Breaking: North Korean long-range missile test fails

posted at 7:26 pm on April 12, 2012 by Allahpundit

No links yet but that’s the screaming headline at ABC News. Their story should be up momentarily; I’ll update below as the wires start moving. An obvious question right out of the chute: Did the launch fail on the pad or in mid-flight? Remember, they launched a long-range (Taepodong) missile in 2006 too and that one failed after 42 seconds in the air, crashing into the Sea of Japan within two minutes.

Needless to say, if this thing landed on the territory of any neighboring countries then the world has itself a “situation.” Stand by.

Update: Here’s the ABC story now. They achieved lift-off, but apparently not much else:

The 90-ton rocket launched and there was a larger than anticipated flare.

U.S. officials said that the missile is belived to have crashed into the sea…

“The main audience for this missile is internal not external,” [former U.S. ambassador to South Korea Donald] Gregg said. “This is [Kim Jong Un's] way of demonstrating to the people of North Korea he is in charge and his country is capable of high tech things. It is a manifestation of his power.”

It “broke apart” shortly after the launch, U.S. officials tell CNN. Japan was prepared to shoot it down.

Update: According to WaPo, U.S. officials say the test “may” have failed. Hmmmm.

Update: Just three days ago, CNN got a copy of a report by South Korean intel officials claiming there are signs that the North’s preparing for a new nuclear test too.

Update: Yochi Dreazen of National Journal has quickie background on how the U.S. and NK went from a tentative agreement on February 29 to restore food aid in exchange for an end to missile and nuclear tests to the NorKs firing this one off in defiance of western criticism. A provocative theory: Was there a “miscommunication” inside the North Korean government about U.S. intentions?

Flake said he believes North Korea’s government—thrown into disarray by the recent death of its paramount leader, Kim Jong Il—suffered a major communications breakdown, with the Beijing team’s agreement to forgo a satellite launch not adequately conveyed to the political and military leadership back in Pyongyang.

“There was a screw-up within the North Korean government,” Flake said. “It seems likely that the information didn’t flow back correctly.”

Revere, by contrast, believes that North Korea’s top leadership in Pyongyang accurately understood what the two teams had discussed in Beijing but were all the while preparing to ignore the ban on satellite launches. Revere, now a senior director of the Albright Stonebridge Group, believes the North Koreans seriously misjudged the U.S. response.

“The calculation they made was that the other elements of the agreement—like the freeze on uranium enrichment and nuclear weapons testing—would cause the U.S. to moderate its reaction or eventually come back to the table,” he said. “They convinced themselves that those elements were so valuable that the U.S. couldn’t just walk away from the agreement.”

Hard to square the miscommunication theory with the conventional wisdom about Kim going through with this as a show of strength for his domestic audience. Then again, if you assume that he’s largely a figurehead (at least for the moment) and that various military interests are jockeying for position behind the throne, maybe the miscommunication theory isn’t so far-fetched. Could be that the left hand either doesn’t know what the right hand is doing or is acting independently.

Update: A few more technical details from the Journal:

About 90 seconds into flight, roughly the time its first stage should have burned out and second stage kicked in, the rocket flared brightly and apparently exploded, according to ABC News, which cited U.S. defense officials. Parts fell into water near South Korea’s Jeju Island, South Korean media reported.

A South Korean Defense Ministry spokesman said the rocket “seems to have fallen apart” minutes after launch.

A successful flight would have lasted about 10 minutes, with the rocket’s third stage entering space somewhere between the Philippines and Indonesia, according to plans sent by North Korean space officials to international aviation and maritime authorities.

The Security Council will meet as early as tomorrow to issue the obligatory strongly-worded statement.

Update: Let’s say the NorKs had managed to launch this thing without a hitch and that it completed its 10-minute flight path before landing in the ocean. What incentive would leaders in the west (or the east, for that matter) have to report a successful long-range missile test by NK? All it would do is heighten panic over North Korea’s intentions, and the greater the panic, the greater the risk that South Korean or Japanese leaders would be forced into some sort of brinksmanship with Pyongyang that would end in a catastrophic war. The international consensus on NK has typically been to avoid poking the hornet’s nest for fear of what might fly out if you do. Confirming a successful test would, almost necessarily, require subsequent poking. That’s not to say western officials or anyone else are lying about tonight’s launch having gone bust, but I am curious as to why they’d report it accurately if they could keep it quiet and in so doing keep the public off their back while they plot a strategic response. In the interest of avoiding greater bloodshed, the world already looks the other way at the concentration camps run by the Kim family. If they’re willing to grudgingly tolerate something as filthy as that in the name of “peace,” why wouldn’t they fib about a missile test?

