German solution: Tax the young!

posted at 8:30 am on April 7, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

For those who like to cite Germany as some sort of model of fiscal probity and “getting it right” in terms of economic modeling, think again. Like many other nations – ours included – the Germans are looking a decade or two down the road and seeing that their tax base simply isn’t going to support all of the pensioners collecting benefits. They’re experiencing their own “baby boom” problem, with projections that there will be seven million fewer workers paying into the system by 2030.

But fear not. They’ve come up with a solution!

Angela Merkel’s Christian Democrats have drafted proposals that, if law, would require all those over 25 to pay a proportion of their income to cushion Germany against a looming population crisis.

The German Chancellor’s ruling party is seeking extra sources of revenue to pay for soaring pensions and bills for social care costs as Germany’s ”baby boomer” generation ages amid a decline in the birth rate.

The proposals, to be adopted by Dr Merkel’s party cabinet after the Easter break, have not yet set a figure on the age tax but officials are considering a special levy of about 1 per cent of income.

Sound familiar? The Germans aren’t facing a theological problem or an ideological problem or a philosophic problem. They’re looking at a math problem. The numbers just don’t add up. Michael Walsh at National Review thinks he recognizes a pattern.

Utterly predictable, of course, especially in the land of Kinderfeindlichkeit. The Germans never really thought this whole la dolce vita thing through. They believed that, via a combination of the American nuclear umbrella and NATO forces (which meant they could cut their defense budget to nearly nothing) and the Teutonic ability to extract a stunning portion of worker salaries to spend on the “safety net” — a safety net that included months-long vacations, free medical care, and trips to spas — they could enter the work force at 28, retire at 50 and spend the rest of their lives in Italy or Greece at someone else’s expense. Nice work if you can get it. But now the party’s over.

Germany realized the same sort of long term benefit in the post-WW2 era that Japan did. (Not that anyone would want to trade places with them, obviously.) By essentially being locked out of any spiraling arms races they were freed from the expense of maintaining and expanding a military. They also got a lot of help with rebuilding their essential infrastructure. They still collected significant taxes, but as Walsh points out, they had the luxury of dumping all of that money into a system which even Americans would regard as extravagant, if not luxurious.

Now the bills are coming due. We certainly haven’ stumbled upon a solution to this riddle yet. Let’s see if the Germans can figure it out.


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I wonder if Obama is envious?

pat on May 15, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Obama can offer some tips on how to jump start a country..

No..
Seriously..

Electrongod on May 15, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Maybe it is time to look at the Socialist Ideology behind their economic policies…?

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Guess I’d better get rid of those euros that I have left from my trip to Ireland in March, eh?

Bob's Kid on May 15, 2013 at 9:26 PM

BREAKING:

Other People’s money runs out; EU in decline.

BobMbx on May 15, 2013 at 9:27 PM

I wonder if Obama is envious?

pat on May 15, 2013 at 9:25 P

I wonder if Obama knows.

Well, it is on the news so there’s a chance.

BobMbx on May 15, 2013 at 9:28 PM

“The misery continues,” said Carsten Brzeski, a senior economist at ING in Brussels. “Almost all core countries bar Germany are in recession and so far nothing has helped in stopping this downward spiral.

Huh, maybe someone should’ve warned them or something.

squint on May 15, 2013 at 9:33 PM

As Maggie Thatcher was wont to say, “Sooner or later they run out of other peoples money.”

Screw the EU…

Scrumpy on May 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM

I wonder if Obama is envious?

pat on May 15, 2013 at 9:25 P

I wonder if Obama knows.

Well, it is on the news so there’s a chance.

BobMbx on May 15, 2013 at 9:28 PM

…JugEars:like everything else…”I first learned about this…from news reports…like everybody else!”

KOOLAID2 on May 15, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Once upon a time, America had an economy strong enough to lead the world out of recessions.

Then, Progressives came along and America changed.

MTF on May 15, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Hmmmm…..seems all that “free stuff” in the EU wasn’t “free” after all.

Is Barry taking notes?

GarandFan on May 15, 2013 at 9:48 PM

You know it is time for personal intervention when you are reading about economics and politics on HA while the tornado sirens are blaring outside.

Limerick on May 15, 2013 at 9:49 PM

This isn’t good for North America, either.

rickv404 on May 15, 2013 at 9:50 PM

They need a real federal system like we have in the US. That way, the left can screw around until Mercedes looks like GM and Germany goes the way of Michigan.

Then they blame the Swiss or British investors and bankers.

They don’t have our racism but with a little imagination they can whip up a decent copy in reliving wars or soccer games which didn’t work out like they wanted. Ok, it is lame but their version of a Harley sounds like a sewing machine, anyway.

IlikedAUH2O on May 15, 2013 at 9:59 PM

The only way for the Euroweenies to get out of these awful economic doldrums is to raise taxes.

SparkPlug on May 15, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Downward spiral? Wait till they hit Barock bottom.

SparkPlug on May 15, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Womp: Eurozone dragging into its sixth straight quarter of recession

Green shoots!!

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 15, 2013 at 10:02 PM

According to polling data just released from Pew, support for the European Union and the common currency is quickly souring across much of Europe;

I find this bit of “news” interesting because there was never much popular support for the EU. They had to stop holding referenda for their retarded Constitution because it went down in flames the few times it was tried (so they then snuck it in by calling it the Lisbon TREATY, instead … and as a TREATY it didn’t need a plebiscite … yup).

Maybe support has dipped even further but the EU was never able to withstand any popular vote. Heck, in Britain they made a sport of intentionally not letting anyone vote on anything about it.

All that said, Eurotrash is just doing what Eurotrash does … killing themselves and destroying everything within arm’s length of them. They’ve been pulling this destructive suicidal junk for almost a century, now.

Let us not forget that Barky was always a bigger hit in Europe than he ever was, here. Heck, the biggest political rally (possibly in history) was Barky’s illegal, un-Constitutional, un-American and offensive Berlin rally for Germans. Barky never should have been allowed to return to the US after that. The Eurotrash loved him … they should have been forced to keep the retard.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Can I buy Spain yet on Ebay?

Capitalist Hog on May 15, 2013 at 10:11 PM

How long before they change the EU to eewwww?

socalcon on May 15, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Just as a technical reminder – European GDP estimates are not annualized, so if one wants to compare it to what the BEA puts out there, multiply by 4 to get a close-enough-for-government-work approximation. That makes the overall rate -0.8%, and Germany’s rate +0.4%, on an annualized basis.

As for the continued German support for the pEU, they must be thinking that Brussels is once again in Greater Germany.

Steve Eggleston on May 15, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Can I buy Spain yet on Ebay?

Capitalist Hog on May 15, 2013 at 10:11 PM

S&H is going to kill you.

trigon on May 15, 2013 at 11:47 PM

As Maggie Thatcher was wont to say, “Sooner or later they run out of other peoples money.”

Screw the EU…

Scrumpy on May 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Totally agreed!!

jimver on May 16, 2013 at 2:10 AM

This isn’t good for North America, either.

rickv404 on May 15, 2013 at 9:50 PM

If we had accurate data, instead of politically massaged propaganda, we would see Europe is not alone.

dogsoldier on May 16, 2013 at 8:02 AM

Can I buy Spain yet on Ebay?

Capitalist Hog on May 15, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Not yet. But I wouldn’t say it’s impossible that we’ll see such a thing in our lifetimes.

We’re getting a front-row seat at the final stages of what happens to nations that subscribe to some moronic liberal sing-around-the-campfire version of international unity, with a generous dose of economic socialism used in the recipe.

MelonCollie on May 16, 2013 at 8:14 AM