Allen West: I’ve “heard” 80 House Democrats are members of the Communist Party

posted at 12:46 pm on April 11, 2012 by Tina Korbe

This story has already gotten a lot of comment action in Headlines, but, given all the talk about Allen West for vice president, it seems to merit a full-fledged post, as well.

At a town hall event in Florida yesterday, West warned his constituents that he’s “heard” that as many as 80 House Democrats are members of the Communist Party. He didn’t name names, but the House has just 190 Democrats, so, if West is right, that means about 42 percent of House Ds consider themselves communists.

In this post, I want to explore two questions: (1) How plausible is it that such a sizable percentage of Democrats in the House of Representatives really prefer a centrally planned economy to a free market economy? and (2) Was it politically savvy or politically stupid of Allen West to make this statement?

The answer to the first question is easier than the second. West’s “80″ number might seem a little high, but it’s not hard to believe that, out of the many democratic socialists or social democrats in Congress, at least a fraction would go so far as to say they favor outright central planning and control of the means of production. Others might not definitively think a communist scheme of social organization is optimal but would consider it somehow preferable to democratic capitalism.

To answer the second question, we have to acknowledge that the word “communism” still has a very negative connotation to the average American, even as some of the ideas that fuel or lead to communism (e.g. the mind of man is all there is, history progresses linearly and inexorably toward collectivism, etc.) have become surprisingly widespread. Consequently, even those who admit the appeal of communist ideas or acknowledge themselves to have been influenced by those ideas will shy away from the actual label of “communist.”

It has puzzled me for some time that socialists and communists are so unwilling to call themselves by name — but, the more I read of history, the more I understand. My generation might not understand what communism really is, but we have some underlying sense that it has been broadly rejected by free and thinking peoples and we really wouldn’t have much appetite to hear ideas from someone who outright identified himself with a failed theory of social organization. Like any young people, though, we’re susceptible to making ourselves our own gods — so we’re still susceptible to the allure of the ideas of communism.

We also have to acknowledge that the average American — including the average young American — thinks that nobody today would actually embrace the failed theories that led to the bloodiest century in human history. We can conceive of anti-capitalism and crony capitalism, of a big-government approach to the solution of all problems — but outright socialism or communism? That seems like a stretch. That means that, at the same time that socialists and communists are unwilling to claim their ideas, opponents of those ideas are unwilling to label socialists and communists as such for fear of acquiring the “extreme” or “out-of-touch” label.

That’s the risk Allen West has brought upon himself with his remarks. We’ve seen West risk the “extreme” label more than once. The most ready example of his bravery is in his unflinching elucidations of what does and does not constitute racism. His past teaches us to expect that he’s unconcerned about whether these remarks earn him the label “out-of-touch.” (Incidentally, liberals can’t accuse him of fear-mongering in this instance unless they’re willing to concede that there is something in communism to fear. Then again, I suppose they would argue that it’s not that there is something in communism to fear so much as there is a common perception that there is something in communism to fear.)

At any rate, it probably wasn’t politically savvy of West to say this if he’s interested to win the VP nod. Mitt Romney has shown every sign of wanting to moderately defend conservative ideas and West doesn’t often moderate his rhetoric. It was savvy, though, if he’s looking primarily to solidify his reputation as a heedless-of-the-consequences speaker of the truth, a man who calls ‘em as he sees ‘em.

Update: According to this tweet, a spokesperson for Allen West said he was referring to the Progressive Caucus when he said 80 members of the House are communists. Meanwhile, a reader e-mailed me to note that it is beyond any kind of dispute that a number of House Democrats are members of the The Democratic Socialists of America. In 2009, DSA released the names of 70 such Democrats, many of whom still serve in the House.


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cozmo…leave it alone, please

DanMan on April 11, 2012 at 1:11 PM

(1) How plausible is it that such a sizable percentage of Democrats in the House of Representatives really prefer a centrally planned economy to a free market economy?

It’s not a question of plausibility. The only question is whether or not West is correct in the number. Maybe it’s 75, or maybe it’s 85.

(2) Was it politically savvy or politically stupid of Allen West to make this statement?

Stupid because so many Republicans are bed wetters and pillow biters. The point can be made without making the feint of heart get the vapors.

NotCoach on April 11, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Call them out!!!

The Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC)

As of April 2011, CPC consisted of 74 members of the House of Representatives – all of them leftist Democrats – and one U.S. Senator (Bernie Sanders, an Independent who caucuses with the Democrats).

# Socialist wing of the Democratic Party
# Consists of 76 Members of Congress
# Has close ties to the Institute for Policy Studies and the Democratic Socialists of America
# Has ties to the Communist Party USA

Roy Rogers on April 11, 2012 at 1:11 PM

West is probably talking about the Democratic Socialists of America who published a list of Members of Congress who are members. My Congressman is on that list.

It was 70, though, not 80. Here’s a link:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/08/american-socialists-release-names-of-70-congressional-democrats-in-their-caucus/

crosspatch on April 11, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Anyone who is a democrat is, in my mind, a communist. It’s what their party is for! Look at their platform.

SouthernGent on April 11, 2012 at 1:12 PM

To answer the second question, we have to acknowledge that the word “communism” still has a very negative connotation to the average American,

Er … of course. There is nothing to “acknowledge”, here. “Communism” has despicable meaning to any reasonable person with even an ounce of decency.

Dems have gone far left. They swung hard in 2007 but really went over the Iron Curtain in 2008 with the election of an obvious commie and America-hater who wasn’t even eligible and illegally held the largest political rally of his campaign in a friggin foreign nation … for FOREIGNERS!!!

Meanwhile, he had Che-lovers filling his campaigns, Maoists infesting every inch of his administration, and he himself liked to have Bill Ayers write for him that he sought out Marxist professors … all the while mouthing typical marxist and race-based marxist tripe about everything. For years. He has Mao-praising idiots in his admin, was a member of the socialist new party and is running America like it was some sh#thole central american leftist dictatorship … the exact same sort, coincidentally, that he stupidly supported as Barky tried to back his commie buddy Zelaya’s attempted coup in Honduras.

And, with every step that the Indonesian Imbecile has taken, the rank and file dems have fallen in line and gotten into the commie push, not even bothering to address anything so silly as Constitutionality for any of their “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need” fundamental transformation of America in which free condoms are a “fundamental necessity and right”.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 11, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Why didn’t West specify which communist party? Are these 80 democrats the maoist, cult of personality RCP types? Trotskyites? CPUSA? Which party??

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:12 PM

I “heard” Allen West is a self-deluded clown who makes idiotic statements to keep his otherwise insignificant life in the media.

inthemiddle on April 11, 2012 at 12:49 PM

inthemiddle of the Liberal Left sounds like to me.

How about a little “truth in advertising”.

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Seeing as the democrat platform is almost a mirror image of the Communist Party USA platform … 80 is probably a low number.

darwin on April 11, 2012 at 1:12 PM

I heard West is actually Kenyan. Why is Orly Taitz not investigating him? You can’t explain that!!

lester on April 11, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Just 80?

To answer the second question, we have to acknowledge that the word “communism” still has a very negative connotation to the average American, even as some of the ideas that fuel or lead to communism.

Can we just say those members of that National party are simply Socialists instead?

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground. Thomas Jefferson

Chip on April 11, 2012 at 1:13 PM

The Democratic Socialists of America’s website is here:

http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html

crosspatch on April 11, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Heh. Funny to see people on here saying the likes of “he shouldn’t have said that!” Yes, just keep sitting there and pretending that the democrats aren’t, at the very least, crypto-communist.

robertlbryant on April 11, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Kakistocracy

allahallahoxenfree on April 11, 2012 at 1:13 PM

so many Republicans are bed wetters and pillow biters.

NotCoach on April 11, 2012 at 1:11 PM

hahahahahahaha

faraway on April 11, 2012 at 1:13 PM

I’m “hearing” a black helicopter.

lester on April 11, 2012 at 1:13 PM

It’s comments like this that will preventwest from being considered for vp.

Yes most democrats are liberal to extreme liberal. and yes i suppose the word communism in its general sense means spreading the wealth among the masses.

But using the word communism is just red meat to the base and causes anxiety in the main stream voters we need.

gerrym51 on April 11, 2012 at 1:14 PM

I’ve heard the number is higher than that.

reddevil on April 11, 2012 at 1:14 PM

I’m really surprised this clip hasn’t been posted yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3I-PVVowFY

Not a BFD, though, since Maxine wasn’t talking about “owning” just “taking over” the companies.

