Audio: Saints’ defensive coordinator apparently targets 49ers for injuries in pre-game speech

posted at 7:00 pm on April 5, 2012 by Allahpundit

We haven’t covered the bounty scandal but you know all about it if you’re a football fan. Gregg Williams was already suspended indefinitely for his part; now that this edit from the US of F website is circulating, he’s probably done, and deservedly so. The unanswered question: Why would he talk about targeting Kyle Williams’s concussions and Michael Crabtree’s ACL and wanting Frank Gore’s head “sideways” if he knew there was a filmmaker in the room recording? Or did he not know? I read the story at Yahoo Sports in which documentarian Sean Pamphilon talks about recording this; he doesn’t explicitly say that Williams knew who he was and what he was doing there but it sure sounds like he did. (“Pamphilon … had access to various team functions for much of the 2011 season.”) Did Williams not think he’d be sanctioned by the NFL if this came out — and if not, why not? How common is talk like this?

Via Business Insider, here’s what former Cowboy Darren Woodson told ESPN:

[This] falls into what happens on a Saturday night heading into a Sunday game. A lot of it was just ‘let’s be violent, let’s play hard.’ I’ve heard ‘take the head and the body will fall,’ I’ve heard that a million times, even at the high school level. I think where he gets specific. Where he starts to name names, as far as Michael Crabtree and going after the ACL. Taking Vernon Davis and going after the ankles. And Kyle Williams and going after the head concussion. I think that’s when specifically, that’s when it goes overboard…But for the most part, what you heard in that speech, the violence that takes place on a Saturday with the speeches that are given, as far as what we call the ‘rah-rah speech,’ that happens. That is the norm on a Saturday night heading into a Sunday game.

Packers guard Josh Sitton says Williams’s talk was highly unusual — sort of:

Green Bay Packers guard Josh Sitton listened to the audio and tweeted: “Gregg Williams sounds like a complete [expletive]. Glad he got suspended!”

When asked by a follower if Packers coaches talk to players that way, Sitton replied: “hell no.”…

“I want to be clear. Our sport is violent and you are supposed to hurt one another, but this guy took it over the top. trying to take someone out of a game or end a career is a chicken [expletive] move! we work our entire lives to make it to the NFL. And some guy wants to pay players to hurt people. NOT cool! next thing you know some [expletive] will be waiting for me by my car with a crowbar! That’s some Tonya Harding [expletive]!”

For what it’s worth, Woodson is retired whereas Sitton is active so one has more of an incentive than the other to treat Williams as an extreme outlier. There’s no question, though, that other teams target injured players for especially hard hits: After the NFC Championship Game, two Giants freely admitted that they had gone after Kyle Williams because he’s had multiple concussions in the past. Said Devin Thomas, “We were just like, ‘We gotta put a hit on that guy.’ … [Giants reserve safety Tyler] Sash did a great job hitting him early and he looked kind of dazed when he got up.” Williams ended up fumbling twice, including on the punt return that set up the Giants’ winning field goal. It’s awful, and “bounties” may well be unique to the Saints, but evidently victory-by-injury goes on beyond the Saints’ locker room. Like the man said, “Our sport is violent and you are supposed to hurt one another…”

Which brings me back to my point about Gregg Williams. Why would he be this specific, especially with a documentarian sitting right there? There are a million wink-wink ways to communicate to your squad that you want certain guys on the other side smacked hard. I’d be surprised, in fact, if the players need to be explicitly told. They know who’s hurt and they know how to take advantage. The Saints forced the league’s hand by adding money as an extra incentive but does anyone think the Giants wouldn’t have tried to rip Kyle Williams’s head off for a trip to the Super Bowl if they could do it over again? Does anyone think Tom Coughlin would need to verbally instruct them to do so?

Incidentally, the line on this from the Saints’ legal department is that Gregg Williams was a “rogue coach.” Right.


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Will JugEars interject himself in this too?

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2012 at 7:05 PM

DOJ to investigate?
Eric Holder is aware?

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2012 at 7:06 PM

“I want to be clear”…I’ve heard someone with big ears always say that!

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Bet you the guy’s a Democrat!

