T. Boone Pickens: I’ve lost my a** in wind power

posted at 4:45 pm on April 11, 2012 by Tina Korbe

On MSNBC’s Morning Joe today, oil magnate T. Boone Pickens boasted of his oil, gas, wind and solar bona fides — and accused the president of not just having a poor national energy policy, but of having no national energy policy at all (h/t NewsBusters).

Co-host Mika Brzezinski said that domestic oil production is up, and asked her guest what the Obama administration has done that is good concerning energy.

“Well, they don’t have an energy policy,” answered Pickens. Brzezinski followed by asking if Obama has done anything to increase oil production. He replied, “It has nothing to do with the administration…We’ve gotten someplace, but it’s because of technology advanced by the industry.”

“What’s getting ready to happen to you,” offered Pickens, “the horizontal drilling and the multiple frack zones in it, that’s all going, it’s going to be exported away from America. Is that bad? No, it’s not bad. It’s an industry developed here, share with other people, develop reserves.”

“Let me tell you,” Pickens continued, “you are looking at a fundamental change in energy globally is what you have. The OPEC nations are going to have the power taken away from them that they’ve enjoyed for the last twenty years.”

Pickens also said he couldn’t think of a single time in the last 40 years when government truly facilitated energy production and said he knows not to expect the advancement of any kind of coherent policy before the election because “Obama’s hands are tied.” “The greenies and the Left” would punish Obama for any defection, for any kind of support (or at least lack of punishment) for oil and gas production, even though “the jobs are in the oil and natural gas industry.”

It was unclear precisely what policy Pickens was promoting, but, for all that he’s arguably invested more than anyone else in renewable energy, he made it clear he doesn’t think the time to transition to wind and solar is now:

“I’m in the wind business … I’ve lost my ass in the business.”

Host Joe Scarborough said laughing, “You’ve invested more in alternative energy than anybody else.”

“Exactly,” replied Pickens. “My issue is not political. I mean, this is an opportunity for America to advance, get on the back of cheap energy and recover your economy. It can be done, but we have no plan.”

Pickens continued, “Obama needs to go in, study it, look at it, and decide what an energy plan is, and then go forward with it. He needs to explain to his people, ‘Hey, we can get on everything green. We can get on everything renewable. Then the cost of power will go up ten times.’ So be careful when you start fooling with it. Know what you’re working with.”

With that last comment, Pickens hit the nail on the head: At some point, the president and all those responsible for the nation’s energy policies have to decide whether affordability or renewability should take priority. Private companies can and should be investing in renewable energy, but government shouldn’t be propping them up — and government certainly shouldn’t be trying to force a transition to fuels that are presently economically unviable.

Given the abundance of clean, affordable natural gas, the idea that we have to choose between “dirty” fossil fuels and “clean” renewables is obsolete. The choice is actually between a clean, affordable fossil fuel and clean, but expensive renewables. Once we recognize natural gas as the ideal bridge fuel, we’ll then have a choice between a government-based or market-based method of incentivizing the transition. That’s where Pickens and I depart: He’s fine with subsidies for natural gas, whereas I think the market will eventually take care of the transition itself.


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T. Boone Pickens was never in the alternative energy business to make money. It was all a corrupt scheme to secure water and mineral rights on land he couldn’t buy outright. Apparently that little scheme failed, too.

gryphon202 on April 11, 2012 at 4:47 PM

So have a lot of birds

NOMOBO on April 11, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Jesus Mika, could you cheer any harder for Barry.

reddevil on April 11, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Blah, blah, blah.

T.Boone will still vote for King Obama and donate to his campaign.

JPeterman on April 11, 2012 at 4:49 PM

And so?

CynicalOptimist on April 11, 2012 at 4:50 PM

“I lost my A** with wind power because I couldn’t get the taxpayer to float my project!”

Wander on April 11, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Jesus Mika, could you cheer any harder for Barry.

reddevil on April 11, 2012 at 4:48 PM

They started putting a bucket under her chair.
As far as wi d power. Put a windmill on the White House lawn. Plenty of hot air there.

