Breaking: Zimmerman to be charged in Martin shooting; Update: Zimmerman arrested, charged with 2nd-degree murder

posted at 2:56 pm on April 11, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

So says the Washington Post:

Florida special prosecutor Angela Corey plans to announce as early as Wednesday afternoon that she is charging neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman in the shooting ofTrayvon Martin, according to a law enforcement official close to the investigation.

It was not immediately clear what charge Zimmerman will face. …

Corey told reporters Tuesday night that she would hold a news conference about the case within 72 hours. A news release from her office said the event will be held in Sanford or Jacksonville, Fla.

The latest update on the case before now was that his attorneys had resigned from the case, and that they had lost contact with Zimmerman.  Given the bounties that groups like the New Black Panther Party tried to put on his head, his disappearance is somewhat understandable.  Today, former Zimmerman attorney Hal Uhrig expanded on what he knew about Zimmerman’s whereabouts:

“You can stop looking in Florida,” Uhrig told reporters. “Look much further away than that.”

A few days ago, I wrote that we needed to let the investigation proceed and have the facts established on the record, rather than to continue speculating through the prism of media bias and competing agendas, as has been the case for the last couple of weeks.  If the Post proves accurate with this report, it appears that the special prosecutor in the case has found evidence that Zimmerman’s use of lethal force does not meet the statutory requirements for its use in self-defense.  That evidence will have to be weighed by a jury, and they will have to decide whether the prosecutor can prove that case to a reasonable doubt.

Of course, a trial can’t start until Zimmerman returns to the jurisdiction, if in fact he’s left it at all.  But thanks to the way that this case has been handled by the media and by activists, there will be some reasonable doubt as to whether Zimmerman can get a fair trial.  Media outlets broadcast defamatory and false information about Zimmerman, and some even became activists themselves in the case.  Florida should be able to find twelve people who can fairly judge the evidence presented at trial and only that evidence, but it won’t be an easy task to seat such a panel.

Finally, as I suspected all along, the Stand Your Ground law appears to have nothing to do with this case (although it still might be argued by the defense, of course).  If the law was a problem, the prosecutor wouldn’t be able to file charges against Zimmerman.  This case will hinge instead on the normal, core self-defense laws governing the use of lethal force.  Let’s hope we can all wait to see the evidence and weigh it properly in that context when the time comes.

Update: CNS News provides more insight on why Stand Your Ground is irrelevant in this case, courtesy of Ken Blackwell and Ken Klukowski of Liberty University School of Law:

Under any version of the facts, Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law did not apply in the Trayvon Martin incident. If Zimmerman pursued a confrontation with Martin, then Zimmerman was an attacker and cannot claim SYG. If Zimmerman’s account is true that he was on the ground and Martin was on top of him, then retreat was impossible, so there would be no duty to retreat anyway. A victim in such a situation can use deadly force, but only if he reasonably believes he is being attacked with deadly force.

To our knowledge, that is the law in all fifty states. It was the law before SYG statutes were ever passed, and SYG did nothing to change it.

So why is this not common knowledge after all the reporting on the Martin shooting? Tragically, some anti-gun activists are misinforming the public. They are aided by media commentators who failed the public trust by not researching and understanding the SYG issue before presuming to editorialize on it.

The police are usually not at hand when you are attacked by a criminal. The Second Amendment guarantees the right of law-abiding people to defend themselves. And laws like Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground have restored that right in states where it had been eroded, not to take innocent life, but instead to preserve it.

Be sure to read it all, as they also discuss the high standard involving the legitimate use of lethal force.

Update II: The prosecutor filed second-degree murder charges, and the AP reports that Zimmerman has been arrested:

The neighborhood watch volunteer who shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was arrested and charged with second-degree murder Wednesday after months of mounting tensions and protests across the country.

George Zimmerman, 28, could get up to life in prison if convicted in the slaying of the unarmed black teenager.

Special prosecutor Angela Corey announced the charges but would not discuss how she arrived at them or disclose other details of her investigation, saying: “That’s why we try cases in court.”

Second-degree murder is typically brought in cases when there is a fight or other confrontation that results in death and but does involve a premeditated plan to kill.

Manslaughter would have been another option, so it’s interesting that she went with murder two.  I assume that this means the prosecution believes they can prove that Zimmerman pursued Martin and shot him, but we’ll know more when the preliminary hearing comes.