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2012 at 7:09 PM

He must be a Mormon
lobotomy4life

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2012 at 7:09 PM

These were all signed by Bishop….ok?

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Williams instructed his players to deliberately injure the 49ers ball carriers until the Saints players left the pile. In other words, after the tackle.

“Every single one of you before you get off the pile, affect the head [of Frank Gore].”

“We need to decide how many times we can bull rush and we can #$*@ clip Vernon Davis’ ankles over the pile.”

aunursa on April 5, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Some troll better stop me…you guys are just watching aren’t you…till Bishop or Electrongod slap me in the back of the head!

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Obama should get on this right after the Augusta crisis.

Chuck Schick on April 5, 2012 at 7:13 PM

aunursa on April 5, 2012 at 7:11 PM

…oh thank you!

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2012 at 7:13 PM

“Every single one of you before you get off the pile, affect the head [of Frank Gore Alex Smith].”

aunursa on April 5, 2012 at 7:11 PM

aunursa on April 5, 2012 at 7:14 PM

The full quote on Alex Smith: “Every single one of you, before you get off the pile, affect the head. Early, affect the head. Continue, touch and hit the head.”

On Kyle Williams: “We need to find out in the first two series of the game, that little wide receiver, No. 10, about his concussion. We need to #$*@ put a lick on him right now. He needs to decide. He needs to #$*@ decide.”

On Crabtree: “We need to decide whether Crabtree wants to be a fake-ass prima donna, or he wants to be a tough guy. We need to find out. He becomes human when we #$*@ take out that outside ACL.”

aunursa on April 5, 2012 at 7:16 PM

I’ve played football…

… but not in the NFL where the stakes are in the billions.

The pressure was on in High School to go out and kick the living crap out of the other team…

… I can only imagine what it would like in a play-off game in the NFL, between the owners, TV contracts, the bookies, the advertisers, and the promoters.

If you were the one having to pay the bills…

… damn straight if you walked into your locker room, that is exactly how you would want your defensive coach to be talking to your players.

Because you know the coaches on the other team are doing the exact same thing…

… Just sayin’.

Seven Percent Solution on April 5, 2012 at 7:19 PM

This makes it imperative that we pass federal defensive coordinator control legislation.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on April 5, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Wait, why are all the commentary referencing Obama again…..? heh Derangement!

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 5, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Whatever his other failures were, Brett Favre was my favorite non-Bear player. We were supposed to hate him and want him injured and all that bullsh!t, but a lot of Bear fans really admired his sportsmanship. If they tackled him hard, he would smile and slap a helmet, talk some trash. You know he wasn’t egging his defense on to take cheap shots and injure players…he wanted to beat you with your best team on the field, playing hard.

That’s how games are supposed to be played. This other crap is from the ghetto.

Jaibones on April 5, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Wait, why are all the commentary referencing Obama again…..? heh Derangement!

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 5, 2012 at 7:21 PM

As did you. Plus it’s in your user name, which is misspelled of course.

Chuck Schick on April 5, 2012 at 7:23 PM

This is really bad.

I can completely agree with the NFL Commissioner’s decision to crack down hard on the Saints.

And just think, this tape is the only one we have proof of.

To want to “Test the guys concussion” is indefensible.

portlandon on April 5, 2012 at 7:26 PM

I find it hard to believe this isn’t what is said before every game. If they were really doing it, they would be getting fined all over the place. It’s hyperbole and nothing more: Go out and play hard. Get inside the other guy’s head.

If this goes away, so will football. There is not flag football league on tv for a reason.

aniptofar on April 5, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Wait, why are all the commentary referencing Obama again…..? heh Derangement!

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 5, 2012 at 7:21 PM

So exactly one mention of Obama equals all comments? Paranoid much? Looks like the derangement is all with you.

The Notorious G.O.P on April 5, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Wait, why are all the commentary referencing Obama again…..? heh Derangement!

0bamaderangementsyndrom[sic] on April 5, 2012 at 7:21 PM

I know, right? It’s almost like these commenters have politics on their mind when they visit hot-air. As if this were some kind of political blog or something.

RINO in Name Only on April 5, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Rule #1: Keep your head on a swivel.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 5, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Wait, why are all the commentary referencing Obama again…..? heh Derangement!