RovesChins on April 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM

gryphon202 on April 11, 2012 at 4:47 PM

You are correct, sir. A little Ogalalla Aquifer in the 8 year old, 107 proof bourbon for you.

M240H on April 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Yeah enough fracking around with subsidies it will get there on it’s own and not destroy the economy in the process, just look at Spain’s success at subsidizing failure.

Imrahil on April 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Wasn’t he asking for major government money for wind power not too long ago? It’s soooo good you need government money to make it work.

Oil Can on April 11, 2012 at 4:52 PM

“Exactly,” replied Pickens. “My issue is not political. I mean, this is an opportunity for America to advance, get on the back of cheap energy and recover your economy. It can be done, but we have no plan.”
Pickens continued, “Obama needs to go in, study it, look at it, and decide what an energy plan is, and then go forward with it. He needs to explain to his people, ‘Hey, we can get on everything green. We can get on everything renewable. Then the cost of power will go up ten times.’ So be careful when you start fooling with it. Know what you’re working with.”

This is asinine. Why in he11 do we need the government to come up with an energy plan? Get the government out of the way of energy producers and the market (along with technology) will determine where we head.

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2012 at 4:52 PM

T. Boone Pickens was never in the alternative energy business to make money. It was all a corrupt scheme to secure water and mineral rights on land he couldn’t buy outright. Apparently that little scheme failed, too.

gryphon202 on April 11, 2012 at 4:47 PM

I always figured there was something underhanded going on with that guy. I feel the same thing watching Buffet whenever he opens his yap.

squint on April 11, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Translation: Obama treats Canada like the enemy=Obama is the enemy of our ally.

Ergo Obama is the enemy.

Tell us something we don’t know, T-bone.

Western_Civ on April 11, 2012 at 4:53 PM

“I’m in the wind business … I’ve lost my ass in the business.”

Somehow he’ll have to do with the remaining billions in his bank account.

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Pickens continued, “you are looking at a fundamental change in energy globally is what you have. The OPEC nations are going to have the power taken away from them that they’ve enjoyed for the last twenty years.

The OPEC nations are going to have the power taken away from them that they’ve enjoyed for the last twenty years—–and that can’t be allowed to happen, allahuakbar !!!

Right Hussein ?

burrata on April 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM

T Boone Pickens is as bad as Donald Trump.

Watching McCain & Obama grovel to him the last election cycle made my stomach turn.

portlandon on April 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM

How many birds did you kill Mr. Pickens? And, were any on the endangered species list?

SC.Charlie on April 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Haha

thebrokenrattle on April 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Another crony capitalist admits defeat.

Anyone who paid attention remembers his commercials calling for America to invest in wind and solar energy. Democrats used Pickens as a prop for various campaign ads.

His whole model depended on the taxpayers picking up the tab. Seems like it didn’t happen so he “lost his ass” in it.

Kind of like Lightsquared.

Flashwing on April 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM

T Boone was in it to get government money from a boondogle. If he got his ass burned from this desire, then it is justified.

love2rumba on April 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Boo Hoo.

T. Boone is a crook.

On to his next scam.

tetriskid on April 11, 2012 at 4:58 PM

This is asinine. Why in he11 do we need the government to come up with an energy plan? Get the government out of the way of energy producers and the market (along with technology) will determine where we head. – Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Government is not part of the solution, it is part of the problem!

SC.Charlie on April 11, 2012 at 4:59 PM

So has the American taxpayers funding this krap, t boone! Not only this but the solar krap, t boone! The taxpayers have lost and lost and lost under bho on everything that slimy worm has put taxpayers money into, t boone!
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letget on April 11, 2012 at 4:59 PM

I laugh.

SouthernGent on April 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Pickens is a scam artist with his hand out to the government.

blue13326 on April 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Crony capitalism is really on the run if T Boone-doggle is forced to admit “losing his ass” on those failed taxpayer-funded wind power schemes.

