White House weighs in on Augusta National’s membership policy

posted at 3:26 pm on April 5, 2012 by Tina Korbe

Sheesh, is no realm free from politics? We were unable to watch the NCAA championship game without hearing how Barack Obama’s bracket stacked up against the average American’s and now we’re unlikely to be able to enjoy the Masters without having to turn our attention to some attendant political controversy. In this case, what that controversy would be was wholly predictable. It has always bothered a particular kind of spoilsport that Augusta National Golf Club — the historic home of the Masters — is an all-male (private) club.

This year, though, the Club’s all-male policy is especially controversial. IBM is one of the tournament’s chief corporate sponsors and Augusta traditionally offers the CEO of IBM a membership. At least, the last three CEOs of the company are reportedly members. Now, though, the CEO of IBM is a woman. Augusta is stuck in the uncomfortable position of extending the invite and overturning its all-male tradition — or of withholding the invite because the IBM CEO is female and overturning its tradition of thanking corporate sponsors with memberships.

Somehow, this particular situation newly entitles the president to give his opinion on Augusta’s membership policy:

President Barack Obama believes women should be allowed to become members of the all-male Augusta National Golf Club, White House press secretary Jay Carney said Thursday, as the four-day Masters tournament got under way.

“His personal opinion is that women should be admitted,” Mr. Carney told reporters. “But it’s obviously up to the club to decide.” …

The White House conveyed Mr. Obama’s position on the Georgia golf club on the eve of its conference on women and the economy and as the president’s re-election campaign is making a push to win over women voters.

Critics quickly responded to the president’s comments. His remarks, they say, were aimed to propagate the meme that Republicans are waging a war on women. (Apparently, Augusta is a Republican?) If that was his aim, he surely failed. His opinions just reminded women who care about these sorts of things of his own propensity to exclude them on the golf course:

Obama played 23 rounds of golf between January and October of 2009 before inviting a single woman to his foursome, the New York Times reported. This was emblematic of broader concerns over the president’s preference for the company and advice of men:

The technical foul over the all-male game has become a nagging concern for a White House that has battled an impression dating to the presidential campaign that Mr. Obama’s closest advisers form a boys’ club and that he is too frequently in the company of only men — not just when playing sports, but also when making big decisions.

“Women are Obama’s base, and they don’t seem to have enough people who look like the base inside of their own inner circle,” former Clinton press secretary Dee Dee Myers told the Times.

At least, I assume that women who care about Augusta’s longstanding policy also care to criticize the presidents’ boys’ club.

Michelle Bernard, president and CEO of the Bernard Center for Women, Politics & Public Policy, is one of those women who is really not happy with Augusta. Bernard, who began an opinion piece for The Washington Post with a sentence I could have written (“My father and brother, two of the most important men in my life, love golf.”), concluded it with something I never would have:

What’s Augusta to do? The club has not confirmed whether or not it plans to invite Ms. Rometty, who is reportedly an occasional golfer. The situation puts the club in a tough position. Rather than not extending an invitation to a woman, it would be not extending a traditional invitation to a sponsoring CEO because she’s a woman. I have a real problem with that. …

It baffles me what the members of this club must tell their daughters. How do they tell their girls they can be anything they want in this world except a member of daddy’s club? This isn’t a matter of a private club making its own rules and being able to do what it chooses because it’s private. It’s a matter of a group of people purposely excluding an entire gender. Legal or not, it’s morally wrong.

This club is stuck in an ugly past in which discrimination was not only normal but acceptable. How many more accomplished, successful women can they allow to be passed up for membership solely because of their gender? As with all things related to golf, this, too, is a matter of character.

As I said, I could identify with her first sentence: My father and brother, too, love golf. In fact, my father, who played professional baseball, urged my brother to quit “the all-American sport” at age 12 so he could focus on golf, “the gentleman’s game.” My brother did focus on golf — and, as a Division I college golfer, won the Byron Nelson award, which is given annually to one or two graduating seniors who exemplify outstanding performance throughout their career in academics and golf. (The deciding committee also considers the nominee’s character and integrity, but I’ll quit bragging.) He opted not to go pro because he wanted to pursue a career in medicine. So, if it’s a contest of whose father and brother love golf more, I’d put mine up against Bernard’s any day.

Frankly, I don’t see how it’s relevant to the question of whether Augusta should admit women. This question, however, is — and I’d like to pose it to both Ms. Bernard and President Obama: Did neither of them read the Berenstain Bears books as kids?

Remember the book in which Brother Bear starts a club and posts a sign outside his fort that says, “No girls allowed”? Sister Bear is crushed and cries to her mother — but Mama Bear doesn’t allow Sister to give herself up to victimitis. Instead, she helps Sister Bear create an even better fort and bakes her chocolate chip cookies. Pretty soon, Brother Bear smells the cookies and wants to join Sister’s club — and learns just what he was missing by excluding her in the first place!

If there’s anything that’s unlikely to make Augusta wish to admit women, it’s for women to whine about their exclusion. Let women start their own all-female club. Let them make it one of the finest golf courses in the world. Even if Augusta never changes its policy, so what? We’ll be sitting in our more comfortable fort, eating chocolate chip cookies anyway …

Update: According to a tweet from Jake Tapper, Mitt Romney thinks women should be admitted, too, so I’ll extend my question to Mr. Romney, as well. I truly do find it more patronizing that people think women are incapable of creating our own Augusta or of living with the “disappointment” of not being admitted to a boys’ club.


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…and the Press will Parrot every race or gender issue from now until November!

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Amen!!!!!

