Rubio’s DREAM: Will it win Latinos to the GOP?

posted at 1:05 pm on April 4, 2012 by Tina Korbe

Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio has never fully supported the DREAM Act, but he says he has always supported the idea behind it: Undocumented immigrant children don’t bear responsibility for the decision of their parents to bypass the legal immigration process, and they shouldn’t be made to bear that responsibility. Rubio wants to propose a modified version of the DREAM Act, one that won’t incentivize “chain migration,” but that also won’t relegate children to “shadow” status in this country. CNSNews.com reports:

In an April 1 interview with liberal commentator Juan Williams on Fox News Latino, Rubio said he does not support the DREAM Act as currently drafted. But he said he would sponsor a proposal that incorporates the “idea” of helping young illegal immigrants by providing them with a special visa to allow them to stay in the country legally while waiting in line to get citizenship.

Rubio has not yet published a specific proposal of his “idea” and has only provided broad details of what the alternative DREAM Act would entail.

“I support the idea behind the DREAM Act, which is to help these young kids. I don’t support the DREAM Act as currently drafted because it allows for chain migration, because it creates a pathway to citizenship that can potentially encourage illegal immigration in the future,” Rubio told Williams.

“I do support, and I have consistently supported, even during my campaign, I’ve supported the notion that we need to accommodate these kids that, through no fault of their own, find themselves in this legal limbo,” he said.  “But we have to do it the right way. And so I’m actively engaged in working with my colleagues, and with outside groups, and with anyone who would work with me to craft a solution that helps deal with this issue, but doesn’t do it in a counter-productive way.”

It sounds as though Rubio wants to allow children in the country illegally to apply for certain types of visas — but it’s unclear whether they’d be guaranteed those visas. If their presence is guaranteed to be made legal in the United States, then it’s hard to see how Rubio’s DREAM wouldn’t still unfairly reward parents’ decision to forgo the legal immigration process. If their presence isn’t guaranteed to be made legal, then it’s hard to believe kids would apply for the visas and risk punishment for the revelation that they (and, by extension, their parents) are in the country illegally.
It seems safe to say, though, that any type of outreach on this issue couldn’t hurt the GOP’s chances with Latino voters — and that fact will probably make Rubio’s DREAM appealing to Romney and other party leaders who’ve rejected DREAM as it stands now and might welcome the opportunity to soften their stance on help for alien minors.
Neither the current version nor Rubio’s version will solve the illegal immigration problem, though. The system itself is in desperate need of reform — and the reward for tackling the issue would probably be about as great as the reward Paul Ryan has received for tackling entitlement reform. There just isn’t much political incentive to dig into the nitty gritty of the actual immigration process. Until someone does, though, the risk-reward calculus will continue to favor illegal immigration over legal immigration and, every 10 to 20 years, we’ll have to decide again how best to assimilate the immigrants who’ve entered our country illegally and managed to live and work here for years.

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Marco Jeb Bush, Junior

That’s who he really is.

PappyD61 on April 4, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Here we go.

Lightswitch on April 4, 2012 at 1:07 PM

The idea of punishing kids because of what their parents have done is just not right.

I agree with Rubio on this

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:07 PM

The old leftist meme – being sent back to your country of origin is somehow a punishment.

No, it’s not – it’s where they belong. Being sent where you belong isn’t punishment.

Rebar on April 4, 2012 at 1:09 PM

“I support the idea behind the DREAM Act, which is to help these young kids.

people breaking the law Senator Rubio.

PappyD61 on April 4, 2012 at 1:09 PM

helping young illegal immigrants by providing them with a special visa to allow them to stay in the country legally while waiting in line to get citizenship.

Incentivizing illegal aliens. Brilliant.

Akzed on April 4, 2012 at 1:09 PM

1, 2, 3 PANDER!

IT WON”T WORK!

Rubio’s conservative credentials are eroding away faster and faster by the minute (first mistake . . . .ROMNEY ENDORSEMENT. . . .IT’S DOWNHILL FROM THERE!)