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 5, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Omaybebecauseit’sapoliticalblogdumbazz!

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Wait, why are all the commentary referencing Obama again…..? heh Derangement!

0bamaderangementsyndrom[sic] on April 5, 2012 at 7:21 PM

I know, right? It’s almost like these commenters have politics on their mind when they visit hot-air. As if this were some kind of political blog or something.

RINO in Name Only on April 5, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Okay wise guy.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 5, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Better than the “Inch By Inch” speech.

Verloc on April 5, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Rule #1: Keep your head on a swivel.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 5, 2012 at 7:30 PM

…says yhe king bobblehead!

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2012 at 7:35 PM

just think, if we applied this sort of aggressive thinking in war we may actually not get our soldiers killed over PC crap.

I’m not a sports follower so don’t know, were any specific rules broken here?

dmacleo on April 5, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Sounds like Barack when he was telling his minions to get our faces.

SouthernGent on April 5, 2012 at 7:37 PM

This makes it imperative that we pass federal defensive coordinator control legislation.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on April 5, 2012 at 7:19 PM

It wouldn’t surprise me.

But meh…this is much ado about nothing. It’s football, not cricket.

JetBoy on April 5, 2012 at 7:43 PM

I worked on an NFL sideline for about 10 years and heard a well known head coach yelling at his defense to knock the opposing QB out of the game when they were already comfortably in the lead with little time left. The a couple of weeks later saw him on TV denying he coaches dirty after some questionable hits from his players.

AndrewsDad on April 5, 2012 at 7:43 PM

I’m not a sports follower so don’t know, were any specific rules broken here?

dmacleo on April 5, 2012 at 7:35 PM

The NFL constitution forbids bonuses based upon performances against a specific team or player.

The NFL was investigating New Orleans for operating a bounty system during their 2009 Super Bowl season. Over the next two years the Saints management falsely told the NFL that the bounty system had been eliminated, all the while continuing to pay players to target specific opponents and while covering it up from NFL investigators.

aunursa on April 5, 2012 at 7:45 PM

This is the biggest loser of a story I have seen in years. It’s FOOTBALL PEOPLE!!!!

Go back to the 50′s, 60′s, 70′s…and all this talk is tame. This is the continued wussification of America. PCC – Politically Correct Crap.

BierManVA on April 5, 2012 at 7:47 PM

I worked on an NFL sideline for about 10 years and heard a well known head coach yelling at his defense to knock the opposing QB out of the game when they were already comfortably in the lead with little time left. The a couple of weeks later saw him on TV denying he coaches dirty after some questionable hits from his players.

AndrewsDad on April 5, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Sounds like something Bellichik would do :P

JetBoy on April 5, 2012 at 7:54 PM

In 2011 the NFL notified the Saints owner, Tom Benson, that they had credible evidence of the bounty system. Benson ordered head coach Sean Payton and general manager Mickey Loomis to shut down the program. Payton and Loomis ignored the order and instructed assistant coaches to do a cover up.

aunursa on April 5, 2012 at 7:54 PM

The irony was it was the 49ers that put the big hurt on the “Aints”.

Rovin on April 5, 2012 at 7:58 PM

didn’t know that about the bounty history of nfl rules, thanks.

dmacleo on April 5, 2012 at 8:03 PM

This is the biggest loser of a story I have seen in years. It’s FOOTBALL PEOPLE!!!!

Go back to the 50′s, 60′s, 70′s…and all this talk is tame. This is the continued wussification of America. PCC – Politically Correct Crap.

BierManVA on April 5, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Most people do not watch football for the “fun” of seeing people permanently injured, and I’m pretty sure most people didn’t in the 50′s 60′s and 70′s. If it happens, it happens – like you said, it’s football. But if your goal is to win by disabling the other team rather than outplaying them, then you aren’t playing football anymore.

If you want to watch people trying to knock each other out, try boxing.

If you want to see people try to permanently injure or maim others, there is always real-life war. Or ice hockey.

Okay wise guy.

0bamaderangementsyndrom[sic] on April 5, 2012 at 7:32 PM

You’re welcome. And yes, you may have another.

