Nikki Haley echoes Sarah Palin: Allen West would be a “good” VP candidate

posted at 11:10 am on April 5, 2012 by Tina Korbe

While Paul Ryan’s plausibility as Mitt Romney’s running mate increases, two Mama Grizzlies push an equally attractive alternative — the irrepressible Allen West. Shortly after Sarah Palin issued generic advice to the eventual GOP nominee to “go rogue” in his selection of a vice presidential candidate, she backed that advice up with a specific mention of the Florida congressman. On Fox News Tuesday, Palin talked up West’s military experience and deep understanding of the U.S. Constitution and foreign policy.

Last night, South Carolina Republican Gov. Nikki Haley echoed Palin:

South Carolina governor Nikki Haley, a top surrogate for GOP frontrunner Mitt Romney, suggested Wednesday night that controversial Tea Party freshman Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) could be a “good” choice as the party’s vice presidential nominee.

“You’ve got great ones. You have heard Governor Palin talked about West, and he’s good,” Haley told Fox News. “Of course, Marco Rubio is great and Chris Christie. We know he can be the fighter, and I think there are so many really great ones out there. I think Romney is going to have a hard time picking.”

The vice presidential talent pool really is deep. West, Rubio, Ryan. Republican governors like Virginia’s Bob McDonnell, Nevada’s Brian Sandoval, New Mexico’s Susana Martinez, etc., etc.

Haley has counted herself out, and it’s hard to think Chris Christie or anybody who could have chased the presidential nomination himself would want to take part in a national campaign now anyway — but you never know.

West appeals to me less as a vice presidential candidate than Paul Ryan does, though. His fiery brand of rhetoric works where he is now, but it might not be as effective on the campaign trail, where it would be spliced into sound bites and tossed into attack ads. Conservatives are looking for an impassioned counterpart to Mitt Romney, but passion isn’t reducible to a willingness to speak frankly. Ryan’s deep commitment to bold ideas has been a powerful force in Congress and it would be a powerful force on the campaign trail, too.


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Danielvito on April 5, 2012 at 1:43 PM

If I could ever get my hands on you I would tear heart out and feed it to my dog!

You will burn in hell!!!

Danielvito on April 5, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Calm yourself. In all likelyhood, Gunlock Bill is probably some form of advanced trolling computer software, designed to seek out statements of logic and attempt to start fights with poorly coded attack phrases. It isn’t worth getting angry over. Eventually they’ll forget to update the firmware and it will be no more anyway.

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 1:44 PM

If I could ever get my hands on you I would tear heart out and feed it to my dog!

Danielvito on April 5, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Congrats. You are now acting as deranged as the person you’re addressing.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Now that’s a reason to break out the pom poms!!!

Cindy Munford on April 5, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Wow, I read that really quick and thought it said porn porns.

Claire McCaskill porn?

I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

The Honey Badger on April 5, 2012 at 1:46 PM

If I could ever get my hands on you I would tear heart out and feed it to my dog!

Danielvito on April 5, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Now, now. Be calm.

We all know how you really feel. You are really Gunlock’s Best Friend. We all know that if Gunlock Bill was starving, you’d rip his heart out and feed it to him.

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Happy Nomad on April 5, 2012 at 1:37 PM

The difference is fast destruction or slow decay. Hard to figure out which is preferable. I have heard some people say that maybe we need another term of BO is make people realize that the road we’re on is not the right one. If one doesn’t think Romney is likely to make things better – why put an R on this disaster?

Voting is a duty and a right but unlike you I do believe abstaining from voting does send a message to the politicians and it is never too late to do that. Politicians count on the voters folding and swallowing whatever they put in front of us – maybe it’s time to change that tune?

As said several times by others – all your nastiness does NOTHING for the candidate you support. All your words do is make people think that Romney supporters are A$$es who have no ability to convince others that he’s a good candidate so they resort to personal insults and attacks. Doesn’t speak highly of the candidate if that is the type of supporter he appeals to. Words like OCD, arrogant, boorish spring to mind.

katiejane on April 5, 2012 at 1:51 PM

He might be a decent choice as a stunt VP to pull in stauncher conservatives, and maybe some (possibly as many as 5 to 10!) black Obama voters who weren’t already planning on rubber-stamping The One over the vital skin melanin issue. And of course there’s far more realistic, albeit unfortunate, Florida electoral college factor. But West would probably be a very difficult VP to actually have serving under a RINO. (On the plus side, with him on the ticket I might actually watch a VP debate.)

Blacklake on April 5, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Allen West is cool and can take on the media. But I dont see why conservatives like Palin are so excited about him. His conservative voting record so far is really poor. He has not shown the strength the stand up to John Boehner. So far he has been go along to get along in the house when it comes to voting. He is not the establishment insider like Ryan, so maybe that is his appeal to Palin. I just wish his voting record was something to get excited about.

brix on April 5, 2012 at 1:53 PM

You’re attacking me for not supporting Romney, and you suggested I leave the country if I don’t want to vote for him. What other conclusion am I to arrive at, numbnuts?