WOE IS AMERICA!

America Does Not Need Another Wimp in the White House . . .DUMP MITT NOW!

Pragmatic on April 4, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Rubio = McCain II.

VorDaj on April 4, 2012 at 1:12 PM

I am not unsympathetic to individuals looking to make a better life for themselves and their families. The problem that no one addresses with illegal immigration is the fact that our borders are so porous that anyone can get through. Criminals, radicals, and other nefarious types. There is also the fact that I just do not agree with rewarding illegal behavior.

dmn1972 on April 4, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Secure the border first, then you deal with the people who are here.

El_Terrible on April 4, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Incentivizing illegal aliens. Brilliant.

Akzed on April 4, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Should a 1 year old kid who was brought to the US 16 years ago by his parents be deported back because his parents came here illegally?

That is just inhumane!

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Start throwing employers who hire illegals in jail. We need to make it to where their home country is the only place they can get a job. They will self deport, problem solved.

The reason Republicans don’t go for this is because those employers give money to Republican politicians and they like their slave labor, so I don’t expect either side to crack down on illegals.

rndmusrnm on April 4, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Neither the current version nor Rubio’s version will solve the illegal immigration problem, though. The system itself is in desperate need of reform — and the reward for tackling the issue would probably be about as great as the reward Paul Ryan has received for tackling entitlement reform.

Poor Tina. This just sounds like some regurgitated talking point with no real thought behind it. Be specific.

As for Ryan, he hasn’t even tried to tackle entitlements or entitlement reform.

Dante on April 4, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Sorry, I disagree Marco.

Go ahead and call me heartless.

JPeterman on April 4, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Secure the border first, then you deal with the people who are here.

El_Terrible on April 4, 2012 at 1:12 PM

We are never going to have a 100% secure border. We can secure at most 50%

If you make a 40 feet fence, business will boom for 45 feet ladders.

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:14 PM

The idea of punishing kids because of what their parents have done is just not right.

I agree with Rubio on this

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:07 PM

… shhhhhhh..(I didn’t mention your moms failed abortion, on this thread).

KOOLAID2 on April 4, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Some people will call it political, some people will call it wrong.

But thats the price you pay for being bold and doing the right thing.

boogaleesnots on April 4, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Secure the border first, then you deal with the people who are here.

El_Terrible on April 4, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Exactly….this “deport them all” won’t work, can’t work…logistically it is next to impossible.

right2bright on April 4, 2012 at 1:15 PM

I wish Latinos card about the national debt.

aryeung on April 4, 2012 at 1:15 PM

There are only 2 answers to this problem, end birthright citizenship and enforce the border. Every other proposal is a form of amnesty. The “legal limbo” problem is resolved by ending birthright citizenship, the kids would be illegal along with their parents, as it should be.

echosyst on April 4, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Rubio

1) Not constitutionally eligible to be Prez or VP.
2) Supported/supports the Libyan “rebels” and the Arab “Spring”.
3) Wants to legalize all of Mexico into the U.S.A.

He should just change parties.

VorDaj on April 4, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Rubio

1) Not constitutionally eligible to be Prez or VP.
2) Supported/supports the Libyan “rebels” and the Arab “Spring”.
3) Wants to legalize all of Mexico into the U.S.A.

He should just change parties.

VorDaj on April 4, 2012 at 1:15 PM

What would be your suggestion for dealing with almost 20 million undocumented people?

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Should a 1 year old kid who was brought to the US 16 years ago by his parents be deported back because his parents came here illegally? That is just inhumane! liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Yes, if his parents. He can’t stay here without them.

Would you let him stay here without his parents?

No, you wouldn’t, so you would incentivize illegals to bring children here when they might not do so otherwise, in order to enhance their chances of staying here if they are detected.

So as usual the leftist idea only exacerbates the problem.

