Your tax tuition dollars at work

posted at 9:10 am on April 5, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

One thing is for sure this election year… we’re going to be investing more in education. (And by “for sure” I mean, “not at all” once the election is over.) But everyone is talking about it. And let’s admit that education is important if we’re going to train up a new generation of scientists, engineers, business leaders and the people who will make the economy go.

So… how’s that working out?

College and university administrators have been happy to scoop up all the money by rapidly raising tuitions and fees. Higher-ed expenses have been rising much more rapidly than inflation for three decades.

And what has the money been spent on? Some of it presumably goes to professors in the hard sciences and the great scholars who have made American universities the best in the world. Well and good.

But many university administrators have other priorities. The University of California system has been raising tuitions and cutting departments. But, reports John Leo in the invaluable Minding the Campus blog, its San Diego campus found the money to create a new post of “vice chancellor for equity, diversity and inclusion.”

That’s in addition to what the Manhattan Institute’s Heather Mac Donald calls its “already massive diversity apparatus.” It takes Mac Donald 103 words just to list the titles of UCSD’s diversitycrats.

The money for the new vice chancellorship could have supported two of the three cancer researchers that the campus lost to Rice University in Houston, a private school that apparently takes the strange view that hard science is more important than diversity facilitators.

So basically, we may not find a cure for cancer, but we’re going to be chock full of people who can make you feel better about it.

This is one of those crazy stories which seems to keep cropping up that ticks everyone off but probably doesn’t mean very much in the end. This isn’t a government problem and it’s not an education problem. It’s the administrative branch of the the industry of education which bends to the winds of populism rather than offering the best path toward success for their students. But in the end, nobody made the students go there. Everyone participates in the free market of education. The only votes which count here are the ones cast with the feet and wallets of parents and students.


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So no one here has caught on that student loans and grants are used to prop up the liberal left’s academia friends? Its a farce perpetrated on the students and the taxpayer.

aniptofar on April 5, 2012 at 9:14 AM

They conficate our money and use it to indoctrinate our kids.

newportmike on April 5, 2012 at 9:16 AM

to create a new post of “vice chancellor for equity, diversity and inclusion.”

Wasn’t it of course California that I read that there is a push to increase the numbers of “trans-gendered” students? Tax write off or other perks I’d guess. Those A+++ Asian high schoolers frustrated with the deliberate push to decrease their scholarship numbers in California should see how they look in a dress or with their breasts bound.

Marcus on April 5, 2012 at 9:16 AM

But, reports John Leo in the invaluable Minding the Campus blog, its San Diego campus found the money to create a new post of “vice chancellor for equity, diversity and inclusion.”

I would think the libs would be happy about this

NoFanofLibs on April 5, 2012 at 9:20 AM

The farce that “higher education” has become will be ending soon enough…

PatriotRider on April 5, 2012 at 9:20 AM

So no one here has caught on that student loans and grants are used to prop up the liberal left’s academia friends? Its a farce perpetrated on the students and the taxpayer.

aniptofar on April 5, 2012 at 9:14 AM

They conficate our money and use it to indoctrinate our kids.

newportmike on April 5, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Bingo!
Bango!
Ditto!

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2012 at 9:22 AM

And don’t forget…..

We now have educators making up 12% of our millionaires in this nation. Let’s hope students wake up and see that while the education complex is getting the goldmine, they’re leaving their students with the shaft.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/educators-now-make-up-12-of-us-millionaires/

pjean on April 5, 2012 at 9:22 AM

I’m sure that Chinese Universities are “investing” in education the same way we are…

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PatriotRider on April 5, 2012 at 9:23 AM

a new post of
“vice chancellor for equity, diversity and inclusion of Socialism.”

ITguy on April 5, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Everyone participates in the free market of education. The only votes which count here are the ones cast with the feet and wallets of parents and students.

Yes, the rapidly increasing price of tuition is a very mysterious phenomenon. The way prices are rising, you’d almost think there was some outside force artificially jacking up the price.

This is clearly a failure of the free market. Must be the work of those evil capitalists and their damned invisible hand.

RINO in Name Only on April 5, 2012 at 9:25 AM

I’m sure that Chinese Universities are “investing” in education the same way we are…

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PatriotRider on April 5, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Actually, you know who is investing in eductation in China?