RINO in Name Only on April 5, 2012 at 8:07 PM

KOOLAID2
Wow 6 in a row, I usually get tired after 3, you gonna be ok?
Nice job, on topic two, sweet…………

angrymike on April 5, 2012 at 8:24 PM

You can’t get away with what Williams said, especially now that the NFL is facing legal action from many ex-players over the collective effect of multiple injuries. The Giants=49ers situation is dicier for the NFL, since the officials already are supposed to be on the lookout for blows to the head or helmet-to-helmet tackles, and while the words were said, so far no one has found any illegal hit on the OT fumble.

Can you get in trouble for saying you targeted someone with a history, if the video replays show no flagrant or even an attempted-but-missed shots to the head? While the league may be asked Giants D-coordinator Perry Fewell a few more questions about his motivational speeches, with the lawsuit looming, the NFL may decide that any inference of efforts to knock a player out of the game can’t be tolerate and will be going around to the league’s teams advising them of the new speech codes on what can and can’t be said to fire up a defense (which is really all they can do without putting playing restrictions or even bans on playing for those with past concussions. That’s because if you gave a player with a history of concussions protected status’ because of those injuries, why would a coach send anyone else back to catch a punt of make a key third down reception if the defense faced a higher risk of a personal foul flag for hitting a player with Kyle Williams’ medical history).

jon1979 on April 5, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Jetboy
spot on buddy, I wish Rex would do this…….;-)

angrymike on April 5, 2012 at 8:28 PM

But if your goal is to win by disabling the other team rather than outplaying them, then you aren’t playing football anymore.

RINO in Name Only on April 5, 2012 at 8:07 PM

That has ALWAYS been football. That’s the point. You obviously have never spent a minute in a locker room.

BierManVA on April 5, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Punish them!….move the team to LA :)

thebrokenrattle on April 5, 2012 at 9:12 PM

That has ALWAYS been football. That’s the point. You obviously have never spent a minute in a locker room.

BierManVA on April 5, 2012 at 8:56 PM

It has never been football. It’s always been in football, but that is not what people watch the game for, and that’s not what a lot of people play the game for.

Believe it or not, despite what you see on tv, and despite whatever you say in your locker room, most people are not sociopaths.

RINO in Name Only on April 5, 2012 at 9:12 PM

It has never been football. It’s always been in football, but that is not what people watch the game for, and that’s not what a lot of people play the game for.

Always is the key word — when I was in second grade our teacher went around the room asking each of us to give a verb and receiving the usual kind of answers, until she reached the little boy whose brother was a Big Name on the HS football team. He jumped up and yelled at the top of his lungs, “Kill! Kill! Kill!”

AesopFan on April 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM

A multi-year ban from the NFL seems in order.

Sacramento on April 5, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Whatever his other failures were, Brett Favre was my favorite non-Bear player. We were supposed to hate him and want him injured and all that bullsh!t, but a lot of Bear fans really admired his sportsmanship. If they tackled him hard, he would smile and slap a helmet, talk some trash. You know he wasn’t egging his defense on to take cheap shots and injure players…he wanted to beat you with your best team on the field, playing hard.

That’s how games are supposed to be played. This other crap is from the ghetto.

Jaibones on April 5, 2012 at 7:23 PM

The first time I heard about the Saints bounty program the first thing I thought of was the NFC Champ game where they gave countless cheap and late hits all game to Favre. I remember one play where Favre threw an INT because a Saints thug took out Favre’s knees from behind!

Amazingly no penalty was called and the INT stood! All year long you couldn’t breath on QB’s and suddendly it was anything goes against Favre. I’ve always like the guy and he was hobbling out that on one leg.

Let me be clear, I think the NFL has become too wussified in not allowing guys to breathe on the QB (except for the above mentioned game) but this bounty BS is over the top and has no place in football. Williams should be gone for life.

LevinFan on April 5, 2012 at 9:57 PM

This is the biggest loser of a story I have seen in years. It’s FOOTBALL PEOPLE!!!!

Go back to the 50′s, 60′s, 70′s…and all this talk is tame. This is the continued wussification of America. PCC – Politically Correct Crap.

BierManVA on April 5, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Again, I think the league has gone too far in not allowing to defenders to even breath on QB’s. YOu can’t stop yourself in mid-air at times to prevent yourself from hitting the QB.