Akzed on April 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

This is why we’re the Stupid Party. Keep pandering to the Hispanics who’ll vote Democrat anyway, and America will be worse off as a result. Fortunately for the Mexicans, the whole shenanigan can be conducted in Spanish.

Alexis on April 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Should a 1 year old kid who was brought to the US 16 years ago by his parents be deported back because his parents came here illegally?

That is just inhumane!

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:12 PM

No. He should be deported because his parents brought him here illegally.

Should a 17 year-old kid who whose parents illegally brought him to the US 16 years ago be allowed to cut in line ahead of a 17 year-old kid whose parents played by the rules?

aunursa on April 4, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Who the hell wants America to look even more like crap hole Mexico?

VorDaj on April 4, 2012 at 1:18 PM

If you make a 40 feet fence, business will boom for 45 feet ladders.

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Wrong.

The Israeli fence is considerably shorter than 40 feet, but they don’t have any issues with people climbing over it. A property designed and built military grade fence is a nearly impenetrable barrier.

Rebar on April 4, 2012 at 1:18 PM

We are never going to have a 100% secure border. We can secure at most 50%

If you make a 40 feet fence, business will boom for 45 feet ladders.

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:14 PM

….I always get to make up my own statistics and facts at Hot Air!…that’s why I would never leave here…and it’s so much fun!

KOOLAID2 on April 4, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Who the hell wants America to look even more like that garbage dump called Mexico?

VorDaj on April 4, 2012 at 1:19 PM

What would be your suggestion for dealing with almost 20 million undocumented people?

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Reagan had the answer…but liberals destroyed (and of course breaking their solemn promise) it when they took control of congress. And now we have an even bigger mess…

right2bright on April 4, 2012 at 1:20 PM

I agree with Rubio on this

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:07 PM

The obvious is indignant.

Schadenfreude on April 4, 2012 at 1:20 PM

I don’t oppose the idea Rubio has.

It’s interesting though, because aren’t we punished all the time for the mistakes of others? When a single woman has five kids from five men, don’t we pay for her housing, food, etc? To liberals that is fairly punishing other for the mistakes of others, but the same logic doesn’t apply to children brought here illegally?

jmangini on April 4, 2012 at 1:20 PM

What would be your suggestion for dealing with almost 20 million undocumented people?

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

…only 20 million? See!

KOOLAID2 on April 4, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Exactly….this “deport them all” won’t work, can’t work…logistically it is next to impossible.

right2bright on April 4, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Incorrect.

Build the fence, impliment harsh penalties for hiring illegals, E-verify, and aggressive enforcment of all laws – and you’ll see huge numbers self deport, making it easier to hunt down those who don’t.

Rebar on April 4, 2012 at 1:20 PM

It doesn’t matter anymore people…

… Obowma has granted amnesty.

The Judicial Watch Blog

DHS To Grant Illegal Aliens “Unlawful Presence Waivers”

Seven Percent Solution on April 4, 2012 at 1:20 PM

I can see Rubio losing major support over this position. Why the hell does it always come down to identity politics? Ugh.

Ukiah on April 4, 2012 at 1:21 PM

What would be your suggestion for dealing with almost 20 million undocumented people?

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

No work, no bennies for illegals (quit that b/s on the ‘undocumented’) and most go home on their own.

Schadenfreude on April 4, 2012 at 1:21 PM

The idea of punishing kids because of what their parents have done is just not right.

I agree with Rubio on this

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:07 PM

The idea of rewarding illegal activity is just not right.

Rubio, the amazing conservative! Yeah, right, just another Bush compassionate conservative. So compassionate he felt that we should be burdened with a housing bubble, the subsequent crash, and the unbelievably destructive TARP that failed to fix anything. This is why I wait before getting on the bandwagon for the next super star conservative to come down the pike. Most are going to be hacks, most of the rest will just sell out. Rubio seems more hack than sell out. I doubt he ever was conservative.