Update: Red State’s Jeff Emanuel finds the silver lining.


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It’s times like these that I’m glad the President set up Attack Watch, because now we will know early on if we’re under attack.

Greek Fire on April 12, 2012 at 8:06 PM

At least we aren’t the only country with a total screw up for a leader.

faraway on April 12, 2012 at 8:07 PM

The Security Council will meet as early as tomorrow to issue the obligatory strongly-worded statement

You mean they’ve already issued the obligatory Expression Of Grave Concern?

eeyore on April 12, 2012 at 8:09 PM

My two favorite things in life:

1. Failed commie missile tests
2. Hot Air comments about failed commie missile tests

innominatus on April 12, 2012 at 8:09 PM

That’s not to say western officials or anyone else are lying about tonight’s launch having gone bust, but I am curious as to why they’d report it accurately if they could keep it quiet and in so doing keep the public off their back while they plot a strategic response.

It flew over the length of South Korea. No way it was not noticed.

pedestrian on April 12, 2012 at 8:09 PM

North Korea’s rocket launch ends in failure: South Korea

SEOUL | Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:03pm EDT

SEOUL (Reuters) – North Korea’s much hyped long-range rocket launch on Friday ended in apparent failure, South Korean officials said, dealing a blow to the prestige of the reclusive and impoverished state that defied international pressure to push ahead with the plan.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/13/us-north-korea-rocket-idUSBRE83B1OR20120413

canopfor on April 12, 2012 at 8:11 PM

These people can’t launch a rocket and we’re worried about them launching an attack on us? Seriously?

manwithblackhat on April 12, 2012 at 8:05 PM

I was thinking the same thing. Makes you wonder about the quality of the uranium they’ve been enriching over the years.

Bitter Clinger on April 12, 2012 at 8:13 PM

The word from The Wall Street Journal is that the North Korean rocket failed right about the time the second stage was supposed to take over, off South Korea’s Jeju Island.

Steve Eggleston on April 12, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Just told my dog the news. He’d like to make a statement.

Bark bark bark! Bark! Rrrr bark! Bark Bark!

El_Terrible on April 12, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I was thinking the same thing. Makes you wonder about the quality of the uranium they’ve been enriching over the years.

Bitter Clinger on April 12, 2012 at 8:13 PM

It’s good enough for at least a fizzle.

Steve Eggleston on April 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Some poor Nork General’s family is going to loose their food allowance over this.

Socratease on April 12, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Best case scenario. This will lead to much more severe actions, and just for one family.

riddick on April 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Juche missile was too self-reliant.

Dack Thrombosis on April 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM

SEOUL (Reuters) – North Korea’s much hyped long-range rocket launch on Friday ended in apparent failure, South Korean officials said, dealing a blow to the prestige of the reclusive and impoverished state that defied international pressure to push ahead with the plan.
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canopfor on April 12, 2012 at 8:11 PM

When the hell did they ever have prestige?!

squint on April 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM

“There was a screw-up within the North Korean government,” Flake said. “It seems likely that the information didn’t flow back correctly.”

BULLSHIT!

Now starve ‘em!

GarandFan on April 12, 2012 at 8:20 PM

The Security Council will meet as early as tomorrow to issue the obligatory strongly-worded statement.

Reminds me of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSXNJMP8ir4

Bitter Clinger on April 12, 2012 at 8:20 PM

I hope that failure is the result of a SM-3 coming up to meet it. hehe

McBaine on April 12, 2012 at 7:29 PM

That’s kind of what I’m wondering too.

Regardless, they’re going to be pushing even harder now for a successful nuke test.

Yakko77 on April 12, 2012 at 8:20 PM

The missile test didn’t fail… it launched successfully, then dear leader said “enough” and the missile complied and broke apart. And it was good.

El_Terrible on April 12, 2012 at 8:24 PM

I’m pretty certain Barry just smiled it right out of the sky.

Dack Thrombosis on April 12, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Shouldn’t have used that X-box as a guidance system.

Tim_CA on April 12, 2012 at 8:26 PM

What a break. Now there is a chance on buying him off before they try another that might work.