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 1:38 PM

1) I am not attacking your for not supporting Romney, I am attacking you for supporting Obama. Can you see the difference?

2) I suggested that if you don’t like the way things are here in our country, you could leave. It had nothing to do with the fact that you “don’t want to vote for (Romney)”.

3) You could come to the correct conclusion, rather than your strawman based one.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Now that’s just ridiculous, comparing this election to last election. Next you’re going to suggest that Romney ran last time and los…wait.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Now, MadCon. Don’t speak blasphemy. The guy that lost to the loser is AWESOME! He speaks French, ya know.

katy the mean old lady on April 5, 2012 at 1:55 PM

portlandon on April 5, 2012 at 1:42 PM

LOL! I also struggle with double negatives. And spelling. And ending a sentence with a preposition. And the continual tack use of contractions and Southern slang. It is a compelling argument for ignoring everything I say.

Cindy Munford on April 5, 2012 at 1:55 PM

I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

The Honey Badger on April 5, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Understandable.

Cindy Munford on April 5, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Now, MadCon. Don’t speak blasphemy. The guy that lost to the loser is AWESOME! He speaks French, ya know.

katy the mean old lady on April 5, 2012 at 1:55 PM

He does?!! Why, that changes….absolutely nothing! LOL! :)

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 1:57 PM

If I could ever get my hands on you I would tear heart out and feed it to my dog!

You will burn in hell!!!

Danielvito on April 5, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Romney supportersABRtards. Winning friends and influencing people every day.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Fixed it for you.

You are welcome.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 1:58 PM

I completely understand and I don’t blame a single conservative for voting for Romney. However, I held my nose in 2008, and it’s the last time I shall do so. I’m not going to vote in moderate candidates just so they can further our problems and just end up making the electorate decide to give the Democrats another chance next term. I want honest conservatism in the executive branch, and Mitt Romney is neither honest nor conservative.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 12:49 PM

I don’t understand why the ABO bleaters don’t get this concept. They don’t seem to understand how conservatives could believe a RINO squish could potentially be WORSE, in the long run, than four more years of Obama. They are so clueless about this concept, that they are trying to bully people into supporting “Anybody But Obama” no matter how lousy, by screaming about our country being destroyed if Obama is reelected. Then again, many of them seem to be delighted that Romney is not conservative.

If I think that Romney might be as bad as Obama, or not quite as bad as Obama, then I’d rather have Obama to further screw things up, because he will be forced to take the blame. Romney further screwing things up could lead to another whole string of Obamas. I want a president that will reverse the destruction of our economy, not slow the ride over the cliff into the abyss. So far, I’m not convinced that Romney is the guy who will put us into reverse, and unless I am, by November, I’m not voting for him.

JannyMae on April 5, 2012 at 1:58 PM

If you don’t like it here, you could always move to another country.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Who the hell are you to tell any legal and free U.S. citizen what to do?

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 1:55 PM

No reading comprehension courses at KneeJerk Academy?

katy the mean old lady on April 5, 2012 at 1:59 PM

katiejane on April 5, 2012 at 1:51 PM

In 2008
65,182,692 people voted for Obama.
57,212,032 people voted for McCain.
122,394,724 total number of voters

54% of the population voted. You don’t really think politicians give a hoot about an abstinence “vote”, now do you?

VietVet_Dave on April 5, 2012 at 2:00 PM

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Still raging against the machine?

CorporatePiggy on April 5, 2012 at 2:02 PM

In 2008
65,182,692 people voted for Obama.
57,212,032 people voted for McCain.
122,394,724 total number of voters

54% of the population voted. You don’t really think politicians give a hoot about an abstinence “vote”, now do you?

VietVet_Dave on April 5, 2012 at 2:00 PM

If 46% of the population aren’t even voting, how can any Rombot seriously say that not voting is a vote for Obama? If that is true, then he wins by default whether we all vote for Romzzz or not.

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Who the hell are you to tell any legal and free U.S. citizen what to do?

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 1:59 PM

WOW!!! When did a mere suggested remedy to his problem turn into “tell(ing) any legal and free U.S. citizen what to do”?

Contorting much.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:02 PM

No reading comprehension courses at KneeJerk Academy?

katy the mean old lady on April 5, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Ask the ABRtards here, they are the only ones who would know, but based upon their contortions and distortions I would say, NO!

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:04 PM

1) I am not attacking your for not supporting Romney, I am attacking you for supporting Obama. Can you see the difference?

Apparently you can’t. I do not support either. You tell me I’m supporting Obama. An Obama supporter would tell me I’m supporting Romney. Do you f**king get it yet?

