Guillen gets 5-game suspension for comments on Castro, Chavez
posted at 11:36 am on April 10, 2012 by Ed Morrissey
Lesson #1 for high-profile entertainment and sports figures in Florida: Don’t run around praising Fidel Castro on any basis whatsoever. The Florida Marlins have socked manager Ozzie Guillen with a five-game suspension for his remarks praising Castro and Hugo Chavez for their longevity in power, if nothing else (via Twitchy):
Miami Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen was suspended for five games Tuesday because of his comments about Fidel Castro.
The suspension by the team takes effect immediately. It was announced shortly before Guillen was to hold a news conference to explain his remarks, which caused a public backlash.
Guillen told Time magazine he loves Castro and respects the retired Cuban leader for staying in power so long. At least two local officials said Guillen should lose his job.
There is a certain symmetry to this, as the AP notes, since Guillen has only managed the Marlins for … five games. Guillen flew home to apologize yesterday for his comments, which CNN analyzed this morning:
Perhaps Guillen hasn’t become acclimated yet to Florida’s political climate, and thinks he’s still in Chicago. However, it’s good to recall that Guillen became the darling last year of practically everyone he offended this year by attacking Sean Penn for his support of, er, Hugo Chavez:
White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen continues to be annoyed with Sean Penn, over the actor’s continued defense of Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez.
Yahoo Sports reported the feud goes all the way back to March. Penn had appeared on “Real Time with Bill Maher” and criticized the use of the word “dictator” to describe Chavez, Yahoo reported.
In response, Guillen issued the following tweet: “Sean Penn defended Chavez is easy when you have money, and no leave in out country. Shame on you, Mr. Penn.”
I have a sneaking suspicion that Guillen’s views on the topics of Castro and Chavez are significantly more nuanced than the coverage of his latest remarks has allowed. On the other hand … maybe not:
Judge for youself. Here is the Guillen quote that made its way to the Internet: “I love Fidel Castro … I respect Fidel Castro. You know why? A lot of people have wanted to kill Fidel Castro for the last sixty years but that [expletive] is still there.”
The one thing Guillen got right is this: Castro is an “expletive.” Other than that, this is the dumbest paragraph uttered by a major-league manager in the history of paragraphs and managers.
Yeah, it’s a pretty stupid thing to say anywhere, but especially in Miami. Guillen has a right to say it, but do the Marlins have a right to punish him in response? My friend from across the aisle Michael Stickings (who is absolutely no fan of Chavez and regularly criticizes the Left for soft-peddling his dictatorship) thinks this is arguably an infringement of Guillen’s right to free speech:
But here we have a different, more nuanced situation: Guillen de facto works for a quasi-public entity. Major league baseball is exempt from certain laws with respect to monopoly practices, and under those auspices, receive political scrutiny far beyond what any other industry would get.
How else do you explain Congress getting involved in a drug scandal?
In this capacity and as a public figure, Guillen has influence beyond the domain of his clubhouse.
Generally, sports figures stay away from politics. It’s bad for contract negotiations, which is also why you see players setting up charities for kids with cancer or who are poor. And remember, Cassius Clay spent time in jail after he changed his name to Muhammad Ali and refused the draft for Vietnam as a conscietious objector.
It has happened, however, where ballplayers have gotten involved in making political statements and paid no price: in the 1960s, black players would express support for Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Some ballplayers even protested the Vietnam War (Tom Seaver, one of the greatest pitchers ever, springs to mind).
Hell, Castro was scouted for baseball when he was a kid!
Guillen should pay no price, either. He’s apologized, but I don’t think he needed to. If Guillen is to pay a price, if we are to clearly remove politics from sports (which might not be a bad thing, but right now, is not a necessary thing), then Tim Thomas should be forced to remove his helmet while playing for the Boston Bruins. He paid no official price for refusing to meet with President Obama, either. If Guillen is punished, then so should Tim Thomas.
I’d argue that sports teams have the right to determine whether either or both damaged the their enterprise by speaking out, and that the two teams can make different determinations as to whether punishment is appropriate. I don’t buy the idea that MLB is “quasi-public” because of its antitrust exemption, either, but even if it was, free speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of speech. Other than the contractual obligations both Guillen and the Marlins freely engaged, the team has no requirement to keep employing him as the manager, and no requirement to stand silent when he creates a situation that damages their brand.