Anything that makes them legal in this country encourages chain migration. Anything that promises citizenship for criminal encourages more of the same. The only way to stop this is to stop illegal aliens from becoming illegal aliens. Secure the border. Make it close to impossible to get a job or government assistance as an illegal alien. Do not allow illegal alien children go to school. Make English the official and ONLY language usable by government agencies (with the exception of foreign affairs agencies of course), no forms or press one options at all.

astonerii on April 4, 2012 at 1:21 PM

What would be your suggestion for dealing with almost 20 million undocumented people?

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Have all 50 states enforce laws against employment of illegal aliens. Without access to jobs, they will self-deport.

aunursa on April 4, 2012 at 1:21 PM

We are never going to have a 100% secure border. We can secure at most 50%

If you make a 40 feet fence, business will boom for 45 feet ladders.

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:14 PM

This guy thinks creating a secure border is impossible, but thinks government can provide 300,000,000 Americans with better health coverage than any other institution or group of doctors.

El_Terrible on April 4, 2012 at 1:21 PM

What would be your suggestion for dealing with almost 20 million undocumented people?

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Take away their goodies. Welfare, free healthcare, food stamps, free education and they will self-deport.

Make them get in line and enter the U.S. legally, the way I had to.

JPeterman on April 4, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Seven Percent Solution on April 4, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Does not matter, once Obama is no longer president, or if that choice comes to bite him in the ass, then that policy will go.

astonerii on April 4, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Send Obama home to Chicago.

Keep Rubio in the senate.

Worry about Mitt, almost as much as about Obama.

Schadenfreude on April 4, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Make them get in line and enter the U.S. legally, the way I had to.

JPeterman on April 4, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Me and you agree on something. WOOHOO. The way my wife had to.

astonerii on April 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

We are never going to have a 100% secure border. We can secure at most 50%

If you make a 40 feet fence, business will boom for 45 feet ladders.

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Since driving a truck or van through a 40 foot fence would be difficult, seems like it would be pretty easy to spot Mexicans walking across the desert with 45 foot ladders.

Dongemaharu on April 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Who the hell wants America to look even more like crap hole Mexico?

VorDaj

I know. All those dark complexions. Sickening. /sarc.

lostmotherland on April 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Sorry, cared.

aryeung on April 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

My worst fears. This is what happens when this guy was allowed to hang around with McLame & Grahmamesty. He could be damaged forever now.

In the proud republican rino tradition!

De Oppresso Liber on April 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Incorrect.

Build the fence, impliment harsh penalties for hiring illegals, E-verify, and aggressive enforcment of all laws – and you’ll see huge numbers self deport, making it easier to hunt down those who don’t.

Rebar on April 4, 2012 at 1:20 PM

If I am “incorrect” than why did you agree with me…I stated you can’t deport all the illegals…and you essentially agreed by stating that many would leave on their own.
No problem…but it stands, we can’t deport 20 million, we can’t deport 10 million illegals, it has to be done other ways…you pointed out some of the ways ,and I am sure there are others.
You guys should take it easy and relax…

right2bright on April 4, 2012 at 1:24 PM

I know. All those dark complexions. Sickening. /sarc.

lostmotherland on April 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

It’s not about “complexions”. Remember Zimmerman. He’s a “white Hispanic”.

Hispanic is not a race, btw.

What are lighter complexion Hispanics called “beige Hispanics”?

MLK cries in his grave.

Schadenfreude on April 4, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Undocumented immigrant children don’t bear responsibility for the decision of their parents to bypass the legal immigration process, and they shouldn’t be made to bear that responsibility.

Too bad most republicans vehemently disagree, and actively seek to punish these very children.

ernesto on April 4, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Rubio wants to propose a modified version of the DREAM Act, one that won’t incentivize “chain migration,”

1. Punish employers for hiring illegals
2. Control the border
3. No legal status for any alien who has ever used a false SSN
4. NOW we can begin to talk about whether any idea such as Rubio’s would be possible

peski on April 4, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Couldn’t hurt.