2) I suggested that if you don’t like the way things are here in our country, you could leave. It had nothing to do with the fact that you “don’t want to vote for (Romney)”.

Thanks for the completely unrelated and obvious piece of advice that clearly had nothing to do with your frustration that I’m not going to vote for your crappy candidate.

3) You could come to the correct conclusion, rather than your strawman based one.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 1:55 PM

You could be honest, instead of being a lying Romney cultist. Or…maybe you couldn’t.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Fixed it for you.

You are welcome.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Yes, because I have spent all my time here attacking Romney supporters, and you haven’t spent any attacking people who don’t support Romney. BackwardsLand is awesome!

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:06 PM

If Romney is the nominee, how soon will his campaign dolts look around and realise ” Oh hell, we’re gonna need those rubes to wi after all”. That should be amusing.

katy the mean old lady on April 5, 2012 at 2:06 PM

katy the mean old lady on April 5, 2012 at 2:06 PM

If they haven’t figured out that whiny Rinos alone can’t put Romney over the top, they never will. Even after he loses in November, they’ll be saying, “But all the Rinos and liberal Independents voted for him, how did he lose?”

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:08 PM

I’m not going to vote in moderate candidates just so they can further our problems and just end up making the electorate decide to give the Democrats another chance next term.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 12:49 PM

I don’t understand why the ABO bleaters don’t get this concept.

JannyMae on April 5, 2012 at 1:58 PM

I don’t understand why the ABR bleaters don’t get the concept that,
1) a vote for a third party HELPS Obama.

2) staying home and whining HELPS Obama.

3) a vote for Obama HELPS Obama.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Ask the ABRtards here, they are the only ones who would know, but based upon their contortions and distortions I would say, NO!

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:04 PM

So your comments are just my lying eyes trying to fool me. I’m sure you would never tell a U.S. citizen to lave the country just for diagreeing with you.

katy the mean old lady on April 5, 2012 at 2:09 PM

JannyMae on April 5, 2012 at 1:58 PM

It’s the simple difference between those who treat politics as checkers instead of chess. The former are only interested with getting Obama out, without considering that another failed moderate Republican could end up pushing people to vote for someone who is actually worse than Obama in 2016. The latter are more interested in getting someone who is an actual free-market conservative in the White House, so we can have significant recovery, as well as a demonstration that conservatism is the ultimate solution to this country’s problems. Unfortunately, the American electorate might have to suffer under this chump for a little while longer in order to make that happen. Whatever it takes, we need conservatism in our government. Without it, it doesn’t matter which party wins.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Wow, I just realized, this is a post with Sarah Palin in the title! No wonder why its reached 4 pages. Surprising how little Palin-hate has shown up so far though.

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Palin/West 2012

Give ‘Em Hell

Stu Gotts on April 5, 2012 at 2:10 PM

I don’t understand why the ABR bleaters don’t get the concept that,
1) a vote for a third party HELPS Obama.

2) staying home and whining HELPS Obama.

3) a vote for Obama HELPS Obama.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:09 PM

And Obama supporters believe that

1) a vote for a third party HELPS Romney.

2) staying home and whining HELPS Romney.

3) a vote for Romney HELPS Romney.

Are you just too blind to see this, or do you refuse to wake the hell up?

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Contorting much.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Spinning much? You Mitt adherents are as unsufferable as the Obamaparrots. If I were Mitt, I’d fire you. You are the worst marketeers.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 2:10 PM

I don’t understand why the ABR bleaters don’t get the concept that,
1) a vote for a third party HELPS Obama.

2) staying home and whining HELPS Obama.

3) a vote for Obama HELPS Obama.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:09 PM

4) Nominating a flip-flopping Rino GUARANTEES Obama will win.

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:11 PM

If they haven’t figured out that whiny Rinos alone can’t put Romney over the top, they never will. Even after he loses in November, they’ll be saying, “But all the Rinos and liberal Independents voted for him, how did he lose?”

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:08 PM

RINOs are those who claim to be “Republican” but won’t support the Republican Nominee.

So called “Republican” ABRtards that refuse to vote for the Republican Nominee are the REAL RINOs.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Given all this, you, the GOP establishment, Brit Hume and all the RINO minions have learned absolutely nada from 2008.

Good luck.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 2:12 PM

4) Nominating a flip-flopping Rino GUARANTEES Obama will win.

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Says a real RINO.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:13 PM

I give up. I think Gunlock Bill is just one of those people who is thoroughly unable to either see the other side of an equation, and is so afraid of Obama that they can’t fathom that things could get even worse if the GOP continues to offer up Socialism Lite.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:13 PM

If Romney is the nominee, how soon will his campaign dolts look around and realise ” Oh hell, we’re gonna need those rubes to wi after all”. That should be amusing.

katy the mean old lady on April 5, 2012 at 2:06 PM

You’re assuming that wooing conservatives is more palatable to them than losing to Obama. I wouldn’t bet the farm on that.

