Cardinal Dolan defends Santorum’s comments on JFK church-and-state speech

posted at 7:01 pm on April 8, 2012 by Tina Korbe

On “Face the Nation” this morning, Cardinal Timothy Dolan said he agreed with both Rick Santorum and J.F.K. about the separation of church and state: While the church should not run the state or vice versa, faith should certainly impact individual politicians’ decisions.

“Senator Santorum had a good point, because, unfortunately, what John Kennedy said in September of 1960,” Cardinal Dolan said, “has been misinterpreted to mean that a separation of church and state also means a cleavage, a wall, between one’s faith and one’s political decisions, between one’s — one’s moral focus and between the way one might act in the political sphere.”

“I don’t think John Kennedy meant that,” the cardinal said.

Saying that Kennedy “did mean a wall between state and church, and I’d applaud that one,” he went on to say: “But I’d agree with Senator Santorum that, unfortunately, that’s been misrepresented to mean that faith has no place in the public square. That I would, with Senator Santorum, say is a misinterpretation.”

Rick Santorum has been criticized for once saying that he “almost threw up” when he first read the text of Kennedy’s landmark speech. Dolan’s remarks provide some cover for Santorum’s comment by making the remark less a reaction to Kennedy’s words than to the way they’ve been interpreted. While Santorum clearly was reacting to the text of the speech itself, he likely read it with the common interpretation in mind.

In his TV appearance this morning, Dolan also reiterated his opposition to the administration’s contraception mandate and noted that it represents precisely the sort of intrusion into the life of the Church that separation of church and state is supposed to prevent. As the bishops have noted repeatedly, the mandate intrudes on church territory primarily by defining what constitutes ministry for the purpose of conscience exemptions. By refusing exemptions to church-affiliated institutions and limiting exemptions strictly to churches, the administration has adopted the narrowest possible view of what constitutes “church.” Will it be just a matter of time before the administration says even some churches are not churches? Say those that don’t offer worship services of a certain duration or particular sacraments?


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“I find myself … agreeing with both of them.”

RINO squish.

RINO in Name Only on April 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM

RINO in Name Only on April 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Not really – just trying to keep L4L from perverting the Bishop system.

RINO in Name Only on April 8, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Hello? Anybody home?

RINO in Name Only on April 8, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Southern conservatives thought Kennedy was the devil, the equivalent of Barack Obama because he was a Catholic. He had to say those things to alay fears that he’d somehow be beholden to the Vatican. To pretend it was anything other than that, by anyone, is disingenuous at best, ignorant of history at worst.

Boomer_Sooner on April 8, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Hello? Anybody home?

RINO in Name Only on April 8, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Is this place still open? Did they close early because of Easter? I thought I saw a light on upstairs…

RINO in Name Only on April 8, 2012 at 7:13 PM

A must read by Ann Barnhardt and be sure to watch the video re: AB Timothy Dolan and his “antics”.

On Cardinal Dolan (And It Ain’t Good)
Posted by Ann Barnhardt – February 18, AD 2012 10:01 PM MST

The Archbishop of New York, Timothy Dolan, was made a Cardinal today. Dolan embodies the sleazy, politicking, used-car-salesman wing of the episcopacy. I trust the guy about as far as I can throw him – by his HAIR. I fully expect him to cave to Obama, and to do it fairly quickly.
http://youtu.be/sQEmO07DpaI

sicoit on April 8, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Catholics Cardinals need to know when it comes to amnesty the republican party are not on their side

liberal4life on April 8, 2012 at 7:15 PM

It is silly to expect religious politicians to leave their religion behind whenever they are at work making decisions for the country. Their religion is their moral/ethical foundation. So it doesn’t make sense to expect them to do something that completely goes against their morals, and a higher power…

Sachiko on April 8, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Santorum is an idiot. Was JFK saying only atheists can hold office? not even close. oh and Dolan, your slip is showing

DBear on April 8, 2012 at 7:21 PM

DBear on April 8, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Your hatred is showing..:)

idesign on April 8, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Catholics Cardinals need to know when it comes to amnestyfreedom of religion the republican party are Democratic Party is not on their side.

liberal4life on April 8, 2012 at 7:15 PM

See Solicitor General’s brief in Hosanna-Tabor. (SCOTUS rejected the Dems’ views, 9-0).