Sure, I’m just as likely to vote for a formally principled conservative who sold out to criminal parents with incremental Amnesty as I am for one that does what’s right. [Head going back in sand now...]

elfman on April 4, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Alexis on April 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Word. One definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing in hopes of a different result. However, I don’t think the R leadership is insane, exactly, they’re just playing a hidden game a complete level above the plebs and pundits. By the time the “reveal” comes, it will be too late, even for pitchforks.

exlibris on April 4, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Too bad most republicans vehemently disagree, and actively seek to punish these very children.

ernesto on April 4, 2012 at 1:24 PM

So you want to separate families?
If a child wanted to live in Florida and the family lives in Montana, are you saying they have to move to Florida to accommodate the child?

right2bright on April 4, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Once Mittens loses to Obama, everybody, illegal or otherwise, will be fleeing back to Mexico, so this is a pretty pointless debate. :) /sorta

Buckshot Bill on April 4, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Oh good fluking grief. Another “trigger” issue. Abortion, gay marriage, Medicare, and immigration…push any of these buttons and fricking conservatives rush to fling themselves on their swords of righteous indignation. “Those children are breaking the law and should be thrown back to the country of their parents origin.” If you “principled” ideologists would stop and think for just one minute, instead of rushing off, tearing your hair out–you would realize that THIS is the problem of our time, and needs deep, thoughtful, logical thinking….something you lemmings are incapable of…MARCO’S A RINO….let the namecalling begin.

ANYONE who advances any kind of idea to solve this problem, is immediately placed against the wall, with a blindfold, and will heare the words, “FIRE!”

lovingmyUSA on April 4, 2012 at 1:26 PM

I know. All those dark complexions. Sickening. /sarc.
lostmotherland on April 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

For the first time in history, a liberal goes right to the race card!

I hope everyone noticed!

Akzed on April 4, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Link the number of dream visas to the number of deportations the previous year. 20-25 to one ratio should be enough to secure conservative support. Deport a 100 illegal aliens and the following year, 5 poor little kids brought to this country against their will get to stay.

rw on April 4, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Too bad most republicans vehemently disagree, and actively seek to punish these very children.

ernesto on April 4, 2012 at 1:24 PM

You’re a liar. Nobody wants to “punish children”. Is living in Mexico as a Mexican a punishment? Why? Because Mexicans have made Mexico a stinking hole.

peski on April 4, 2012 at 1:27 PM

What would be your suggestion for dealing with almost 20 million undocumented ILLEGAL people?

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

For goodness sakes STOP dancing around the word ILLEGAL – if you have any faint hope of EVER being taken even marginally seriously in here.

AND

Unless you are INVITING all those “poor downtrodden” (GAG) folks to LIVE with YOU……….take a HIKE

Katfish on April 4, 2012 at 1:27 PM

The idea of punishing kids because of what their parents have done is just not right.

I agree with Rubio on this

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Except for abortions, right?

SouthernGent on April 4, 2012 at 1:27 PM

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Have all 50 states enforce laws against employment of illegal aliens. Without access to jobs, they will self-deport.

aunursa on April 4, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Excellent, not to mention, it would open up some jobs–have you seen any roofers who were causian lately?

lovingmyUSA on April 4, 2012 at 1:28 PM

We need to secure the border, and now is a good time to secure the border too. Obama’s made the US so crappy that Mexicans don’t want to come here anymore. Gotta put the fence up before a GOP economy booms.

El_Terrible on April 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Why not just throw (or at least show) support behind the states, such as Alabama, that have enacted their own laws regarding illegal immigrants. These laws work! Gosh, it’s like our Republican federal representatives don’t want this problem to get fixed.

exlibris on April 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM

The idea of punishing kids because of what their parents have done is just not right.

I agree with Rubio on this

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Who are you kidding? You don’t think their parents have done anything wrong.

Bitter Clinger on April 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM

We are never going to have a 100% secure border. We can secure at most 50%

If you make a 40 feet fence, business will boom for 45 feet ladders.