Bitter Clinger on April 5, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Curious what those voicing an opinion on Augusta think of the LPGA, a business, that excludes men from membership?

AndrewsDad on April 5, 2012 at 4:25 PM

According to a tweet from Jake Tapper, Mitt Romney thinks women should be admitted, too

that’ll help w/ southern voters haha

DBear on April 5, 2012 at 4:26 PM

If the Boy Scouts can exclude gays (rightfully IMHO) then the Master’s can exclude wymmins.

But who makes their sammiches? I hope they got dames in the kitchen.

; )

Metal Head on April 5, 2012 at 4:27 PM

I wouldn’t count Tiger out.

Buy Danish on April 5, 2012 at 4:22 PM

As a power hitter? Yeah, count him out. First he has to rediscover how to hit it straight. Of course, that isn’t a pre-requisite for Augusta, as Mickelson’s green jackets can attest.

It will be interesting what he comes with tomorrow. Right now I just think he’s lucky that he had his back to back bogeys to end the day. If he’d started like that, those bogeys might have exacerbated that injury that flares up from time to time in over-par rounds.

Gingotts on April 5, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Biden: “Caterpillars should be admitted to Augusta”

faraway on April 5, 2012 at 4:30 PM

If the Boy Scouts can exclude gays (rightfully IMHO) then the Master’s can exclude wymmins.

But who makes their sammiches? I hope they got dames in the kitchen.

; )

Metal Head on April 5, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Why, you chauvinist.
///

Bitter Clinger on April 5, 2012 at 4:34 PM

this is so painfully obvious, i don’t know why more people aren’t offended by obama’s pandering.

is that what he thinks of women? they vote for the president of the united states based on getting free birth control and admission into an all-male club? isn’t that insulting? it’s like shut up and just enjoy the nice gold braclet i bought you while us men talk…

jetch on April 5, 2012 at 4:36 PM

His Monopoly game is a special version given to him by Bill Ayers. It has 48 “GO” squares, and you get paid $200 when you cross each one.

Ok, I made that up. But it would explain a great many things about Captain Kickass’s knowledge of economics.

BobMbx on April 5, 2012 at 4:08 PM

And my wife says to me “I keep hoping the SOB will land on Go Directly to Jail – do NOT collect $200.”

gepaza on April 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM

As he flails about from day to day, Obama is looking more and more like a big fat whiner and not very presidential. This will take a toll on his favorability numbers. (Who wants the President to be some prissy little complainer?)

It’ll be interesting to see how long it takes before those favorability numbers start falling.

EMD on April 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Let women start their own all-female club. Let them make it one of the finest golf courses in the world. Even if Augusta never changes its policy, so what? We’ll be sitting in our more comfortable fort, eating chocolate chip cookies anyway …

by that logic, should the blacks have just opened their own lunch counters? driven their own busses?

DBear on April 5, 2012 at 4:39 PM

To a lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist extremist, a person is NOT a person. A person is a color, a gender, a sexual orientation, an income level, a senior, a student, a political type, etc. The lunatic-left treats each of these characteristics independently from the others so the d-cRAT socialists can play their DIVIDE-AND-CONQUER game by pandering to each characteristic separately. This disgusting process helps destroy the unifying fabric of society, it causes friction and dissent among all of the people and it fosters a disruptive and unhealthy competition between people in each characteristic area that is exploited by the lunatic-left to benefit only the pandering d-cRAT socialists.

TeaPartyNation on April 5, 2012 at 4:41 PM

With due respect to the White House and Rmoney™, don’t you have something more important to do. We’ll get along fine on this one down here in Ga. Ladies I mean no disrespect to you when I say this. Its a mens tournament. The fine folks here at Augusta will be able to figure this out without anyones else’s help. Look at it this way we don’t mind you having your own private club. So since its a private club, stay out of it.

Bmore on April 5, 2012 at 4:41 PM

His Monopoly game is a special version given to him by Bill Ayers. It has 48 “GO” squares, and you get paid $200 when you cross each one.

Ok, I made that up. But it would explain a great many things about Captain Kickass’s knowledge of economics.

BobMbx on April 5, 2012 at 4:08 PM

And my wife says to me “I keep hoping the SOB will land on Go Directly to Jail – do NOT collect $200.”

gepaza on April 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM

You know, this Monopoly board is chock full of fun ideas. Call it Liberal Monopoly.
- Every railroad is a high speed rail project
- Electric Company is renamed Solyndra
- Free Parking is re-dubbed Free Contraceptives
- Jail is for right-wingers only
- The Luxury Tax space is renamed the Tax the 1%

Feel free to add.

Bitter Clinger on April 5, 2012 at 4:44 PM

DBear on April 5, 2012 at 4:39 PM

It is not helpful to remain in the past. For the most part, nothing is stopping that from occurring today, just like for the most part, nothing is stopping women from doing whatever the hell they want today. If anyone is in danger of being oppressed today (by actual government authority) it is Christians and conservatives. (See HHS mandate, government run schools, etc.)

bntafraid on April 5, 2012 at 4:44 PM

What is next? Membership in the He-Man Woman Haters Club? Spanky and Alfalfa will roll over in their graves.

DAT60A3 on April 5, 2012 at 4:48 PM

I wonder how Mr. Obama will react if the Augusta National board–which doesn’t give a rat’s posterior what either he or Martha Burk thinks–reverses itself due to the influence of one of those nasty corporations that he spends so much time complaining about. It won’t be pretty, however it ends up manifesting.