MeatHeadinCA on April 11, 2012 at 1:14 PM

West still has the right to say whatever he wants. Let him exercise it because it won’t be long before we’ll all be silenced and shackled.

erp on April 11, 2012 at 1:14 PM

self-deluded

inthemiddle on April 11, 2012 at 12:49 PM

WTF does that mean? Do you really speak English?

Idiot.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 11, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Have 80 house members called themselves the communist caucus?

Bradky on April 11, 2012 at 1:04 PM

No, they’re not quite that dumb. They just act like one and that’s obvious.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2012 at 1:15 PM

He was probably referring to the Democratic Socialists of America organization. Many Dem Congress people are members of that.

mydh12 on April 11, 2012 at 1:15 PM

I would love to ask Barack Obama what he finds wrong with communism.

He’d really have to tap dance to avoid offending the lunatic Democrat base.

NoDonkey on April 11, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Why didn’t West specify which communist party? Are these 80 democrats the maoist, cult of personality RCP types? Trotskyites? CPUSA? Which party??

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:12 PM

I believe West is talking about the list that the Democratic Socialists of America published of 70 members of Congress who belong to their organization. I left a link to the article at Gateway Pundit above and there is also a link above to the DSA’s website. It is an organization for Socialists who run under the Democrat banner.

crosspatch on April 11, 2012 at 1:15 PM

It has puzzled me for some time that socialists and communists are so unwilling to call themselves by name.

That’s because it’s a failed ideology, one that is adverse to the concept of Liberty.

“The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. “ Ronald Reagan

Chip on April 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Meh. They’re basically watered down socialists. Slightly to the right of the socialists in Europe. They want a “free market” in name only. They want to use private enterprise for two things: wealth redistribution + to fund an ever expanding public sector.

therightwinger on April 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Mcarthy was right

Man I like to see someone go after these freaks and Hollywood, it would be great

Conservative4ev on April 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM

I would love to ask Barack Obama what he finds wrong with communism.

NoDonkey on April 11, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Obama: “So far, they have had poor leaders”

faraway on April 11, 2012 at 1:17 PM

crosspatch on April 11, 2012 at 1:15 PM

So did he just mistakenly use the word communist, when he meant socialist? There are differences, you know…

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Why didn’t West specify which communist party? Are these 80 democrats the maoist, cult of personality RCP types? Trotskyites? CPUSA? Which party??

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:12 PM

here’s why it doesn’t matter

DanMan on April 11, 2012 at 1:17 PM

He isn’t but you are 100% foolish, if not a total fool.
Schadenfreude on April 11, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Hhhmmmm…

Anyhow, yeah, McCarthy was right about everything.

And please someone tell me, since this was out some time ago, why would anyone have a problem with West mentioning it?

Akzed on April 11, 2012 at 1:17 PM

so many Republicans are bed wetters and pillow biters.

NotCoach on April 11, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Ah yes, excellent approach . . . challenge everything with mindless, pseudo intellectual babble.

rplat on April 11, 2012 at 1:18 PM

pid because so many Republicans are bed wetters and pillow biters.

NotCoach on April 11, 2012 at 1:11 PM

This.

Democrats, up to and including 0bama, have made far more sweeping and rediculous claims.

West makes a self-evident observation, and we’re throwing him under the bus?

A lot of so-called “conservatives” should take this test.

Rebar on April 11, 2012 at 1:18 PM

So did he just mistakenly use the word communist, when he meant socialist? There are differences, you know… ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Really, Che? Really?

What’s the difference between the USSR and Cuba?

Akzed on April 11, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Communism entails the outright ownership of ALL means of production – every farm, factory, and shop in America – by the dictatorship of the proletariat. To be considered a communist, this is what you have to advocate.

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM

That’s the long term goal. These communists realize they can’t get there directly. So they take it in steps, each step making it more and more difficult to go back to constitutional principles. For example:

1. State-managed health care exchanges (the best they could get for now)
2. Public option (inevitable as the insurance system collapses)
3. Single-payer, total centralized control (the end goal)

Don’t take my word for it. It’s what communists like Obama and Barney Frank have said in their own words. You can’t get there in one big step. You have to nudge people into it.

The Rogue Tomato on April 11, 2012 at 1:19 PM

DanMan on April 11, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Why not? There’s an awful large difference between the GOP and the Libertarian Party that you’re all very quick to point out…

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Communism entails the outright ownership of ALL means of production – every farm, factory, and shop in America – by the dictatorship of the proletariat. To be considered a communist, this is what you have to advocate.

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM

You might read up on Lenin, and his advocacy of a New Economic Policy, which was to allow for a limited form of private enterprise, especially in the rural areas.

But, what the hell, that Lenin was no Commie – nope.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 11, 2012 at 1:19 PM

So did he just mistakenly use the word communist, when he meant socialist? There are differences, you know…

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Take a look, all. Ernesto will spend the whole day fixating on how West “slipped” up with his egregious classification, but not a peep about the constant lefty smears on anyone that doesn’t do exactly what the Left wants. #waronwomen

MeatHeadinCA on April 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM

…as many as 80 House Democrats are members of the Communist Party…

The HA35 will teach the Mittard/RINO/Squishes a real lesson and spite-vote for them, too. Because they’re hardcore TruCon like that.

M240H on April 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Point is about benefit of the doubt — the right demands it and should be willing to extend it — call it principle.

Bradky on April 11, 2012 at 1:02 PM

You, on the left, have NO moral authority on any principles.

Heck, most on the right don’t have it either, sadly.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM

It was savvy, though, if he’s looking primarily to solidify his reputation as a heedless-of-the-consequences speaker of the truth, a man who calls ‘em as he sees ‘em.

Politically wise? Not really sure yet.

What I like about Col. West is that he’s not a weasel, but an outstanding man of courage and character — the actions he took during wartime to protect his men, at his personal cost, are an example.

I don’t believe Col. West is one to make remarks he hasn’t thought through, because he doesn’t seem to be the kind of man who would shy from the consequences of his actions. Men (and, of course, women) with what appears to be the character of Col. West think before they speak.

Whether now is the right time for him to be VP is not clear. I think Romney will get 2 terms, and by then West may prove to be a very good choice to be top-of-the-ticket.

mr.blacksheep on April 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Let’s see what Democrats want:
– govt control of health care
– govt control of education
– govt control of oil producers
– govt control of auto makers
– govt run “green” technology plants

Yeah, it’s crazy to call them communists.

angryed on April 11, 2012 at 1:09 PM

You forgot banking.

subsonic on April 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Why didn’t West specify which communist party? Are these 80 democrats the maoist, cult of personality RCP types? Trotskyites? CPUSA? Which party??

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Does it really matter?

Communist, Collectivist, Marxist, Leninist, Fascist, Progressivist, Stalinist, Socialist, it’s all the same anti-Liberty ideology.

Why can’t you people on the Left accept that simple fact?

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground. Thomas Jefferson

Chip on April 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Democrats, up to and including 0bama, have made far more sweeping and rediculous claims.

West makes a self-evident observation, and we’re throwing him under the bus?

A lot of so-called “conservatives” should take this test.

Rebar on April 11, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Who’s throwing him under the bus?

NoDonkey on April 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM

So did he just mistakenly use the word communist, when he meant socialist? There are differences, you know…

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:17 PM

the differences are fairly meaningless. Avowed socialists would love to continue down the path to actual communism. they may not say so, but that is the end dream of most leftists.

Monkeytoe on April 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Reminds me of the old joke which ends “What kind of girl do you think I am, anyway?!!” To which the man answers, “We’ve already determined what you are. Now we’re just dickering over the price.”

A lot of the huffy objections that liberals put up about being called communist remind me of that woman.

Burke on April 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Van Jones said he was a Communist, but now he said it was an indiscretion of his youth. I wonder if he still carries his card..?

d1carter on April 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Technically there are 80 House Democrats who are registered Socialists. But the leap from that to communism is just semantics.

Dasher on April 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Be sure to read the comments in the headline thread.

ITguy on April 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM

So did he just mistakenly use the word communist, when he meant socialist? There are differences, you know…

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:17 PM

No, there isn’t a difference. The Communist Party implements socialism. The Soviet Union was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Communist is the name of the political party, socialism is the name of the political ideology that it furthers.