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Oh give me a break. The woman who is charging him is a republican appointed by the republican governor. For her to charge him, she must feel the way the lead investigator felt when he wanted him charged with killing him. She’s well known as hardcore and not easy on criminals.

really sting? the prosecutor’s party affiliation means something??? uhh, because you think zimmerman was a republican? or because he/s “white”? you sound very informed by telling us all how the lead investigator “felt”. are you two best friends???

jetch on April 11, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Guys, I’m going to leave you to it. I’m got stuff to do, and I’ve already got a bad feeling about this thread.

Again, to the management, my comment seems to have disappeared, but I wasn’t trolling.

So that means that management is keeping a sharp eye on the thread.

What I wrote was an eyewitness account of what I saw in the L.A. riots, but if that’s not germane then I guess we all should tread carefully.

Have a nice day, all!

cane_loader on April 11, 2012 at 3:30 PM

I don’t believe in bans but ObummerDeranger get a grip – advocating anyone’s death is terribly bad form.

CorporatePiggy on April 11, 2012 at 3:30 PM

This prosecutor was chosen because she has track record of being very “Pro-Victim”.

portlandon on April 11, 2012 at 3:31 PM

I have to say that I believe this is eminently worthy of the ban hammer…since it was directed towards me…and my family…

PatriotRider on April 11, 2012 at 3:23 PM

PatriotRider on April 11, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Grow fins went after mine and it didn’t get banned. Though, I’m sure this thread is being watched.

cozmo on April 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Ed:

I have to say that I believe this is eminently worthy of the ban hammer…since it was directed towards me…and my family…

PatriotRider on April 11, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Ed’s om air atm, I reported it. Hopefully others have also.

dogsoldier on April 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM

The police told Zimmerman not to follow him

No, the dispatcher recommended he not follow him. It wasn’t an order.

As long as you’re peaceful and on public property, you have the right to follow anyone you want.

Zimmerman would not of died from an attack from Martin

Now you’re a physician. Witnesses say Martin was banging Zimmerman’s head on the sidewalk and hitting him in the face. Both could be fatal.

NoDonkey on April 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Good to see reverse OJ syndrome alive and well at HA!

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 3:28 PM

I bet you contributed to the Zimmerman bounty. Do you want him dead or alive?

darwin on April 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM

After a change in venue, it will be 2nd degree, tops. With no priors… IF he’s found guilty… 7 years. Prosecution has a tough road ahead.

VietVet_Dave on April 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM

RAAAAACIST!

Laura in Maryland on April 11, 2012 at 3:27 PM

LOL!

Resist We Much on April 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Adjoran on April 11, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Check your facts, lie detector tests are NOT admissible in Florida. So results from that test do not matter either way.

damian1967 on April 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Blacks do not lynch people. Let’s not forget who are the real racists.

Yes, let’s not forget.

clearbluesky on April 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM

If he flees, then he’s definitely guilty. An innocent man stands and fights.

Outlander on April 11, 2012 at 3:24 PM

I disagree. The guy has been in hiding for a month. He knows the moment he emerges from whatever basement he’s holed up in to turn himself in, he’s a dead man. Whether it’s on his way to the courthouse, during the trial, in prison(assuming he’s found guilty), or after the trial and/or prison term, I don’t see how he survives. For God’s sake, there’s a bounty on the guy’s head! When the hell was the last time anyone who wasn’t on the FBI’s most wanted list was subjected to that? The Old West?

Doughboy on April 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM

What is the holdup with the freaking charges?

The recent record holders for the “death by slow government torture” treatment has to be the Hutaree “militia” who were held in jail for TWO FRICKING YEARS until the judge finally threw out most charges.

However, given what Zimmerman has already gone through, I wouldn’t blame him if he threw himself off a bridge at this point. Let’s recap, shall we:
1) Got vilified and lied about in every major media outlet and market.
2) Death threats (hundreds, if not thousands by now) against him and his family.
3) Racist lunatic organization puts a bounty on his head.
4) Prez Hopeychange weighs in – AGAINST him.

and finally, on top of all of that, he’s incurred probably hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal bills already, which, if he’s very lucky, he’ll be able to pay off in forty or fifty years.

And after all that he’s STILL looking at indeterminate charges from this grandstanding b*tch district attorney.

And if it turns out he’s found innocent? His life’s still wrecked. Three cheers for getting involved in your community! (NOT!)