BL@KBIRD on April 12, 2012 at 8:27 PM

The missile test didn’t fail… it launched successfully, then dear leader said “enough” and the missile complied and broke apart. And it was good.

El_Terrible on April 12, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Well, they do have the entirety of South Korea covered by the missile.

Or do they? Reuters is now saying the missle crashed about 120 miles off Kunsan (halfway down South Korea’s west coast).

Steve Eggleston on April 12, 2012 at 8:29 PM

As many of their rockets fail you would think they were made in China or someplace.

docflash on April 12, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Shouldn’t have used that X-box as a guidance system.

Tim_CA on April 12, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Another Commie rocket taken down by MarioKart.

squint on April 12, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Don’t have a missile that falls in the ocean.

Get rid of cable.

Get DirectTV.

faraway on April 12, 2012 at 8:33 PM

What a break. Now there is a chance on buying him off before they try another that might work.

BL@KBIRD on April 12, 2012 at 8:27 PM

You mean, like, with free oil shipments or something???

WryTrvllr on April 12, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Wow, they’re gonna have to build a new wing onto the gulag, to hold all those rocket scientists and their families.

Ward Cleaver on April 12, 2012 at 8:34 PM

As many of their rockets fail you would think they were made in China or someplace.

docflash on April 12, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Only one thing worse than “Made in China”: “Made in Korea (North)”

Bitter Clinger on April 12, 2012 at 8:35 PM

None of this really happened; it’s all just a metaphor for Kim Jong Un’s erectile dysfunction.

Dopenstrange on April 12, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Shouldn’t have used that X-box as a guidance system.

Tim_CA on April 12, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Another Commie rocket taken down by MarioKart.

squint on April 12, 2012 at 8:32 PM

I’m thinking it was powered by Microsoft Windows Millenium Edition.

Bitter Clinger on April 12, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Well then, looks like Little Kim’s toy rocket lasted over twice as long as the last one. Back to the drawing boards boys and girls.

JusDreamin on April 12, 2012 at 8:41 PM

These people can’t launch a rocket and we’re worried about them launching an attack on us? Seriously?

manwithblackhat on April 12, 2012 at 8:05 PM

I was thinking the same thing. Makes you wonder about the quality of the uranium they’ve been enriching over the years.

Bitter Clinger on April 12, 2012 at 8:13 PM

What scares the people in the region isn’t the long range program, it’s the already proven medium range missiles they have, coupled with their robust chemical and biological weapons programs. And if Jonger Jr decides to start sliming his neighbors, stuff will go down. Add in a long range capability to the mix, and things get much more sketchy…

Tremor on April 12, 2012 at 8:42 PM

So how many are headed to the gulag this time?

GarandFan on April 12, 2012 at 8:42 PM

I’m thinking it was powered by Microsoft Windows Millenium Edition.

Bitter Clinger on April 12, 2012 at 8:37 PM

I can imagine Kim Jong the Younger Il shaking his fist and shouting: “Damn you Bill Gates!!”

squint on April 12, 2012 at 8:43 PM

@adriennemong tweeted:
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US officials also say #NorthKorea launch was monitored by US surveillance satellites, unmanned drones & 6 anti-missile US Navy warships

Submitted 29 mins ago from twitter.com/adriennemong
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canopfor on April 12, 2012 at 8:44 PM

canopfor on April 12, 2012 at 8:11 PM
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When the hell did they ever have prestige?!

squint on April 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM

squint:Lol,so true!

canopfor on April 12, 2012 at 8:45 PM

North Korea has Projectile Disfunction.

Kini on April 12, 2012 at 8:45 PM

So how many NK rocket technicians will die because of this, what’s the O/U?

Bishop on April 12, 2012 at 8:46 PM

When we started testing ICBMs, Atlas and Titan I, back about 1960, we had many failures before we were successful. Many of the failures occurred during staging as this apparently did. Staging failures caused failures of Minuteman I missils which were being test flown after being deployed for years.

burt on April 12, 2012 at 8:56 PM

North Korea has Projectile Disfunction.

Kini on April 12, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Aw, c’mon! Why is this not Thread Winner?

John the Libertarian on April 12, 2012 at 8:57 PM

If there was a leader in this country right after the fail, there would be a press release thanking the special ops for completion of their mission and let leave it at that.

tjexcite on April 12, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Nork missile failure?