Kataklysmic on April 5, 2012 at 2:13 PM

katy the mean old lady on April 5, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Check out the article in the headlines – apparently the Romney team is already trying to figure out how quickly he can distance himself from the GOP – both insiders & Conservatives. Looks like he’s planning on getting elected by the Independents and the ABO people who don’t mind being thrown under the bus.

katiejane on April 5, 2012 at 2:13 PM

RINOs are those who claim to be “Republican” but won’t support the Republican Nominee.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:12 PM

I’m a conservative first, Republican second. Clearly, you aren’t.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:13 PM

RINOs are those who claim to be “Republican” but won’t support the Republican Nominee.

So called “Republican” ABRtards that refuse to vote for the Republican Nominee are the REAL RINOs.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:12 PM

A Rino is a democrat that pretends to be a republican. Like most “republican” politicians from MA.

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:14 PM

If Romney is the nominee, how soon will his campaign dolts look around and realise ” Oh hell, we’re gonna need those rubes to wi after all”. That should be amusing.

katy the mean old lady on April 5, 2012 at 2:06 PM

He’ll need conservatives to win, no doubt.

He will most decidedly not need the rapidly-diminishing ABR contingent, because winning people like that over would alienate independents at a staggering rate.

Every one of the weasels who’s voting Obama out of nothing but spite can be replaced by two independent voters that would have been Obama voters if their gadfly was on the ticket.

KingGold on April 5, 2012 at 2:14 PM

If you don’t like it here, you could always move to another country.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Oh, and this is classic.

If you don’t vote for Romney, get the f**k out of my country.

Awesome. It’s like there’s no such thing as liberals and conservatives anymore, but simply bullies and non-bullies.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Good God….

Look, I’m as much a conservative as anybody, and I have decided to accept and support Romney, the reasons are purely based on the numbers, not because I have any thought Romney is a conservative, he’s not. Speaking just for me,.. and no claim to represent anyone else..

Billy, that was stupidly mindless..

Do you really, REALLY think insulting and foaming at the mouth is going to convince anyone? Winn over a single vote?

MadisonConservative has been pretty reasonable.. he simply asks to be given a reason to vote FOR the man.. and you have to tell him to get out of the country if he didn’t love your mancrush? really?

I searched high and low for a conservative who had a chance, and in the end, the numbers show.. our best options didn’t run, so we have to decide, is a man who agrees 75% of the time with us, better than staying home?

I decided to vote for Romney, because he was a good man, and I have to hope, he’ll at least listen to our concerns..

But Good Lord…

has the rage among Romney supporters who know Romney will get the nomination, is so great.. at any sign of dissent, they simply HAVE to be a tantrum throwing child?

I agree far more with MadisonConservatives views than yours.. I simply choose differently, but isn’t that the point..
He’s asking to be convinced.. and you act like a violent child screaming cause he didn’t get a chocolate poptart this morning.. in return?

this tard thing is more discriptive of your ranting than anything said here this morning I’ve seen from a non Romney supporter.

You need to check your self righteous rage at the door and engage your brain.

You’re just ranting.. not impressing anyone..

I’m sorry guys.. I’m sorry some folks have to act like this.. that anybody can’t handle basics like agree to disagree.

mark81150 on April 5, 2012 at 2:14 PM

And Obama supporters believe that

1) a vote for a third party HELPS Romney.

2) staying home and whining HELPS Romney.

3) a vote for Romney HELPS Romney.

Are you just too blind to see this, or do you refuse to wake the hell up?

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:10 PM

True but irrelevant, unless you are an Obama supporter.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:14 PM

West/Ryan 2012 :)

Connie on April 5, 2012 at 2:15 PM

I love Ryan but I think that, due to the nature of the House with its 2 year terms and 435 representatives, people underestimate the importance of having really visionary strategic fiscal leadership in the House, which is where ALL the spending bills originate.

Back when Peter Schiff ran for Senate, I was wishing he had run for the House. That’s where the action is. Therefore, I like Ryan there. I can envision him building a very strong generational coalition, and I hope he does that before moving on.

Vice President spot on the ticket does not give him that same effective way to make change.

perries on April 5, 2012 at 2:15 PM

I give up. I think Gunlock Bill is just one of those people who is thoroughly unable to either see the other side of an equation, and is so afraid of Obama that they can’t fathom that things could get even worse if the GOP continues to offer up Socialism Lite.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:13 PM

I’m telling you, he’s a computer program designed to stir up arguments. AP installed him during open registration to drive up traffic. Seems like its working. :)

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:15 PM


RINOs are those who claim to be “Republican” but won’t support the Republican Nominee.

The GOP is a ‘big tent’ as Lee Atwater famously said.