They started putting a bucket under her chair.

At MessNBC it’s called the “Leg Thrill Receptacle” (“LTR”).

smiley on April 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Well, even if ‘wind power’ is just some liberal wet dream…you gotta love those windmills just sitting out there across the land….

like big monuments to the sheer stupidity of liberals....

the eco-scammers are the only real winners…guys like ALGore…charlatans made filthy rich by turning liberalism into profit at taxpayers expense..

BigSven on April 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Sounds as if TBone couldn’t get on the DOE loan short list. Better your azz than mine, Pick.

Kissmygrits on April 11, 2012 at 5:07 PM

“I’m in the wind business … I’ve lost my ass in the business.”

If only that were so.

Dante on April 11, 2012 at 5:07 PM

T. Boone Pickens: I’ve lost my a** in wind power

Tough $hit, you gambled on technology without doing your due diligence and you lost.

SWalker on April 11, 2012 at 5:08 PM

“but we work with the Canadians..ah..like..they’re the enemy
sometimes”
………..T Boone Pickens
==========================

This current Administration is hostile towards its own
‘allies’,Poland,Georgia,Canada to name a few,absolutely
*NUTS*!!!

canopfor on April 11, 2012 at 5:08 PM

“I’m in the wind business … I’ve lost my ass in the business.”

Apparently T.Boone doesn’t know Secretary Chu’s phone number, otherwise he could have had his losses recouped with a DoE loan.

BobMbx on April 11, 2012 at 5:09 PM

He’s got several buildings in Texas named after him, so he can’t be doing that bad.

drflykilla on April 11, 2012 at 5:09 PM

I’m sorry, explain to me why private companies should be investing in renewables like wind, solar and biomass? I want my power to be reliable and cheap, none of the renewables that are currently in vogue meet that criteria, and the greenies won’t let you count hydro-electric.

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on April 11, 2012 at 5:10 PM

“I lost your ass in wind power.”

–Obama, to the taxpayers

the wolf on April 11, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Good. You should have known better. Wind is a loser.

But natural gas is a winner. Hope you make it all back and then some, with natural gas.

petefrt on April 11, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Aaahhhh…

… the memories.

T. Boone Pickens TV Commercial

Seven Percent Solution on April 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Aaahhhh…

… the memories.

T. Boone Pickens TV Commercial

Seven Percent Solution on April 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM

T Boone’s plan was the same plan he used to become a billionaire with in the first place, bend the middle class over and royally screw them.

SWalker on April 11, 2012 at 5:16 PM

….and another dumb question from Mika.

She has become such a caricature of the Left, I like to watch for entertainment value.

Tater Salad on April 11, 2012 at 5:16 PM

apparently he hasnt heard about the success that Mitch Daniels has had with wind power in Indiana. Farmers in Indiana are reaping the benefits of the additional (mostly) free income provides. A billionaire however is going to have a hard time making money off wind power. I would estimate that Pickens is having a hard time theses days making money because he has become a dinosaur in the energy field.

jayhawkboilermaker on April 11, 2012 at 5:17 PM

I saw T Boone on with Lou Dobbs last night and he is all about getting the heck out of the Middle East. The man came loaded for bear to bring energy production back to the US and was really on a jig about natural gas.

And then he went all in for subsidizing natgas and blamed the Repubs for not voting with the dem senate to do so. That guy is still trying to get his abundent stake in natgas out on the market but paid for by the consumer to develope the infrastructure with borrowed money.

I guess dems (at one time) would subsidize natural gas but want to remove structural tax law for oil. And they’ll throw scads away for unicorn farts just because they can.

DanMan on April 11, 2012 at 5:18 PM

At least many here see through T-Bone’s BS. Pickens is as big government as any progressive. He may be fine with Republican Party hacks, but if you’re a real conservative or libertarian, he’s an embarrassment to your cause no matter how many cash bones he’s thrown you:

According to Business Week, Pickens owns more water than any other individual in the country through water rights in the Ogallala aquifer under the same land he is putting turbines up on. And now Pickens is working to get a deal to transport both his wind and water over to Dallas. “The wind is meant to sweeten the deal,” Texas State Rep Warren Chisum tells BW. “The big money for Pickens is in the water.”

