Open thread: Wisconsin, Maryland, D.C.; Update: Romney wins MD, DC; Update: Romney wins WI

posted at 7:45 pm on April 3, 2012 by Allahpundit

Fully 98 delegates are at stake and Romney’s probably going to win nearly all of them. The polls in Washington and Maryland close at 8 p.m. ET, but don’t worry about that. It’s a foregone conclusion that Romney will win both and, maybe, crack 50 percent in doing so. (PPP’s Maryland poll from a few days ago had him ahead of Santorum 52/27.) Wisconsin, where the polls close at 9 p.m. ET, is shakier but that looks like a Romney win too. At last check, PPP had it 43/36, which is right in line with where most of the polls of the state have been over the past month. Santorum’s overperformed his polling before on election night so there’s a slim, slim chance for one last “Not Romney” hurrah, but this is where Mitt likely starts to wrap things up. Says RCP political guru Sean Trende:

What about Tuesday night? Here we are beginning to see signs of movement. The Maryland polling suggests that Romney should receive about 56 percent of the three-way vote, while [my demographic] model suggested 49 percent would be more in line with other states.

Similarly, Wisconsin should be a close race — akin to Ohio — with Romney receiving 43 percent of the vote. For a while, it appeared that Santorum would be exceeding expectations there. But Romney now leads by about eight points, with polls suggesting he should receive around 49 percent of the three-way vote. Again, this suggests an over-performance of about six-seven points.

If this happens, taken together with Illinois and Maryland, we might conclude that Romney really has managed to break out of his demographic rut, at least in the Midwest and Northeast. This is significant, given the large cache of delegates at stake in those regions (though many of these states have already voted).

In other words, the usual rules of the race — Romney wins urbanites, Santorum wins evangelicals, etc — seem to have relaxed a bit as Republicans slowly reconcile themselves to a Romney nomination. Tonight’s results could be further evidence of that. Santorum still leads by six points in his home state of Pennsylvania but I’ll be curious to see how those polls shift if Mitt cleans up today, and especially if he does better with rural voters than expected. Romney already has four paid staffers working PA and will send lots more tomorrow in hopes of finishing off Santorum there on April 24. If Santorum’s lead is already down to mid-single-digits, what’ll it be after Romney hits the trail there and starts spending ad dollars and gets the positive buzz of a trifecta in WI, MD, and DC tonight?

Here’s the Google Elections page for results, although I’ve found that CNN’s vote totals are a few minutes faster. Updates are coming below, so stand by.

Update: Bad tidings for Team Sweater Vest from the early Wisconsin exit polls: Evangelical turnout is slightly down from 2008 and more than 80 percent of voters expect Romney to be the nominee. But what about Santorum’s withering attacks on RomneyCare and ObamaCare? Quote:

Though Rick Santorum tried to make the case in Wisconsin that Mitt Romney’s record on health care “uniquely disqualified” him to take on Mr. Obama on the issue, Republican primary voters are closely divided in whom they trust more to handle the issue. Almost a third trust Mr. Romney more to handle health care policy; almost as many have more confidence in Mr. Santorum’s abilities in this field.

That may reflect Mr. Romney’s particular situation when it comes to the federal health care law that came under intense scrutiny at the Supreme Court last week.

According to the WSJ, Romney’s also beating Santorum 51/38 among voters who decided in just the last few days. A quote to ponder from a Wisconsin voter while we wait for more: “I very much hope that he gets the nomination and we get this thing settled soon. These guys are kind of tearing each other apart in the process. I think it’s a circular firing squad at this point.”

Update: Annnnnnnnd here’s how the Wisconsin Democrats spent their day.

Update: To no one’s surprise, Maryland and Washington are called promptly for Romney at 8 p.m. Stand by for exit polls.

Update: Here’s the Maryland exit poll. As Trende guessed, we’re seeing some demographic surprises. Santorum’s supposed to be the blue-collar candidate, and yet:

He’s also supposed to be the conservative candidate, and yet:

This is the one that’ll get attention tomorrow, though, assuming that these numbers hold (exit poll data will be adjusted throughout the evening):

Per the exits, Romney’s right on the cusp of 50 percent in the state.