However there’s a difference between playing hard and trying to end someone’s career with some cheap a$$ hit.

How would you feel if one of Williams thugs ended the career of your favorite player??

LevinFan on April 5, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Ah, damn :-(

Who Dat.

cane_loader on April 5, 2012 at 10:19 PM

I would like to see Drew Brees appointed player-coach for this season.

If Pete Rose could do it, so can Drew.

If the NFL suspends a bunch of our players, I think we should forfeit the season and refuse to play.

Flat out, have the whole team walk out, and let the Comissioner redo the whole NFL schedule.

Punishment is one thing, but persecution’s another. We don’t need this… we’ve had enough grief down here. And a lot of teams hit other players just as hard and not one thing has been done to any of them.

cane_loader on April 5, 2012 at 10:22 PM

We have already lost lost our head coach for a whole season.

At some point, enough is enough, and we are under no obligation to put on a farce in the Superdome.

What I’m saying is that there has to be some balance between the allegations, and the NFL fans, and the fact that other teams made as many hard hits (last season I saw more bone-crushing hits on receivers than any NFL season ever), and the fact that no other head coach has ever been suspended for a season.

I say again – the NFL has taken their bite – the point is taken now by the whole league – but if Goodell doesn’t want to make a farce of the whole 2012-13 season, he’d better back off trying to eat the whole enchilada by suspending all our players, too.

Otherwise, I swear, the Saints should go on effin’ strike, and refuse to play at all.

Goodell is walking a tightrope.

cane_loader on April 5, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Punish them!….move the team to LA :)

thebrokenrattle on April 5, 2012 at 9:12 PM

L.A. can’t handle country boys.

I was just there.

I know this.

cane_loader on April 5, 2012 at 10:30 PM

lol, I just remembered a popular recess game at my elementary school:

“Kill the Man with the Ball.”

The goal was to kick a big pink ball over the opponent’s goal line.

Until he got there, you could do anything to him to prevent him from scoring. We’re talking turn his head around backward while someone stole his lunch money.

Anyone else remember this game? (we’re talking the ’70s).

The recess ladies weren’t too happy with it, but let it go on as long as there weren’t too many bloody noses per week.

Guess we were all primitives….

;-/

cane_loader on April 5, 2012 at 10:36 PM

I’m…. not…..kidding.

Circa 1976, half the darn school ran up and down the field every day, bumping and tripping and tackling and wrestling, playing “Kill the Man with the Ball,” and walking into class with bloody noses.

America was still great.

cane_loader on April 5, 2012 at 10:38 PM

The NFL has always been a violent sport.

If the Commissioner thinks we’ve reached a boundary, and wants to dial it back, fine.

Message received – hopefully by the Detroit Lions, too.

But don’t take out a whole team and disrupt everyone’s season to prove your point that you’ve already made, Goodell.

We have enough disruption and heartache going on, with the A$$HOLE in the White House. Let’s not have a wasted football season, as well.

Just sayin’.

cane_loader on April 5, 2012 at 10:48 PM

I would like to see Drew Brees appointed player-coach for this season.

If Pete Rose could do it, so can Drew.

If the NFL suspends a bunch of our players, I think we should forfeit the season and refuse to play.

Flat out, have the whole team walk out, and let the Comissioner redo the whole NFL schedule.

Punishment is one thing, but persecution’s another. We don’t need this… we’ve had enough grief down here. And a lot of teams hit other players just as hard and not one thing has been done to any of them.

cane_loader on April 5, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Cry me a river.

The Saints were warned to stop the bounty program and kept doing it anyways. They deserved what they got and then some.

The Patriots got punished too for videotaping other teams practices and the tired old “other teams do it too” excuse didn’t work then just like it won’t work now.

Saints are a dirty team and classless. They won’t even give a long term deal to Brees, instead they franchised him and he was livid! Class all around!!

LevinFan on April 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

All Talk. How many cameras are at an NFL Playoff game?? Where is the video from the actual GAME?

Saints are getting screwed. Another example of East Coast prejudice against the South.

rock the casbah on April 5, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Aints won a superbowl b/c of their cheap BS.