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Fortune cookie! Wonder what your next talking point regurgitation will be?

peski on April 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Mexicans in America backed Obama over John McCain, proving that the Republican party cannot win them over no matter how pro-amnesty its candidate is.

The Mexicans will always vote for more free stuff to be paid for by White Americans, and the Democratic Party will always promise more free stuff and be more willing to sacrifice the interests of White Americans.

More immigration, including illegal immigration and legalization, means a more Democratic electorate, permanently.

It’s insane for the Republican Party to flirt with this.

There is no up-side to this flirting. There is only the down-side of encouraging illegal immigration, and the other down-side of advertising the Republican Party’s disregard for the interests of people who get squeezed by mass immigration, that is the people who vote Republican.

David Blue on April 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Illegal immigrant is an oxymoron.

They are only illegal.

Schadenfreude on April 4, 2012 at 1:31 PM

exlibris on April 4, 2012 at 1:26 PM

This is probably true. I’m afraid the point of no return is already behind us.

Alexis on April 4, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Excellent, not to mention, it would open up some jobs–have you seen any roofers who were causian lately?

lovingmyUSA on April 4, 2012 at 1:28 PM

I don’t care what race the roofer is as long as he’s competent at his job.

At any rate, another benefit for the working class is that without having to compete with illegal aliens, the wages of citizens and legal immigrants would rise.

aunursa on April 4, 2012 at 1:32 PM

What would be your suggestion for dealing with almost 20 million undocumented people?

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Take away their goodies. Welfare, free healthcare, food stamps, free education and they will self-deport.

Make them get in line and enter the U.S. legally, the way I had to.

JPeterman on April 4, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Indeed. And take away their ability to work as illegals as well. When they can’t make money the illegal way, then they’ll consider the legal option.

Bitter Clinger on April 4, 2012 at 1:33 PM

I don’t care what race the roofer is as long as he’s competent at his job.

At any rate, another benefit for the working class is that without having to compete with illegal aliens, the wages of citizens and legal immigrants would rise.

aunursa on April 4, 2012 at 1:32 PM

I don’t care either, except that illegals are being paid less, and thus underbidding our legal citizens….enforce the laws, no more santuary cities either!

lovingmyUSA on April 4, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Senator Rubio how about this instead…..

THE PAPPY PLAN.

1. SEAL the Southern border.
Saves state and federal entitlements by the score. State Unemployment benefits, Social Security, lower crime rate, force employers to raise wages for LEGAL CITIZENS.

2. 10% Across the board Federal spending cuts.
This year $350 billion, next year $300 billion, the year after that $250 billion. REAL CUTS, not accounting gimmicks.

But getting Rubio or anyone else to actually embrace this plan would mean they were actually serious about fixing the border and the financial mess we’re in…..

….and we know (by their actions) they are all just playing games.

PappyD61 on April 4, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Take away their goodies. Welfare, free healthcare, food stamps, free education and they will self-deport.

Make them get in line and enter the U.S. legally, the way I had to.

JPeterman on April 4, 2012 at 1:22 PM

So what do you do with their American born children who are US citizens?

Let them die in the street?

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:35 PM

The idea of punishing kids because of what their parents have done is just not right.

I agree with Rubio on this

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Like all libtards, you see unequal results as basic unfairness. What’s wrong with Mexico?

peski on April 4, 2012 at 1:35 PM

MLK cries in his grave.

Schadenfreude on April 4, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Yep.

Bmore on April 4, 2012 at 1:35 PM

So what do you do with their American born children who are US citizens?

Let them die in the street?

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Man, you have a thing for this “people dying in the streets” meme.

Bitter Clinger on April 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Like all libtards, you see unequal results as basic unfairness. What’s wrong with Mexico?

peski on April 4, 2012 at 1:35 PM

I don’t know I don’t live in Mexico…

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM

We probably shouldn’t allow the Irish or Italians or Germans into colleges either. I know, I know, they were born here, but their grandparents might have arrived here with undocumented status so we can’t “reward” that behavior.