Update: We’ve got nearly an hour until Wisconsin results and then probably an hour after that before the state is called, so chew on this important and worrisome poll data from Rasmussen in the meantime. Dude, I’m nervous:

A majority of Wisconsin voters now support the effort to recall Republican Governor Scott Walker.

A new Rasmussen Reports statewide survey shows that, if the recall election was held today, 52% of Likely Voters would vote to recall Governor Walker and remove him from office. Forty-seven percent (47%) would vote against the recall and let him continue to serve as governor.

Update: And that’s that: Fox News calls Wisconsin for Romney. Here’s the exit poll. Santorum did manage to win very-low-income voters and evangelicals (narrowly) this time, but Romney won conservatives and strong tea-party supporters. The end is near for Team Sweater Vest. And from what I’m hearing on Twitter, he may be close to acknowledging it: Apparently he referenced Reagan’s 1976 campaign, in which he finished second to Gerald Ford, in his concession speech. Is he shifting focus to 2016 now?

Update: Nope, turns out I’m wrong. Patrick Ishmael e-mails to say that Santorum’s been using the Reagan ’76 line for a few weeks at least.


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am perfectly happy with ‘Willard’…he should actually ‘enslave’ (as you put it) a few moochers such as yourself, if this means to actually get them to work

jimver on April 3, 2012 at 10:44 PM

lol now which is the party of government overreach?

DBear on April 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

If you don’t believe the words of MassResistance, you should check out some of the links they provide, including PDFs of Romney fliers and signed statements.
Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Ha!! I knew it!!! I’m psychic. Hey, S.P. did you like their awesome robocalls for Santorum?

Buy Danish on April 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

You mittbots already cost us the 2008 election, if you cost us this one I’ll haunt you libs!

Danielvito on April 3, 2012 at 10:53 PM

No, McCain cost us the 2008 elections with that stupid ‘suspend campaign’ hogwash and that “I don’t think you have anything to fear from an obama Presidency” nonsense.

Lanceman on April 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Facepalm.jpg

Go RBNY on April 3, 2012 at 10:43 PM

It is what it is.

Obama is against energy producers. Romney was as governor.
Obama is for the government forcing you to buy products. Romney was as governor and is still today.
Obama is for government redistributing wealth. Romney was as governor and is still today.
Obama is for taking money from medicare/medicaid to fund Obamacare. Romney was for that same thing to fund Romneycare.
Obama is for increasing taxes on the rich. Romney was as governor and recently argued how he is not concerned about the rich.
Obama thinks the minimum wage should be increased. Romney thinks the increases should be automatic, to the left of Obama.
Obama puts progressives on the bench. Romney did the same.
Obama bought out the car companies. Romney argued it was good for him to have done so.
Obama supported TARP. Romney supported TARP.
Obama pushed for stimuless. Romney thinks stimuless works.
Obama thinks this fake recovery is real. Romney thinks this fake recovery is real.
Obama thinks deficit spending and ballooning debt is good for our country. Romney ran his businesses the same way.

Sorry, but when it comes down to exacting detail, Romney is Obama with a different degree.

astonerii on April 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

That doesn’t absolve them though.

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 10:50 PM

From wishing him death? Nice.

thebrokenrattle on April 3, 2012 at 10:57 PM

You say he’d be an improvement. On what basis?

Romney doesn’t oppose the private sector of the economy. Romney opposes trillion dollar giveaways to the unions under the guise of “stimulus”. Romney isn’t a mortal lock to fill the next Supreme Court vacancy with someone in the mold of Sonya Sotomayor or Elena Kagan. Romney isn’t going to go around the world and apologize for this country.

That’s all off the top of my head.

I take a look at Mitt, and I see, in addition to the liberal record I’ve linked to, someone who further makes the GOP’s name mud with embarassing gaffes like joking about how his father closed plants and got people canned, and exhausts the GOP ‘brand’ sufficiently that not only do we get at least 4 years of him should he win, but then either another 4 years of him, or 4 years of a Democrat challenger. If he wins 2 terms (likely given recent history), most times the incumbent party doesn’t win 3 times in a row. That means you’ve got 8, likely 12, years of liberal governance at least. That’s an eternity in politics, especially when it comes to judicial picks and the long-term future of SCOTUS. Better to stick it out for 4, let Obama replace Ginsburg and possibly Breyer, and then pray like mad that Thomas, Scalia, and Kennedy don’t kick the bucket in the meantime. Win after Obama’s through, and then replace with a surge of younger appointees.