Fluketastic!

BallisticBob on April 12, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Is it acceptable to say “serves them right?”

miron on April 12, 2012 at 9:04 PM

The initial reports of failure came from South Korean media, which described it in some detail. Their reporting sounds credible and makes sense.

J.E. Dyer on April 12, 2012 at 9:06 PM

When we started testing ICBMs, Atlas and Titan I, back about 1960, we had many failures before we were successful. Many of the failures occurred during staging as this apparently did. Staging failures caused failures of Minuteman I missils which were being test flown after being deployed for years.

burt on April 12, 2012 at 8:56 PM

The difference between us and them, however, is that we were doing it when the tech was new/experimental. Now, the science is out there, and even with governments out there actively trying to prevent them from being successful, the ability to, say, buy off some poor hungry Russian scientist and learn from others’ mistakes mean that they can cut the failure rate significantly.

Tremor on April 12, 2012 at 9:07 PM

North Korea has Projectile Disfunction.

Kini on April 12, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Dammit.
*stuffs impotent post in the trash*

RovesChins on April 12, 2012 at 9:09 PM

I wouldn’t worry about a long range launch unless the Norks figure out a way to shoot one out of a silo. It takes them a couple of weeks to build the rocket on the launchpad. That’s plenty of time to take it out if there were concerns about a nuke warhead.

Dack Thrombosis on April 12, 2012 at 9:12 PM

I blame Bush…

SaveFarris on April 12, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Unfortunately, Seoul is so close that all they have to do is catapult a nuke over the border for sucess, they don’t need no stinkin missiles to still be a major threat….

Canuckistan on April 12, 2012 at 9:13 PM

I blame Bush…

SaveFarris on April 12, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Too late. Andrea Mitchell was on MSNBC earlier blaming Bush for the breakdown in talks due to the Axis of Evil speech. She had nothing but glowing praise for Slick Willy’s efforts to reach out.

Dack Thrombosis on April 12, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Too late. Andrea Mitchell was on MSNBC earlier blaming Bush for the breakdown in talks due to the Axis of Evil speech. She had nothing but glowing praise for Slick Willy’s efforts to reach out.

Dack Thrombosis on April 12, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Yeah, that basketball did not do the trick. Hillary better come in with a bottle of Ripple and a bull mastiff.

RovesChins on April 12, 2012 at 9:19 PM

It’s time for the world to pay attention to US again!!!
/Norks

ted c on April 12, 2012 at 9:19 PM

North Korea has Projectile Disfunction.

Kini on April 12, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Kini:Lol,oh gawd,those two words!:)

canopfor on April 12, 2012 at 9:24 PM

North Korea has Projectile Disfunction.

Kini on April 12, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Yeah, but it was only 42 seconds…

My collie says:

…which makes it more like “Premature Emasculation”.

CyberCipher on April 12, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Capp on April 12, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Too funny.

Oh wait…

Cleombrotus on April 12, 2012 at 9:43 PM

X-Ray lasers are invisible…

ronsfi on April 12, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Sandra Fluke says:

The US should provide free missiles to NK, because its really humiliating to them when one of theirs blows up in mid-flight, and developing ICBM technology on your own costs a lot of money, so much that some countries, like NK, might not be able to feed everybody.

BobMbx on April 12, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Yeah, that basketball did not do the trick. Hillary better come in with a bottle of Ripple and a bull mastiff.

RovesChins on April 12, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Looking at the track record of Il Boys, Hillary could probably get more done with a pair of fishnet stockings and the “naughty librarian” outfit.

BobMbx on April 12, 2012 at 9:59 PM

I sho ronrey. oh sho ronrey.

tom2789 on April 12, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Update: Let’s say the NorKs had managed to launch this thing without a hitch and that it completed its 10-minute flight path before landing in the ocean. What incentive would leaders in the west (or the east, for that matter) have to report a successful long-range missile test by NK? All it would do is heighten panic over North Korea’s intentions, and the greater the panic, the greater the risk that South Korean or Japanese leaders would be forced into some sort of brinksmanship with Pyongyang that would end in a catastrophic war. The international consensus on NK has typically been to avoid poking the hornet’s nest for fear of what might fly out if you do. Confirming a successful test would, almost necessarily, require subsequent poking. That’s not to say western officials or anyone else are lying about tonight’s launch having gone bust, but I am curious as to why they’d report it accurately if they could keep it quiet and in so doing keep the public off their back while they plot a strategic response. In the interest of avoiding greater bloodshed, the world already looks the other way at the concentration camps run by the Kim family. If they’re willing to grudgingly tolerate something as filthy as that in the name of “peace,” why wouldn’t they fib about a missile test?