M. Scott Eiland on April 5, 2012 at 4:50 PM

…And my wife says to me “I keep hoping the SOB will land on Go Directly to Jail – do NOT collect $200.”

gepaza on April 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM

In Eric Holder’s Department of ‘Justice’, blacks have an infinite supply of ‘get out of jail free’ cards.

slickwillie2001 on April 5, 2012 at 4:51 PM

It is not helpful to remain in the past.

bntafraid on April 5, 2012 at 4:44 PM

tell that to Tina! the Berenstain Bears books came out in the ’60′s!

DBear on April 5, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Just wondered: Does the National Organization of Women admit men?

Bitter Clinger on April 5, 2012 at 4:12 PM

On first appearances – literally – I always thought that it was nothing but men.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 5, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Must be a slow controversial statement day for Oflameout

DevilsPrinciple on April 5, 2012 at 4:55 PM

I understand the point some have made about the best male golfers being better than the best female golfers, but I don’t see how that applies to the corporate sponsor invites since that has nothing to do with golf skill.

The reality seems to be that they want it to remain a boys club. Legally, they have that right, but I think it is outdated.

BTW, has the IBM CEO commented on this?

McDuck on April 5, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Pinkos have no more respect for private property than their buddies, the commies (see Van Jone, Ayers, etc).

If they have to the membership of Augusta National will once again operate without television sponsorship, just as they did when Burk tried to make a big stink. It’s not like they run the tournament to make money. The membership does not need the money, obviously.

farsighted on April 5, 2012 at 5:01 PM

If they have to the membership of Augusta National will once again operate without television sponsorship, just as they did when Burk tried to make a big stink. It’s not like they run the tournament to make money. The membership does not need the money, obviously.

farsighted on April 5, 2012 at 5:01 PM

It was great fun watching the whole thing without TV ads that year…

Gingotts on April 5, 2012 at 5:04 PM

What a lot of posturing over nothing. Why is this issue never brought up about anything but Augusta? Do you know how many men belong to men only fraternal organizations? The Knights of Columbus has over a million members. Not only is it men only it’s only Catholic too. How many gyms are woman only? What about the girl scouts? They act as if this is unusual or something.

Rocks on April 5, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Mitt Romney thinks women should be admitted, too…

This is why I have trouble with Romney. He’s either pandering so or hard here it must hurt or he’s showing his pink side.

What you think they should do does not matter Mitt. Either you support private property rights you don’t. So which is it Mr. Mitt “stop me when you hear something you like” Romney?

farsighted on April 5, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Also, it’s not automatic Augusta invites CEO of sponsors to be a member.

Rocks on April 5, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Fixing the fix… Agreed that Daly was an amazing power hitter on the rare occasion he was sober, but gotta get with the time here. Daly and that other crossed-out guy are has-beens now.

Gingotts on April 5, 2012 at 4:15 PM

I love armchair “golf experts”

“has-beens”… 16 Majors, to 0 of the combined others.

Remeber Mike Weir? David Duvall? Yeah, me neither.

I love Bubba, JB, etc – but heres the key to golf: staying power and wins, namely majors. Fred Couples would be challanging Jacks Majors right now, if it wasnt for his back over the past 15 years, as would a handful of other golfers – including the newbiews you mentioned – if they win their first.

Tiger was soo horrid last year, he came in tied for 4th, while people overlook the impressive and amazing Charl last 9 hole win, but morons call it “Tiger’s failure”

Daly has been playing pretty damn well – his issue is sponsorship to tourneys – whereas he may be a jackass sometimes – but is playing much better, 20 years later.

And I am sure you have heard “drive for show, putt for dough” – I take a few hundred off the “killer drivers” each month…

As to the others – the media and many folks hate Tiger so much (they always did, just have a reason now) a new “Tiger” is apparantly born every week, until they screw up the next 10 tourneys straight. I love Rory Mc… time will tell if he can live up to his potential – like hundreds of other golfers. Justin Rose, Charles Howell III, Sergio frikkin Garcia, etc, etc all have the “potential” – but due to factors, stresses, crap play – just didnt get it done.

So when any of the “new breed” hang around to fire off Majors, then you can talk crap about Daly and Tiger being “has beens”

Odie1941 on April 5, 2012 at 5:10 PM

It was great fun watching the whole thing without TV ads that year…

Gingotts on April 5, 2012 at 5:04 PM

It sure was. IIRC, they did it for two or three years, just to rub it in their face.

farsighted on April 5, 2012 at 5:11 PM

by that logic, should the blacks have just opened their own lunch counters? driven their own busses?

DBear on April 5, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Augusta is not public, it’s a private club. You are only made a member by invitation. No one is legally entitled to attend someone elses party.

Rocks on April 5, 2012 at 5:12 PM

If I were the CEO of IBM I’d strike up a deal with August to donate the membership for a charity auction.

They uphold tradition by donating the membership to the CEO.

A charity gets a bunch of money from some wealthy people that want to be members at August and feel good about themselves.

She gets classy points for helping Augusta out of an awkward situation that she likely did not want them to be in in the first place.

JadeNYU on April 5, 2012 at 5:18 PM

…and the Press will Parrot every race or gender issue from now until November!

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Amen!!!!!

Bitter Clinger on April 5, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Then it is our job not to let them. Give them no courtesy when they do live shots. Interrupt them live on the air and challenge them. Show them to be the idiots they are.

reddevil on April 5, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Thread Winner! 7% and his multiple observations. Augusta gives you a nice round of applause. No jacket though. ; )

Bmore on April 5, 2012 at 5:24 PM

I love armchair “golf experts”

“has-beens”… 16 Majors, to 0 of the combined others.

14 but I suppose a true expert like yourself knows enough more than “armchair golf expert,” that you can just go ahead and award him a couple of more majors unilaterally.