We are.

Some of your tax dollars are going to universities who are actively building a campus in China.

ITguy on April 5, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Dang, I hate my typos!

ITguy on April 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Pretty much sums up anything completely run by liberals.

Wasted money and nothing to show for it….except they feel better about themselves.

HumpBot Salvation on April 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM

They conficate our money and use it to indoctrinate our kids.

newportmike on April 5, 2012 at 9:16 AM

This was mentioned by Breitbart in his last CPAC speech as a “parenthesis”, something that needs our attention in the near future after we get Bozo out of office.

parteagirl on April 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM

I literally just finished reading about the College Cartel

Great read.

LtGenRob on April 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM

The #1 reason for the cost of tuition and fee increases has been the decline in public/governmental support of colleges. The nearby public college here used to have 70% of its budget provided by state tax funds. That has fallen to 20% of its budget (which has not gone up all that much in the last decade). They had to make up for the drop in tax dollars by raising tuition. In effect, it shifted the costs of college off society as a whole, and on to students directly.

Administrative proliferation and administrator salaries are definitely also out of control, but professors really do not make all that much.

AngusMc on April 5, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Everyone participates in the free market of education.

The free market of education? Please tell me you’re joking. Education ceased to be anything resembling a free market long, long ago. Between the Department of Education regulating schools to death on one end to the federal student loan monstrosity which has caused education costs to rise to the point that no one can afford to go to school without the government, education has been a government-controlled market for quite some time. And that’s why the quality of education is in the toilet. A return to a true education free market is the solution, but it’s definitely not where we are today.

Shump on April 5, 2012 at 9:28 AM

The farce that “higher education” has become will be ending soon enough…

PatriotRider on April 5, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Are you referring to the Higher Ed bubble that’s about to pop?

parteagirl on April 5, 2012 at 9:30 AM

For example:

Even though this is a private university, what do you want to bet that some public funding is finding it’s way into this project?

Duke in China

ITguy on April 5, 2012 at 9:31 AM

This is how you get “educated” people — some of them even former “Constitutional law professors” — who are shocked — shocked! — to learn that forcing every citizen in the nation to purchase health insurance is unconstitutional. This is also why conservatives know what liberals are going to say 5 days before the liberals even think it, but liberals have no idea how conservatives craft arguments and always get blind-sided by their cogent, logical, intellectual, and Constitutional analysis. If they could, liberals would cry “No fair! You’re bein’ all smart and stuff!”

Rational Thought on April 5, 2012 at 9:31 AM

It’s the administrative branch of the the industry of education which bends to the winds of populism rather than offering the best path toward success for their students.

The best path toward success of young people would be the abandonment of the idea that everybody has to go to college to be successful. In other words we need to be investing in developing career training for young people not in “education.”

Happy Nomad on April 5, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Sod, but our schools seem to become as more about aggitation, than education.

Deafdog on April 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Every degree is worthless unless it is related to engineering, math or science.

liberal4life on April 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Every degree is worthless unless it is related to engineering, math or science.

liberal4life on April 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM

+1

hawkdriver on April 5, 2012 at 9:33 AM

And let’s admit that education is important if we’re going to train up a new generation of scientists, engineers, business leaders and the people who will make the economy go.

Sorry, JZ, train up? Wouldn’t train be sufficient? Can’t we leave the fadspeak to liberals?

BuckeyeSam on April 5, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Sod, but our schools seem to become as more about aggitation, than education.

Deafdog on April 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Irony.

KeninCT on April 5, 2012 at 9:36 AM

There is more than sufficient funding going to support STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math) education. But something that has changed in the last 30 years is that the STEM efforts get “taxed”. Oh, it should be no surprise that the productive portions of the university are taxed to support the generally unproductive portions (diversity coordinators).

There used to be great tech only colleges in the US. I think we need those back (I’m not referring to CalTech or MIT, but to the old ag colleges, that focused on hard farming sciences, and then later evolved into traditional universities)….