Look at all the cheap, late hits on Favre they got away with in the NFC Champ game.

Favre threw a pick b/c he got clipped in the knees in behind by one of the Aints thugs, no call, INT stands!

Countless BS like that throughout the game. Aints are a dirty team and they deserved what they got!

LevinFan on April 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Punish them!….move the team to LA :)

thebrokenrattle on April 5, 2012 at 9:12 PM

No, that woul be punishing the City of New Orleans itself, not to mention the fans of the team, for something they had no part of.

Del Dolemonte on April 5, 2012 at 11:45 PM

LevinFan on April 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Your horns are a little crooked. Time to readjust them.

http://www.amazon.com/They-Call-Assassin-Jack-Tatum/dp/0380524805

Del Dolemonte on April 5, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Without a doubt each NFL team pushes these ideas. The Saints were dumb enough to get caught. Why? Because they know every team does it and they figured no one really cared. That’s why they didn’t think anything of letting that guy record this stuff.

I wouldn’t say this invalidates their Super Bowl run, because I think the same could be said of the Giants Super Bowl run, or any other team for that matter.

If I played this game professionally and knew this went on I sure as heck want to make sure I’m getting paid millions. You could spend the next 30 years of your life forgetting who you are for 15 minutes every time someone fires up a microwave.

goflyers on April 5, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Your horns are a little crooked. Time to readjust them.

http://www.amazon.com/They-Call-Assassin-Jack-Tatum/dp/0380524805

Del Dolemonte on April 5, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Sorry but you can’t point to others bad behavior to justify your own, especially AFTER being warned about it.

LevinFan on April 6, 2012 at 12:06 AM

I’ve played football…

… but not in the NFL where the stakes are in the billions.

The pressure was on in High School to go out and kick the living crap out of the other team…

… I can only imagine what it would like in a play-off game in the NFL, between the owners, TV contracts, the bookies, the advertisers, and the promoters.

If you were the one having to pay the bills…

… damn straight if you walked into your locker room, that is exactly how you would want your defensive coach to be talking to your players.

Because you know the coaches on the other team are doing the exact same thing…

… Just sayin’.

Seven Percent Solution on April 5, 2012 at 7:19 PM

That’s pathetic and if that is the spirit that the sport is played then the sport needs to be put out of its misery. It’s disgraceful coaching at any level. I played club rugby in Europe and if we knew someone was intentionally trying to inflict career ending injuries on players there would be hell to pay. You can obliterate the opposition without causing lasting damage. This is not a friendly niggle which any contact sport has. Who pays the disability bills when the player is a vegetable or a cripple?

lexhamfox on April 6, 2012 at 3:11 AM

Seven Percent Solution on April 5, 2012 at 7:19 PM

That’s pathetic and if that is the spirit that the sport is played then the sport needs to be put out of its misery. It’s disgraceful coaching at any level. I played club rugby in Europe and if we knew someone was intentionally trying to inflict career ending injuries on players there would be hell to pay. You can obliterate the opposition without causing lasting damage. This is not a friendly niggle which any contact sport has. Who pays the disability bills when the player is a vegetable or a cripple?
lexhamfox on April 6, 2012 at 3:11 AM

THE VERDICT

BigSven has review the tape, and both of the heartfelt observations.

The coach was a bit near the edge in his locker talk. Actual bounty’s being paid would put him “over the top”.

Seven Percent Solution plays the “honest broker”. He is correct, football is not for wimps, or half hits, or “gee, think I will make this tackle at just a 35% effort”…it should be played at 110@ of ability.

lexhamfox (are you a libtard?)You admit you got some “euro” in you..maybe that explains the nanny-like indignation you shovel out. You said nothing about the only thing BigSven has a problem about (actual bountys). The swearing and agressive locker-room talk…hey, the guy is into his own brand of aggressive coaching…

Observation: wimps and libtards tend to soil themselves when around aggressive males….

BigSven on April 6, 2012 at 5:29 AM

….You can obliterate the opposition without causing lasting damage. This is not a friendly niggle which any contact sport has.
lexhamfox on April 6, 2012 at 3:11 AM

Hey pal, Don’t know about in euro-land, but in American football they are friendly only if they are on your team ! Otherwise, they can, and will, take your f’n head off!! :)

PS: Thought euros were politically correct?