However, in my opinion, a five-game suspension is an overreaction. Guillen said something stupid in an interview — he didn’t order a player beaned or shove an umpire. A fine would have been more appropriate in this case, along with an admonition borrowed in spirit from Laura Ingraham: shut up and play.
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Trekkies everywhere will now curse you.
I ain’t one, I still think you’re cute.
cozmo on April 6, 2013 at 7:05 PM
The way Kim treats his own people, I would have thought even low life Castro would despise him.
VorDaj on April 6, 2013 at 7:09 PM
China is 100% responsible. North Korea is their dog.
VorDaj on April 6, 2013 at 7:11 PM
Meh, socialist dictators stick together like democrats.
cozmo on April 6, 2013 at 7:11 PM
Kim probably has a GoldMember..
Electrongod on April 6, 2013 at 7:13 PM
Kim better watch his freakin’ self
Electrongod on April 6, 2013 at 7:15 PM
I say, I say, Boy!!
dddave on April 6, 2013 at 7:18 PM
Looks like John McCain loaned Fidel Castro his “Get off of my lawn, whackbird!!!!” hat.
Resist We Much on April 6, 2013 at 7:24 PM
No?
Nothing?
Not even a titter..
Tough thread..
Electrongod on April 6, 2013 at 7:24 PM
Kim’s fasha would be proud..
Electrongod on April 6, 2013 at 7:30 PM
…yoikes.
When a fellow Communist dictator tells his pal to take a chill pill…you KNOW things are about to go south. (or north in this case).
My sister has friends with family members in SK. Very, very, scary.
MelonCollie on April 6, 2013 at 7:32 PM
Michael Ledeen had an interesting column suggesting that N. Korea is really trying to draw attention from truly important events for the anti-US bloc, such as the Venezuelan election.
It’s not as crazy as it sounds if you think about how dependant are many of these countries on discounted Venezuelan oil to keep their economies going.
blue13326 on April 6, 2013 at 7:35 PM
MeanWhole,back at Team USA!
ICBM Test Scrubbed till next week:
Official says the Pentagon has delayed an intercontinental ballistic missile test for next week amid mounting tensions with North Korea – @AP
48 mins ago from http://www.mercurynews.com by editor
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_22970755/ap-source-us-delays-missile-test-tensions-rise
====================================
http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/north-korea-nuclear-program
canopfor on April 6, 2013 at 7:41 PM
Le crap,thats MeanWhile,not (MeanWhole),ugh,spelling error!
canopfor on April 6, 2013 at 7:42 PM
True enough but oftentimes bad people drop the leash on their dogs in a crowd of good people just to watch the blood flow, and that’s when shit gets complicated.
Sacramento on April 6, 2013 at 7:44 PM
“The official says Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel delayed the long-planned Minuteman 3 test because of concerns the launch could be misinterpreted and exacerbate the current crisis. ” – from canopfor’s link.
There you go folks..
How much would this test cost?
Couldn’t it have been included in the sequester?
I mean..
If we are too afraid to test..
But have no problem shutting down our own control towers..
And cutting our defense..
Our enemies must love us..
We have no problem making ourselves vulnerable..
And we elected it..
Again…
Electrongod on April 6, 2013 at 7:48 PM
Oh no! Nothing so extreme. Fidel is chiding Kim Jong Un for pushing the issue. They’ve got a friend in the rat-eared devil. But he needs time to join them as a totalitarian. He still has to gut the Constitution. He has to get the guns out of private hands. He’s got to so divide this nation that riots erupt on the streets where his hooligans enforce the new order while any American who resists is rounded up, killed, or subdued.
It really is that simple.
Happy Nomad on April 6, 2013 at 8:16 PM
UpDatey:
More: US defense official says missile test delayed to avoid ‘miscalculation’ given North Korea tensions – @Reuters
19 mins ago by editor
=========================
https://twitter.com/Reuters
http://www.breakingnews.com/
canopfor on April 6, 2013 at 8:18 PM
And we elected it..
Again…
Electrongod on April 6, 2013 at 7:48 PM
Electrongod:
I do notice,the *Planned Test Crap*,as not to scare Kim
Ill,or,
because of SeQuester,the GOP let America become vapourized!
(snark on the Vapourization,by Team GOP)—–:)
canopfor on April 6, 2013 at 8:22 PM
That’s what sticks in my craw. The first time was out of ignorance, what’s the excuse for the second time? Cultural rot? National suicide?
Really really successful massive voter fraud? All of the above?
squint on April 6, 2013 at 8:24 PM
RE:ICBM Test:
Associated Press
The Associated Press The Associated Press @AP 12m
Delayed US missile test unrelated to U.S.-South Korean military exercises that stoked North Korean anger: http://apne.ws/10FwM9l -RD
=============
AP source: US delays missile test as tensions rise
By LOLITA C. BALDOR
— Apr. 6 7:45 PM EDT
********************
The official said Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel decided to put off the long-planned Minuteman 3 test until sometime next month because of concerns the launch could be misinterpreted and exacerbate the Korean crisis. Hagel made the decision Friday, the official said.(More…)
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-source-us-delays-missile-test-tensions-rise
canopfor on April 6, 2013 at 8:26 PM
But we have Plan B!!!!!
Fore Free!!!
Electrongod on April 6, 2013 at 8:27 PM
I don’t think it’s quite going to go that far. Kim III has been in power what, about a year now? The Chinese have had just about enough of him. They can’t afford to have a hot war to their south involving the US.
For once in his miserable life, even if only for the most pragmatic of reasons, on the surface, anyway Castro is trying to do right. It seems he (this may be Raoul, not Fidel) understands that a hot war between the US and another Chinese client country will blow back on him in spades. It’s entirely possible the Chinese asked him to step in, in an attempt to get Kim III to dial it back a bit.
BillH on April 6, 2013 at 8:33 PM
Castro to Kim: We’re allies and everything, but you really need to calm down
==========
Hmmmm….,
Hopeys/Changey’s Slow-Motion CooBaa 62′ Missile Crisis
Kim Don’t let it go to waste Sumpin More Serious this round
me thinks,
or,
not!!
canopfor on April 6, 2013 at 8:37 PM
Any of this gettin’ thru to ya, son?
Cleombrotus on April 6, 2013 at 9:01 PM
…some bully needed to beat Kim up as a kid.
KOOLAID2 on April 6, 2013 at 9:05 PM
A “flood of images that would present him as the most sinister figure in American history”. Hey,Fidel he already IS the most sinister figure in American history.WTF are you putting in your cigars?
jeffinsjvca on April 6, 2013 at 9:08 PM
i can’t believe i’m saying this-i agree with Castro.
gerrym51 on April 6, 2013 at 9:17 PM
We can only hope. Oh, Fidel’s talking about if Obama goes to war? Oh, never mind…….
GWB on April 6, 2013 at 9:57 PM
well hell, we have our boats there now.
johnnyU on April 6, 2013 at 10:48 PM
He’s certainly wised up from the Missile Crisis days when he was on the phone to his masters screaming for the order to nuke the dirty capitalist pigdogs.
MelonCollie on April 6, 2013 at 11:07 PM
Yes and Russians took away his toys when they realized he was missing a few screws and bolts.
William Eaton on April 7, 2013 at 12:09 AM
More like people not wanting to believe that the media is completely in the tank for one political party, like Goebbels and Pravda were in the tank for Hitler and the Soviet leadership. The media told them things were getting better. They told them that Obama did as good a job as possibly could with the mess he was handed. Americans like re-electing incumbents, and as bad as things seem to be, the fact that the media was cutting Obama slack, and not going after him like they did with Bush, was enough to make enough people say “I guess he’s doing an okay job, all things considered”.
ardenenoch on April 7, 2013 at 12:24 AM
This.
Oh and delayed missile test. Yeah, cuz telling dictators we are scared of spooking them always works so well:
WWII
Korea
Vietnam
Iran (79)
Iraq (90)
Afghanistan (01)
WitchDoctor on April 7, 2013 at 3:29 AM
Why play nice?
Turn that turd world country into a glass skating rink. 2 days and a couple fly overs, and its game over. Oh wait, there’s no money involved in wiping scum off the face of the earth….
Polish Rifle on April 7, 2013 at 8:07 AM
yes communist dictators do.
unseen on April 7, 2013 at 3:03 PM
I have to give the Commies credit for sometimes being rabid with their obvious desire to rule the world, but NOT being suicidal. They didn’t much value their average soldier or citizen, but I never heard of them training children to use suicide belts.
MelonCollie on April 7, 2013 at 8:07 PM
Ya know, if North Korea fires a missile at us, that would be the perfect excuse to lay waste to Cuba.
I’m starting to like that fat little bastard.
JackM on April 9, 2013 at 10:05 AM