I, however, am a conservative. I really don’t care much about the fortunes of the Republican party if the best it can produce is Rmoney.

casuist on April 5, 2012 at 2:17 PM

True but irrelevant, unless you are an Obama supporter.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Entirely irrelevant. You both think a vote for neither means something different. Why? You’re both dead wrong.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Billy, that was stupidly mindless..

Do you really, REALLY think insulting and foaming at the mouth is going to convince anyone? Winn over a single vote?

mark81150 on April 5, 2012 at 2:14 PM

WHOA!! there turbo.

He misrepresented what I ACTUALLY said.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Don’t get so upset. Our votes are irrelevant, remember? You’ve got all those cool moderates , indies and Dems. If thy remember and get off the couch that day. Or don’t have to wash their hair or something. Screue those hicks who vote in every electio, hammer in the yard signs, and man the phones. Who needs ‘em. Mitt’s got plenty of $$. We’ll just hire a bunch of temps.

katy the mean old lady on April 5, 2012 at 2:17 PM

He misrepresented what I ACTUALLY said.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:17 PM

No, I didn’t, and I’m not the only one to notice. You are, right now, acting like you are deranged. You’re also lying. Kind of hard for anyone to give you the benefit of the doubt when you call people who don’t support your candidate “retards”.

And before you claim you never said that(lying once again):

ABRtards.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 12:59 PM

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:19 PM

I give up. I think Gunlock Bill is just one of those people who is thoroughly unable to either see the other side of an equation, and is so afraid of Obama that they can’t fathom that things could get even worse if the GOP continues to offer up Socialism Lite.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:13 PM

The Mitt adherents fear Romney a lot. They just fear Obama more.

“Fear Mitt, but fear Obama more” — Romney 2012

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 2:21 PM

You both think a vote for neither means something different. Why?

Because, an event can and often does mean something totally different to different groups.

DUH!!!

A Lakers win means something different to a Lakers fan than to a Spurs fan. Same event, different meaning to different groups.

You’re both dead wrong.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:17 PM

NOPE!

Both are right.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:21 PM

ABRtards.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Marketing101 – calling people names will bring them to your side.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 2:22 PM

For a military guy, West sometimes is a bit undisciplined–when it comes to politics, that is. Maybe it’s because of his military background that he doesn’t understand “nuance.”

He could have the same problem Romney has with putting people off, just for different reasons.

And if the thought is that he will take black votes away from Obama, that isn’t going to happen.

He’d be a good choice, but there are better ones.

Meredith on April 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM

NOPE!

Both are right.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:21 PM

So you’re actually in more agreement with Obama supporters than I am.

Congrats.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM

I’m a conservative first, Republican second. Clearly, you aren’t.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:13 PM

What the hell is wrong with you? Move to Canada or New Zeeland, pronto…wait, they are socialists there, more so in New Zeeland.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM

katy the mean old lady on April 5, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Gonna be a long hot summer…

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 2:26 PM

katy the mean old lady on April 5, 2012 at 2:17 PM

It’s more ‘fun’ to spar with liberal4life, because with that kind one expects no more.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Marketing101 – calling people names will bring them to your side.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 2:22 PM

It’s a rehash of the Cartman “You can’t come!” marketing strategy, only much less effective.

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:28 PM

It’s more ‘fun’ to spar with liberal4life, because with that kind one expects no more.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Yeah, but it’s like kicking a cripple.

katy the mean old lady on April 5, 2012 at 2:29 PM

What the hell is wrong with you? Move to Canada or New Zeeland, pronto…wait, they are socialists there, more so in New Zeeland.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM

I’ll tell you what the hell is wrong with me. What’s wrong is that I consider Romney a socialist, so I won’t vote for him. Anyone can see that such a position means I actually LOVE socialism, and so am voting for Obama, even though I have said I won’t. Because Anybody But Obama, and if you aren’t, you’re an enemy.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Ok, for the reading comprehension IMPAIRED.

How does this,

When the most conservative candidate is a person who spent a decade convincing people that they weren’t conservative, then the system is f**king broken.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 1:20 PM

That may be, BUT!!!!

it is STILL the best system in the world.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 1:23 PM

When you’re asked to choose between a baseball bat to the face and a baseball bat to the groin, do you never stop and wonder how you came to have to make such a decision, and whether it’s better not to make that choice?

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 1:24 PM

If you don’t like it here, you could always move to another country.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 1:30 PM

equal this,

If you don’t vote for Romney, get the f**k out of my country.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:31 PM

I liked Romney’s last speech, the end part especially.. He asked us to join him, asked for our help in reclaiming America. His tone and manner to me, said he was sincere.

If he isn’t, someone on his staff is reading the comments here.

He knows those comments by his staff which essentially said he didn’t need we conservatives was a stupid mistake. I believe he’s learned from that, and is trying to reach out to us.

a good thing..