BigSven on April 6, 2012 at 7:20 AM

Who pays the disability bills when the player is a vegetable or a cripple?

lexhamfox on April 6, 2012 at 3:11 AM

This is precisely the case the NFLPA made during negotiations before and after the lockout. But my conclusion is that if taking care of broken ex~NFL players is even remotely like the way they finance their shiny new stadiums, then the American taxpayer will be on the hook.

Frankly, there is a litigious element to all of this that most here fail to recognize. Goodell is trying to prevent this sort of thing from getting out of hand and policing the league before there is a major lawsuit OR he is forced to pay more to care for retired and permanently disabled players. It’s bad PR and it’s definitely not good business. Those of you who play Screen Beret here (and you know who you are) should check your ego’s and short d*cks at the door prior to commentary about this. Pro Football above ALL else IS a business. And people like Williams are BAD for business.

Williams was clear that he wanted players injured. Frankly, if it was legal, I’d allow every defensive player in the NFL take a shot at Williams while he was in a defenseless position. He wouldn’t last two hits. I despise people like Williams. He gives professional sports a bad name.

As fans, everyone expects to see the best professionals play and that can’t be the case if good players can’t play because of injuries.

DevilsPrinciple on April 6, 2012 at 7:45 AM

Political correctness and the desire to breed out conflict by squishy do-gooders is killing our society, it is cancerous. THIS is just another example.

If a coach offers a “bounty” as an incentive, the truth of the matter is everybody involved in that knows what he is really doing- trying to motive his players that one percent more than the players on the other side because THAT is what wins the game at the NFL level. Nobody really takes him seriously! These players understand the financial aspect of the game, they understand free agency, they get paid MILLIONS a year, they understand the guy they are trying to “kill” could be their starting quarterback or running back next season.

This whole thing is another bread and circus event fed to us by those who wish to take our collective eyes off the real troubles in America.

I was listening to the NFL channel several months ago when Warren Sapp and his crew hosted John Riggins. He was asked which generation was tougher and better athletes. Riggins laughed and said his. Sapp got all upset saying his generation was bigger and faster and stronger. Riggins looked at him like he was a child and agreed but said the difference was “the players today run upright. In my day, you had to run low or the other team would take your legs out immediately.” What he was saying in essence is even with all the steroids and training programs, the players today don’t play are hard as those thirty years ago- and he is right.

They don’t hit as they did back then. They don’t have the dislike they had for each other like back when I was a kid and one player stayed with one team his entire career, which meant he faced the same guy on the other team year after year after year.

Getting beat by your opponent stuck with you all offseason. You didn’t get distracted by your 25 million dollar contract, the hot chicks or bling.

Jake Scott of the undefeated Miami Dolphins made seventeen thousand dollars that year in salary. SEVENTEEN! A YEAR! He would be far more motivated by a bounty than someone making ten million.

This is another liberal left wing zero tolerance bullsnot moment. Like Rush said the next thing you’ll hear is that the game should be banned because it is too violent.

Yet gangs in Chicago shooting forty-nine people are okay though and not worth front page news…

archer52 on April 6, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Archer both you and Rush are WRONG about this.

Why you think it’s ok to try to intentionally injure someone that could result in concussions or paralysis is beyond me.

There’s a difference between playing hard and being a cheap b@stard trying to intentionally hurt people.

And this has nothing to do with politics or the PC culture, it’s basic common decency.

LevinFan on April 6, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Actually, as a Saints fan [and will continue to be after this all dissipates], I will say there has to be a punishment to some of the coaches (what that is? I don’t know) ..

But that being said, other than the argued one play against Farve, someone ran a count of all “offensive” players taken out of a game by questionable hits… there were a total of 2 possible bounty-hits… and one (to my recall of the collection) where a player just blew out an ACL on a play during a tackle.).

So apparently, the Saints players were REALLY bad at performing this bounty thing… (yes, I still do think there should be punishments against some of the coaching staff [though, someone explain why the GM is being punished, when he's not even involved in the on-the-field routines?]

DaSaintFan on April 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM