What an embarrassment to common sense conservatives. No wonder why the majority of this country doesn’t trust republicans.

rubberneck on March 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Care to expand? What exactly are you talking about?

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2013 at 3:30 PM

OhEssYouCowboys on March 16, 2013 at 3:27 PM

No doubt about it

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Who cares what this woman has to say?

Well I would imagine that bhopress/d’s/rino’s will have a few words to say about Sarah’s speech? The spin is already out by bho/team to slam Sarah for her going after bho?
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letget on March 16, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Who cares what this woman has to say?

d1carter on March 16, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Governor Palin #1 TV Pundit on Mediaite’s Power Grid

http://conservatives4palin.com/2013/03/gov-palin-1-tv-pundit-on-mediaites-power-grid-devito.html

http://www.mediaite.com/power-grid/category/?c=TV+Pundits

Pork-Chop on March 16, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Rand Paul for President or VP? Absolutely not!

Connie on March 16, 2013 at 3:32 PM

The other big reality TV star turns up at CPAC. What a joke.

lexhamfox on March 16, 2013 at 3:32 PM

lexhamfox on March 16, 2013 at 3:32 PM

I forgot. Are you the bad fox or one of the good ones?

Lanceman on March 16, 2013 at 3:34 PM

lexhamfox on March 16, 2013 at 3:32 PM

I didn’t know Obama was at cpac

unseen on March 16, 2013 at 3:34 PM

BTW, it just might be me, but it looked like Sarah had the ‘Star of David’ around her neck? I made the comment to hubby when I saw it. She is a wonderful friend of Israel.
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letget on March 16, 2013 at 3:34 PM

I do not necessarily want to see the woman at the top of the 2016 ticket but those who dismiss her as an irrelevant intellectual lightweight do so to their own ignorance.

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2013 at 3:28 PM

This.

d1carter on March 16, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Cruz is a gentlemen, and I wouldn’t expect anything less than his crediting Sarah Palin, but I agree with Letget. Many Texans were Cruz backers long before she spoke at the Woodlands that day.

I watched the speech, and it was a barnburner. I can’t wait for Cruz this afternoon.

jazzuscounty on March 16, 2013 at 3:36 PM

HaHa. She’s holding a big gulp in the screen cap.

Suck it Bloomie.

fogw on March 16, 2013 at 3:36 PM

I do not necessarily want to see the woman at the top of the 2016 ticket but those who dismiss her as an irrelevant intellectual lightweight do so to their own ignorance.

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2013 at 3:28 PM

I did not necessarily want to see Mittens at the top of the 2012 ticket.

We tried it your way. Hopefully, if this country is to be saved, no more.

Lanceman on March 16, 2013 at 3:36 PM

What an embarrassment to common sense conservatives. No wonder why the majority of this country doesn’t trust republicans.

rubberneck on March 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

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How’s it hangin’, rubberdik ?

Lanceman
on March 16, 2013 at 3:22 PM

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Dang it, Lanceman ….. I’ll be the rest of the day recovering from that ….. Ohhh my gut hurts ….. : )

listens2glenn on March 16, 2013 at 3:37 PM

The other big reality TV star turns up at CPAC. What a joke.

lexhamfox on March 16, 2013 at 3:32 PM

The difference is Palin is a private citizen, not the freaking President of the United States.

Doughboy on March 16, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Did she give an entire speech or quit half way through?

Mmm...Burritos on March 16, 2013 at 3:37 PM

I do not necessarily want to see the woman at the top of the 2016 ticket but those who dismiss her as an irrelevant intellectual lightweight do so to their own ignorance.

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2013 at 3:28 PM

This.

d1carter on March 16, 2013 at 3:34 PM

the problem is that as 2012 and 2008 showed if she isn’t at the top of the ticket than the PPC rules and we get nothing.

unseen on March 16, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Far more people it seems than cared what Romney had to say.

astonerii on March 16, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Karl Rove is drawing a frowny-face on his Magic Whiteboard just for you, even as we speak. ;)

Kent18 on March 16, 2013 at 3:38 PM

“Common sense conservatives” handed two successive elections to the single most eminently beatable presidential candidate in modern electoral history.