Actually, this is my default position. I’m assuming the NorKs were successful. Until and unless we come out with video showing the missile disintegrating during its flight, I’m thinking this is just propaganda on our part, to diffuse an already touchy situation.

As weird as it sounds, I’m thinking the burden of proof is on us, rather than the NorKs.

nukemhill on April 12, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Here’s a negative to making nations like North Korea and Iran seem like the greatest threat to freedom. When reality strikes and we see just how pathetic they REALLY are, all of a sudden all that propaganda we’ve been fed starts to piss us off.

Maybe we’ll realize. Yeah, North Korea sucks. It’s a poor, dark place with a bizarre and brutal government. But that’s THEIR business and THEIR responsibility to change. If THEY want a different SYSTEM then it’s up to THEM.

fatlibertarianinokc on April 12, 2012 at 10:28 PM

No_limit_ni66as gonna nigg

carbon_footprint on April 12, 2012 at 7:36 PM

What in the hell?

TexasDan on April 12, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Made with chinese parts.

msupertas on April 12, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Allahpundit wrote:

… That’s not to say western officials or anyone else are lying about tonight’s launch having gone bust, but I am curious as to why they’d report it accurately if they could keep it quiet and in so doing keep the public off their back while they plot a strategic response. …

And then nukemhill:

Actually, this is my default position. I’m assuming the NorKs were successful. Until and unless we come out with video showing the missile disintegrating during its flight, I’m thinking this is just propaganda on our part, to diffuse an already touchy situation.

As weird as it sounds, I’m thinking the burden of proof is on us, rather than the NorKs.

nukemhill on April 12, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Why wouldn’t we lie about a successful launch? Because this wasn’t just a missile test — it was supposed to put a satellite in orbit, and it’s nigh-impossible to pretend that a satellite isn’t in orbit. A new object in a polar (sun-synchronous) orbit is going to be fairly easy to track — there are very skilled amateur satellite spotters around the world, and some of them would love to catch the U.S. lying about something like this.

Besides, if we’re being Machiavellian, what better way for the U.S. military to reverse the budget-gutting than with the threat of the Norks dropping ICBMs on the West Coast? Accepting the premise that we’d lie about the test, I’d think we’d exaggerate success, not obscure it.

Darth Hippie on April 12, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Yeah, that basketball did not do the trick. Hillary better come in with a bottle of Ripple and a bull mastiff.

RovesChins on April 12, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Now, that’s a pretty rotten thing to say about Huma.

AZfederalist on April 13, 2012 at 12:02 AM

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canopfor on April 13, 2012 at 3:24 AM

Might be a Linky snafu,ugh,try this!

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/td-2-3rd-flighttest.htm

canopfor on April 13, 2012 at 3:26 AM

How in the heck does this regime stay in power, it is an abject failure. Don’t the North Korean people have the mettle to overthrow their oppressors?

SC.Charlie on April 13, 2012 at 6:37 AM

At Cape Canaveral there was always concern during a launch about getting the missile through “Maximum Q”. This is the point, usually near the end of the first stage burn, where the vehicle is seeing increasing aerodynamic air pressure as it accelerates. However, as the speed increases and the missile gets ‘higher’, the density of the air is steadily decreasing. These conditions combine to create a time where the force of the air on the missile’s structure will reach a maximum point.

During the launches, “Maximum Q”, or pressure, was always noted and some relief was felt as this hurdle was passed. Sounds like the North Koreans didn’t make it through this point of maximum pressure. I would hate to be the launch crew on this fiasco. Like ‘Goldilocks and the Three Bears’ … Make the airframe too strong, it will be too heavy for the launch…make it too light and it will break apart.

Uniblogger on April 13, 2012 at 7:32 AM

Commie impotence!!!

Schadenfreude on April 12, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Yeah, like Sputnik 1

DarkCurrent on April 13, 2012 at 9:57 AM

As many of their rockets fail you would think they were made in China or someplace.

docflash on April 12, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Heh. China conducted more successful space launches than the US last year.

