Why shouldn’t Mexico compensate us for illegal aliens?

posted at 6:25 pm on April 5, 2012 by John Hawkins

One of the dirty little secrets on our southern border is that Mexico actually encourages its citizens to come here illegally. Not only does Mexico refuse to work with us to secure its side of the border, it’s actually put out comic books explaining to its citizens how to cross into our country illegally. To a barely functional, exploitive nation like Mexico, this is a win/win situation. The illegals who come to the United States send billions back home every year, plus Mexico uses them and their families in the States as a political wedge to try to manipulate our political process in its favor.

That may be all well and good for Mexico, but it’s an expensive proposition for the American taxpayers. So, why not ask Mexico to pay the bills for its own citizens?

A state legislator is taking the unusual step of corresponding directly with the leader of a foreign nation.

Republican Texas State Rep. Lyle Larson is calling on Mexican President Felipe Calderon to reimburse Texas for services used by illegal aliens.

In a letter he revealed Tuesday and sent in late March, the San Antonio legislator requests that Mexico pay Texas back for the annual $6 billion to $8 billion he said that Texas spends on health care, education and other public services for the estimated 1.6 million illegal immigrants in the state.

According to the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, Larson does not expect a response from Mexico. However, that did not stop him from offering Mexico suggestions for how to pay off the tab.

“If Mexico is unable to provide monetary compensation, we should be open to discussing other forms of payment,” Larson said, according to News 4 WOAI. “Mexico could provide payment for these services by allowing U.S. companies to develop mineral rich areas of northern Mexico and collect these resources as an in-kind payment.”

The real question isn’t why would Larson send that request to Felipe Calderon; it’s why haven’t we done this already?

Mexico is our third biggest trading partner behind Canada and China and we’ve given it billions of dollars in aid. What’s unreasonable about asking Mexico to either make a good faith effort to stop illegal immigration into our country or pay the tab for its citizens that are coming here illegally with its blessing?

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I figure that 10% of Mexico’s population lives in “El Norte”… mostly in California… Sad…

Khun Joe on April 5, 2012 at 6:27 PM

$200,000 per year per illegal. And they don’t get to vote.

Rixon on April 5, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Mexicans are crowding out Americans from land in America, above all California. Mexico should give up more land for Americans to settle to make up for this.

David Blue on April 5, 2012 at 6:32 PM

It would be nice if Mexico could try and build up their economy to where there citizens would not feel a need to come here. I have been around a few illegals and not many want to be here. Otherwise, yes, Mexico should be doing a better job at the border. Compensation to us, no, I would rather they use the money to build a better economy for their own country.

Bmore on April 5, 2012 at 6:34 PM

I’d prefer that we just annex Mexico – we have their people, we might as well have the real estate – besides they’ve got oil and aren’t afraid to drill for it.

Wander on April 5, 2012 at 6:34 PM

And if they don’t pay, take it from the aid they receive from us (assuming that doesn’t just make the amount of aid go up to compensate).

Ukiah on April 5, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Haven’t they given us enough already?!?

The Nerve on April 5, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Does Mexico, like Canada give us a discount on their oil?

We should work harder to improve our handling of immigrants and set up VIP line for immigrants. PAY US $5,000 like they do to a coyote, and they can come right up to the window and get their green card if they proper ID. Why pay that amount to have someone walk you across a desert and possibly die? Come to the front with the cash…

originalpechanga on April 5, 2012 at 6:41 PM

They’re leaving.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/07/28/118528/undocumented-immigrants-leaving.html

The economy is better in Mexico than it is here. The meme that Mexico is encouraging illegals to come to the US is circa 2000 or so.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/2011/07/immigrants-leaving-san-francisco-cheaper-pastures

61,000 had left Santa Clara county. Illegal immigration from Mexico is actually a declining issue. Most illegal immigration in the US is now coming from people arriving on legitimate visas and not going home. The majority are from Asia.

crosspatch on April 5, 2012 at 6:42 PM

I’ve thought this was a great idea for a while. Send a couple of hospital bills to mexico and if they don’t respond, sue them in the world court. They could pay us in oil.

aniptofar on April 5, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Why shouldn’t the U.S. compensate Mexico for the drug cartel’s war and massacres taking place in Mexico on a daily basis? If the U.S. didn’t vociferously ingest such colossal amounts of illicit narcotics — there might not be drug cartels with armies, no cartel wars, and no massacres on a daily basis. We even financially compensate relatives of the Afghani’s and Iraqi’s caught in the cross-fire and killed. Mexicans caught in the cross-fire of the drug wars are just S.O.L. though, aren’t they.