Nobody has questioned whether Tiger has won Majors, but is he currently up to snuff? 14 majors and he’s won as many as you and I have over the past three years.

I do agree partially that it was tragic how Charl Schwartzel’s brilliant play was overlooked last year, due to the constant media fixation on everything being Tiger. But then again, that’s what Tiger fans demand, and so that’s what they get.

And yes, I disliked him before the affairs – those were just another symptom of his downfall – the cause was his arrogance. Meanwhile, I’m quite fine watching Schwartzel, McIlroy, McDowell, Oosthuizen, Bradley… without having to deal with Tiger’s ego standing in the way. You may not be bullish on the new crowd, but they aren’t afraid of your boy Tiger anymore and it shows. He’s a very old 36, with wonky injuries that suddenly jump in every time he bogeys a par 5 or two.

Gingotts on April 5, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Sheesh, is no realm free from politics?

No — for the Left, EVERYTHING should be ultimately controlled for the benefit of society, thus EVERYTHING is political, from the gold club you attend to the wood that makes up the clubs you use on the course, to the car you drove to get there.

EasyEight on April 5, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Gingotts on April 5, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Tiger still has plenty of game. Methinks your injury comment was a cheap shot. He has played through injuries time and time again. Pulling out a few weeks ago was a first t.t.b.o.m.k.

Look, if you don’t like him personally, fine, that’s certainly understandable. But let’s not conflate a character judgment with an appraisal of his skills.

Buy Danish on April 5, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Tiger still has plenty of game. Methinks your injury comment was a cheap shot. He has played through injuries time and time again. Pulling out a few weeks ago was a first t.t.b.o.m.k.

2011 TPC Sawgrass. And yes, he’s played through injuries, when he’s in contention to win. When he isn’t, he gives up and quits.

And the appraisal of his skill is separated from my personal dislike of the guy. The simple fact is that he isn’t as good as he was. There are other younger guys who are better. This is backed up by World golf rankings and basic statistics from the past three years. Most players start losing their game around 35, and Tiger has pushed himself so hard that he’s aging particularly hard.

He’ll still win on occasion, but those who see the same old Tiger who can dominate and hang consistently with the new players aren’t seeing clearly.

Gingotts on April 5, 2012 at 5:49 PM

And yet, thousands of women-only gyms still exist, and have no demagoguing heading their way. I think I will start a movement to break them.

PJ Emeritus on April 5, 2012 at 6:29 PM

A private club can admit whomever they want regardless or reason, legit or not. A business can’t do the same…. unless you are a female gym or the LPGA or the WNBA or something along those lines I guess.

AndrewsDad on April 5, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Well, I’m ticked that I haven’t been invited to join.

I’m a minority … I’m the only “me” on a planet of, what, 8 billion people? (It’s all in how you define it).

At least give me an invite to play the course once … or a ticket to the Tournament … heck, I’d take a practice round ticket …..

BD57 on April 5, 2012 at 7:02 PM

And yet, thousands of women-only gyms still exist, and have no demagoguing heading their way. I think I will start a movement to break them.

PJ Emeritus on April 5, 2012 at 6:29 PM

I’d advise you to stand down PJ. You do realize that those gyms are mainly full of pre,current and post menopausal women that will break you first. Be afraid, be very afraid.

DoubleClutchin on April 5, 2012 at 7:05 PM

At least, I assume that women who care about Augusta’s longstanding policy also care to criticize the presidents’ boys’ club.

The women who care about this stuff have probably never even seen a golf club, let alone play it regularly.

Spliff Menendez on April 5, 2012 at 7:42 PM

The real question is:

Is Augusta National Sharia Law compliant?

BigAlSouth on April 5, 2012 at 7:46 PM

He’ll still win on occasion, but those who see the same old Tiger who can dominate and hang consistently with the new players aren’t seeing clearly.

Gingotts on April 5, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Because he doesn’t consistantly finish in the top ten anymore? Which he does?

The rankings reflect his lack of tournements played, nothing else. Most pro golfers don’t hit their prime until their early to mid 30s.

The talent you see out there today is BECAUSE of Tiger. But none of them can even sniff Tiger from when he was 20.

Tiger is golf. Look at the TV ratings.

Spliff Menendez on April 5, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Does this president not have a country to run. The 15 trillion dollar debt is not enough to keep him busy?

We have to defeat this divider in chief in November.

Redford on April 5, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Me Too Mittens Will Not Be Out Pandered!!

james23 on April 5, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Originally, “golf” stood for:
Gentlemen
Only
Ladies
Forbidden

To right this historical wrong, I propose changing the name to “goof“:

Gentlemen
Only
Obama
Forbidden

Glenn Jericho on April 5, 2012 at 9:04 PM

If there’s anything that’s unlikely to make Augusta wish to admit women, it’s for women to whine about their exclusion. Let women start their own all-female club. Let them make it one of the finest golf courses in the world. Even if Augusta never changes its policy, so what? We’ll be sitting in our more comfortable fort, eating chocolate chip cookies anyway …

I understand the point some have made about the best male golfers being better than the best female golfers, but I don’t see how that applies to the corporate sponsor invites since that has nothing to do with golf skill.
The reality seems to be that they want it to remain a boys club. Legally, they have that right, but I think it is outdated.
BTW, has the IBM CEO commented on this?
McDuck on April 5, 2012 at 4:56 PM

What a lot of posturing over nothing. Why is this issue never brought up about anything but Augusta? Do you know how many men belong to men only fraternal organizations? The Knights of Columbus has over a million members. Not only is it men only it’s only Catholic too. How many gyms are woman only? What about the girl scouts? They act as if this is unusual or something.
Rocks on April 5, 2012 at 5:06 PM

It’s not about the golfing — it’s about the high-level schmoozing and the deals that get cut among the members while they’re out “relaxing over a game”.
This is one of the original salient points of the Women’s Liberation Movement (before it morphed into the We Love Marx travesty): excluding women from the all-male forts handicapped their assault on the bastions of real power.