Gearbox on April 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM

cane_loader on April 11, 2012 at 3:30 PM

I doubt it was deleted, occasionally on threads that get a lot of hits/comments, the server burps. These things happen.

NoDonkey on April 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM

They should come to your house and kill your entire family for preemptive self defense.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:11 PM

 

Jeez. That is stood-for at HotGas? Really?

Sad.

FlatFoot on April 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM

VietVet_Dave on April 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM

You mean the no priors that were squashed?

•In 2005, Zimmerman, then 20, was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program. Contemporaneous accounts indicate he shoved an officer who was questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking at an Orange County bar.
•In August 2005, Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman counterfiled for a restraining order against Zuazo. The competing claims were resolved with both restraining orders being granted.
•In December 2006, Zimmerman was charged with speeding. The case was dismissed when the officer failed to show up in court.

damian1967 on April 11, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Asked my wife, a former state proscecutor, her opinion of all of this. She said the fact the prosecutor did not try to get a grand jury indcitment is a bad sign that she probably doesn’t have much of a case. And now she has no political cover.

eyedoc on April 11, 2012 at 3:34 PM

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Why would anyone take anything seriously an advocate for murder wrote.

cozmo on April 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM

I’m sure that howling group of folks carrying pitchforks and torches, will be quite reasonable if we just sit down and talk this thing out.

NoDonkey on April 11, 2012 at 3:29 PM

At the last election, they were just carrying pipes and clubs.

Roy Rogers on April 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM

I see where you would get defensive when someone takes you and your family’s lives for granted. Try and afford the same respect to others.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:31 PM

Irony of all ironies. The media has lied in order to start a race war and convict Zimmerman without a trial and liberals and race hustlers have stirred up enough outrage that whites and hispanics are being attacked across the country, and the NBP has put a bounty on Zimmermans head and said it’s time to spill some blood.

You’re a joke.

Why don’t you wait for the evidence like everyone else or are you in too much of a hurry to see someone else killed?

darwin on April 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM

The Skittle Case…

ObamaCare being ruled on in the SC….

Non-stop demonizing and demagoguing by the Obama administration and the democrat party…

Another pending debt ceiling debate….

It’s going to be a long hot summer.

HumpBot Salvation on April 11, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Blacks do not lynch people. Let’s not forget who are the real racists.
Yes, let’s not forget.

clearbluesky on April 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Yeah, I can see how that is the same as this:
http://withoutsanctuary.org/main.html

robertnyc212 on April 11, 2012 at 3:36 PM

dogsoldier on April 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Much appreciated…to you and all the other quality posters on Hot Air…

PatriotRider on April 11, 2012 at 3:36 PM

•In December 2006, Zimmerman was charged with speeding. The case was dismissed when the officer failed to show up in court.

damian1967 on April 11, 2012 at 3:34 PM

You had me at speeding he should definitely be killed by vigilante justice paid for by the patriotic group new black panthers.

No justice no peace beatches!!/$/$

tom daschle concerned on April 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM

They should come to your house and kill your entire family for preemptive self defense.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:11 PM

You give a leftie enough rope, they always ‘hang’ themselves. You have no civility and only hate. You’ll end up in a bad place.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2012 at 3:17 PM

His words were taken out of context, obviously.

NoDonkey on April 11, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Nah, obviously, 0bamaderangementsyndrom is a “comedian.”

Resist We Much on April 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM

eyedoc on April 11, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Really? I discussed this with a prosecuter and they believe that the case did not warrant a grand jury because there is more than substantial evidence to charge him, and a grand jury would only delay it.

Most legal people agree with the fact that the case seems to have evidence to support charging Zimmerman.

Also, the autopsy may include something we do not see right now, and is helping with that evidence.

damian1967 on April 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM

robertnyc212 on April 11, 2012 at 3:36 PM

You poor thing how do you make it day to day?

tom daschle concerned on April 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Why don’t you wait for the evidence like everyone else or are you in too much of a hurry to see someone else killed?

darwin on April 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM

The problem, of course, is that most people have already been made aware of enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman committed at the very least manslaughter. You can’t expect people to ignore what they’ve already heard.