He lost his ass trying to make others lose theirs. He gathered all the government muscle he could to do it, too:

Pickens had his lobbyists exert pressure on the Texas legislature to give joint energy and water transmission lines right-of-way. To get the power of eminent domain Pickens formed his own eight-acre water district on his property and now has the power to annex land “for the common good.”

He didn’t stop there:

But Pickens’s lobbying powers aren’t limited to the Lone Star state. Pickens testified…in front of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee. Pickens told Congress to expand the scope of eminent domain and right-of-way, which are currently controlled at the state level, so companies like his Mesa Wind and Water can operate across state lines.

This is the kind of scumbag that gives capitalism a bad name.

cartooner on April 11, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Wasn’t TBone in bed with Pelosi in all of this?

docflash on April 11, 2012 at 5:19 PM

I guess Soros and Brazil have more clout.

WryTrvllr on April 11, 2012 at 5:19 PM

He’s got several buildings in Texas named after him, so he can’t be doing that bad.

drflykilla on April 11, 2012 at 5:09 PM

see Okalhoma State University for his edifice

DanMan on April 11, 2012 at 5:20 PM

I guess Soros and Petrobas have more clout.

WryTrvllr on April 11, 2012 at 5:20 PM

“I lost my A** with wind power because I couldn’t get the taxpayer to float my project!”

Wander on April 11, 2012 at 4:50 PM

well,better than Solyndra who lost our collective azz :-(…

jimver on April 11, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Wasn’t TBone in bed with Pelosi in all of this?

round of brain bleach for the house barkeep! on me

DanMan on April 11, 2012 at 5:21 PM

His wife is still a bat$hit crazy beyotch.
Trying to get the Feds to give her a bunch of money to ‘save’ wild {FERAL} horses.
That plan fell through.
Gee I wonder why?
Could it be the property won’t support the critters she was planning to ‘save’?
Even these rich people are damned parasitic.
So pray tell is the husband involved in trying to get Federal dollars too?

Badger40 on April 11, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Seeing as how Pelousy was also greatly vested in Wind Power like T. Boone Pickens was, I wonder if she too lost her nasty stinkin derierre on it. [fingers crossed]

DannoJyd on April 11, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Would you say that wind power is a Boone-doggle.

philoquin on April 11, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Don’t trust this guy. Everything that comes out of his mouth is lies or half-truths. He’s burned hundreds of business partners, including my late grandfather, and I’ve got the documents to prove it. I cannot understand why anyone wants his opinion on anything, and yet time and time again he’s out in the forefront acting like he’s advocating any policy for the betterment of many rather than the betterment of one.

The only place T. Boone is not hated is in Stillwater, OK, and that university is making a huge mistake in having him be their spokesman.

Chad_ on April 11, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Soros wins!!!

WryTrvllr on April 11, 2012 at 5:26 PM

gryphon202 on April 11, 2012 at 4:47 PM

And wasn’t there a deal cooked up to buy the “Air Rights” over specific parcels as well?

OkieDoc on April 11, 2012 at 5:27 PM

round of brain bleach for the house barkeep! on me

DanMan on April 11, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Make mine a double, neat.

BobMbx on April 11, 2012 at 5:28 PM

The problem is a lot of people who don’t know the difference between a BTU and a kw have been allowed to make decisions. They knock down hydropower dams and then want to build windmills that kill birds.

There will never be enough renewable to power 15% of our energy demands. Nuclear fission or fusion is our only way to the future for our base load electricity requirements.

aniptofar on April 11, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Private companies can and should be investing in renewable energy,

Well, only if it’s profitable for them…what they should and shouldn’t be doing is not up to us.