Chocolate chip cookies are not going to lure these guys over to your side.

AesopFan on April 5, 2012 at 9:06 PM

typical pigs romney and gingrich want women in augusta simply to pander to the “independents”

If Sarah said it though, i would agree. not the dudes. they have no cred. best to shut. but, no. they had to open their mouths. more lib ammo. gracias.

renalin on April 5, 2012 at 9:09 PM

His Monopoly game is a special version given to him by Bill Ayers. It has 48 “GO” squares, and you get paid $200 when you cross each one.
Ok, I made that up. But it would explain a great many things about Captain Kickass’s knowledge of economics.
BobMbx on April 5, 2012 at 4:08 PM

And my wife says to me “I keep hoping the SOB will land on Go Directly to Jail – do NOT collect $200.”
gepaza on April 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM

You know, this Monopoly board is chock full of fun ideas. Call it Liberal Monopoly.
- Every railroad is a high speed rail project
- Electric Company is renamed Solyndra
- Free Parking is re-dubbed Free Contraceptives
- Jail is for right-wingers only
- The Luxury Tax space is renamed the Tax the 1%
Feel free to add.

Bitter Clinger on April 5, 2012 at 4:44 PM

– Nobody gets to buy Park Place or Boardwalk because they aren’t part of the 1%
– but there’s an “Occupy the Property of your choice” card in the game
– Houses are free if you don’t have enough money to pay for one
– but the “Exercise power of eminent domain” card lets you take away someone else’s houses and hotels without completing any other development
– The Water Company has been removed to protect the Delta Smelt
– There is no bank; everyone starts with whatever money they can grab and can help themselves to any money paid for fines or purchases
– but there is a card allowing you to “Redistribute the wealth of any player as you choose”

You’re right — this is fun!

If only it weren’t the game actually being played on Capitol Hill —

AesopFan on April 5, 2012 at 9:17 PM

AGITATION PROPAGANDA. First Fluke/Rush/War on Woman. Then Treyvon. Now Augusta. The media doing Obama’s bidding. Anything not to talk about the debt.

sbvft contributor on April 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM

The real question is:

Is Augusta National Sharia Law compliant?

BigAlSouth on April 5, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Excellent point! He doesn’t have anything to say about what women went through with the Taliban, and how they are scared to death they are over us leaving…

ccrosby on April 5, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Mitt Romney thinks women should be admitted, too…

This is why I have trouble with Romney. He’s either pandering so or hard here it must hurt or he’s showing his pink side.

What you think they should do does not matter Mitt. Either you support private property rights you don’t. So which is it Mr. Mitt “stop me when you hear something you like” Romney?

farsighted on April 5, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Romney too smart to fall in a trap like Santorum and you. So he said he thinks women should be admitted. Do you have problem with anyone having an opinion? Even some people with problem with his eyesight (and other faculty?) can have and post an opinion, worthy or not. Did Romney say he is forcing his opinion on the Augusta National Golf Club? Do you want Barry to get a cheap win with the female voters.

galtani on April 5, 2012 at 9:46 PM

2011 TPC Sawgrass. And yes, he’s played through injuries, when he’s in contention to win. When he isn’t, he gives up and quits.

And the appraisal of his skill is separated from my personal dislike of the guy. The simple fact is that he isn’t as good as he was. There are other younger guys who are better. This is backed up by World golf rankings and basic statistics from the past three years. Most players start losing their game around 35, and Tiger has pushed himself so hard that he’s aging particularly hard.

He’ll still win on occasion, but those who see the same old Tiger who can dominate and hang consistently with the new players aren’t seeing clearly.

Gingotts on April 5, 2012 at 5:49 PM

You do realize – only 1 golfer is currently ranked ahead of Tiger right now in FedEx and World Rankings… right. Rory.

So the washed up, tired has been who is so arrogant, he is “failed”…. is ranked higher than all the newbies you mentioned, sans Rory.

4 surgeries – a disgusting cheating/divorce scandal (which is between him and his wife and thats about it) and has played in 1/3rd of the tourney’s of the rest of the guys…

Sorry, your “point” and opinion is moot.

Odie1941 on April 5, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Does anyone really care what this big-eared fence post thinks about anthing? Really? He pays more attention to what’s on Sport Center than what is really important.

Rio Linda Refugee on April 5, 2012 at 10:57 PM

They will talk about anything to avoid talking about the economy. Heck the White House will start a race riot if it will deflect from Obama’s record…a tacit admission that Obama knows he failed.

Jabez01 on April 5, 2012 at 11:43 PM

by that logic, should the blacks have just opened their own lunch counters? driven their own busses?

DBear on April 5, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Actually, they did own their own restaurants and hotels, etc. Desegregation was the right thing to do because it outlawed discrimination, but it also destroyed many black-owned businesses.

And they weren’t excluded from city buses, so that point is a non-starter.

And I’d to ask Michelle Bernard if she thinks that it is immoral that the National Organization for Women doesn’t have male members, or that the Congressional Black Caucus doesn’t have white members, or that Mensa doesn’t admit dullards, or that the National Puzzler’s League’s members are all puzzle makers?

Augusta is an all-male private country club. So what? What’s it to ya?