Romney is less conservative than I am but he’s still a lot more conservative than Obama (see above). Being less conservative than you or I doesn’t automatically make someone liberal. Barack Obama is a freaking liberal. Mitt Romney, or at least the rhetoric he’s using in the campaign so far, is not. And I would rather have the balance of power at the Supreme Court hanging by more than just our prayers that Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy don’t have heart attacks. Bork is advising Mitt on the judiciary so, yes, I trust him to make the right type of picks. We could end up getting to replace some combination of Scalia, Kennedy or Ginsberg if we win in November. We can’t let that pass.

Obamacare will be decided before this election. As for money, if the GOP isn’t doing anything about it now, even though they control where the spending appropriations process begins, I see little reason to think they’ll do any differently with a change in the terms of the next engagement.

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Obamacare might be decided before the election. If the mandate goes down but the rest of it stands the libs will push for single payer. We can’t afford to have a Democrat in the White House to sign that into law if it hits his desk. Mitt will sign a repeal of the rest of the whole mess; Obama will sign away our freedom. That’s about as stark of a choice as it gets.

I’m giving the House GOP some leeway. There is only so much they can do and if they overplay their hang when they don’t have the power to get anything big enacted as law then they’re giving Obama an issue he can campaign on. We lost the 1995 government shutdown because the president has the bully pulpit. No need to make the same mistake again. Better to keep the powder dry for when he (hopefully) are able to act in January.

alchemist19 on April 3, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Basilsbest on April 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

actually liberal republican, the base of the republican party is conservative. A gallup polls says 42% of the country is conservative, it’s you and romneycare that are the minority. If he didn’t spend over $100 million this cycle romneycare wouldn’t get your 2% of the vote!

Danielvito on April 3, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Screw it. I’m gonna become a Mittbot.

Lanceman on April 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Don’t do that when Santorum is on the verge of an epic comeback!

Bradky on April 3, 2012 at 10:58 PM

astonerii on April 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

There’s one overriding thing in all that – Romney loves America. obama doesn’t.

Lanceman on April 3, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Keep it up Mittbots, I’ll put dannydevito in his front-pack and walk right out of here. p.s, I actually have to walk out here with him whether you oppress me or not, he has a play date.

Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 10:38 PM

I totally lol’d at that.

Priscilla on April 3, 2012 at 10:59 PM

:-) nice visual effect :-)…you in design business?

jimver on April 3, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Nah, retired hooker.

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Lanceman on April 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Do you deny that via CNN exit polls in 2008 9% of registered liberal republicans (romneycare voters) or 6.5 million people voted for Obamasatan. Palin and that other thing she ran with lost by 10 million votes.

You can make a strong case romneycare voters put obamasatan in office.

Danielvito on April 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Ha!! I knew it!!! I’m psychic. Hey, S.P. did you like their awesome robocalls for Santorum?

Buy Danish on April 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

I wasn’t aware they were making robocalls. Since I’m down in Virginia, I’m not privy to their activities. It wouldn’t surprise me if they made robocalls though.

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Dammydevito and I make strong cases.

Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Romney doesn’t oppose the private sector of the economy. Romney opposes trillion dollar giveaways to the unions under the guise of “stimulus”. Romney isn’t a mortal lock to fill the next Supreme Court vacancy with someone in the mold of Sonya Sotomayor or Elena Kagan. Romney isn’t going to go around the world and apologize for this country.

That’s all off the top of my head.

First, in “not opposing” the private sector, that leaves me trepidation with the nature of his lack of opposition. The health insurance industry are big fans of Romneycare because it gives them a guaranteed customer base. You can’t decide otherwise. It’s kinda like General Electric with the ban on incandescent bulbs. If you get rid of the commonly produced bulb and instead force people to using explicitly your product, that’s hardly something admirable in my view.