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Blacks do not lynch people. Let’s not forget who are the real racists. We have a long tradition in this great country:
http://withoutsanctuary.org/main.html
robertnyc212 on April 11, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Yeah, Blacks don’t lynch people:
Democrats do

LegendHasIt on April 11, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Sorry, but I can’t find any sympathy in a child murderer. Let’s not forget – he murdered an unarmed minor. No tears here for him, just Trayvon’s parents.

inthemiddle on April 11, 2012 at 3:38 PM

I hope you and your family never have to face this type of tragedy of somebody MURDERING one of your own and the MURDER going free

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Wish you could write some kind of coherent post. Maybe we’d have more sympathy. NOT. How does a MURDER go free, you dufus? Not even a sentence. Last I heard the kid was wailing on the guy before he got shot. Then again, neither one of us was there.

msupertas on April 11, 2012 at 3:18 PM

I don’t care if you would feel sympathetic or not in a different circumstance, no one gives a rats but about your USELESS emotions.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:21 PM

No one cares if you care or don’t care. I guess you mean rats butt. So let me use a couple of your own words. You are a USELESS rats A$$.

msupertas on April 11, 2012 at 3:39 PM

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Maybe if you start apologizing now, Ed may give you a reprieve.

Roy Rogers on April 11, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Holder jumps the shark, with Sharkton by his side, and the parents of Martin too…in Wash. D.C…glorious and without decency.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2012 at 3:39 PM

They should come to your house and kill your entire family for preemptive self defense.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Who is “they” in this quote?

d1carter on April 11, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Nathan_OH on April 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Go figure. I’m waiting for the crashing bang that will accompany the departure of another hypocritical lib.

cozmo on April 11, 2012 at 3:39 PM

People like you are not my countrymen. You are animals that have learned to make noises that approximate human speech, and frankly, I’d not stop to spit on your corpse if I saw in in the street rotting.

SilverDeth on April 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM

We don’t care for you either, pal. Here’s hoping whatever red state you come from secedes.

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 3:39 PM

I really haven’t followed the details of what is factual about this case, but I think I’ve learned a few things I hadn’t known before.

1. It’s cool again in the South to march through the streets at night, and shout about wanting to kill someone that hasn’t been tried in a court of law.

2. It’s cool again in the South to form a group of people to march around wearing hoods.

3. It’s also cool in the North to determine, Jim Crow style, that one drop of White blood makes a person White.

I’m sure glad we got over all that Civil Rights crap.

TugboatPhil on April 11, 2012 at 3:39 PM

The trial will be held on Mars.

gordo on April 11, 2012 at 3:39 PM

If I ever pull the trigger to take the LIFE OF A 17 YEAR OLD gang banger, then I bare the responsibility of defending my actions. I would hope that if it happened to your family you would want the same.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM

FIFY

angryed on April 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM

What do you reprobate race hustling ignoramuses expect to gain from this? Riots? Civil unrest?

tom daschle concerned on April 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM

They should come to your house and kill your entire family for preemptive self defense.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Speaking of derangement…

steebo77 on April 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM

What constitutes “enough” evidence? Did you factor in the “evidence” that two major media outlets had to withdraw and apologize for? Let’s get all the evidence, in court, under oath and let the system work.

Cindy Munford on April 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM

robertnyc212 on April 11, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Aww, don’t like it when someone disrupts the narrative do you? Here you go, have fun reading these.

clearbluesky on April 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM

I hope you and your family never have to face this type of tragedy of somebody MURDERING one of your own and the MURDER going free

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:09 PM

So you were there when it happened? That must be cool to have all the facts already and be ready to claim murder . . .

It’s a tragedy that this kid was killed, but the facts are jumbled with hysteria and misinformation too.

PastorJon on April 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM

You poor thing how do you make it day to day?

tom daschle concerned on April 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM

It’s your history, deal with it.

robertnyc212 on April 11, 2012 at 3:41 PM

The problem, of course, is that most people have already been made aware of enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman committed at the very least manslaughter. You can’t expect people to ignore what they’ve already heard.
ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Yeah, I heard the audio tape oh Zimmerman’s call to the police on NBC News. He sounds totally guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I’m indebted to NBC News for making me aware of that evidence.

forest on April 11, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Sorry, but I can’t find any sympathy in a child murderer. Let’s not forget – he murdered an unarmed minor. No tears here for him, just Trayvon’s parents.

inthemiddle on April 11, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Well, I guess there’s no need for a trial then.

Kataklysmic on April 11, 2012 at 3:41 PM

WTF?

My comment about starting a pool on when the race riots would start gets stuck in moderation, but 0bamaderangementsyndrom can make a death threat?