Wethal on April 8, 2012 at 7:32 PM

DBear on April 8, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Your hatred is showing..:)

idesign on April 8, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Dbear is one of the unhappiest trolls I have ever encountered.

CW on April 8, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Catholics Cardinals need to know when it comes to amnesty the republican party are not on their side

liberal4life on April 8, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Pssst they are not as dumb as you . Yes they know that GOPers in general are not all that keen on amnesty as the left is. They also realize that your side cannot get enough baby killing either.

CW on April 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Sounded like he supported Santorum’s statement partway at best. The beef isn’t with Kennedy. What he said wasn’t out there, and focused more on the fact that we cannot risk allowing government to establish ties to freedom of religion.

It’s what the radical left has done since then that perverts it, in twisting that concept to prevent the basic standards of Natural Law (as supported by most major religions) in having any bearing limiting the actions of men. That’s what Dolan focused on this morning.

Gingotts on April 8, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Will it be just a matter of time before the administration says even some churches are not churches? Say those that don’t offer worship services of a certain duration or particular sacraments?

Look, if you want the govt involved in religion you can’t just have it involved your way on your terms.

Moesart on April 8, 2012 at 7:40 PM

If a man is truly a believer and a practices his faith I suspect it is nearly impossible to separate his belief system from his actions completely . If he in fact can I would have to doubt his genuineness.

CW on April 8, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Catholics Cardinals need to know when it comes to amnesty the republican party are not on their side

liberal4life on April 8, 2012 at 7:15 PM

You are a walking cliche, a reactive talking point.

ShadowsPawn on April 8, 2012 at 7:43 PM

JFK’s statement made Dolan want to half-vomit?

Take a stand, Cardinal.

Not a half-step.

profitsbeard on April 8, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Look, if you want the govt involved in religion you can’t just have it involved your way on your terms.

Moesart on April 8, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Actually the point is she does not want government involved in religion. You’re pretty slow on the uptake.

CW on April 8, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Americans don’t want religious zealotry coming from the White House. Period.

rubberneck on April 8, 2012 at 7:44 PM

liberal4life on April 8, 2012 at 7:15 PM

You are a walking cliche, a reactive talking point.

ShadowsPawn on April 8, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Nailed it.

CW on April 8, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Is this place still open? Did they close early because of Easter? I thought I saw a light on upstairs…

RINO in Name Only on April 8, 2012 at 7:13 PM

It’s lisa stealing the leftover dougbnuts. Again.

katy the mean old lady on April 8, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Any word on how Bella is doing?

Key West Reader on April 8, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Politics should reflect the values of the people and to the degree that religion influences those values, that is all fair and acceptable. Politicians may try to influence people and through them influence Religious values. That is fair and acceptable. The degree that politics attempts to dictate to religions directly; that is unfair and unacceptable. I think this administration is going over the line in an attempt to intimidate the church by threatening tax exemptions for preaching values the government does not agree with or forcing religious organizations to perform acts they find immoral if they wish to interact with the community through providing adoption services or providing medical facilities etc.

KW64 on April 8, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Dbear is one of the unhappiest trolls I have ever encountered.

CW on April 8, 2012 at 7:35 PM

He isn’t any good at this and knows it. Several posters, including myself, have suggested he learn a new skill. Being good at something would surely make him happier.

a capella on April 8, 2012 at 7:53 PM

The current White House & those who misunderstand the “separation of church & state” don’t understand freedom of religion either, as the Founders allowed that the practice of freedom of religion would have effects on the public.

I think Cardinal Dolan will be a good spokeman to push back against the Obama administration’s power grab.