On Romney’s filling the court, I strongly disagree. I think he’s highly likely to appoint someone like that or like Souter. Others have pointed out that he appointed 29 Democrats or Democrat contributors to the court, including 2 gay activists. As another poster asked, of the millions of people living in MA, was that the best he could do? Regarding apologizing for the country, alright, I’ll give you that one. I’m not sure he’d do jack diddly for the country, but he doesn’t have the leftist “It’s all America’s fault” thing going for him. You’ve got a point there.

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Basilsbest on April 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

actually liberal republican, the base of the republican party is conservative. A gallup polls says 42% of the country is conservative, it’s you and romneycare that are the minority. If he didn’t spend over $100 million this cycle romneycare wouldn’t get your 2% of the vote!

Danielvito on April 3, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Sorry vito. Conservatives don’t talk like you. Whether you are liberal or ultra liberal, you are unhinged. Your dishonest and vicious attacks upon this decent man have done nothing but demonstrate your detachment from reality.

Basilsbest on April 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Palin and that other thing she ran with lost by 10 million votes.

You can make a strong case romneycare voters put obamasatan in office.

Danielvito on April 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Actually it was closer to nine million. But 4 point something million and 2 point something came from California and New York, states a Rethuglican ain’t never gonna win anyway.
A switch of less than 3 million votes throughout the rest of the country and Palin is President. Excuse me, McCain is President.

Quit worrying. obama will not reach 40,000,000 votes.

Lanceman on April 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Rick Santorum is coming back. It’s a fact. And Priscilla is a great name.

Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Paul Ryan introducing Romney tonight instead of Ann Romney.

Paul Ryan stepping up direct attacks on Barry recently.

Paul Ryan and Romney laughing it up together after Romney got punked by the April Fool prank, showing they hit it off and have some chemistry together.

Wisconsin a battleground state with 10 electoral votes.

Are all those thing pointing to a Romney/Ryan ticket?
galtani on April 3, 2012 at 10:50 PM

that or Romney had a man crush on Ryan :-)…

jimver on April 3, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Wisconsin 70% reporting:
Romney 42%
Santorum 38%

That is not really a win. Given all the money and endorsements I think that it is a loss for Romney.

scrubjay on April 3, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Romney is less conservative than I am but he’s still a lot more conservative than Obama (see above). Being less conservative than you or I doesn’t automatically make someone liberal. Barack Obama is a freaking liberal. Mitt Romney, or at least the rhetoric he’s using in the campaign so far, is not. And I would rather have the balance of power at the Supreme Court hanging by more than just our prayers that Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy don’t have heart attacks. Bork is advising Mitt on the judiciary so, yes, I trust him to make the right type of picks. We could end up getting to replace some combination of Scalia, Kennedy or Ginsberg if we win in November. We can’t let that pass.

I consider Jeff Sessions and George W. Bush each less conservative, but I don’t regard them as liberals. It comes down to the manner of governance, and if you look at Romney’s record, he consistently goes left.

On the judiciary, Mitt also has John Sunnunu advising him, the former Chief of Staff for George HW Bush who gave us Souter. That plus Mitt’s judicial record in MA provides no solace.

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 11:08 PM

I have a man crush on Paul Ryan. And no dannydevito, that doesn’t mean he is going to be your new daddy.

Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Rick Santorum is coming back. It’s a fact. And Priscilla is a great name.

Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

on a different note, where’s your play date? :-)…

jimver on April 3, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Scrubjay, it’s about the delegates. Romney won, and it has been over for quite some time. Time to face up to it.

Philly on April 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Dammydevito and I make strong cases. Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Rusty, please use the sarcasm, tag. Vito was so pumped by your comment, he demanded extra rations.

Basilsbest on April 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Robocall text. I had the audio at one point, can’t find it now. It begins:

“Hi, my name is Brian Camenker; I’m a Jew from Massachusetts.

“And, this is Darcy Brandon; I’m a Christian from California. If you believe as we do that marriage and sexuality should only be between a man and a woman, please help us stop Mitt Romney.