Nathan_OH on April 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM

The filter on the site sends posts to moderation automatically if certain words are used like rev0lution.

Troll-boy likely didn’t use them when making his post.

teke184 on April 11, 2012 at 3:41 PM

You mean the no priors that were squashed?

•In 2005, Zimmerman, then 20, was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program. Contemporaneous accounts indicate he shoved an officer who was questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking at an Orange County bar.

Doesn’t look squashed. Looks routine to this lawyer.

•In August 2005, Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman counterfiled for a restraining order against Zuazo. The competing claims were resolved with both restraining orders being granted.

Civil matter. You’ll notice that he counter-filed.

•In December 2006, Zimmerman was charged with speeding. The case was dismissed when the officer failed to show up in court.

damian1967 on April 11, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Oooh, speeding! Sorry, but the burden of proof is on the government. The government failed to prove its case. The charge had to be dismissed. No quashing.

Resist We Much on April 11, 2012 at 3:41 PM

cane_loader on April 11, 2012 at 3:30 PM

I doubt it was deleted, occasionally on threads that get a lot of hits/comments, the server burps. These things happen.

NoDonkey on April 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Well, (right before I’m out the door, I’m still looking for my lost comment) the comment showed up on Hot Air and was there for a couple page refreshes. Then it disappeared without a trace.

It did describe my eyewitness account of the burning of a black-owned Kentucky-Fried Chicken franchise, and the owner’s reaction (I was there, interviewing him).

I’m thinking that maybe the KFC reference was seen as some sort of attempt on my part of throw race bait.

it wasn’t.

I tell you what, when this thing really gets going, the mods are going to have their hands full, if we can’t have non-ad-hominem discussions on racial issues without comments disappearing. Because it’s going to get a heck of a lot worse than what I posted.

I suppose I’ll have to give management/server the benefit of the doubt, but my comment was there for a bit, at least on my computer screen.

If the comment offended, I would appreciate a tip as to why, so that I will not displease the hosts, while attempting to communicate in more-pleasing language.

Good day, all, (really).

cane_loader on April 11, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Did HA ever cover the NBC cover up and firing of an unnamed producer..?

d1carter on April 11, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Sorry, but I can’t find any sympathy in a child murderer. Let’s not forget – he murdered an unarmed minor. No tears here for him, just Trayvon’s parents.

inthemiddle on April 11, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Child murderer…how precious.

tom daschle concerned on April 11, 2012 at 3:42 PM

damian1967 on April 11, 2012 at 3:34 PM

My point is net them all out. What do you have left? And nothing that can be used in his trial.

VietVet_Dave on April 11, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Why does the prosecutor hate Hispanics? Clearly she is a racist.

cadams on April 11, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Asked my wife, a former state proscecutor, her opinion of all of this. She said the fact the prosecutor did not try to get a grand jury indcitment is a bad sign that she probably doesn’t have much of a case. And now she has no political cover.

eyedoc on April 11, 2012 at 3:34 PM

There’s really no case to be made against Zimmerman except for manslaughter. No reliable eyewitnesses for the prosecution to show that he pursued Trayvon. No motive for 1st degree murder since the racial stuff has been debunked and the shooter and victim didn’t know each other. And there were signs of a struggle and injuries sustained by Zimmerman. That’s enough to create reasonable doubt in any reasonable jury(which granted may be impossible to find at this point).

Manslaughter is the safe charge to go with. It’s much easier to prove since no one is disputing that Zimmerman pulled the trigger and took Trayvon’s life. And I think if a jury’s gonna feel they almost have to return a guilty verdict to please the mobs, the DA has to go with most reasonable charge possible.

Doughboy on April 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Anybody here seen my old friend Martin?
Can you tell me where he’s gone?
He freed a lot of people,
But it seems the good they die young.
I just looked ’round and he’s gone.

What would Abraham, John, Martin, and Bobby do today?

Roy Rogers on April 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Let’s not forget – he murdered an unarmed minor. No tears here for him, just Trayvon’s parents.

inthemiddle on April 11, 2012 at 3:38 PM

“Murder” implies an intent to kill, and we don’t know if Zimmerman intended harm to Martin when he initiated that confrontation (and he did initiate it). What’s more, depending on whose account you believe, that “unarmed minor” may or may not have been pounding him into the pavement.

You see, that’s what a trial is for. Examining facts and determining guilt or innocence. That’s not the job of the media.