DarkCurrent on April 13, 2012 at 10:15 AM

“The main audience for this missile is internal not external,” [former U.S. ambassador to South Korea Donald] Gregg said. “This is [Kim Jong Un's] way of demonstrating to the people of North Korea he is in charge and his country is capable of high tech things. It is a manifestation of his power.”

If this is a manifestation of Krazy Komrade Kim III’s power, it fell flat in more ways than one. Apparently Kim had wanted a lot of media coverage, in order to show the world that Kim meant business, and the whole world is laughing at him now. Kim’s PR campaign back home took a big hit.

Things could have been worse for Kim. If the intended flight path was over the Philippines and Indonesia, what would have been the reaction if the NorK missile had crashed into a city in either country? Why did North Korea launch the missile toward the south, where it could have crashed on land, instead of toward the east, over open ocean?

Steve Z on April 13, 2012 at 11:02 AM

The WH just announced they are thinking of imposing further sanctions on NK due to testing the missile. ISN’T THE HUMILIATION FROM THE RESULT OF THIS TEST ENOUGH?! LOL!

easyt65 on April 13, 2012 at 11:07 AM

I was thinking the same thing. Makes you wonder about the quality of the uranium they’ve been enriching over the years.

Bitter Clinger on April 12, 2012 at 8:13 PM

It’s good enough for at least a fizzle.

Steve Eggleston on April 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM

A rather pathetic fizzle at that.

2006 North Korean nuclear test – Russia claimed to have measured 5-15 kt yield, whereas the United States, France, and South Korea measured less than 1 kt yield.[8] This North Korean debut test was weaker than all other countries’ initial tests by a factor of 20,[9] and the smallest initial test in history.

That’s a quote from Wiki so validity is suspect. But their test was definitely a fizzle.

Oldnuke on April 13, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Why did North Korea launch the missile toward the south, where it could have crashed on land, instead of toward the east, over open ocean?

Steve Z on April 13, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Because that would have put it straight over Japan and they had made it clear they would shoot down anything that threatened them. Not that the NorKs had much clue about this, but you also have to pay attention to where the initial stages are likely to fall – and preferably put them in the ocean somewhere. The only direction they can do that from NK is south from the western coast.

dentarthurdent on April 13, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Why wouldn’t we lie about a successful launch? Because this wasn’t just a missile test — it was supposed to put a satellite in orbit, and it’s nigh-impossible to pretend that a satellite isn’t in orbit. A new object in a polar (sun-synchronous) orbit is going to be fairly easy to track — there are very skilled amateur satellite spotters around the world, and some of them would love to catch the U.S. lying about something like this.

Besides, if we’re being Machiavellian, what better way for the U.S. military to reverse the budget-gutting than with the threat of the Norks dropping ICBMs on the West Coast? Accepting the premise that we’d lie about the test, I’d think we’d exaggerate success, not obscure it.

Darth Hippie on April 12, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Fair point. But the NorKs have admitted to the failure, so it’s moot.

nukemhill on April 13, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Rmoney™ looking for $, might want to put some effort into asking us small donors.

Bmore on April 13, 2012 at 11:13 AM

seriously, you can’t make up the garbage you guys spew! One ABR complains that only the rich ones should be supporting our candidate, and two minutes later another ABR says they won’t support unless Romney asks small donors!

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AirForceCane on April 13, 2012 at 2:03 PM

You’re funny! So by your wording, Rmoney™ should not ask for donations from smaller contributers. Good luck with that. ; ) As for me I don’t go lock step with anyone. Still funny though!

Bmore on April 13, 2012 at 2:59 PM

this has pretty much been your playbook all along for the lib trolls- no matter WHAT his campaign does, you will always be around to whine and complain like little children…

AirForceCane on April 13, 2012 at 2:03 PM

In case you don’t get why your comment is funny. Let me clue you in. I’m as far from a lib as you’ll find on HA.
I’m a bit older than a child. I like to think I still have a child like sense of humor. So it was good to see that you do too.

Bmore on April 13, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Bmore on April 13, 2012 at 2:59 PM
Bmore on April 13, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Funny! Please ignore these two comments. I was on a conference call and trying to respond to someone on a different thread. I accidentally switched between Chrome and Iron. I have been trying out the browser Iron to replace Chrome with. Still Funny though!

Bmore on April 13, 2012 at 3:34 PM

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