They have enough to be “embarrassed” about on their plates, without waddling back to the buffet for extra servings.

Kent18 on March 16, 2013 at 3:25 PM

They also gave us Ford, fought Reagan, gave us Bush, Dole, McCain and Romney. And yet they are sooooooooo condescending.

29Victor on March 16, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Anybody heard from Karl Rove..?

d1carter on March 16, 2013 at 3:38 PM

I heard Michael Reagan talk once about how his dad had to fight the party leadership tooth and nail get the nomination in 1980. The GOP mukcymucks had pretty much shut him out four years before and gave us Ford (I wonder who they blamed for that loss). They really, really didn’t want him in 1980, they wanted Bush.

29Victor on March 16, 2013 at 3:22 PM

The dynamics were a little different now than they were then. Specifically, there were many in the GOP that thought it heresy that Reagan would even challenge Ford. And it probably was as far as establishment politics was concerned but Ford and his inner circle felt personally betrayed by Reagan for doing so. If you haven’t noticed the GOP has this stupid habit of picking nominees based on whose “turn” it is to run for President (Dole and McCain ring a bell?) Reagan stepped on that in 1976 and there was residual animus in the party. The irony is that it is clear that the nation was looking for change after Watergate. I’m not saying Reagan would have won in a landslide but I do think it would have been interesting to see a race that pitted two governors against each other instead of an outsider who pretended to carry his own luggage pitted against a guy who had been in Washington for over 30 years.

The dynamics today are truly more dire. We are at a crossroads where we get Obama-style socialism (the wet dream of liberals, radicals, and Democrats for decades) or do we adopt smaller government, fiscal responisiblity, respect for the Constitution, and value of traditional values. I’m not being over-dramatic. CPAC is essentially a straw poll as to what it will take to get passionate conservatives onboard. There is some indication they are not in a mood for half-measures (read centrist and establishment “Republicans.”)

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Anybody heard from Karl Rove..?

d1carter on March 16, 2013 at 3:38 PM

I’ve heard him mentioned a couple of times…not in a good way

29Victor on March 16, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Anybody heard from Karl Rove..?

d1carter on March 16, 2013 at 3:38 PM

He was on Fox News the other night. Some liberal (Joe Trippe I think but can’t remember) had his white board.

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Cruz is a gentlemen, and I wouldn’t expect anything less than his crediting Sarah Palin, but I agree with Letget. Many Texans were Cruz backers long before she spoke at the Woodlands that day.

I watched the speech, and it was a barnburner. I can’t wait for Cruz this afternoon.

jazzuscounty on March 16, 2013 at 3:36 PM

following the election during the primary it wasn’t until Palin endorsed him that his campaign took off. Cruz said as much at the time. He said his phones starting ringing off the hook after her endorsement and the money flowed in. It was Palin’s endorsement that pushed him ahead in the primary. Cruz is man enough to admit it and said as much as CPAC my respect for him grw today. Not many men would say what he did and give credit where it was due.

unseen on March 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Maybe we would be better off concentrating on 2014 instead of who needs to run in 2016. If we don’t get Congress turned around in 2014, who knows what 2016 portends.

NoNails on March 16, 2013 at 3:24 PM

That’s true. We’ve have not only the Dems but Rove, the RINOPAC to contend with. The Senate Conservative Fund has a lot of info on House & Senate openings. They have broadened their actions beyond Senate Candidates only.

bluefox on March 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM

“Common sense conservatives” handed two successive elections to the single most eminently beatable presidential candidate in modern electoral history.

They have enough to be “embarrassed” about on their plates, without waddling back to the buffet for extra servings.

Kent18 on March 16, 2013 at 3:25 PM

They also gave us Ford, fought Reagan, gave us Bush, Dole, McCain and Romney. And yet they are sooooooooo condescending.

29Victor on March 16, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Yup. Like watching some helpless “A”-ball MLB wannabe, consistently incapable of even hitting the Mendoza Line, strutting about the ballpark and offering his unsolicited advice to Albert Pujols. ;)

Kent18 on March 16, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Sarah Palin is STILL trending [being referred to] on Twitter.

The ‘republican’ people who attack Sarah Palin define #icantdothat and cost us elections.