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 11, 2012 at 5:29 PM

There will never be enough renewable to power 15% of our energy demands. Nuclear fission or fusion is our only way to the future for our base load electricity requirements.

aniptofar on April 11, 2012 at 5:29 PM

I’m investing in whale oil and buffalo chips. In 50 years, I’ll own the energy industry in this country.

BobMbx on April 11, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Get the government out of the way of energy producers and the market (along with technology) will determine where we head.

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2012 at 4:52 PM

THAT would be the best plan of all.

dentarthurdent on April 11, 2012 at 5:35 PM

The choice is actually between a clean, affordable fossil fuel and clean, but expensive renewables. Once we recognize natural gas as the ideal bridge fuel, we’ll then have a choice between a government-based or market-based method of incentivizing the transition.

Without nuclear and hydro the choice is between fossil fuels and a pre Industrial Age existence. “Renewables” (wind and solar) will not ever power America’s electrical grid. Wind and solar are, and always will be, strictly point of use supplements to other forms of energy generation.
Transportation will depend on fossil fuels for a long time to come. Oil will eventually be made obsolete as a transportation fuel but not by any technology we’re capable of creating now.
There will be no transition from fossil fuels to wind and solar without a drastic reduction in our industrial economy and use of modern technology.

single stack on April 11, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Duh.

Bmore on April 11, 2012 at 5:42 PM

I’m investing in whale oil and buffalo chips. In 50 years, I’ll own the energy industry in this country.

BobMbx on April 11, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Hunting whales is illegal. Now if you can figure a way to humanely milk the oil from them you might have something……

dentarthurdent on April 11, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Oh, and Good.

Bmore on April 11, 2012 at 5:42 PM

T. Boone should order his employees to eat beans for lunch.

Problem solved!

profitsbeard on April 11, 2012 at 5:43 PM

I’ve lost my a** in wind power

T. Boone Pickens = sucker!

cicerone on April 11, 2012 at 5:44 PM

“Obama needs to go in, study it, look at it, and decide what an energy plan is, and then go forward with it.”

The plan was to get elected – everything else was supposed to magically fall in place. His aura alone was going to calm the seas, remember? Secondly, asking an ideologue like Obama to look at empirical evidence and draw a rational, apolitical conclusion is like asking a leading Luddite to explore the technological possibilities of mechanized looms.

Come on T. Boone – he needs the Luddites for reelection. Everything else is secondary.

stout77 on April 11, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Jesus Mika, could you cheer any harder for Barry.

reddevil on April 11, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Are you talking to Jesus or to Mika? Or do you just like taking Jesus Christ’s name in vain more than Mohammed or Buddha?

Nutstuyu on April 11, 2012 at 5:55 PM

I used to have tremendous respect for Pickens. But over the years he has become a crony capitalist of the highest order. Now he’s mad at Obama for funding solar and not wind. Serves him right.

I really did enjoy him in Dr. Strangelove, though. When he was riding that nuclear bomb like a bucking bronco…classic.

rogaineguy on April 11, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Given the abundance of clean, affordable natural gas, the idea that we have to choose between “dirty” fossil fuels and “clean” renewables is obsolete. The choice is actually between a clean, affordable fossil fuel and clean, but expensive renewables. Once we recognize natural gas as the ideal bridge fuel, we’ll then have a choice between a government-based or market-based method of incentivizing the transition.

Natural gas could be an excellent “bridge” fuel for the transition, but government shouldn’t be incentivizing ANY fuel or energy source. The government should get the “frack” out of the way, and let the market develop these resources for the best. The only government role should be to establish realistic limits for environmental protection, then enforce them equally across the board.

Steve Z on April 11, 2012 at 6:02 PM

You did not lose it…You still ARE!
Boone is a Bone!

KOOLAID2 on April 11, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Once we recognize natural gas as the ideal bridge fuel, we’ll then have a choice between a government-based or market-based method of incentivizing the transition.