Everyone has their own opinion about it, but I believe he means it.

We’re a lot stronger than they are, the Obama base, and they know it. I hope we can all come together in the end, and make the necessary choices. One thing I have to say,.. if your conscience truly leads you elsewhere,.. I hope you change your mind, but I can’t condemn you for acting on principle. Maybe things will change before November.. there’s still time to reconsider, for events to change things on the ground..

anyway.. I hope we can all join together in the end.. and no matter what,.. I can respect an act of conscience.

mark81150 on April 5, 2012 at 2:32 PM

So you’re actually in more agreement with Obama supporters than I am.

Congrats.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM

And yet is it YOU that are going to give them support.

And I am not.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Yeah, but it’s like kicking a (mental) cripple.

katy the mean old lady on April 5, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 2:34 PM

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:29 PM

You socialist :)

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:31 PM

You’re right…I’ll clarify:

Gunlock Bill: If you don’t want to vote for either Romney or Obama, get the f**k out of my country.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:35 PM

You can always write in Palin, like I am. Can I ask which state you are voting in, I’m trying to work out the Electoral map right now.

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Colorado

ToneChristcon on April 5, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:31 PM

You’re more impaired than him but you can’t see it, not yet. Take a break and reflect. You won’t win him over with your tactics.

p.s. note that I never call the Mitt adherents names; you’ll need the ones from your side to win; you can’t rely entirely on the middle and the so-called indies.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 2:38 PM

And yet is it YOU that are going to give them support.

And I am not.

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:33 PM

I’m giving neither of you my support. Neither you or Romney are entitled to it. Big shocker that you’re all about entitlement. I’m sure your candidate is, as well.

Meanwhile, you and your average Obama supporter/union representative are indistinguishable. Hope you’re proud, thug.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:31 PM

That man is bein mean to you. Mean,mean,mean. Get Mommy to kiss it and make it better. Then come back an whine and insult for another 3 pages. Go ahead. You deserve a little break.

katy the mean old lady on April 5, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Hmm – I guess Romneybots will be taking over the most annoying title from the Palin supporters. Constsnt whining when people attack their choice earns a bad rep I believe. I recall we spend serious time being trashed, called stupid losers supporting a crappy candidate. Let’s see if the Romneybots deal any better with the constant scorn. Seems like some of them have already ratcheted up their hostility – I’m oncered how the’ll cope thru the summer.

katiejane on April 5, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Colorado

ToneChristcon on April 5, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Ah, a swing stater. Do you think Romney will pick up Colorado in November?

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:41 PM

I’m telling you, he’s a computer program designed to stir up arguments. AP installed him during open registration to drive up traffic. Seems like its working. :)

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:15 PM

..I have been writing software for a living and Gunlock is pretty adroit. (And I DO know you’re being sarcastic.)

“..Dave, I really think I’m entitled to an answer to that question..”

The War Planner on April 5, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Gunlock Bill, hang out with mark81150 on April 5, 2012 at 2:32 PM

He’s not right on Mitt’s advisers. Just yesterday was this

“Tonight on CNN, Robert Ehrlich, Mitt Romney’s Maryland campaign chair, suggested that voters — particularly women — would not be exposed to Romney’s ‘real views’ until the general election. Ehrlich said that once women ‘see’ Romney’s ‘real views,’ the gender gap between him and President Obama would dissipate.”

So, I don’t trust Mitt…time will tell.

However, mark81150 knows marketing better than Bill does.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 2:44 PM

For a military guy, West sometimes is a bit undisciplined–when it comes to politics, that is. Maybe it’s because of his military background that he doesn’t understand “nuance.”

He could have the same problem Romney has with putting people off, just for different reasons.

And if the thought is that he will take black votes away from Obama, that isn’t going to happen.

He’d be a good choice, but there are better ones.

Meredith on April 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM

I see your point, but let me ‘vent’ about the MSM placing so much value on ‘nuance’. I like condidates that come out and say what they think. It’s refreshing. Nuance is just a way for ALL candidates to lie without coming right out and lying (or at least to avoid taking a stand).

Many of us understand ‘nuance’ just fine, but don’t see it as effective OR desirable.

If a candidate has something to say, he/she should come right out and say it, not take the long way around the barn.

I don’t see ‘nuanced’ as disciplined. It takes discipline to say what you mean and take responsibility for your statements.

Don’t fall for the MSMs love of nuance, they’re just defending condidates (on both sides) who won’t take a stand.

The Honey Badger on April 5, 2012 at 2:45 PM

p.s. note that I never call the Mitt adherents names; you’ll need the ones from your side to win; you can’t rely entirely on the middle and the so-called indies.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 2:38 PM

I agree,.. I have sworn off using names like bott or tard,.. anything that just p*sses people off.