KingGold on April 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Asked my wife, a former state proscecutor, her opinion of all of this. She said the fact the prosecutor did not try to get a grand jury indcitment is a bad sign that she probably doesn’t have much of a case. And now she has no political cover.

eyedoc on April 11, 2012 at 3:34 PM

I think I read that in Florida law, they only needed a grand jury if the charge was murder.

So he’s being charged with something less, I take it? It says the charges are not clear, but if what I read earlier was correct it sounded like murder has been ruled out, which leaves manslaughter. Anyone who understands this want to clear it up?

TexasDan on April 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM

It’s your history, deal with it.

robertnyc212 on April 11, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Thats the most racist and hateful thing i have ever heard. Congratulations on admitting you ae sub human …

tom daschle concerned on April 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM

How can he be on the run when he is hiding far away and charges have yet to be filed? You know, Ed, he’s still a citizen has the right to travel freely…oh, wait…he can’t. Because the race baiters and irresponsible bloggers have called for his head from day one.

Blake on April 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Sorry, but I can’t find any sympathy in a child murderer. Let’s not forget – he murdered an unarmed minor. No tears here for him, just Trayvon’s parents.

inthemiddle on April 11, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Again, you were there? You saw that contrary to Zimmerman’s injuries and assertions, he wasn’t being physically assaulted when he shot him? And what does minor have to do with it? I know some 13 year olds who are bigger and stronger than I am, and I’m 43 and lift weights.

PastorJon on April 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM

They should come to your house and kill your entire family for preemptive self defense.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Who let the Black Panthers through open registration?

faraway on April 11, 2012 at 3:44 PM

The problem, of course, is that most people have already been made aware of enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman committed at the very least manslaughter. You can’t expect people to ignore what they’ve already heard.

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Sure. They’ve heard manufactured quotes on MSNBC and NBC. CNN has “voice experts” that say Zimmerman called Martin a racial slur then had to retract it. No one knows what the witnesses saw, we only know hearsay.

What a hatchet job by the left. There is no way this guy will get a fair trial regardless of what he did. Obama and his race hustlers will urge people to riot and kill if he isn’t found guilty and executed. I wouldn’t be surprised if he blows his head off rather than face a kangaroo court.

darwin on April 11, 2012 at 3:44 PM

A few minutes ago, from the New York Times:

The Florida special prosecutor investigating the shooting death of Trayvon Martin has scheduled a news conference for 6 p.m. Eastern, officials said on Wednesday. It was not yet clear whether the prosecutor, Angela B. Corey, had decided to charge George Zimmerman, a crime watch volunteer, who fatally shot Mr. Martin.

steebo77 on April 11, 2012 at 3:44 PM

let the system work.

Cindy Munford on April 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM

The system already failed when the guy wasn’t even booked for the incident. You trust the government entirely too much.

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 3:44 PM

This prosecutor was chosen because she has track record of being very “Pro-Victim”.

portlandon on April 11, 2012 at 3:31 PM

PC choice. Blame Pam Bondi.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Did HA ever cover the NBC cover up and firing of an unnamed producer..?

d1carter on April 11, 2012 at 3:41 PM

No, nor of the NBPP bounty, unless I somehow missed both.

TexasDan on April 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM

clearbluesky on April 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM

You can do better than that. Pretty weak tea.

robertnyc212 on April 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM

start screaming for justice for Luis Avila, who was shot and killed by an African-American homeowner, Lee Cobbler, in Texas:
Resist We Much on April 11, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Can you honestly not see the difference between a case where a kid broke into a house and was shot vs a case where a kid was walking through a neighborhood, was hunted down, and shot?

Benaiah on April 11, 2012 at 3:16 PM

I thought it was a weird example/comparison as well. The news report of the Texas case has the kid who died kicking in the homeowner’s door and being shot inside the house. The other two, who were arrested, were the ones running away. Clear case of Castle Law. Zimmerman and Martin were both out on a public street.

DoubleClutchin on April 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM

WILL ANYONE ADVOCATE FOR THIS POS TO BE BANNED FOR RACE BAITING? If you don’t have any evidence that he’s a gang banger then this is NAKED RACISM.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM

The only real racists left in this nation are the liberals.

SilverDeth on April 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Blake on April 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Excellent point.

Cindy Munford on April 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Blacks do not lynch people.

robertnyc212 on April 11, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Really?