22044 on April 8, 2012 at 7:53 PM

It’s lisa stealing the leftover dougbnuts. Again.

katy the mean old lady on April 8, 2012 at 7:50 PM

It has been reported by the most reputable newz network NBC that Dunkin Donuts has been losing profits. The staff (WE’RE LOOKING AT YOU LISA) has been eating the inventory.

Key West Reader on April 8, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Southern conservatives thought Kennedy was the devil, the equivalent of Barack Obama because he was a Catholic. He had to say those things to alay fears that he’d somehow be beholden to the Vatican. To pretend it was anything other than that, by anyone, is disingenuous at best, ignorant of history at worst.

Boomer_Sooner on April 8, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Hoo boy. I remember those days. My cousin cgot her butt in a sling when she told one of the nuns :but, Sister,my dad says JFK is an azzhole.”
I didn’t know you could get detention for life.

katy the mean old lady on April 8, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Any word on how Bella is doing?

Key West Reader on April 8, 2012 at 7:50 PM

This article says her condition has stabilized:

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpps/news/santorum-says-campaign-to-continue-dpgonc-km-20120408_19060891

RINO in Name Only on April 8, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Key West Reader on April 8, 2012 at 7:53 PM

They edited that audio too. It actually said Krispy Kreme. :D

22044 on April 8, 2012 at 7:56 PM

22044 on

April 8, 2012 at 7:53 PM

…………

Let’s call them what they are. They used to be called Communists and Socialists. Now they are called “Statists”.

Your rights as a human being will come from the State and the State’s Statists. You are incapable of thinking for yourself. you are incapable of caring for yourself or making decisions for yourself. You might be able to reproduce but your children belong to them.

Barack Obama 2012.

Are you “in”?

Key West Reader on April 8, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Why is the Cardinal trying to defend Santorum?

Santorum is irrelevant – the GOP establishment has picked Willard McDole and it’s legions of conservative slaves will go to the polls and vote thusly.

HondaV65 on April 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Key West Reader on April 8, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Barack Obama’s latest fundraising letter?

22044 on April 8, 2012 at 7:58 PM

I think Cardinal Dolan will be a good spokeman to push back against the Obama administration’s power grab.

22044 on April 8, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Don’t count on it – the Church is still very much PRO-Universal Health Care.

HondaV65 on April 8, 2012 at 7:59 PM

This article says her condition has stabilized:

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpps/news/santorum-says-campaign-to-continue-dpgonc-km-20120408_19060891

RINO in Name Only on April 8, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Good news, thanks for the link.

22044 on April 8, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Santorum is irrelevant – the GOP establishment has picked Willard McDole and it’s legions of conservative slaves will go to the polls and vote thusly.

HondaV65 on April 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM

You know, I’ve never felt as “iffy” as I do today. Can Willard be pushed into the conservative column; given his life experience, most young liberals and care-nothings become conservative when they grow up. Do you think Willard has it in him?

I just don’t know. And that really sucks. And so does the GOP establishment.

Key West Reader on April 8, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Don’t count on it – the Church is still very much PRO-Universal Health Care.

HondaV65 on April 8, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Errr.

Key West Reader on April 8, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Dbear is one of the unhappiest trolls I have ever encountered.

CW on April 8, 2012 at 7:35 PM

He isn’t any good at this and knows it. Several posters, including myself, have suggested he learn a new skill. Being good at something would surely make him happier.

a capella on April 8, 2012 at 7:53 PM

lib4life is cleaning his clock in most categories, including post count, word count, inanity quotient, and derangement index.

However, he has appealed to the refs on the post and word counts, saying that only original posts should count, not duplicates. I think he has a point there, to be honest. And if the judges rule L4L’s duplicates invalid, then her post count plummets to something like 2 per month on average.

They’re still waiting on the final decision – I think that’s why he’s so cranky… it’s the suspense.

RINO in Name Only on April 8, 2012 at 8:07 PM

who cares what a religious figure thinks about religious freedom…it’s about 9.00/mo. birth control and the war on ugly liberal woman.