Bridge fuel? OK, so then we have bought the argument that fossil fuels are destroying the enviroment and eventually must be replaced. This “bridge fuel” argument is just pie in the sky. Give them an inch and they will take the mile on our dime.

jims on April 11, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Scheming schemers and the scheming schemes they scheme.

Knott Buyinit on April 11, 2012 at 6:16 PM

I hate wind farms. They are a blight on the landscape.

Fallon on April 11, 2012 at 6:34 PM

T. Boone Pickens: I’ve lost my a** in wind power

You don’t say, Big Wind wasn’t the answer huh? Who’d a thunk….

Dr Evil on April 11, 2012 at 6:51 PM

The people loosing on “wind power” are the American people who are forced to pay for this political payoff scheme, bilking the taxpayer for worthless, redundant nonsense.

Tigerbythetail on April 11, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Mika “knee-pads” Brzezinski. Besides that her only talent is having the last name Brzezinski.

kjl291 on April 11, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Hilarious! Its awesome because Pickens has been one of the guys advocating subsidies for novelty energy like wind and solar. It seems he may have learned something.

At the same time, I disagree with his repeated arguments for an “energy policy”. That sounds like central planning to me. Our policy should be to repeal energy production bans and to remove all subsidies.

netster007x on April 11, 2012 at 7:45 PM

This guy is SURPRISED he lost his a$$ in the wind business? How smart can this numbskull be?

Intrepid767 on April 11, 2012 at 8:15 PM

‘Hey, we can get on everything green. We can get on everything renewable. Then the cost of power will go up ten times.’

-
No sh*t Sherlock…
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RalphyBoy on April 11, 2012 at 8:21 PM

I heard enough just befor the two minute mark.

TBP is eating crow for trying to push on us what we already knew – wind power doesn’t work.

madmonkphotog on April 11, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Had to laugh today when I heard on the news that natural gas prices fell sharply because of the glut of it on the market. We can drill our way out of this, after all. Econ 101, Baby!

College Prof on April 11, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Pickens continued, “Obama needs to go in, study it, look at it, and decide what an energy plan is, and then go forward with it.

Good luck with that. Obozo is a Harvard Constitutional Professor that obviously has no idea what’s in the Constitution.

Phil-351 on April 11, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Guess Pickens didn’t get as much money from Obama as he thought he would. Too many crony capitalists to compete against. Glad some of them didn’t get as much as they thought they would. He lost his ass? Give me a break. Americans lost their jobs and their homes because of corrupt crony capitalist like this dirt bag. He was out there beating the drum for wind and now he say it was too soon. He didn’t know that to begin with? How long has this man been in the energy business? Spare me the lies, Pickens. And get off the public dime.

Charm on April 11, 2012 at 8:55 PM

You know… technically speaking Hydro carbon based energy IS a “renewable resource”

I mean it’s basically (Carbon-based Organic Matter) + (Pressure) + (Heat) + (Time) + (lesser variables) = Hydrocarbon Fuel

Basically by increasing any particular variable, you can decrease the others, as shown by the advent of “bio-diesel” made from seed oils. Basically Plant to Hydrocarbons in a few weeks.

(Technically, Bio-diesel is an absurd name. Strictly speaking it doesn’t matter what the actual source is, so long as the fuel meets the requirements of ASTM-D975 specifications. But I digress.)

The Point is, that the term “non-renewable resources” is not really appropriate any more for hydro-carbon based fuels. (I am curious as to whether other hydrocarbon products beyond energy products are as easily replicable, Asphalt, for instance.)

Jones Zemkophill on April 11, 2012 at 11:57 PM

No one in this administration has ever run so much as a lemonade stand and none have a clue of how to make a sound business decision.

dunce on April 12, 2012 at 3:40 AM

“That’s where Pickens and I depart: He’s fine with subsidies for natural gas, whereas I think the market will eventually take care of the transition itself.”

That is precisely why Pickens wants subsidies. We’re producing so much of it that the price is cut-throat low.