Tuning Spork on April 6, 2012 at 12:43 AM

A green hoodie ceremony is going to look pretty lame for winning the Masters especially if you then have to fight someone in a parking lot rumble for the five-hundred dollar basketball shoes to go with it.

viking01 on April 6, 2012 at 12:48 AM

You do realize – only 1 golfer is currently ranked ahead of Tiger right now in FedEx and World Rankings… right. Rory.

So the washed up, tired has been who is so arrogant, he is “failed”…. is ranked higher than all the newbies you mentioned, sans Rory.

4 surgeries – a disgusting cheating/divorce scandal (which is between him and his wife and thats about it) and has played in 1/3rd of the tourney’s of the rest of the guys…

Sorry, your “point” and opinion is moot.

Odie1941 on April 5, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Wrong again there, Sparky, as you were with the “16 Majors.” Tiger is NOT #2 in the world rankings or the Fed Ex cup. Luke Donald is currently #1, not Rory – he’s #2. Westwood, Mahan, Stricker, Kaymer are also all better than Tiger Woods. In the Fed Ex Cup he’s out of the top ten. If it weren’t for his refusal to play most events like the others it would be far lower than that. Two weeks ago he was out of the top 20 in World Rankings and the top 100 in Fed Ex Cup.

Meanwhile I don’t understand why Tiger’s fans see the fact that he refuses to play golf nearly as much as the others as a badge of honor. A great golfer plays week in and week out and makes a showing. Cherry-picking tourneys according to his chances of victory and winning only once in two years even then – that’s the mark of a golfer past his prime. It happens to all players, sorry that you’re such a fanboy that you can’t admit it.

Sorry, your “point” and opinion is moot.

Odie1941 on April 5, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Bahahahahaha! Because somebody who has gotten basic statistical golf facts wrong in two of two posts says so? Get over yourself…

Spiff Menendez: Some of the new American talent is because of Tiger, but that is certainly not true of those outside the USA, which is where the most new names are showing themselves. Give credit where it is due to guys like Darren Clarke, Bernhard Langer, and Ernie Els, for without them we wouldn’t have McIlroy, Kaymer, or Schwartzel/Oosthuizen.

As for TV ratings, that is true. Tiger brings them in. Of course, as even professional pollsters at Rasmussen showed us, 2/3 of us who watch him are rooting against him.

Gingotts on April 6, 2012 at 5:42 AM

Well perhaps if 0bama had ever stood up to the Muslim/Islamist/Muslim brotherhood leaders instead of bowing and scrapping to them and demanded that women be allowed to vote, hold jobs, drive, be seen in public, not be killed for being raped etc he just might have a leg to stand on…..but apparently those sorts of pesky details don’t impact women the way a golf club membership,does

Caseoftheblues on April 6, 2012 at 7:18 AM

Bmore on April 5, 2012 at 5:24 PM

hear hear

cmsinaz on April 6, 2012 at 7:43 AM

DBear on April 5, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Actually, yes, if they were privately owned. You don’t have a right to make other people do things your way with their stuff just because you think they should. “Public” (taxpayer-owned) facilities should be open to all, but private citizens have the right to be jerks if they want.

DrMagnolias on April 6, 2012 at 8:09 AM

The real question is…why would any woman vote based upon a politician’s view on golf membership? The answer is because too many women vote based upon nonsense issues like that. Another question…has anyone ever heard of a man wanting to join a women’s organization?

cajunpatriot on April 6, 2012 at 8:38 AM

I asked this question in the headline thread and I will ask it here. Why should Augusta be compelled to accept female members? Are there not clubs, groups and organizations that exclude men?

This is a private organization and should be allowed to invite who they will. You can’t have it both ways. Are prepared to compel the women’s only organizations to accept and accommodate men?

dogsoldier on April 6, 2012 at 8:39 AM

Didn’t Hillary graduate from Wellesley? An ALL GIRLS college!

Bevan on April 6, 2012 at 8:52 AM

I’m female – a private club has the right to keep it all male or in other cases all female. PERIOD END FINISH.

Any politician stating otherwise is just pandering.

IlonaE on April 6, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Obama uses the red tees

Bevan on April 6, 2012 at 8:53 AM

OMG! The President has an opinion, this is so wrong. We shouldn’t let the ****** talk. When did they get first amendement?!

lester on April 6, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Women reporters are allowed unfettered access to Men’s Pro sport locker rooms. Men reporters are NOT allowed in pro women sports locker rooms.
Only women have the right to kill
Thats some “equal protection” clause we got here

Bevan on April 6, 2012 at 9:00 AM

OMG! The President has an opinion, this is so wrong. We shouldn’t let the ****** talk. When did they get first amendement?!

lester on April 6, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Lester, I’d bet money that Obama’s real opinion is that Augusta should remain as it is. His “rhetoric” is pandering…it’s probably not his opinion. The same goes for Romney and Santorum.

cajunpatriot on April 6, 2012 at 9:03 AM

You know, this Monopoly board is chock full of fun ideas. Call it Liberal Monopoly.
– Every railroad is a high speed rail project
– Electric Company is renamed Solyndra
– Free Parking is re-dubbed Free Contraceptives
– Jail is for right-wingers only
– The Luxury Tax space is renamed the Tax the 1%
Feel free to add.

Bitter Clinger on April 5, 2012 at 4:44 PM

– Nobody gets to buy Park Place or Boardwalk because they aren’t part of the 1%
– but there’s an “Occupy the Property of your choice” card in the game
– Houses are free if you don’t have enough money to pay for one
– but the “Exercise power of eminent domain” card lets you take away someone else’s houses and hotels without completing any other development
– The Water Company has been removed to protect the Delta Smelt
– There is no bank; everyone starts with whatever money they can grab and can help themselves to any money paid for fines or purchases
– but there is a card allowing you to “Redistribute the wealth of any player as you choose”

You’re right — this is fun!