DannoJyd on March 16, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Sarah Buchanan Palin sure is a firebrand. Now it’s time to make a run for the senate.

I don’t see Rand backing her in 2016. Cruz maybe, but not Rand.

can_con on March 16, 2013 at 3:44 PM

One thing I love about her speech: not once, NOT ONCE, does she take so much as a veiled shot at Romney.

I have no confidence that if their places had been reversed, if she had run, won the nom and lost to Obama, romney would not have been as gracious.

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Sarah Palin’s Brilliant CPAC Speech Shows She Can Still Work A Crowd

http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-cpac-2013-3

Pork-Chop on March 16, 2013 at 3:45 PM

It simply doesn’t get any better than this.

Bmore on March 16, 2013 at 3:45 PM

*no confidence he would have been as gracious.

Need an edit tag…

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 3:45 PM

I did not necessarily want to see Mittens at the top of the 2012 ticket.

We tried it your way. Hopefully, if this country is to be saved, no more.

Lanceman on March 16, 2013 at 3:36 PM

What exactly is “my way?” What do you know about my views to make such an absurd statement? I voted for Romney and I think he probably was ultimately the best option among the final contenders but please mind your own business and lecture me as if you have the first clue as to what I do and do not believe you worthless parasite.

Why do I call you a parasite? Because you seem far more intent on re-fighting the last election than working toward the next. That’s what Obama wants to do going into the mid-term elections.

MY GUESS LANCEMAN HAS AN OBAMAPHONE IN HIS POCKET, “FREE GOVT MONEY ON HIS EBT, AND A CHIP ON HIS SHOULDER. See how easy it is to say stupid stuff?

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Yes. That is the point: we lose elections because we have corrupt primaries where the winners are pre-selected.

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM

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ABOLISH OPEN PRIMARIES.

I really do believe Ned Flanders, I’m sorry … I mean Rick Santorum would have been our nominee, but for cross-over voters.

listens2glenn on March 16, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Did she give an entire speech or quit half way through?

Mmm…Burritos on March 16, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Guess you quit listening halfway through.

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Pork-Chop on March 16, 2013 at 3:45 PM

rofl…the media went from she is irrelevant to she is semi-irrelvent…..now that’s funny. How can someone be semi-irrelevant. that’s a new one…

unseen on March 16, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Once again, Palin eviscerates – with a smile and an extra knife-twist.

I love this woman.

And if she is so irrelevant, why do all the Lefties fear and turn out to tell us how we shouldn’t listen to her?

As Rush says – “They will tell you who they fear.”

PJ Emeritus on March 16, 2013 at 3:48 PM

I have no confidence that if their places had been reversed, if she had run, won the nom and lost to Obama, romney would not have been as gracious.

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 3:44 PM

In the absence of that actually happening that is more than a mean-spirited thing to say. Romney certainly was as gracious in defeat as he could be without recrimination of anybody. I think your Romney hate is out of line.

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2013 at 3:48 PM

There was black smoke from the White House chimney today. We still don’t have a President.

Floating on e-mail. Might be a blessing.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2013 at 3:48 PM

lexhamfox on March 16, 2013 at 3:32 PM

I didn’t know Obama was at cpac

unseen on March 16, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Good one unseen!! Nice to see you!

bluefox on March 16, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Mmm…Burritos on March 16, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Got your sorry ass to comment. I call that victory.

Bmore on March 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM

I have no confidence that if their places had been reversed, if she had run, won the nom and lost to Obama, romney would not have been as gracious.

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Not sure about that. Can’t say much for some of his rabid supporters, but Mitt is a gentleman. I don’t think I ever heard him say a bad thing about Sarah Palin ever.

Sometimes Mitt gets a bad name, without people remembering how he worked tirelessly for McCain after he lost in 2008 and continued to get out there for any republican in races where he could help through to his 2012 run. He is a good man.

can_con on March 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Anybody heard from Karl Rove..?

d1carter on March 16, 2013 at 3:38 PM

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Karl WHO ?

listens2glenn on March 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM

And if she is so irrelevant, why do all the Lefties fear and turn out to tell us how we shouldn’t listen to her?