SANFORD, Fla. —Two men were arrested in Sanford on attempted murder charges after trying to kill another man with a hammer, the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office said on Monday [April 2, 2012].

Deputies said Julius Bender, 18, and Yahaziel Israel, 19, were charged with attempted homicide, burglary with assault or battery, and armed burglary.

Investigators said Bender and Israel beat a 50-year-old man with a hammer inside his vehicle and then took him into the woods near Beardall Avenue and Lincoln Street, where they continued to attack him.

(Philadelphia Daily News) IN A HORRIFIC assault in Center City on Saturday night, three black teenagers who were spouting racial slurs pulled a white man out of a cab to beat him. And when the white cabdriver intervened to stop the assault, the teens turned their rage on him, police said yesterday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRYRd6AP3rY

angryed on April 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Well, he should have no trouble getting a fair trial.

Jim Treacher on April 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM

The recent record holders for the “death by slow government torture” treatment has to be the Hutaree “militia” who were held in jail for TWO FRICKING YEARS until the judge finally threw out most charges.

Ray Buckey of McMartin preschool fame spent five years in jail without being convicted of anything.

rw on April 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM

The only thing people are calling for is that Zimmerman be charged for what happened. DON’T FORGET A FAMILY HAS LOST THEIR SON. I know you could careless because he represents the OTHER to you. If Zimmerman is innocent let him defend himself in court and be proven innocent by a jury.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:41 PM

That’s an about face for you, you said it was murder on page one. Change your tune? One page it was murder, this comment it’s “wait until trial.”

And dude, don’t you know it’s PROVEN GUILTY, not proven innocent. In the US we’re supposed to have the presumption of innocence, something you have refused George throughout the comments.

PastorJon on April 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM

The Skittle Case…

ObamaCare being ruled on in the SC….

Non-stop demonizing and demagoguing by the Obama administration and the democrat party…

Another pending debt ceiling debate….

It’s going to be a long hot summer.

HumpBot Salvation on April 11, 2012 at 3:36 PM

 

GOP Convention coming up.

DNC Convention coming up.

OWS is starting to rev up their engines for ‘Phase II’ which includes Frances Fox Piven, Van Jones, and many other infamous ‘cultural revolutionaries’ demanding and calling for ‘violent revolution’.

And who knows what other contrived Civil Unrest is yet to be unveiled by incumbent presidential candidate Barack Hussein 0bama and his Construction-Through-Destruction’ minions. It has only just begun.

…going to be a long hot summer indeed.

Lay in your supplies now — and keep your powder dry.

FlatFoot on April 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM

I

think I read that in Florida law, they only needed a grand jury if the charge was murder.

So he’s being charged with something less, I take it? It says the charges are not clear, but if what I read earlier was correct it sounded like murder has been ruled out, which leaves manslaughter. Anyone who understands this want to clear it up?

TexasDan on April 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM

It can’t be murder, it doesn’t meet the definition of murder. Most likely it will be voluntary manslaughter. Getting an indictment would’ve been the smart move. Now when she loses this case, she’s going to be packing up her office and looking for a new job. Maybe CNN is hiring.

eyedoc on April 11, 2012 at 3:47 PM

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 3:44 PM

If getting him charged was the goal, mission accomplished. Now let the jury decide.

Cindy Munford on April 11, 2012 at 3:47 PM

WILL ANYONE ADVOCATE FOR THIS POS TO BE BANNED FOR RACE BAITING? If you don’t have any evidence that he’s a gang banger then this is NAKED RACISM.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Is this a statement indicating that gang members can only be from one race of people?

Isn’t that racist?

TugboatPhil on April 11, 2012 at 3:47 PM

tom daschle concerned on April 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

robertnyc212 on April 11, 2012 at 3:47 PM

WILL ANYONE ADVOCATE FOR THIS POS TO BE BANNED FOR RACE BAITING? If you don’t have any evidence that he’s a gang banger then this is NAKED RACISM.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Because only black youths join gangs?

Doubling your medication may not be enough.

TexasDan on April 11, 2012 at 3:47 PM

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Better hurry up and post everything you can while you can. Ed will be off the air and then it’s hammertime.

DrStock on April 11, 2012 at 3:47 PM

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Still here and still no apology?

Isn’t there some kind of meeting you are late for?