If only it weren’t the game actually being played on Capitol Hill —

AesopFan on April 5, 2012 at 9:17 PM

–the Czar card allows the holder to re-direct any and all activity of any other player for the remainder of the game
–the One card allows the player to commandeer all assets of all other players and to scold them periodically
– the Holder card allows its holder to totally disregard all of the rules of the game and to re-define them as the game goes along
–Any player showing an interest in getting ahead is immediately fined and gets permanently identified as being a right wing conservative
–the NOW card allows the holder to cry and moan about everything not related to reality

gepaza on April 6, 2012 at 9:08 AM

President downgrade will use anything to distract the public from his ridiculous handling of the economy…Thank you President Obama for making the United States the laughing stock of the world. We are 15 Trillion in debt and on the way to a titanic financial day of reckoning and yet we have free contraception as a national talking point…Here’s a note to American women, go to Walmart and get your pills for eight bucks a month or so…For the price of a Mcdonalds lunch you can do your part to prevent National bankruptcy…

Nozzle on April 6, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Strange how this subject only comes up once a year in early April. This is a private club that takes no govt money. They should be supported and left alone. If they are forced by PC to cave on this will they change the name to the Masters and Mistresses?

Kissmygrits on April 6, 2012 at 9:20 AM

I have mixed feelings on this. As someone who’s participating in more than my fair share of “Girls’ nights”, I get the desire (and sometimes need) to be among your own gender. And I’d never want to join a club where I’m the sole exception (for whatever reason). Were I offered the membership, I’d turn it down.

But then, I am also a member of a golf club that does not hide its preference for men. There used to be a bathroom stop halfway through that had mens and mens restrooms, no womens. The bar area was also in the mens locker room, so naturally, women couldn’t enter and couldn’t join the poker games, etc. Now, some of this was unintentional and was fixed with remodeling, but I would never want to force them to change for me. If they don’t want me there, then I don’t want to be there. My husband loves golf and has managed to make it work for his career, so I support him, but I don’t even like golf. It’s boring.

Esthier on April 6, 2012 at 9:42 AM

It’s not about the golfing — it’s about the high-level schmoozing and the deals that get cut among the members while they’re out “relaxing over a game”.
This is one of the original salient points of the Women’s Liberation Movement (before it morphed into the We Love Marx travesty): excluding women from the all-male forts handicapped their assault on the bastions of real power.
Chocolate chip cookies are not going to lure these guys over to your side.
AesopFan on April 5, 2012 at 9:06 PM

I don’t know what the rules are at Augusta, but many exclusive “gentlemanly” clubs don’t permit business discussions among members while on the premises. And Augusta’s members are the crème de la crème- they don’t need to be making deals on golf courses or “networking”. They have plenty of opportunities to do that outside of the golf course.

Meanwhile I don’t understand why Tiger’s fans see the fact that he refuses to play golf nearly as much as the others as a badge of honor. A great golfer plays week in and week out and makes a showing. Cherry-picking tourneys according to his chances of victory and winning only once in two years even then – that’s the mark of a golfer past his prime. It happens to all players, sorry that you’re such a fanboy that you can’t admit it.

Gingotts on April 6, 2012 at 5:42 AM

That’s some major b.s. you’re peddling there. All smart golfers “cherry-pick” tournaments. Some courses are more suited to their game than others. That’s just a fact, Jack. As for Tiger, you keep focusing on the last 2 years while ignoring everything else he’s achieved. Gosh, we could call “cherry-picking”.

Nobody knows what Tiger’s future will be but what you’re doing is taking your wishful thinking that his career is essentially over and pretending that it’s informed, predictive commentary. And FTR, I love the young guns too.

Buy Danish on April 6, 2012 at 9:44 AM

That’s some major b.s. you’re peddling there. All smart golfers “cherry-pick” tournaments. Some courses are more suited to their game than others. That’s just a fact, Jack. As for Tiger, you keep focusing on the last 2 years while ignoring everything else he’s achieved. Gosh, we could call “cherry-picking”.

I focus on the last two years, because in case you’ve forgotten the argument is that Tiger is not as good as he used to be. Don’t you think that would naturally involve looking at his recent record, rather than living in the past? Is he as good now as he was? The obvious answer is no, however badly you wish to deny it and pretend the last two years never happened.

As for the “cherry-picking” argument, it has been the Tiger fanboys who have been making the case that he plays less often than the others and that somehow justifies pretending he’s still great… And the fact (Jack) is that he cherry-picks more than the others. Again, look at the world rankings. Tiger is one of only two in the top 50 with fewer than 45 starts in the past two years. Most have around 52. You expect me to believe that they are as inactive and choosy as Tiger?

Man I’ve never seen anybody so defensive over some random guy who doesn’t know or care one bit about you…

Gingotts on April 6, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Does anyone really care what the marxist fraud in the white house is told to say what he thinks?

Robert Jensen on April 6, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Man I’ve never seen anybody so defensive over some random guy who doesn’t know or care one bit about you…
Gingotts on April 6, 2012 at 9:55 AM

It’s not about him, it’s about your jackasserie. Yes, there are questions about whether Tiger can come back. I said, “Don’t count him out”; You say, ‘forget it, his career is over’.

But not only have you gleefully predicted the end of his career based on the past 2 years, specifically germane to my last comment to you, your “all great players” statement was pathetic. Are you saying he wasn’t a “great player” when he “cherry-picked” tournaments before the the past 2 years?