Socialism is Marxism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_%28Marxism%29

Marx produced the Communist Manifesto to further socialism.

In Marxist theory, socialism, lower-stage communism or the socialist mode of page, refers to a specific historical phase of economic development and its corresponding set of social relations that eventually supersede capitalism

Socialism is simply the first phase in replacing capitalism in the progression to full communism. They are not “different”.

crosspatch on April 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Doesn’t matter – any combination of sizi-commie is today’s ‘modernity’, the in vogue European failed model.

p.s. lester is more foolish than Liberal4life was, and that is saying a lot.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM

The logical conclusion of every argument here is this: “because we can read the minds of liberals, no matter what their flavor, they all eventually want complete government ownership of every farm, factory, and service provider in America”.

That’s pretty weak.

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Technically there are 80 House Democrats who are registered Socialists. But the leap from that to communism is just semantics.

Dasher on April 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM

A socialist is just a commie in the closet.

NoDonkey on April 11, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Van Jones said he was a Communist, but now he said it was an indiscretion of his youth. I wonder if he still carries his card..?

d1carter on April 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Speaking of that babbling idiot, he doesn’t even know what a libertarian is.

MeatHeadinCA on April 11, 2012 at 1:23 PM

I see that we are just on the verge of converting ernesto to a fire breathing, racist clinger.

faraway on April 11, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Not really…. I’ve heard “heard” that the moon is made of cheese, that the earth is flat, that Elvis is making guest appearances at Walmarts throughout the country at 3:00 a.m. Does it make it so?

But this can be fact-checked.

CynicalOptimist on April 11, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Communism entails the outright ownership of ALL means of production – every farm, factory, and shop in America – by the dictatorship of the proletariat. To be considered a communist, this is what you have to advocate. ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM

So who owned the steel mills and auto manufacturing in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?

The Communist Party, even though there was no Union of Soviet Communist Republics.

The hammer and sickle were on the USSR’s flag, and if you asked your average joe what he thinks that represents he’d say “communism” w/o hesitation.

Akzed on April 11, 2012 at 1:23 PM

The Democrats might not try to make much of a deal about this because to do so they have to trash commies by acting like it’s a real horrible thing to be one. I don’t think they’ll be able to muster much false indignation at this late date in American free market history.

Buddahpundit on April 11, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Tina, you need to do more research on the history of communism snd socialism. From your statement below, it is obvious you don’t have basic knowledge of the situation. Progressives are known socialists and communism is another socialist based “ism.”

“We can conceive of anti-capitalism and crony capitalism, of a big-government approach to the solution of all problems — but outright socialism or communism? That seems like a stretch.”

You are extremely naive and ill informed of the history of communism in the USA. It is alive and well and woven into the fabric of the labor movement in our country! Again, I suggest you do some serious research before writing such drivel!

tomshup on April 11, 2012 at 1:24 PM

The Tagline is “Wise of him to say?”

I want you to picture something. I want you to picture a firehose blasting water out of it. Then, imagine that water is money, and Democrats are holding the hose. Or, imagine a thousand devils with flamethrowers, rushing over an immense money of cash like ants, only they each have a flamethowers, and they’re burning all the money. The mountain of money represents the monetary, cultural, and spiritual wealth of America. The devils are democrats.

Now, back to your question about West. Was it wise of him to say? Who gives a f? When one side is so far past the word “irresponsible” as to border on “insane” and “possessed,” I think you may be distracted.

Herald of Woe on April 11, 2012 at 12:56 PM

THIS!

Dr. Demento on April 11, 2012 at 1:24 PM

In fact, there should be a full court press by the GOP to widely publicize those 70 members who are still in office as socialists and get them thrown out of office.

crosspatch on April 11, 2012 at 1:24 PM

So did he just mistakenly use the word communist, when he meant socialist? There are differences, you know…

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:17 PM

the differences are fairly meaningless. Avowed socialists would love to continue down the path to actual communism. they may not say so, but that is the end dream of most leftists.

Monkeytoe on April 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Communism
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/129104/communism

Communism, the political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society. Communism is thus a form of socialism—a higher and more advanced form, according to its advocates. Exactly how communism differs from socialism has long been a matter of debate, but the distinction rests largely on the communists’ adherence to the revolutionary socialism of Karl Marx.

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground. Thomas Jefferson

Chip on April 11, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Socialism is simply the first phase in replacing capitalism in the progression to full communism. They are not “different”.

crosspatch on April 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Correct.

Marxists have long hailed its progressive significance …

… make fundamental progressive change…

With Marxism-Leninism guiding our actions, the Communist Party strives to build the broadest unity against global capitalist imperialism now headed by U.S. imperialism, for immediate gains and reforms that benefit working people, and for a progressive democratization of the government, the economy, and society of our country on the road to and after winning socialism.

With pride in our past and confidence in our future, we hereby establish this Constitution of the Communist Party of the United States America.

With Marxism-Leninism guiding our actions, the Communist Party strives to build the broadest unity against global capitalist imperialism now headed by U.S. imperialism, for immediate gains and reforms that benefit working people, and for a progressive democratization of the government, the economy, and society of our country on the road to and after winning socialism.

- From the Program of the Communist Party USA
The Road to Socialism USA

ITguy on April 11, 2012 at 1:25 PM

80 are members of the CPUSA, but all of them are collectivists of one stripe or another.

Nathan_OH on April 11, 2012 at 1:26 PM

(1) How plausible is it that such a sizable percentage of Democrats in the House of Representatives really prefer a centrally planned economy to a free market economy?

The GOP supports a centrally planned economy as well, that’s why they want a new and improved version of Obama to micromanage it.

FloatingRock on April 11, 2012 at 1:26 PM

The logical conclusion of every argument here is this: “because we can read the minds of liberals, no matter what their flavor, they all eventually want complete government ownership of every farm, factory, and service provider in America”. That’s pretty weak. ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:23 PM

No, actually the thread is about Allen West having the temerity to mention that already-outed commies are in congress, all on the Dem side.

Certain weenies on both sides of the aisle find it offensive to point out this tidbit of common knowledge, for some reason.

Akzed on April 11, 2012 at 1:26 PM

That’s pretty weak.

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Liberals hate America and everything that has made this nation unique and great. That’s sad and pathetic … and very, very stupid. Libs who don’t like America can go to basically any other country in the world and find something closer to their “ideal” than America is (which is why they always blame America first, for everything) but they refuse to leave. Liberals look at it as their duty to stay in America and destroy us instead, just because they generally hate their fathers that much.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 11, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Bill Ayers’ very rich parents financed Obama’s studies, in part.

He said a few days ago that he gets up every day “trying to kill capitalism”.

Nuance doesn’t matter. It’s all toward the same end, ernesto. Most people don’t care about your analytical differentiation.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2012 at 1:26 PM

I see that we are just on the verge of converting ernesto to a fire breathing, racist clinger.

faraway on April 11, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Primer for Obama

a capella on April 11, 2012 at 1:27 PM

You can’t talk about communists in Congress without mentioning the Democracy Alliance (DA)

- Created by Democratic political operative Rob Stein
- Goal is to raise money to fund a leftwing political movement and Democratic electoral victories
- Supported by George Soros and Peter Lewis

In early 2011, DA launched a new project called New Media Ventures, which describes itself as “the first national network of early-stage investors who are investing their time and money into new, cutting edge, start-ups focused on building progressive change.”

Roy Rogers on April 11, 2012 at 1:27 PM

If President Obama, who couldn’t legitmately pass a security clearance background becuase of his marxist and terrorist ties and calls the Ryan plan social darwinism is a mainstrem democrat, then it is safe to say that any mainstream democrat in congress with similar viewpoints is also a communist.

paulsur on April 11, 2012 at 1:27 PM

The terms ‘communist’, ‘socialist’, ‘progressive’, ‘union’ are all just different variants of the same fungus.

faraway on April 11, 2012 at 1:28 PM

80 are members of the CPUSA, but all of them are collectivists of one stripe or another.

Nathan_OH on April 11, 2012 at 1:26 PM

West was so far off the mark here. He should have focused on how every single GOP Rep hates gays, Latinos, blacks, and women!

MeatHeadinCA on April 11, 2012 at 1:28 PM

That’s pretty weak.

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:23 PM

The only thing that’s weak is your argument. All the evidence is against you.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Probably even more than that, since the Democratic Party is openly Communist…heck, Obama is a Communist for karma’s sake.