PJ Emeritus on March 16, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Yup. Here, especially. ;)

Kent18 on March 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM

The dynamics were a little different now than they were then. Specifically, there were many in the GOP that thought it heresy that Reagan would even challenge Ford. And it probably was as far as establishment politics was concerned but Ford and his inner circle felt personally betrayed by Reagan for doing so.

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2013 at 3:39 PM

I understand, but the Party was absolutely sure that running they guy who had pardoned Nixon was better than running a “far right radical” president like Reagan who would “split the party.” The people wanted Reagan, the party wanted Ford.

Many of the same arguments we hear now against conservatives were used against Reagan in ’76 and ’80….by the Republican establishment. Now they pretend they love the man.

29Victor on March 16, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Guess you quit listening halfway through.

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Bull-ritos mother quit drinking halfway through her pregnancy, and her unwanted offspring is living proof that liberalism exacerbates brain damage.

MelonCollie on March 16, 2013 at 3:50 PM

I mean Rick Santorum would have been our nominee, but for cross-over voters.

listens2glenn on March 16, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Rick Santorum’s campaign was so dis-organized he couldn’t even get on the ballot in his home state of Virginia. How do you suggest he could have mustered a national organization? How do you think the war on women meme would have played out with the poster boy for anti-abortion legislationl. The name Terri Schiavo ring a bell because Santorum’s dragging of Congress into that battle would have come up. In short, which cross-over voters would Santorum gathered that Romney did not?

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Cruz is a gentlemen, and I wouldn’t expect anything less than his crediting Sarah Palin, but I agree with Letget. Many Texans were Cruz backers long before she spoke at the Woodlands that day.

jazzuscounty on March 16, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Careful there with the truth. Not only did she support him, she had a late cesarean and gave birth to him.

following the election during the primary it wasn’t until Palin endorsed him that his campaign took off.
unseen on March 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Utter BS. She got him additional publicity after the train was roaring down the tracks already. I live here. You don’t. Every political talk show host in the region was playing him up.

Marcus on March 16, 2013 at 3:51 PM

HaHa. She’s holding a big gulp in the screen cap.

Suck it Bloomie.

fogw on March 16, 2013 at 3:36 PM

One of the guys on the latest CPAC panel said that cup was sitting backstage. He mentioned it to someone and they said they would put it on E-bay, LOL

bluefox on March 16, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Don’t ask for the source.

You won’t believe this, or maybe you will. I just wrapped up a training session for Marines out of Okinawa down at our facility in Arizona. The course as sold to the Marines included lodging on the base Sunday through Thursday nights. The Marines graduated Friday afternoon.

This group of Marines didn’t have a flight out of Tucson until 7:30 AM Saturday morning (the first leg of seventeen hours back to Okie) so they e-mailed their HQ back in Okinawa that they needed hotel rooms near the airport Friday night. They were told “just sleep in the Tucson airport, we can’t authorize a hotel because of sequestration”!

We of course chipped in to help them get a hotel. Welcome to the chicken-shit new Obama-nation.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2013 at 3:52 PM

What a joke.

lexhamfox on March 16, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Agreed, you look extra funny in that shade of green you’re sporting.

Bmore on March 16, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Millions of R/Cs stayed home. The numbers don’t lie. When you add up corruption/fraud and those who didn’t vote…the diff. was not that much of a spread, often very close.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2013 at 3:25 PM

I was more responding to your words, that I was to you personally. I know you are not a mittbot. You were echoing their criticisms of Palin, though, and those criticisms get the same pushback no matter the source.I looked at the numbers.

And yes, I am right. The people who call themselves teaparty voted for Romney in higher proportion than they voted for mccain. I will find that poll for you. The people who stayed home were the disaffected. Tea partiers are not disaffected. Palin supporters are not disaffected. Ergo, tea partiers and palin supporters did not stay home. And the ONLY people responsible for failing to give disaffected people a reason to show up and vote, are the Romney campaign.

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 3:53 PM

One thing I love about her speech: not once, NOT ONCE, does she take so much as a veiled shot at Romney.

I have no confidence that if their places had been reversed, if she had run, won the nom and lost to Obama, romney would not have been as gracious.

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Spot on! Well worth repeating!

DannoJyd on March 16, 2013 at 3:53 PM

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