And to my friends who studied English or History – and yes, I loved my History classes (I minored in history) – they are not expensive programs to run. Unless you have a bunch of professors who are busy counting the number of angels that dance on the head of the pin – not that anyone on the left believes in angels….

deadite on April 5, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Education as indoctrination has worked just fine -helping to do what the educator left has sold its once proud family-oriented profession for-Marxism, “take down America” style–no matter how they label the danged thing.

Don L on April 5, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Unless you have a bunch of professors who are busy counting the number of angels that dance on the head of the pin

Hmmm, do I smell taint of Hades in that comment?

Don L on April 5, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Every degree is worthless unless it is related to engineering, math or science.

liberal4life on April 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM

The most valued degrees are finance degrees, although I would assume you think that is related to math.

And I know plenty of political science, history, literature, inernational relations, pre-law, etc… majors who are doing quite nicely for themselves.

The problem with math, science and engineering is that it is hard. College is much more fun when you get an easy major and drink for 4 years. Some people can do that while taking hard classes, but most people cant.

milcus on April 5, 2012 at 9:40 AM

If the greedy fatcat administrators and tenured professors keep this up they are liable to end up under siege by the students they are radicalizing (and ripping off).

Chickens coming home to roost!

forest on April 5, 2012 at 9:42 AM

This is the result of a couple decades of liberals telling us that “every American kid can/should/will/needs to go to college.”

Well, here’s a news flash.

Not every American kid a) needs to go to college, b) is qualified to go to college, c) has the desire to go to college, d) will get anything out of “going to college” except for a huge amount of personal debt (or that of his/her parents) and a degree that is worthless.

In the course of dumbing down the worth of a college degree, we’ve increased the growth of “nothing” degrees…”Transgenderism Studies”…and have gotten well away from degrees and course work that can be an effective economic tool in the coming decades…to say nothing of encouraging students to learn, actually learn from a panoply of studies…history, literature, economics, the sciences, and so forth.

Instead our kids are offered “self-awareness” programs, esteem building programs, diversity ad nauseum

Other countries are actually tightening up the requirements to enter college…with good results.

Perhaps the Community Colleges and Trade Schools have the right idea…a degree or certification in a skill…a real skill…a skill that can be put to use immediately…at a price most can afford.

Universities across America have become nothing more than money-mills to allow professors enormous salaries, and the kids a degree that is worthless. Self-engrandizing elitism…nothing less.

The influx of federal funding to schools can be directly linked to this growth of money mills for the liberal elites.

Even a degree from Harvard is pretty worthless these days…as seen by the performance of many Harvard graduates in recent years.

coldwarrior on April 5, 2012 at 9:43 AM

As college costs skyrocket, more students must apply for financial aid.

And if you investigate the financial aid practices of many colleges and universities, you will find socialist practices involved.

For example, two students apply for aid. One is an only child that whose parent(s) have a household income of $35,000. The other is one of 8 children whose parent(s) have a household income of $100,000. The first student will be given a larger grant, while the second student will be given a larger loan.

When those students graduate, if they accept similar jobs, they will have simliar incomes. But the first will have significantly smaller expenses because they have significantly smaller loans to repay. The second student is being penalized by the socialists who want to “spread the wealth around” by making college more affordable for those who come from lower income families, and more expensive for those who come from higher income families.

The more your parents make, the bigger the loan burden that will placed upon your shoulders when you graduate.

What ever happened to the goal of “equal opportunity”?

Today, if you are white and come from a middle class or above family, you will be penalized in two ways:
1) To get accepted to competitive schools, it will be more difficult for you than for a minority.
2) It will cost you more to go to college and will cost you more in loan payments when you graduate.

That is the truth. The socialists dominate the administrations and faculty of America’s colleges and Universities.

ITguy on April 5, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Irony.

KeninCT on April 5, 2012 at 9:36 AM

shut the hell up Kenin…go find a d!ck to suck

DHChron on April 5, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Every degree is worthless unless it is related to engineering, math or science.

liberal4life on April 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM

except Finance. To be in the finance you do not need the same type of “math” that engineers or scientists have to do.

upinak on April 5, 2012 at 9:44 AM

I have a culinary degree. It’s not useless, it’s tasty.

DHChron on April 5, 2012 at 9:45 AM

I’m sure that Chinese Universities are “investing” in education the same way we are…

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PatriotRider on April 5, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Probably not saddled with these sillyass diversity coordinators.

NoDonkey on April 5, 2012 at 9:46 AM

I get it. Tuition is being raised to provide make-work jobs at universities for recent college graduates. A sophisticated welfare system for our “intellectual class”, in other words.

Scriptor on April 5, 2012 at 9:46 AM

The problem with math, science and engineering is that it is hard. College is much more fun when you get an easy major and drink for 4 years. Some people can do that while taking hard classes, but most people cant.

milcus on April 5, 2012 at 9:40 AM

I have a degree in Computer engineering. All college debt were paid off in 4 years.

90% of the people in my math and science classes were foreigners.
Asians accounted for about 60% of those.

The problem today is most people think college should be “fun” which automatically rules out math and science.

liberal4life on April 5, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Sod, but our schools seem to become as more about aggitation, than education.

Deafdog on April 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM
Irony.

KeninCT on April 5, 2012 at 9:36 AM

hawkdriver on April 5, 2012 at 8:33 AM
Did it bother you to run into the same bunch of libruls when you signed up with the gubmint?

KeninCT on April 5, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Irony festival.

hawkdriver on April 5, 2012 at 9:48 AM

shut the hell up lib4life…you’re just about the dumbest person posting here. I don’t think those math and science classes did you any good.

DHChron on April 5, 2012 at 9:50 AM

I have a degree in Computer engineering. All college debt were paid off in 4 years.

90% of the people in my math and science classes were foreigners.
Asians accounted for about 60% of those.

The problem today is most people think college should be “fun” which automatically rules out math and science.

liberal4life on April 5, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Are you sure you’re a liberal?

Shump on April 5, 2012 at 9:51 AM

hehehe

Chron is grumpy today

DHChron on April 5, 2012 at 9:52 AM

From 2009:

The VCU Board approved Rao’s salary of $488,500, $176,113 of which is paid by state funds and $312,387 from VCU Health System and private funds, for the positions of VCU president and president of the VCU Health System. His total compensation package, approved by the board, also includes $66,500 in deferred compensation, a $60,000 housing allowance, and use of a car, all paid by private funds. Separate from the compensation package, Rao will receive a signing bonus of $275,000, paid by private funds. He will be required to repay $200,000 if he leaves the university within five years.

.
Some large public school districts are just as lucrative for the superintendent. VCU is a large, research university with a medical school as part of its colleges but still… Hey kids! Get an “edumacation” degree and concentrate in administration!

ExpressoBold on April 5, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Are you sure you’re a liberal?

Shump on April 5, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Yup.

liberal4life on April 5, 2012 at 9:54 AM

If they could, liberals would cry “No fair! You’re bein’ all smart and stuff!”

Rational Thought on April 5, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Why not just create an individual mandate for education where everybody has to pay for college? Wouldn’t that create a much more intelligent society?

Happy Nomad on April 5, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Well, I respectfully disagree. This IS a government problem. Those parents choose to spend their money at this or that university. But my TAX DOLLARS are also pouring into these institutions, whether in direct funding or federal student loans.

It’s a perfect illustration of WHY government is a problem. You throw tons of money at a bunch of unaccountable, unfire-able, bureaucrats who’ve been told all their careers how special they are (the sacrifice of public service). Without fail they will soon become “entitled” to more and more of your money. And they will spend it as THEY want, not you. They will enrich themselves…because they’re so special. And they’ll fund THEIR ideals, because they’re so much better than you—who grubs away for money in some private sector company that profits off the misery of others.

And when we can’t afford any more, they repay us with insults and threats. That’s why it’s best never to let them get too big. But it’s too late for that, huh?

jeanneb on April 5, 2012 at 9:57 AM

4 year colleges are useless. You have to go to graduate school now or you’re just another fool like everyone else.

DHChron on April 5, 2012 at 9:58 AM

I have a degree in Computer engineering. All college debt were paid off in 4 years.

90% of the people in my math and science classes were foreigners.
Asians accounted for about 60% of those.

The problem today is most people think college should be “fun” which automatically rules out math and science.

liberal4life on April 5, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Trust me, I know. I was a pre-med and finance major, and all my math and science classes were mostly Asian kids and foreigners (in other words, also Asian kids).

I also know a lot of people who started out as science or engineering majors, and who switched to other things once they discovered the joys of fraternities and alcohol/college girls. That’s why I said, very few people can have fun and still take the hard classes.

Nevertheless, I do disagree, a bit, that college should be fun. If you go to a relatively good school, many of the kids come from families with money, and they realize it is the last chance to have fun, without responsibility, before having to work for 40 years, non-stop. So, there is nothing wrong with having a bit of fun. But at the same time, people need to think of their futures, and many simply dont.

milcus on April 5, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Yup.

liberal4life on April 5, 2012 at 9:54 AM

didn’t I tell you to shut the hell up?

by the by, liberals are stupid. Also, liberals are dumb.

DHChron on April 5, 2012 at 9:59 AM

I have a degree in Computer engineering. All college debt were paid off in 4 years.

90% of the people in my math and science classes were foreigners.
Asians accounted for about 60% of those.

The problem today is most people think college should be “fun” which automatically rules out math and science.

liberal4life on April 5, 2012 at 9:47 AM

A clock is right twice a day.

But you didn’t mention a couple issues concerning the foreigners. They don’t go to college in their country unless they have the funds. Period. Example: To have a degree, Indians must pay all tuition up front, no exceptions. Unless they come to American and get loans like the rest of us. And most companies don’t mind hiring foreigners, because they don’t whine and complain like Americans.

That is also a fact most don’t like to talk about.

upinak on April 5, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Unfortunately, the two major goals of college professors/administrators is 1) social indoctrination and 2) preservation, perpetuation and defense of socialist ideals. All of facets of campus life are subordinate to and must be conformed to these goals.

tommyboy on April 5, 2012 at 10:01 AM

that would be a broken clock upinak ;)

DHChron on April 5, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Every degree is worthless unless it is related to engineering, math or science.

liberal4life on April 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Never thought I’d say this to you, but… you’re right.

The vast majority of degrees aren’t particularly valuable for students or for the taxpayers who subsidize college education through loans. The best you can do is find a research university with a relatively strong emphasis on STEM (sci / tech / engineering / math) fields.

Mr. Prodigy on April 5, 2012 at 10:02 AM

vice chancellor for equity, diversity and inclusion

You have to have some kind of outlet for all those Womyn’s Studies and African American Studies degrees.

Get with the times, people!

MNHawk on April 5, 2012 at 10:03 AM

http://www.westernjournalism.com/educators-now-make-up-12-of-us-millionaires/

pjean on April 5, 2012 at 9:22 AM

If by “educators,” you mean school administrators and bureaucrats. There are a few effed-up school systems (like NY and DC and LA) where you’ll see teachers with six-figure incomes, but those are the exceptions – and that’s still not enough to make a “millionaire.”

And, you’ll find that almost none of the millionaire-educators are union members…. Which just means that reining in unions won’t solve the problem by itself.

notropis on April 5, 2012 at 10:04 AM

liberal4life on April 5, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Has your computer been hijacked by Russian spammers?

MNHawk on April 5, 2012 at 10:05 AM

All I remember about college was I got laid every night. College is sorta like paying for sex.

DHChron on April 5, 2012 at 10:05 AM

And most companies don’t mind hiring foreigners, because they don’t whine and complain like Americans.

That is a whole different issue that no one talks about. With insane unemployment in this country, companies keep bringing foreigners into America through work visas instead of going to college campuses, hiring American kids, and training them. It is really a massive problem that companies dont mind doing this, and no one talks about.

In fact, the one thing I hate about Romney, is that on many occasions he has said that we should increase work visas, which makes no sense with so many people unemployed. The unemployment rate for new college grads is pretty high. And instead of pushing these compnaies to hire and train kids from American colleges,through tax incentives, etc., he wants to allow companies to bring even more people to take the jobs from overseas? It makes no sense.

milcus on April 5, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Unfortunately, the two major goals of college professors/administrators is 1) social indoctrination and 2) preservation, perpetuation and defense of socialist ideals. All of facets of campus life are subordinate to and must be conformed to these goals.

tommyboy on April 5, 2012 at 10:01 AM

most of my prof are conservative and most of the admins are as well. I think it depends on the school and where.

upinak on April 5, 2012 at 10:06 AM

And most companies don’t mind hiring foreigners, because they don’t whine and complain like Americans.

The ones I worked with, they may have been whining for all I knew.

Who can tell with the pidgin english they speak?

NoDonkey on April 5, 2012 at 10:07 AM

How come Kenin is such a wuss these days? He’s a hit and run specialist…also he’s a d!ck sucking specialist.

DHChron on April 5, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Every degree is worthless unless it is related to engineering, math or science.

liberal4life on April 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Tell that to the attorney-American community.

Worthless to the rest of society? True.

Worthless as in non-lucrative? Not true.

NoDonkey on April 5, 2012 at 10:09 AM

parteagirl on April 5, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Yep…it’s going to pop in more ways than one..

PatriotRider on April 5, 2012 at 10:10 AM

milcus on April 5, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Companies can do what they want, it is what makes America the greatest company on earth. But it irks me at times when all they do is hire foreigners.

upinak on April 5, 2012 at 10:10 AM

wow company = country. Excuse me, I am in need of more coffee obviously.

upinak on April 5, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Well, I respectfully disagree. This IS a government problem. Those parents choose to spend their money at this or that university. But my TAX DOLLARS are also pouring into these institutions, whether in direct funding or federal student loans.

To be more precise, it is a failure of state governments to provide funding and a wrongheaded intervention by the feds.

Until the 1990s, thinking about universities was that state governments would provide most of their budgets from tax revenue in order to keep the costs artificially low for the consumer (student).

In the 1990s and 2000s, states began reducing the % of money they provided to public universities (the nearby college here used to have more than 70% of its budget from state government direct dollars, it is now down to about 20%).

The Feds then jumped in and gave more funding to students instead of the colleges, so the only way colleges could get that money and counteract their state money cuts was to charge those students more.

The best solution would be to cut out the aid to students, instead provide money directly to colleges in the form of a subsidy, which in turn would exert strong downward pressure on tuition prices.

AngusMc on April 5, 2012 at 10:12 AM

All that money is to ensure that students are properly indoctrinated into Marxism.

SWalker on April 5, 2012 at 10:13 AM

If by “educators,” you mean school administrators and bureaucrats. There are a few effed-up school systems (like NY and DC and LA) where you’ll see teachers with six-figure incomes, but those are the exceptions – and that’s still not enough to make a “millionaire.”

This. Many colleges have their salaries as public information if they receive public funds. My local university, most professors make pretty modest incomes. Starting around $45k/yr for entry level, up to $65k/yr for more senior people who have been around for a couple decades. STEM professors make a bit more, but not much. Administrators, however, routinely make $120-140k.

AngusMc on April 5, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Everyone participates in the free market of education. The only votes which count here are the ones cast with the feet and wallets of parents and students.
Yes, the rapidly increasing price of tuition is a very mysterious phenomenon. The way prices are rising, you’d almost think there was some outside force artificially jacking up the price.

This is clearly a failure of the free market. Must be the work of those evil capitalists and their damned invisible hand.

RINO in Name Only on April 5, 2012 at 9:25 AM

The problem with paying for “education” with student loans is eventually you run out of other people’s money. Just the fact that you were willing to pay $200,000 for a BA in some liberal arts field shows poor judgment and suggests you will make a poor employee. Make people pay out of pocket-tuition will drop like a stone. People will no longer shell out thousands of dollars to take classes about Occupy Wall Street at Columbia University. Community colleges, state colleges and technical colleges are a much better value.

If you want to have fun-do it with your own money-not someone else’s. If you want to borrow money to have a good time-don’t whine about having to pay it back. I don’t want to pay for your Starbucks.

talkingpoints on April 5, 2012 at 10:18 AM

KENIN!! why are you such a wuss!

d!cks are tasty…too bad you can’t find a date cause you’re ugly

DHChron on April 5, 2012 at 10:23 AM

KENIN!! too bad you’re stupid as all heck too. You read varied books, but I’m thinking it’s varied magazines like Playgirl.

DHChron on April 5, 2012 at 10:26 AM

The simplest solution would be to focus on the engineering, business, and sciences for government programs and scholarships, tution help, etc. If you want to pursue a liberal arts degree then go for it, but expect to pay for college yourself.

When I see scholarships, especially tax-payer funded scholarships, get handed out to “diversity” students in order to pursue women/diversity studies, art, communications, interdisciplinary studies, etc, it makes me sick. Think about the others out there who want to actually be a benefit to society but can’t afford too.

I’m not promoting free college, quite the opposite actually, I just think any scholarships should be reserved for those who are getting a degree in something that matters, everything else is basically a hobby and you can learn those subjects on your own time and dime.

Blacksoda on April 5, 2012 at 10:28 AM

DHC
so you hooked for four years to get your self through college?
The real problem is ppl who take courses that will never be used in real life, then wonder why they can’t find a job.

angrymike on April 5, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Remember what Ike Eisenhower warned, “Beware of the Democrat Organized Corruption Complex”, or something to that effect.

LA Conservative on April 5, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Look on the bright side. When the college financial aid collapse comes — and it will — all of these people whose resumes are lined with these kinds of sh!t jobs will not only be unemployed — they’ll be unemployable, which is largely what they are outside of higher education. I’ve worked in universities and when the financial sh!t really hits the fan, they can’t cut these kinds of “jobs” fast enough.

Rational Thought on April 5, 2012 at 10:32 AM

My own university did this a few years ago – hired a high-priced EVP for Diversity, while freezing faculty and staff salaries. I knew a couple of very great professors in the medical college who left during this time because of the whole focus on diversity (as well as research dollars and profits from the huge hospital they built) at the expense of good instruction of students. When the president retired last year, I was sure we would end up with some underqualified “diversity” candidate being hired. Fortunately that didn’t happen, but there was a lot of grumbling when it didn’t.

rockmom on April 5, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Pretty much sums up anything completely run by liberals.
Wasted money and nothing to show for it….except they feel better about themselves.
HumpBot Salvation on April 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM

And the ones running it into the ground get rich. There is always a form of ‘politburo’ involved.

Slightly OT, but related…Has anyone read C. S. Lewis’ space trilogy? I’m halfway through the last book, That Hideous Strength, and it’s telling that Lewis, as an academic himself, has made the ‘bad guys’ a bunch of college professors (sociologists…) and ‘researchers’ working together ‘to make everything better’, though the real leaders are in it for the power. The man was a genius. Or maybe just observant, being surrounded by the types as he probably was. At first I thought it was prophetic, but then I figured it was a recent historical fiction following the war. Now, I think it’s a little of both. And the use of the media…frighteningly relevant. Now I want to go finish reading!

pannw on April 5, 2012 at 11:01 AM

How come Kenin is such a wuss these days? He’s a hit and run specialist…also he’s a d!ck sucking specialist.

DHChron on April 5, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Tough day, race fan?

KeninCT on April 5, 2012 at 11:01 AM

L4L is a computer engineer – that’s rich. Thankfully I’m a civil/transportation engineer and am close enough to the real estate and political field to develop some social skills. Computer engineers are definitely on the other end of that spectrum.

He/she may be like some of my peers I’ve met – thinking that being good at solving math problems means you’re smart, and therefore you couldn’t possibly be deceived by liberal talking points that don’t stand up to real scrutiny which they never really have to hear. But unfortunately understanding math/science and understanding and relating to human nature are two very, very different things.

As for the article, what’s the issue? Everyone knows those colleges will turn into concentration camps run by the white male students without those diversity peoples. With Rice investing in legitimate research instead, it’s only a matter of time until that’s its fate. Rice is in Texas, after all.

Transpo on April 5, 2012 at 11:08 AM

The whole last paragraph of this post is absurd. UC is not part of a free market. It is very much like Solindra has been, i.e. highly subsidized. If the CA legislature were doing its job, it would reduce the subsides to the SD campus by all the costs accrued, current and future of the diversity group.

burt on April 5, 2012 at 11:11 AM

I worked in higher ed. The students have little say because they come and they go, hopefully within four years (more like six years for the 50% who manage to graduate at all).

Bureaucrats and administrators are forever.

PattyJ on April 5, 2012 at 11:20 AM

This most important curriculum in the very near future:
(non-accredited)

Hunting and tracking wild game 101

Bartering vegetables and trade goods

Marksmanship

Fortified defensive positions

Camouflage, cover and concealment.

Improvised weapons and homemade mines and booby traps

esnap on April 5, 2012 at 11:22 AM

This most important curriculum in the very near future:
(non-accredited)

Hunting and tracking wild game 101

Bartering vegetables and trade goods

Marksmanship

Fortified defensive positions

Camouflage, cover and concealment.

Improvised weapons and homemade mines and booby traps

esnap on April 5, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Yeah, whatever.

How’s the plunging market for gold affecting you?

NoDonkey on April 5, 2012 at 11:50 AM

That right? Is it computer science? One thing engineers don’t do well is protect the use of the word. Shows how smart this engineer is.

Transpo on April 5, 2012 at 11:55 AM

NoDonkey on April 5, 2012 at 11:50 AM

better than the dollar, as is my food production.

esnap on April 5, 2012 at 12:31 PM

It’s the administrative branch of the the industry of education which bends to the winds of populism rather than offering the best path toward success for their students.

That isn’t what it is. It is an education system taken over by Marxists who are much more interested in obliterating American exceptionalism then they are in actually doing anything worthwhile. While these people certainly are imbeciles their motives still are evil.

The long, slow march through our institutions and all that. Education of course being the most susceptible institution because it is mostly supported by government dollars that rarely demand results.

Wake up and smell the Communist origins inherent in all this nonsense.

NotCoach on April 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Tough day, race fan?

KeninCT on April 5, 2012 at 11:01 AM

I’m not a fan of cars driving in circles :)

I find your commentary stupid as hell, and making fun of Nascar is pretty effin’ dumb. Go eff yourself…God knows no one else is gonna do it.

DHChron on April 5, 2012 at 12:48 PM

angrymike on April 5, 2012 at 10:29 AM

actually I attended four different colleges and didn’t make it through any of them except for culinary school. I make a wicked good duck which actually looks like a red meat. Super tasty.

DHChron on April 5, 2012 at 12:52 PM

every month I make a payment on my student loan, and regret my decision to finance part of my education. it was the biggest ripoff i’ve ever been suckered into.

burserker on April 5, 2012 at 1:04 PM

This actually is traced back to the government, don’t they run the student loan business now? No loan should be given to students who are majoring in fields (like diversity studies or gender studies) that will more than likely leave the student unemployed after graduation. The government should get out of the loan business, but if they must be involved there should be strict conditions.

These easy loans are why schools waste their money on worthless departments and positions because they are never held accountable the way a proper business is when the service they provide sucks.

Daemonocracy on April 5, 2012 at 1:39 PM

No, no, no. We had this discussion with her. She’s not an engineer at all. She learned hot to connect computers together – not build them. She doesn’t have the word “engineer” on her university degree at all – however she might have some certificate from Cisco that uses the word engineer.

blink on April 5, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Sounds like she is a Network Engineer on some level, but you actually don’t need to go to school to get the Cisco Certified Network Associate (CCNA) license. It can be done through self study and often is. School is helpful to find internships, but so is showing up yourself at a business or contacting Network Engineers and asking for the opportunity to work and learn for free.

Daemonocracy on April 5, 2012 at 1:45 PM

^ meant to call it a certification, not a license.

Daemonocracy on April 5, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Every degree is worthless unless it is related to engineering, math or science.

liberal4life on April 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM

The best “degree” you can get is not a degree at all, it is learning the highly marketable skill of welding at a trade school and working your way up to welding sheet metal where the work is plentiful and highly lucrative.

Daemonocracy on April 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM

liberal4life on April 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Who is posting in place of l4l. They are essentially the only degrees that are worthwhile in this day and age. But they are being compromised by the infiltration of Post Normal Science and the Precautionary Principle.

chemman on April 5, 2012 at 2:27 PM

@blink:

A-ha. My brother-in-law has that degree, and he’s doing pretty well. It’s not a degree to be ashamed of. But, at both my alma mater and his, it’s given by the College of BUSINESS. It’s not math, science, or engineering.

Transpo on April 5, 2012 at 5:18 PM

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