Karmi on April 11, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Don’t take my word for it. It’s what communists like Obama and Barney Frank have said in their own words. You can’t get there in one big step. You have to nudge people into it.

The Rogue Tomato on April 11, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Exactly, they can’t drop the whole frog into boiling water, they have to put it in cool water and slowly heat it to boiling. Then the elite ruling class will sit back, laugh, and have a big group hug.

kirkill on April 11, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Nuance doesn’t matter. It’s all toward the same end, ernesto. Most people don’t care about your analytical differentiation.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Be gentle. Ernie’s just hanging on by a fingernail.

a capella on April 11, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Test your knowledge…

Which Collectivist said it…

ITguy on April 11, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Oh dear, Rep. West has not used his inside voice……again. And he failed to refer to his fellow members as “esteemed, learned colleagues”, he must suffer.

Cindy Munford on April 11, 2012 at 1:30 PM

West calls out the Democrat communists and all the little commies get their panties in a knot!

ROFLMAO!!!

Roy Rogers on April 11, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Mitchell Heisman on April 11, 2012 at 12:56 PM

inthemiddle on April 11, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Bradky on April 11, 2012 at 1:04 PM

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I am curious do any of the four of you identify progressive? There is a progressive wing of the republican party.

Progressives do not like to be called liberals, because they aren’t. But progressives do like to hide behind liberal label when they come under scrutiny.

Dr Evil on April 11, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Ah yes, excellent approach . . . challenge everything with mindless, pseudo intellectual babble.

rplat on April 11, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Am I wrong? Are you saying that Republicans don’t often surrender the narrative to the left?

Is West wrong? Would you seriously claim there aren’t at least 80 Democrats in the House who view central planning as a positive approach to governance?

NotCoach on April 11, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Don’t take my word for it. It’s what communists like Obama and Barney Frank have said in their own words. You can’t get there in one big step. You have to nudge people into it.

The Rogue Tomato on April 11, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Audio: Van Jones explains how the “Green” economy would be used to incrementally transform this country away from capitalism.

“Minimum goals” used to reach their “Maximum goals”…

ITguy on April 11, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Van Jones said he was a Communist, but now he said it was an indiscretion of his youth. I wonder if he still carries his card..?

d1carter on April 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Van Jones is a Maoist as are most of Obama’s inner circle. You can see it evidenced in the workings of things, too.

The Occupy movement is their “Cultural Revolution”, the massive spending on wind and solar power and the wholesale shutting down through regulation of power plants and oil refineries (the East coast is going to lose 50% of its oil refining capacity over the next 10 years due to regulations) is Obama’s “Great Leap Forward”.

crosspatch on April 11, 2012 at 1:32 PM

The terms ‘communist’, ‘socialist’, ‘progressive’, ‘union’ are all just different variants of the same fungus.

faraway on April 11, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Exactly, it’s all in the marketing.

NoDonkey on April 11, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Van Jones is a Maoist as are most of Obama’s inner circle. You can see it evidenced in the workings of things, too.

The Occupy movement is their “Cultural Revolution”, the massive spending on wind and solar power and the wholesale shutting down through regulation of power plants and oil refineries (the East coast is going to lose 50% of its oil refining capacity over the next 10 years due to regulations) is Obama’s “Great Leap Forward”.

crosspatch on April 11, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Do you have to carry a card to be one..?

d1carter on April 11, 2012 at 1:34 PM

The terms ‘communist’, ‘socialist’, ‘progressive’, ‘union’ are all just different variants of the same fungus.

faraway on April 11, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Leftists are constantly changing their label because the truth always catches up to them.

NotCoach on April 11, 2012 at 1:35 PM

The Obama administration has appointed several people with Democratic Socialists of America connections to key government positions.
http://keywiki.org/index.php/Barack_Obama_and_the_DSA
-Ron Bloom Manufacturing Czar.
– David Bonior Member of the Obama Economic Transition Team-now delegated by president Obama to negotiate the unification of the AFL-CIO and Change to Win labor federations.
-Rosa Brooks Senior advisor to the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, Michele Flournoy.
-Carol Browner Energy Czar/Director of the White House Office of Energy and Climate Change Policy.
-Heather Higginbottom Deputy Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy, formerly with the Obama for America campaign
-Samantha Power National Security Council, as director for multilateral affairs.
-Hilda Solis Secretary of Labor.

albill on April 11, 2012 at 1:35 PM

“I think people recognize that I am not a partisan Republican. That I’m someone who is moderate, and that my views are progressive.”