DHChron on April 8, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Why is the Cardinal trying to defend Santorum?

HondaV65

Read it again. He doesn’t. He disagrees with Sant. as nicely as possible.

Santorum is irrelevant – the GOP establishment has picked Willard McDole and it’s legions of conservative slaves will go to the polls and vote thusly.

He may or may not be. That’s not what the Cardinal was asked. The Cardinal is responding to a question.

chimney sweep on April 8, 2012 at 8:12 PM

You know, I’ve never felt as “iffy” as I do today. Can Willard be pushed into the conservative column; given his life experience, most young liberals and care-nothings become conservative when they grow up. Do you think Willard has it in him?

I just don’t know. And that really sucks. And so does the GOP establishment.

Key West Reader on April 8, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I’m not sure about pushing him into the conservative column in the sense of some kind of true, inner conversion. But I do think he is infinitely less likely to veto conservative legislation than Obama is.

I find it very hard to imagine Romney doing heavy lifting to overturn Obamacare. I also find it extremely hard to imagine him doing any heavy lifting to keep it in place. The same applies to most other political issues.

[Romney + liberal congress] could potentially be almost as bad as [Obama + liberal congress], but [Romney + even mildly conservative congress] is light-years ahead of [Obama + even mildly conservative congress].

RINO in Name Only on April 8, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Oh boy, the break Santorum’s been looking for. He’ll ride this and an Etch A Sketch prop to the nomination. Karen will be so proud.

jan3 on April 8, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Good news, thanks for the link.

22044 on April 8, 2012 at 8:00 PM

No problem. Hope things get better for her and the rest of the family.

RINO in Name Only on April 8, 2012 at 8:23 PM

RINO in Name Only on April 8, 2012 at 8:17 PM

You just made a lot of sense about the situation. Vote for the most conservative choice no matter where on the ticket.

jazzuscounty on April 8, 2012 at 8:28 PM

RINO squish.

RINO in Name Only on April 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM

We don’t much agree about stuff, but I know you well enpough to know that you were being funny. Made me laugh.

davidk on April 8, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Don’t count on it – the Church is still very much PRO-Universal Health Care.

HondaV65 on April 8, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Errr.

Key West Reader on April 8, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Don’t sweat it, KayDubya. he’s refering to the not-very-reverend Wright’s church.

davidk on April 8, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Southern conservatives thought Kennedy was the devil, the equivalent of Barack Obama because he was a Catholic. He had to say those things to alay fears that he’d somehow be beholden to the Vatican. To pretend it was anything other than that, by anyone, is disingenuous at best, ignorant of history at worst.

Boomer_Sooner on April 8, 2012 at 7:13 PM

I remember that very well. They had a great fear that the Pope would run the country.

DoubleClutchin on April 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

We don’t much agree about stuff, but I know you well enpough to know that you were being funny. Made me laugh.

davidk on April 8, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Then my mission is complete.

Happy Easter.

RINO in Name Only on April 8, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Southern conservatives thought Kennedy was the devil, the equivalent of Barack Obama because he was a Catholic. He had to say those things to alay fears that he’d somehow be beholden to the Vatican. To pretend it was anything other than that, by anyone, is disingenuous at best, ignorant of history at worst.

Boomer_Sooner on April 8, 2012 at 7:13 PM

I remember that very well. They had a great fear that the Pope would run the country.

DoubleClutchin on April 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

When I think about what JFK said and what Santorum had to say about it, I can’t help but remember Thomas Jefferson’s letter in which the phrase “church and state” was used and also when Jefferson said that America was not a Christian nation.

Both statements by Jefferson have been used by the left against the Church and against the Christian foundation of this country.

The left deliberately twists what it can to downplay the founding of this country as a move to liberty of religion and oppression by an unjust and greedy king. What it cannot twist, the left tries to destroy.

Jvette on April 8, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Catholics Cardinals need to know when it comes to amnesty the republican party are not on their side

liberal4life on April 8, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Catholic Cardinals do not need to be reminded that, when it comes to life, Democrats couldn’t give a muck.