It’s just lashing out and doesn’t allow people to hear you. They close up and go defensive,.. then you can be certain, they just tune you out. I may not be the right guy to make this argument, others are better suited.. but the point still holds..

we’re all talking, but only a few are listening.. well reading.

There’s little the conservatives who won’t currently vote for Romney say that I disagree with,.. I differ on the best way to enfluence the party, but we don’t need to wage our own little civil war..

That doesn’t serve any of our interests.

mark81150 on April 5, 2012 at 2:47 PM

I understand both basic viewpoints. I don’t agree with MadCon, but I respect his/her (? sorry) PRICIPLED decision. I find MadCon’s contributions to be thoughtful, even when I don’t agree with them.

I get frustrated too, and I throw around -tard more than I should, but I don’t think it’s constructive. I don’t convince anybody that way.

And I only suggest the Liberals should leave the country. But they like all the other countries better anyway.

The Honey Badger on April 5, 2012 at 2:54 PM

I’ll repeat what I said yesterday:

So goddamned sick of this. No. Let me spell it out for you.

A vote for Romney is a vote for Romney.
A vote for Obama is a vote for Obama.

A vote for neither is:

A vote for Romney, if you’re an Obama supporter.
A vote for Obama, if you’re a Romney supporter.

In other words, it’s neither. So shut up with this stupid bullying union thug-style bulls**t. You all should be ashamed of yourselves for parroting this political intimidation tactic.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 11:52 AM

I think that the fewer votes the Republican candidate gets the less likely he will be elected.

Does that make me a union thug-style bully? I don’t know.

Gelsomina on April 5, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Does that make me a union thug-style bully? I don’t know.

Gelsomina on April 5, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Only if you believe the Republican Party is entitled to my vote, regardless of whether or not I support their candidate.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Gunlock Bill on April 5, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Anyone else notice that these two showed up at the same time after the last open registration…

… and that where there is one, there is always the other?

They never post alone on other threads…

… and they always end up in an arguement with each other.

Hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…

Seven Percent Solution on April 5, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Ah, a swing stater. Do you think Romney will pick up Colorado in November?

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Not a chance.

I am in Colorado too, and will also abstain from casting a vote in the presidential election if Romney is the nominee.

I will however vote for CONSERVATIVE candidates downticket.

Norwegian on April 5, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Anyone else notice that these two showed up at the same time after the last open registration…

… and that where there is one, there is always the other?

They never post alone on other threads…

… and they always end up in an arguement with each other.

Hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…

Seven Percent Solution on April 5, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Yeah, it is suspicious…

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Ouch…

I didn’t know about this one..

“Tonight on CNN, Robert Ehrlich, Mitt Romney’s Maryland campaign chair, suggested that voters — particularly women — would not be exposed to Romney’s ‘real views’ until the general election. Ehrlich said that once women ‘see’ Romney’s ‘real views,’ the gender gap between him and President Obama would dissipate.”

So, I don’t trust Mitt…time will tell.

However, mark81150 knows marketing better than Bill does.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 2:44 PM

31 years in dealing with the public.. and while I didn’t know about the qoute.. I find it troubling, not as bad as if Romney himself had said it, but troubling..

Playing both sides?.. the mods against conservatives?… or just playing us?.. either way, gotta start paying more attention.

mark81150 on April 5, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Seven Percent Solution on April 5, 2012 at 2:58 PM

So long as they don’t play Russian roulette

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Norwegian on April 5, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Is it just a gut reaction or based on something more tangible? Here in MO, I live in a fairly red county, and I’ve yet to meet anyone who supports Romney. Lots of folks have been pretty vocal about being dissatisfied with the entire field this year, and there seems to be much less enthusiasm than there was in 2010 or during are anti-Obamacare vote. I don’t really see Romney holding MO, given how close ’08 was, and Obama will be heavily campaigning here.

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Playing both sides?.. the mods against conservatives?… or just playing us?.. either way, gotta start paying more attention.

mark81150 on April 5, 2012 at 3:03 PM

AP has it on last night’s QorD, on video too, following that exerpt.

p.s. your experience with the public shows.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Thanks.. I enjoyed my work, wish I could still do it, but part of the job was handling lots of stock, and my days of heavy lifting are done forever..

I really miss working.,.. sounds silly to some folks, but I do.

mark81150 on April 5, 2012 at 3:13 PM

mark81150 on April 5, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Good points in your comment here, but as to your later one about Romney’s tone and manner sounding sincere….well, Romney has run as a conservative by having people such as NRO and Rubio vouch that he’s one rather than having an actual conservative record of action and deeds to run on.

I’ve heard the Romney supporters continual cry that he did what he could in a blue state or that he faced the same thing Reagan did. When you examine what he’s done and said, then his record comes down to a politician who vacillated back and forth, and carefully threaded the needle to try to say only enough to give the appearance of being a conservative.