Oops!

ITguy on April 11, 2012 at 1:35 PM

So did he just mistakenly use the word communist, when he meant socialist? There are differences, you know…

ernesto on April 11, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Is ernesto a turd?

Well, did I mean a dog turd, a chicken turd, or bullshit? There are differences, you know.

I guess some turds are better than others.

BobMbx on April 11, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Rather than communist, I read a story that a number of Democrats in the House were members of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA).

TarheelBen on April 11, 2012 at 1:36 PM

West is right. Think about it.

• We know (D) Barbara Lee is “former” Communist.
• We know (D) Van Jones is a “former” Communist.

• We know Obama’s White House Communications Director, Anita Dunn praised Mao Zedong in a videotaped speech to high schoolers by calling him “one of the two people that I turn to most”.

• We know Congressman (D) Bobby Rush is a “former” Black Panther, which is an organization with Communist ties and teachings.

And that’s just 4 off the top of my head. Allen West is right, this does need to be talked about. Why let the Dems hide their true colors? Obama never had released his thesis paper or college transcripts, why not?

We also have to acknowledge that the average American — including the average young American — thinks that nobody today would actually embrace the failed theories that led to the bloodiest century in human history. We can conceive of anti-capitalism and crony capitalism, of a big-government approach to the solution of all problems — but outright socialism or communism?

Not by that name. Be puzzled no longer, Nikita Khrushchev called it long ago!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ7LcplfkgY

I have personally witnessed the heart-rending results of the loss of freedom. I have talked face-to-face with the godless Communist leaders. It may surprise you to learn that I was host to Mr. Khrushchev for a half-day when he visited the United States. Not that I’m proud of it. I opposed his coming then, and I still feel it was a mistake to welcome this atheistic murderer as a state visitor.

As we talked face-to-face, he indicated that my grandchildren would live under Communism. After assuring him that I expected to do all in my power to assure that his, and all other grandchildren, will live under freedom, he arrogantly declared, in substance:

“You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright. But we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you; we’ll so weaken your economy until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands.”

joncoltonis on April 11, 2012 at 1:37 PM

The terms ‘communist’, ‘socialist’, ‘progressive’, ‘union’ are all just different variants of the same fungus.

faraway on April 11, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Well you know when anthropogenic global warming became associated with AGW hoax they started calling it Climate Change….well duh of course the climate changes. The left call themselves progressives. I would wager after 2010 Mid Term elections a progressive running under the communist label would be more popular LOL!

They aren’t just in the democrat party they have also inflitrated the republican party.

I don’t know how to count their numbers over all both parties, but I would start by seeing how many of them have accepted campaign donations from George Soros’s orgs. After all it’s Soros’s agenda they are peddling.

Dr Evil on April 11, 2012 at 1:37 PM

There are more than 80 communists in our government.

Socialism, Marxism, Communism & Obama

Roy Rogers on April 11, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Is West wrong? Would you seriously claim there aren’t at least 80 Democrats in the House who view central planning as a positive approach to governance?

NotCoach on April 11, 2012 at 1:31 PM

If he’s going to do that, he needs to name names or identify sources. Otherwise, it sounds kind of rumorish. He’s correct, I just don’t like his coyness at the end.

a capella on April 11, 2012 at 1:37 PM

p.s. lester is more foolish than Liberal4life was, and that is saying a lot.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Do you do anything around here but to insult other commenters?

lester on April 11, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Politically stupid. He’s done as the VP choice. Who’s next for foot-in-mouth disease?

jake49 on April 11, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Am I wrong? Are you saying that Republicans don’t often surrender the narrative to the left?

Is West wrong? Would you seriously claim there aren’t at least 80 Democrats in the House who view central planning as a positive approach to governance?

NotCoach on April 11, 2012 at 1:31 PM

I would agree with your question. However, West said that they “were member of the Communist Party”. That isn’t a known fact. It’s fine for you or I to spout something like this off, but West is risking his credibility by saying something that is highly speculative.

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2012 at 1:39 PM

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