Democrats remind them 24/7/365.

Resist We Much on April 8, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Catholics Cardinals need to know when it comes to amnesty the republican party are not on their side

liberal4life on April 8, 2012 at 7:15 PM

LOL. And Catholic cardinals know that, when it comes to the mere existence of the Catholic Church, that the Barack Obama Party wants to destroy them, punish them, and drive them out of public life.

You’re an insane anti-religious bigot. You and your Barack Obama Party have made it clear that you want Catholics and anyone else who would dare disagree with your fascist Obama Party eliminated. And you think you can manipulate the cardinals with your lies?

The Catholic Church knows the Obama Party is a horde of anti-Christian bigots. They also know that the Barack Obama Party is rampantly hypocritical, given how Barack Obama supports and endorses enslavement of women and rape of children as practiced by the Obama-endorsed Black Muslims.

northdallasthirty on April 8, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Catholics Cardinals need to know when it comes to amnesty the republican party are not on their side

liberal4life on April 8, 2012 at 7:15 PM

…where did you learn that?

KOOLAID2 on April 8, 2012 at 9:30 PM

You are a walking cliche, a reactive talking point.

ShadowsPawn on April 8, 2012 at 7:43 PM

You think it walks? I always assumed it just oozes to and fro between the basement computer and the Cheetos cabinet.

thirtyandseven on April 8, 2012 at 9:30 PM

This man is not a man of the cloth. He is simply a political hack masquerading as a cardinal. Stay out of partisan politics “cardinal”

Uppereastside on April 8, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Uppereastside on April 8, 2012 at 10:49 PM

I rest easy in what you said, because since you said it, the opposite is true.

22044 on April 8, 2012 at 11:15 PM

“I don’t think John Kennedy meant that,” the cardinal said.

I think he did.

“But because I am a Catholic, and no Catholic has ever been elected president, the real issues in this campaign have been obscured — perhaps deliberately, in some quarters less responsible than this. So it is apparently necessary for me to state once again not what kind of church I believe in — for that should be important only to me — but what kind of America I believe in.”

If one’s religious focus is to be kept private, and is note to be a measuring stick as to how one will treat other Americans (either born or unborn), then Mr. Kennedy certainly was arguing that he could containerize his Catholicism — that the lessons he learned during his attendance at Mass every Sunday, or the Bible he read at his bedside — none of these would inform his administration or promulgation of law.

He said it, and, by every evidence we have, he followed it.

unclesmrgol on April 8, 2012 at 11:39 PM

I think you could say that Kennedy also keep a “wall of separation” between his personal life and his church. No?

MHatch on April 9, 2012 at 12:39 AM

The Cardinals had some season last year.

IlikedAUH2O on April 9, 2012 at 1:18 AM

I think you could say that Kennedy also keep a “wall of separation” between his personal life and his church. No?

MHatch on April 9, 2012 at 12:39 AM

And, his private escapades and Jackie. It appears the press knew as did all of his advisors.

Fallon on April 9, 2012 at 8:39 AM

By refusing exemptions to church-affiliated institutions and limiting exemptions strictly to churches, the administration has adopted the narrowest possible view of what constitutes “church.” Will it be just a matter of time before the administration says even some churches are not churches? Say those that don’t offer worship services of a certain duration or particular sacraments?

Are the women in the Obama administration pushing this to divide Americans, really dumb enough to take on the Holy Roman Church?

I am voting the back lash to the secular progressives in November 2010, will be followed by another in November 2012.

The progressive secular left are apparently making WAR on the 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution.

Dr Evil on April 9, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Are Is the women woman in the Obama administration pushing this to divide Americans, really dumb enough to take on the Holy Roman Church?

Dr Evil on April 9, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Valerie Jarret is as stupid and as dangerous as a rattle snake.

She will strike out at EVERYTHING she perceives is a threat.

Roy Rogers on April 9, 2012 at 9:29 AM