If left unchecked, pretty soon people from all over the world will want to be coming to America and we can’t have that.

Interesting thing to note: Hispanics are no longer accounting for the largest increase in immigration. It is now Asians. In fact, the fastest growing illegal immigration demographic is people from India.

crosspatch on April 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM

I don’t care either, except that illegals are being paid less, and thus underbidding our legal citizens….enforce the laws, no more santuary cities either!

lovingmyUSA on April 4, 2012 at 1:34 PM

I agree. Any sanctuary city should lose federal funding.

aunursa on April 4, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Should a 1 year old kid who was brought to the US 16 years ago by his parents be deported back because his parents came here illegally?

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:12 PM

A woman who takes 15 years to give birth should probably see a doctor.

BadgerHawk on April 4, 2012 at 1:38 PM

My worst fears. This is what happens when this guy was allowed to hang around with McLame & Grahmamesty. He could be damaged forever now.

In the proud republican rino tradition!

De Oppresso Liber on April 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Aside from the military service, I don’t see how he differs from McCain. Check out his foreign policy.

aryeung on April 4, 2012 at 1:38 PM

The idea of punishing kids because of what their parents have done is just not right.

I agree with Rubio on this

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:07 PM

So you’re against Abortion in the case of rape? This is precisely the logic I use in justifying my position on this. (I agree with Rubio on this as well).

vegconservative on April 4, 2012 at 1:38 PM

If you came here when you were 3 or 4 years old, and have lived here all your life, you know as much about America and feel as at home in America as anybody else. The kids, grown up, should stay. We need them to stay. We’ve killed 50-million babies. We need some replacements. If we were in Europe, they’d be mostly Muslims, but they’re not.

RBMN on April 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Secure the border first, then you deal with the people who are here.

El_Terrible on April 4, 2012 at 1:12 PM

We are never going to have a 100% secure border. We can secure at most 50%

If you make a 40 feet fence, business will boom for 45 feet ladders.

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:14 PM

We keep on upgrading until the point is reached in which the infiltrating party cannot compete and enter in this nation by their own terms.

The Nerve on April 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Mexico has 4.5% unemployment and an economy growing at double the rate of ours. California water regulations are pushing US farms to lease land in Mexico where they can get water and are transferring their operations there. Why would a Mexican want to come to the US at this point? Since 2010, California has LOST about 200,000 “undocumented workers”.

crosspatch on April 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM

So what do you do with their American born children who are US citizens?

Let them die in the street?

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:35 PM

If a single parent commits a crime and gets sent to prison, what do you do with their children that are American citizens?

Aren’t you “punishing the children” by imprisoning the criminal? Should all parents be exempt from imprisonment?

peski on April 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM

What would be your suggestion for dealing with almost 20 million undocumented people?

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

If they’re undocumented, how would you know the number?

Dante on April 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM

At this point “secure the border” means prevent Mexicans from sneaking back into Mexico. At least in California, the net migration is back to Mexico.

crosspatch on April 4, 2012 at 1:40 PM

I don’t know I don’t live in Mexico…

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM

So what’s so bad about sending Mexicans to Mexico, and their children with them?

peski on April 4, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Reagan had the answer…but liberals destroyed (and of course breaking their solemn promise) it when they took control of congress. And now we have an even bigger mess…

right2bright on April 4, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Reagan’s answer was amnesty.

Dante on April 4, 2012 at 1:41 PM

So what do you do with their American born children who are US citizens?

Let them die in the street?

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Reading comprehension not one of your finer points I see.

Take the goodies away from the parents who are here illegally and they will self deport and take their kids with them.

JPeterman on April 4, 2012 at 1:41 PM

If they’re undocumented, how would you know the number?