He||… we even provided the cartel’s with thousands of assault weapons to assist them in waging their cartel wars and their massacres. But not one person among dozens, except the whistleblowers, are being held accountable for that, either.

How about we actually seal off the border from end to end and just be content to tell Mexico to fark off.

FlatFoot on April 5, 2012 at 6:43 PM

If America belongs to everyone in the world and it’s OK to crowd in and take the future away from Americans, which is happening in California, then Mexico too has to take unlimited immigration and let its own people be crowded out and deprived of their land, their culture and their future. Fair is fair.

But in Mexicans has the right to keep their country for themselves, Americans also have the right to keep America for Americans.

And that right should be enforced in practice, not just in theory.

David Blue on April 5, 2012 at 6:44 PM

wow the ghettofication of our conservative movement is really happening right here on HA. Great job Hawkins, you join the thousands of other mickey mouse populists who use illegals to show how outraged they are. Hypocrites

conservador on April 5, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Nice post. This is my first trip to VDARE, and I’ll be back.

Mr. Arkadin on April 5, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Well how many minutes will it be before holder/team goes after Larson for being nasty to all the illegals we have to deal with here in TX? Not only TX, but they are EVERYWHERE now! Every state is having to pay for them being here at an enormous drain on their state.

I bet calderon will do as bho does when he gets a letter from a red state, TRASH?
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letget on April 5, 2012 at 6:45 PM

In addition to reimbursing the costs borne by each state for supporting ILLEGALS, the federal government (under a pro-America, responsible president) must also demand reimbursement for the billions that ILLEGALS take from an incompetent IRS and negligent CONgress…

02 SEP 11: Illegal immigrants not authorized to work in the United States received $4.2 billion in tax credits from the IRS last year, almost quadruple the amount five years ago, a government audit found.

The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) found an increasing number of illegals are claiming a refundable tax credit meant for working families when they file their taxes. Those who claim the credit either reduce what they owe or receive refunds.

According to TIGTA, which independently oversees the IRS, this essentially provides a huge incentive for illegals to come, live and work in the U.S.

Furthermore, since the corrupt, criminal drug-profiting government of mexico ENCOURAGES ILLEGAL immigration into the US (so the ILLEGALS will send back billions of dollars to help prop-up the mexican economy), the US Government should also bill mexico for all costs associated with securing our southern border.

TeaPartyNation on April 5, 2012 at 6:46 PM

$200,000 per year per illegal. And they don’t get to vote.

Rixon on April 5, 2012 at 6:30 PM

I would tend to disagree with you on the “they don’t vote” thingy… Dead people vote in Illinois… we have “Motor Voter” laws in California… all you have to do is check the block to say you’re legal…

In for a dime, in for a dollar… not sure what the “peso” equivalent is…

What Mexico needs to do is shed a little blood and get their CORRUPT government reformed… up to them… The USA just enables it by not immediately deporting every illegal alien we come in contact with… That and a 50% surtax on wire transfers from the USA to Mexico, recoverable every April when an IRS 1040 form is filed and the SSN is run through the computer…

Khun Joe on April 5, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Not only Mexico, but Nicaragua, El Salvador, Costa Rica and the rest of Central America. They have illegal aliens here, too and some of their ‘citizens’ make life difficult for Americans here.

mike0993 on April 5, 2012 at 6:51 PM

To ensure that mexico reimburses American taxpayers for all costs associated with mexican ILLEGALS, the US must tell them that ALL MONEY TRANSFERS FROM THE US TO MEXICO WILL BE STOPPED, if they do not pay. Stopping the billions of taxpayer dollars that ILLEGALS send back to mexico would likely collapse their economy, so the threat is one that even the drug-profiting criminals that run that country would respect.

TeaPartyNation on April 5, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Arizona’s illegal population went down by an estimated 110,000 (about 25%) just between 2010 and 2011.

http://tucsoncitizen.com/arizona-news/2012/03/23/illegal-immigration-population-in-arizona-plunges-since-2008/

I have strong opinions about immigration but it is important to keep a clear picture of how things actually are today and not continue in an “urban legend” or “conventional wisdom” sort of way.

It is estimated that there are 11.5 million illegal immigrants in the US in 2011. About 10% of that is from Asia and 77% from North America (Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean and Central America) so North American illegals are about 8.9 million and the number from South of the border is in decline. The number from Asia is rapidly increasing. The number from India has doubled from 2000 to 2011.

More illegals arrive from China each year than arrive from Ecuador, for example.

crosspatch on April 5, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Honest answer, they shouldn’t pay because they aren’t the ones who set our policies that pay for these things. If the Texas government (or federal government) chooses to pay, then why should Mexico be obligated to pay? If we don’t like it (and I don’t), then the answer is to stop paying.

Snaqwels on April 5, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Plenty of illegal aliens voting in Florida: Illegal Alien Mass Voter Fraud Discovered in Florida

slickwillie2001 on April 5, 2012 at 6:59 PM

We should have the exact same immigration law as Mexico. E-X-A-C-T

jukin3 on April 5, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Plenty of illegal aliens voting in Florida: Illegal Alien Mass Voter Fraud Discovered in Florida

slickwillie2001 on April 5, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Doesn’t surprise me a bit. In fact it should be quite obvious from how the Democrats pander to them and want to avoid ID laws. To get a drivers license in most states you have to show you are here legally. They don’t want these people to have to prove that they are legal residents in order to votes.

crosspatch on April 5, 2012 at 7:03 PM

That might be a good Idea, no one wants opens borders not even Most Dems.

boogaleesnots on April 5, 2012 at 7:04 PM

This nation spends about $113 BILLION per year just on social service alone for illegal aliens. This figure does not include the impact on our judicial system, crimes committed in our communities by illegal aliens, or how much we spend on illegal aliens once they are a part of our penal system. Illegal aliens are estimated, by the Pew Center, to contribute about $13 Billion per year to our economy, total.

This is not to say that this nation is not welcoming to LEGAL immigrants.Every year this nation accepts over 1 MILLION LEGAL IMMIGRANTS from around the world. These legal immigrants submit to background checks and physical examinations, they learn our language, and familiarize themselves with our laws and our culture, as well as meeting other criteria including being able to prove that they can provide for themselves and will not be a burden to the nation. Of these Legal Immigrants, about 750,000 are legal immigrants who come through the regular system, and some 250,000 are asylum seekers.

Today, between 200,000 to 300,000 of these new legal immigrants are actually illegal aliens who have successfully laundered their illegal status for legal status every year according to FAIR ( Federation of Americans for Immigration Reform).

OF the illegal aliens currently at large in our country, Pew Center estimates that between 60%-70% are from Mexico, about 20% are from Central and South America, about 8% are from Asia and the Middle Eastern region, and the remaining 2% represents the entire rest of the world. It is estimated that there are currently about 65,000 illegal immigrants from Canada currently at large in the nation.

The Pew Center estimates that there are 8 million illegal aliens holding full time jobs in the United States today and millions more part time jobs. At a time when this nation has been having difficulty providing employment for it citizens and legal immigrants, with an estimated 24 MILLION citizens and legal immigrant either unemployed or chronically and acutely underemployed it is scandalous that so many jobs are held by those who are foreign citizens in our nation illegally.

Illegal aliens willfully shatter existing federal immigration law, thus demonstrating a complete disregard for the rule of law and a clear disdain for the rights of the citizens and legal immigrants of this nation AS WELL AS the 4. 5 million potential LEGAL IMMIGRANTS waiting in line around the world for the opportunity to come to this nation. A first offense in either entering the nation illegally, or overstaying an expired visa, is a misdemeanor. However, entering the nation illegally a second time, or encouraging or helping others to enter the nation illegally is a felony punishable with a fine and a prison sentence. Also, it should be noted that using fraudulently obtained identification or social security numbers,or other forms of documentation such as a drivers license or birth certificate, in order to operate a motor vehicle or obtain employment is also a felony.

I think that Representative Lyle Larson’s communication with Felipe Calderone is LONG OVERDUE, and I think that it should have come from the President, rather than a state’s Representative. For far too long the American taxpayers and community have been forced to bear an unnecessary burden and provide for Mexico. Its long past time that Mexico began to provide for its own.

thatsafactjack on April 5, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Cross patch …regarding your post about the increase in illegal immigrants from Asia we should not be surprised. Amnesty is coming.

CW on April 5, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Was this post intended for April Zfools Day, and mistakenlymposted today? It’s a joke.

MTF on April 5, 2012 at 7:27 PM

How many pesos?

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2012 at 7:27 PM

$200,000 per year per illegal. And they don’t get to vote.

Rixon on April 5, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Too much. $25,000 per year per illegal Mexican alien, and make funds transfer to private parties in Mexico illegal. Then Mexico will police the border themselves.

Jaibones on April 5, 2012 at 7:30 PM

They should at least pay for their citizens locked up in American jails:

“The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California’s prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces.”

Citing an Urban Institute study, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies Steven Camorata noted in 2004: “Roughly 17 percent of the prison population at the federal level are illegal aliens. That’s a huge number since illegal aliens only account for about 3 percent of the total population.”

And they should compensate the victims of their citizens while they’re at it.

Rebar on April 5, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Funny aside to this story. This week my company was contacted by a federal government agency that wanted to buy a product we offer. We had no clue how much trouble that was going to become. We were told that to be able to sell this product to the outfit wanting to buy it, we would need to go thru the hoops of becoming a registered vendor for the federal government. That required that we prove we are who we are and match our identification up with a Dunn and Bradstreet number and our EIN. All this was very precise and obviously designed to prohibit the government from doing business with people who are operating in the shade, under tax radar, or without established legal entities.

And yet millions of Mexicans are allowed to do pretty much whatever they want with no problem.

MikeA on April 5, 2012 at 7:40 PM

I have had a fix for this problem for years.

Take over Mexico, whether by force or the use of squatter’s rights, and call it South Texas.

It would be way easier to build a fence across the southern border of Mexico than the southern border of the US.

Ododeo Jones on April 5, 2012 at 7:43 PM

No blood for Mexican oil! Oh, wait a minute…

Rixon on April 5, 2012 at 8:07 PM

We should contract with Mexico to house much of our prison population. Would cost thousands of dollars less per capita and what it does cost could be deducted from illegal imigrants’ cost to the States. At least send the illegal immigrant and drug gang inmates.

shuzilla on April 5, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Compensation for the Campesinos!!!

Of course, payment will be made in 1994 pesos.

coldwarrior on April 5, 2012 at 8:23 PM

No longer a fan of Kinky Friedman, but still a fan of his Five Generals plan. We need to use the corruption to our advantage.

Odysseus on April 5, 2012 at 8:29 PM

We should contract with Mexico to house much of our prison population. Would cost thousands of dollars less per capita and what it does cost could be deducted from illegal imigrants’ cost to the States. At least send the illegal immigrant and drug gang inmates.

shuzilla on April 5, 2012 at 8:11 PM

They certainly wouldn’t have any language problems! Unfortunately Mexico is so corrupt that the prisoners would be buying their way to escapes.

China might be a better option for your plan.

slickwillie2001 on April 5, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Frustrating with Mexico.

We as Americans need to have Mexico improve its lot for its own people. I mean many Mexican men are moving north due to lack of work and if it isn’t honest work in Mexico it is work for narcos. Frustrating.

Remember when Bush in early 2001 had made his first foreign visit with Mexico’s Vincente Fox rather Canada as has been tradition? Canada felt the snub but the goal of the Bush administration was to improve relations with Latin America. Ah, but 9/11 came along and Latin America became an afterthought.

We need to have tough love with our brothers ans sisters of the Americas. A third world country at our doorstep is unacceptable and somehow some way we need Mexico to be a place to live and work for not just Mexicans but why not Americans.

And finally, I would like our fellow American countrymen to stop consuming illegal narcotics as it is fueling the narcoterrorists of Mexico. Frustrating as how can we overcome our addiction?

Good luck to us all.

islandman78 on April 5, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Why not? Because nations should never, ever try to prevent citizens from leaving. I can only wish that nations like Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, who prevented their Jews from emigrating, had actually encouraged them to leave.

It is a fundamental human right to be able to leave any given country which, of course, does not correlate to a fundamental human right to be able to enter any given country. It would be Mexico’s responsibility to seal their border to prevent people from entering Mexico from the United States, but it is our responsibility and our responsibility alone to prevent illegal aliens from crossing into the United States.

Absolutely, conservatives should resent people entering the US illegally. But under no circumstances should conservatives think that Mexico should not encourage emigration, or that Mexico should pay reparations for emigration, and it is precisely that kind of thinking that allows liberals to paint the Republican party as uneducated, anti-minority, or bigoted.

solatic on April 5, 2012 at 10:10 PM

SOLATIC:

There is a VAST difference between demanding that Mexico do its fair share to secure the border that it shares with the US and live up to its responsibility as a sovereign nation both to its own citizens and its neighbors, and demanding that MEXICO ACTIVELY PREVENT ITS OWN PEOPLE FROM LEGALLY EMIGRATING TO OTHER NATIONS.To suggest that there is no difference between the two positions is ludicrous.

What we are dealing with is MEXICO ACTIVELY ENCOURAGING THEIR CITIZENS TO ILLEGALLY ENTER THE US, which places an unfair burden on the citizens and legal immigrants of our own nation, and creates a condition wherein persons who have not been subjected to any kind of background check are presenting a clear national security risk, as well as puts those same illegal immigrants in a precarious legal position since they are often obliged to commit felonies such as identity theft in order to procure employment once they are here.

WHY should the US assume the entire responsibility for the border that we share with Mexico? Every sovereign nation has a responsibility and a duty to their own citizens to see that their borders are secure and to know who is crossing to and from their nation as well an identical duty and responsibility to their neighbors to share the cost and responsibility of securing said border(s). Such responsibility is intrinsic to sovereignty. ALL sovereign nations bear the responsibility for, and recognize the necessity of, maintaining and securing their borders. Normally, sovereign nations do not encourage their people to IMPOSE themselves on their neighbors, willfully shattering their neighbors existing immigration law.

Mexico should be asked to pay for the damages they have WILLFULLY inflicted on the United States by ACTIVELY ENCOURAGING THEIR CITIZENS NOT ONLY TO WILLFULLY SHATTER EXISTING US FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW, BUT ALSO TO IMPOSE THEMSELVES ON THE UNITED STATES, ITS STATES, ITS COMMUNITIES, ITS CITIZENS AND ITS LEGAL IMMIGRANTS BYPASSING THE LEGAL IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.

This is not about not wishing to cause Mexico to prevent it citizens from LEGAL EMIGRATION. This is about demanding that Mexico honor OUR sovereignty, our laws, the rights of our citizens and legal immigrants and OUR RIGHT TO KNOW WHO IS IN OUR NATION AND WHY THEY ARE HERE, AND OUR RIGHT TO DETERMINE WHO IS WELCOME IN OUR NATION AND WHO IS NOT, an intrinsic right of a sovereign nation and a sovereign people. This is about MEXICO REFRAINING FROM ENCOURAGING ITS CITIZENS TO WILLFULLY SHATTER THOSE LONG STANDING FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS AND REFRAINING FROM ENCOURAGING ITS CITIZENS TO ATTEMPT TO BYPASS OUR LEGAL IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.

thatsafactjack on April 6, 2012 at 1:04 AM

What’s unreasonable about asking Mexico to either make a good faith effort to stop illegal immigration into our country or pay the tab for its citizens that are coming here illegally with its blessing?

I think we all know the answer to this question – asking Mexico to compensate us for the enormous drain on our economy, country, infrastructure, services, and culture would be RAAAAACIST, of course.

crazy_legs on April 6, 2012 at 7:57 AM

I’d prefer that we just annex Mexico – we have their people, we might as well have the real estate – besides they’ve got oil and aren’t afraid to drill for it.

Wander on April 5, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Well, we had the option back in 1848. However, General Scott took a look around and decided it was a probably not worth it.

LoganSix on April 6, 2012 at 9:00 AM

I am ordinarily never in favor of raising taxes but I think it’s time to put a heavy tax on all money transferred to Mexico. It should be the law that the money raised can only be used to compensate states and hospitals for the money they have to spend giving benefits and medical care, etc. to illegals. That way the federal government would not be able to waste the money on something else. Maybe each state could collect the tax.

sherrimae on April 6, 2012 at 3:04 PM