Case in point on illegal aliens: he endorsed McCain’s amnesty, but then towards the end of his governorship he made a directive to the MA state troopers to enforce fed immigration laws. However, this was never implemented. It was too late in his governorship to make a difference, and the next one didn’t have it done. What this directive did for Romney was to give him cover to spin himself as conservative on immigration.

He did this on other issues. Take Robert Ehrlich’s statement last night. Romney has oh so carefully tried to play both the pro-abortion and pro-life sides. I’ve read his Values page and the RNC 2008 Platform. The RNC Platform uses very, very specific pro-life language. It’s not feel good. Romney’s statement is not as specific and has much more feel good and let’s do what we can. This is typical.

INC on April 5, 2012 at 3:15 PM

mark81150 on April 5, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Amen, Brother.

I’m one of those Conservatives, and I live in the NorthEast, and I was not and still not an active Romney supporter:

HOWEVER, I do see where a 2nd term of Obama is not going to make any sense or any of us happy.

We can all admit it: Romney is not a to the bone Conservative, I get that, and if i had my druthers or if my wishes were heard, he wouldn’t be the candidate I would go for…

But you fight with what you have available: Like it or not, Obama *is* the worse of the two…

Staying home isn’t a option…3rd Party voting, well how has that panned out for the Conservatives right now?

If those choose to do either (not vote or 3rd party) yes you are free to do so…but to me this race is more about who wins per se, its if we can reverse the last 4 years and umpteen Trillion dollars of debt we got gobsmacked with by Obama and Co.

BlaxPac on April 5, 2012 at 3:16 PM

I completely understand and I don’t blame a single conservative for voting for Romney. However, I held my nose in 2008, and it’s the last time I shall do so. I’m not going to vote in moderate candidates just so they can further our problems and just end up making the electorate decide to give the Democrats another chance next term.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 12:49 PM

I thought you said that you wouldn’t vote for Romney in the general.

Then you would have a point if McCain had won and furthered our problems. But you don’t know how his presidency would have turned out, with Sarah Palin as VP.

Gelsomina on April 5, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Nobody is staying home. They will vote down ticket. Just not for Romney.

Goals of 2012:

Take back the Senate.

Keep the House.

Keep Obama locked up in the White House like the lame duck he will be.

portlandon on April 5, 2012 at 3:21 PM

I’ll say it over and over and over again. Do not put a white male on the ticket as Veep. Seriously, do not.

sdbatboy on April 5, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Is it just a gut reaction or based on something more tangible? Here in MO, I live in a fairly red county, and I’ve yet to meet anyone who supports Romney. Lots of folks have been pretty vocal about being dissatisfied with the entire field this year, and there seems to be much less enthusiasm than there was in 2010 or during are anti-Obamacare vote. I don’t really see Romney holding MO, given how close ’08 was, and Obama will be heavily campaigning here.

Buckshot Bill on April 5, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Talking to friends & neighbors. Romney did just pathetically bad here in the caucus here despite outspending Santorum 25-1. Another indication of his weakness in this state.

Also, statewide polling Romney-Obama has shown Obama in the lead consistently, widening his lead in recent months. There is no way Romney wins Colorado. No enthusiasm, too many conservatives staying home.

Norwegian on April 5, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Keep Obama locked up in the White House like the lame duck he will be.

portlandon on April 5, 2012 at 3:21 PM

..nice try, old son. How do we prevent this non-cooperative S.O.B. from stacking the SCOTUS with lib justices? How do we even have a chance at repealing ObamaCare once the benefits begin trickling down and it becomes ANOTHER entitlement?

Spare me the rhetoric about “Romney would only..”. This clown is ten times ten times worse than Romney would ever be and our country will be toe-tagged-and-bagged in another four years of trillion-dollar deficits. So, no thanks on waiting for your conservative Nirvana in 2016. Besides, their side will be only stronger once they know they can vote themselves more benefits by going for another Dem.

We need to have this battle here and now and Obama and his lobster-sucking, stevedore-armed WIDE LOAD FLOTUS needs to get thrown out of our house in January 2013. Not a minute later.

The War Planner on April 5, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Keep Obama locked up in the White House like the lame duck he will be.

portlandon on April 5, 2012 at 3:21 PM

..also, did you snooze through the video of the Obama “I need more space” conference with Medvedev?

The War Planner on April 5, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Nobody is staying home. They will vote down ticket. Just not for Romney.

Goals of 2012:

Take back the Senate.

Keep the House.

Keep Obama locked up in the White House like the lame duck he will be.

portlandon on April 5, 2012 at 3:21 PM

The words of an ENEMY OF THE ROMNEY REPUBLIC!

I MEAN REPUBLIC.

NEVER MIND. STOP LOOKING AT ME. VOTE FOR ROMNEY, D*CKHEAD.

MadisonConservative on April 5, 2012 at 3:31 PM

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