Roy Rogers on April 11, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Parting comment (still scanning one last time before leaving, to try to figure out what happeed to my comment, and whether we will be given any guidelines for acceptable comment)

“Tray-von’s body lies a’mouldering in the grave… Tray-von’s body lies a’mouldering in the grave… Tray-von’s body lies a’mouldering in the grave…”

We’ve heard this tune before, from other activists.

cane_loader on April 11, 2012 at 3:48 PM

WILL ANYONE ADVOCATE FOR THIS POS TO BE BANNED FOR RACE BAITING? If you don’t have any evidence that he’s a gang banger then this is NAKED RACISM.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM

How does “gang banger” = racism? Are you implying that only members of a particular race can be “gang bangers?” Looks like you’re the real racist, racist.

steebo77 on April 11, 2012 at 3:48 PM

I don’t know if he’s guilty or innocent or even the charges against him but given the rather public bounty, he might be worried about making it to trial.

Cindy Munford on April 11, 2012 at 3:30 PM

I get that and agree, but still, running seriously makes him look bad.

Logus on April 11, 2012 at 3:48 PM

So he’s being charged with something less, I take it? It says the charges are not clear, but if what I read earlier was correct it sounded like murder has been ruled out, which leaves manslaughter. Anyone who understands this want to clear it up?

TexasDan on April 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Correct. It was never a murder case and they only need a GJ for murder. However, when a DA has a weak case, it’s easier to present it to the GJ and then blame them for not returning an indictment. But Corey is where she is today because she is political. No way was she not going to file charges.

Blake on April 11, 2012 at 3:49 PM

WILL ANYONE ADVOCATE FOR THIS POS TO BE BANNED FOR RACE BAITING? If you don’t have any evidence that he’s a gang banger then this is NAKED RACISM.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM

To assume that only certain races can be gangbangers, seems sorta racist to me.

The Aryan Nation would disagree.

NoDonkey on April 11, 2012 at 3:49 PM

The only thing people are calling for is that Zimmerman be charged for what happened.
0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Really? It’s been quoted here many times you calling for someone’s entire family to be murdered.

Scrappy on April 11, 2012 at 3:49 PM

ernesto, should we try to defend this Hispanic man, or should we let the mob hang him?

faraway on April 11, 2012 at 3:49 PM

I guess not. Did you see them actually handing out the money and contract for the said act?

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:27 PM

You can’t be serious. That’s like asking a person if they saw the bullet leave the smoking gun that was in the hands of someone standing over the body of a shooting victim.

The NBP were very proud in announcing that they were in the process of amassing a million dollar award to go to the person that “got” Zimmerman, dead or alive. And, inciting the commission of a criminal act is not protected speech under the First Amendment.

totherightofthem on April 11, 2012 at 3:50 PM

angryed on April 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Oh yeah, I can see how that is the same as this:

http://www.withoutsanctuary.org

robertnyc212 on April 11, 2012 at 3:50 PM

I think this is necessary with all of the public attention even if he’s innocent (it should even help him if he’s innocent). He admits to killing someone, and I don’t really have a problem with trying every case involving death except those very clearcut cases of self defense.

Death threats against him need to be taken seriously if they don’t want this to be a farce.

Esthier on April 11, 2012 at 3:50 PM

You’re kidding right? Unfortunately for him, I don’t think anyone will touch this case at any price. Imagine the wrath that will befall any lawyer or law office that dares to touch this. Innocent or guilty, Zimmerman is screwed. I’d be on the first boat to a non-extriditing country! ( if there are any these days)

JeffVader on April 11, 2012 at 3:30 PM

of course an attorney wants this. if he prevails, his practice is set for a long time to come…..

Dr. Demento on April 11, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Well, he should have no trouble getting a fair trial.

Jim Treacher on April 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Love your sarc, Treach. Seriously, I wonder how fair it can be at this point.

DrStock on April 11, 2012 at 3:50 PM

ou trust the government entirely too much.

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Oh, the STAGGERING irony. I bet that you would just love Medicare-for-all and support Obama’s agenda, don’t you?

Resist We Much on April 11, 2012 at 3:50 PM

robertnyc212 on April 11, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Keep calling me racist, f#@&face its all you got since you are intellectually and morally bankrupt.

tom daschle concerned on April 11, 2012 at 3:51 PM

WILL ANYONE ADVOCATE FOR THIS POS TO BE BANNED FOR RACE BAITING?

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Irony. It’s what’s for breakfast.

Kent18 on April 11, 2012 at 3:51 PM

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