Dante on April 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Last year it was 12 million, this year it’s 20 million. People are arriving at these numbers via rectal extraction.

crosspatch on April 4, 2012 at 1:41 PM

David Blue on April 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Couldn’t agree more. The Balkanization of the U.S. is fully underway. One also wonders what the effects of all this will be on our financially healthy entitlement system, now that an increasing number of non-whites will have to pay for the benefits of an increasing number of retired whites.

Alexis on April 4, 2012 at 1:41 PM

I’m with Rubio on this, just secure the border first then we can talk.

Kjeil on April 4, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Should a 1 year old kid who was brought to the US 16 years ago by his parents be deported back because his parents came here illegally?

That is just inhumane!

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Blame the parents for being inhumane, for not following the law and for putting their child in this man-made limbo.

Can you give me a list of countries are now inhabitable, where it would be inhumane to vacation, visit or live there? If I recall, someone’s daughter just spent Spring Break in Mexico.

Fallon on April 4, 2012 at 1:43 PM

That is just inhumane!

liberal4life on April 4, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Oh, the humanity. It’s for the children. Did I leave any out?

msupertas on April 4, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Next time you are in a supermarket and see a box of Driscoll’s berries, have a look at the package. Those used to be produced in Watsonville, Califonia. You have a 50-50 chance of seeing “Produce of Mexico” on the box now as they have moved about half their farms to Mexico.

crosspatch on April 4, 2012 at 1:43 PM

The reason that there aren’t too many details on the visa yet is because the original DREAM Act provided that if the applicant had been convicted of certain crimes they were ineligible, however, the definition of those crimes… like assault… varied from state to state and what was a class 2 felony in one state was deemed a class 3 felony in another, etc. It left the legislation open to rank fraud and made it like a lottery as far as what qualified an individual in each state. I suspect that Rubio and others are trying to find the appropriate language to bring definitive clarity to this issue on a nationwide scale.

Actually, I have made no secret that I take a very dim view of anyone willfully shattering our federal immigration law. However, I am a realist. IF we are going to allow any illegal aliens to remain in this nation and grant them legal status, this particular group, the individuals who were brought here as children by their parents and have been here for 5 years or more continuously, and can prove that with school records and legitimate identity records, who have not committed any felonies, would be the group that would be most palatable.

The problem with the Progressive versions of the DREAM Act has always been that the law was open to rank fraud and abuse and that it allowed people who were far too old to qualify, as well as the criminality issue which would have allowed people convicted of prostitution and having a known history as a gang member to qualify among other issues, but one of the most egregious faults was that it allowed CHAIN MIGRATION which would have allowed each ‘student’ to sponsor their parents, grand parents, bothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, etc. for legal status.

Rubio appears to want to address these issues and if we could cut it back to ONLY the student, not their family members, and only those who are not criminals and have no gang related history, it would be much more palatable to most of us. Add that its only for those students to continue their studies while they apply for CITIZENSHIP, which means they commit to becoming AMERICANS, not just green card holders with legal residency status, All or nothing, and I can embrace this law. This allows for those who are here through no fault of their own to become citizens, but not those who willfully shattered the law.

I would add that the individual up for consideration must be a student. That if the individual turned 18 years of age and did not apply in their own right as an adult for legal status and is not a student, that person has shattered the law in their own right, just as their parents before them, and should not be included in this legislation. AMNESTY was granted in 1986, so anyone who is over 26 years of age should be ineligible in any case. I also think that if the ‘student’ does not have adequate English language skills they should be disqualified since one of the provisions in Rubio’s proposal is that the ‘child’ was brought here before the age of 16, and has been here for 5 years.

The point is that we are the GOP and we do embrace legal immigration. These people who were brought here as children find themselves in a peculiar legal position and we can make provision for those who are capable of, and desirous of, becoming American citizens. We can do better for immigrants than the Progressives, who have proven they only wish to use them for political leverage over the Hispanic and Latino community by refusing to be reasonable in coming to the table to craft laws that prevent abuse of the law and serve everyone equitably.

thatsafactjack on April 4, 2012 at 1:45 PM

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