All golfers cherry pick. For a multitude of reasons, he gradually cut back on the total number of tournaments he chose to play in. So what? He can do that. People like Mickelson like to play the Shell Houston Open so they’re competing right before the Masters, others prefer not to. So what? They do what they think is best for their game and career. And no one competes “week after week”. Pros typically play between 20 to 30 PGA events a year. It’s more than Tiger has been playing lately but it’s still not every week.

Meanwhile, how many players plod on for years yet come out of nowhere to have a great day at just the right time? Many do. Yet you seem determined to judge Tiger’s future based on the past 2 years alone. Does he have a great mental and physical hurdle to overcome? No doubt. But if anyone can do it, he can.

Buy Danish on April 6, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Again, sorry you are so hurt about something as simple as golf… but it’s my “jackasserie” eh? So then you make clear that you aren’t so much about discussing Tiger as you are about addressing me personally… That sounds too close to saying that your primary aim is less golf and more about extending a p-ssing contest, and from that I will withdraw.

Oh, and nevermind that the argument that Tiger plays significantly less than others was made by one of your fellow Tiger boosters… The numbers are obviously a lie. Alas, enjoy the very many majors Tiger is sure to win. He looked great out there yesterday with his two unplayable drives.

Tiger Woods will be great forever, he can do no wrong. Age is meaningless to him. He alone can overcome the simple age barriers that slowed and stopped Tom Watson, Greg Norman, and Arnold Palmer. The statistics that I use to back up every one of my statements is nonexistent to your single-handed determination that all I say is “pathetic,” or “major b.s.”

Or possibly time is working against Tiger as it does against all athletes and the multiple examples showing this actually matter, but you don’t want to hear that. All I know is that the parity of recent years has made for some excellent golf, and speaking as a golf fan I’ve enjoyed every bit of it. I can’t speak for Tiger fans.

Gingotts on April 6, 2012 at 11:39 AM

I could get behind Tiger again, especially if he came out against Obama?

StevC on April 6, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Gingotts on April 6, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Ha! I’m not “hurt” (but great job proving you’re a jackass). I addressed the factual basis of your comments, not you “personally”. You’re the one who is trying to make this personal by presuming I’m a member of Tiger’s “fan boy club” and making moronic statements about me being “hurt” and other fatuous blatherings.

You keep building straw men, arguing (like Obama!) against points I never made. Like this:

Tiger Woods will be great forever, he can do no wrong. Age is meaningless to him. He alone can overcome the simple age barriers that slowed and stopped Tom Watson, Greg Norman, and Arnold Palmer.

Buy Danish on April 6, 2012 at 12:21 PM

I guess the usual libertarian commenters are too busy elsewhere with our constitutional right to shoot speedball to weigh in on the freedom of association issue here.

Knott Buyinit on April 6, 2012 at 12:23 PM

MOTUS finds other nefarious aspects of the Augusta ban on women:

Such sexist policies (part of the Republican War on Women) have been shown to have a deleterious effect on women golfer’s self esteem resulting in anxiety and depression that forces women to seek medical treatment and the use of prescription drugs. Since this drives up the cost of health care for everyone, it places this violation of human rights under the auspices of the Commerce Clause provisions of Obamacare.

Code Pink! And Yellow! And Green!

deweyfromdetroit on April 6, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Oh yeah, it would be great to have a bunch of moustached Sandra Flukes (democrats’ idea of “women”) stumbling around Augusta demanding free cocktails and birth control.

Pork-Chop on April 6, 2012 at 1:53 PM

I’m sure this issue is foremost in the minds of the 36.2% who have dropped out of the job market.

I would have to be comatose to care any less.

ConservativeLA on April 6, 2012 at 3:18 PM

This is nothing more than POTUS trying (and sadly succeeding to an extent) to distract those of us that KNOW how completely INEPT he is.

A fellow blogger here in S.E. Texas posted an “imaginary reply” from Augusta National that sure made me cheer – would that it could be real!

Ifn I were the Prez of Augusta National, I would address the letter of response thusly:

Dear Mr. President:
Augusta National CC is a private club with deep tradition. As a private club we are free to allow or exclude whomever we wish. We have freedom of association in the United States of America, perhaps you may want to consult a Constitutional expert and some case law to confirm this point.
As such, our new membership is absolutely none of your business, nor anyone else’s business outside the membership of Augusta National CC.
Now please go pound sand up your socialist hoo-ha and leave us alone!
With great irritation and contempt for you, I am
Prez______________

ps
Please tell your wife to stop stealing the taxpayers jet for her vacations

Katfish on April 6, 2012 at 3:50 PM

This is really important.

If Augusta National wants to take the chance of hacking off Ginny Rometty and losing IBM as a corporate sponsor, so what? Up to them….

I’m so sick of every celeb (and the Obamster falls into that category) thinking we need to know their opinions. KEEP THEM TO YOURSELVES! GIVE US A REST!

jclittlep on April 6, 2012 at 4:24 PM

OT re:energy:

How come no one ever proposes putting waterwheels along the Mississippi? Talk about a permanent energy source….

Who is John Galt on April 6, 2012 at 9:13 PM

When will we see Obama working out at Curves?

Colony14 on April 6, 2012 at 9:19 PM

When will we see Obama working out at Curves?

Colony14 on April 6, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Early October, before the pre-planned Race Riots ;)

Who is John Galt on April 6, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Buy Danish on April 6, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Whatever. You can call me all the names that you want, but it does not change the fact that Tiger is well into his decline. Good day to you.

Gingotts on April 7, 2012 at 3:16 PM

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