IMAO we should use that fact to take back the large industries that we let escape. Let’s get back to making our own steel, for example.

{^_-}

herself on April 12, 2012 at 4:06 AM

The fact that T Boone lost “his ass” on wind power makes me chuckle. Not because a rich guy is taking it in the shorts, but because he wanted us to take it in the shorts by making us sudsidise his grand scheme.

jpmn on April 12, 2012 at 6:03 AM

Government has no business having an “energy policy.” The market responds to needs quite well, and government can only destroy. If we didn’t learn the latter from the Soviet Union and their 5 year plans, then man is too stupid to engage in civilization. Frankly, given what we see in the US electorate that’s probably true.

Quartermaster on April 12, 2012 at 8:19 AM

A friend of mine, while living in Utah (I am not sure where) had a van that could run on either gasoline or compressed natural gas. He said that in Utah there were many places he could fill up his natural gas cylinder. It was cheaper per mile than gasoline.

When he moved out here to Virginia he found that the closest place he could fill up the natural gas cylinder was in Maryland, so it was not convienient or cheaper once you factored in having to drive there to get it.

Why don’t we start building more stations that can service these types of vehicles and have automobile companies produce them? It seems to me that it would be a win/win.

DuctTapeMyBrain on April 12, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Why don’t we start building more stations that can service these types of vehicles and have automobile companies produce them? It seems to me that it would be a win/win.

DuctTapeMyBrain on April 12, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Go ahead & start one.
I imagine you’ll then find out why no one is.
Imagine the start up costs complying will all sorts of OSHA & EPA regs,insurance costs for your station, equipment start up $$, etc.
No one is making these things bcs why bother at this point?
Everything like this takes boatloads of MONEY.
And since the govt makes it very difficult to get anything started, there are evidently other venues that are easier to make $$ at.
It is a shame.

Badger40 on April 12, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Another person who doesn’t know where his posterior ends and his beast of burden begins. Or has he really lost a donkey-like creature in a wind farm?

YiZhangZhe on April 12, 2012 at 11:53 AM

A few comparisons to consider:

The Gujarat Solar Project in India will be the worlds largest if it ever gets built. It will cover ~58 square miles of land, have a maximum output of 3,000 MW with a capacity factor of roughly 19% which comes out to 13,680 MW hours per day.

The largest nuclear reactor facility in North America is the Bruce NPP in Ontario Canada. It covers less than four square miles, has a maximum output of 7,000 MW and a capacity factor of 91% which adds up to 151,200 megawatt hours per day.

Nuclear generates more than 100 times the watt-hours per square mile of land, And it runs 24/7 regardless of weather.

Brookhaven National Laboratory has designed a mobile nuclear reactor to power remote outposts, military bases, remote communities and can even be deployed to disaster areas, is about the size of a semi-trailer truck has a 50 MW output and weighs about 40 tons.

The largest wind turbine in the world is the Enercon E-126 with a max 7.5 MW output, is as tall as a 45 story building and weighs in at a whopping 6,000 tons.

To match just the maximum output of the Brookhaven mobile reactor, you would need 42,000 tons of steel and concrete to match the 40 ton reactor. And that’s not taking into account the abysmal capacity factor common to all “green” or “renewable” energy sources (20 to 30% for wind).

If Pickens lost his a** on wind, then he deserved to. There’s only one reason companies go into “green” energy, and that’s government handouts. Wind and solar can’t stay afloat any other way except by artificial support.

As an Albertan, I love the fossil fuel industry (though I wish we could sell our oil to you, our allies, rather than China, but unfortunately, your C-in-C is a traitor who hates his country). But we need to plan for the end of the fossil fuel era. And there is only one option that would allow us to move in that direction while preserving technological civilization on this planet.

In persuing wind, Pickens has shown himself to be either a naive, idealistic ignoramus, or a cynical manipulative fraud, liar and a cheat who seeks to enrich himself of taxpayer dollars (aka “a democrat”).

Alberta_Patriot on April 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM

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