Buy Danish on April 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Romney 42%
Santorum 38%

That is not really a win. Given all the money and endorsements I think that it is a loss for Romney.

scrubjay on April 3, 2012 at 11:07 PM

When you consider Democrats came out to vote for Santorum, it doesn’t look so bad.

GOPRanknFile on April 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

scrubjay on April 3, 2012 at 11:07 PM
Maybe they’ll take all the delegates back because you don’t think it’s a win.

Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

There’s one overriding thing in all that – Romney loves America. obama doesn’t.

Lanceman on April 3, 2012 at 10:58 PM

If he loved America, he would let a real conservative get the nomination. If he loved America, he would know he is not going to do anything to improve the country and get it on the right track. If he loved America, more than he loves his own ambition, I would probably back him.

Bush loves America. When he saw the building housing bubble, he called for congress to address Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the underwriters of all the paper that was getting wrote up. He stood his ground until he was told how good it made him look to have the highest home ownership of any president. That he looked good because of the minority home ownership increases. He loved the accolades more than he loved his nation, and then he stepped back and forgot all about the impending doom.

Bush loves America. When he saw the housing bubble popping, he knew that hard medicine was the right approach to the problem. That hard medicine would have the economy dive deeper, faster, but also recover faster and more vibrant than before. Instead, he took the soft approach of TARP. He made our children poorer in order to not feel as much pain for the measly few months he had left in office. He understood, or should have, the precedence he was creating. Buying outright ownership of companies. Moral hazard. The astoundingly massive new benchmark for government action on any problem. But he did it anyways.

Does anyone think that Romney will not easily be led into these same traps that Bush was led into? Romney is a master at one thing. Making the book look better than they really are in order to sell a bill of worthless goods to other people. Any lies needing to be told. Any books needing to be fudged. Any deals that make his presidency appear better than it really is. They will not be left untended.

astonerii on April 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 11:04 PM

How does it feel to go thru lofe named after corrosion!

By the way, romneycare has a couple of things rusty that he needs you to polish!

Danielvito on April 3, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Obamacare might be decided before the election. If the mandate goes down but the rest of it stands the libs will push for single payer. We can’t afford to have a Democrat in the White House to sign that into law if it hits his desk. Mitt will sign a repeal of the rest of the whole mess; Obama will sign away our freedom. That’s about as stark of a choice as it gets.

I’m giving the House GOP some leeway. There is only so much they can do and if they overplay their hang when they don’t have the power to get anything big enacted as law then they’re giving Obama an issue he can campaign on. We lost the 1995 government shutdown because the president has the bully pulpit. No need to make the same mistake again. Better to keep the powder dry for when he (hopefully) are able to act in January.

alchemist19 on April 3, 2012 at 10:57 PM

The liberals would push for single-payer, but wouldn’t get it through. They won’t have 60 votes after this election, health insurers are not about to sign their own death warrant when they lobby, and the GOP has proven remarkably resilient when defending business interests (see union-busting) while remarkably feckless on fighting social issues (see the GOP’s inability to forcefully call out the Dems on contraception for the liars that they are).

I wouldn’t count on Mitt repealing the whole mess. Recall: http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/17/romney-on-obamacare-in-2010-lets-repeal-the-bad-and-keep-the-good/

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Hey, I wanted a conservative nominee as much as anyone did here.
None of that will happen, now, so it looks like its going to be Romney.
I see one distinct difference between him & Obama.
Obama loathes America.
Romney doesn’t.
I can’t encourage anyone else to, but I’m going to vote for Romney. No way will I give my vote away to Obama.

Belle on April 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

When you consider Democrats came out to vote for Santorum, it doesn’t look so bad.

GOPRanknFile on April 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Operation Unionilarity.

galtani on April 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

scrubjay on April 3, 2012 at 11:07 PM
Maybe they’ll take all the delegates back because you don’t think it’s a win.

Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

well, it wasn’t a win win, scrubjay is right in channeling his inner whoopi :-)…

jimver on April 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

On Romney’s filling the court, I strongly disagree. I think he’s highly likely to appoint someone like that or like Souter. Others have pointed out that he appointed 29 Democrats or Democrat contributors to the court, including 2 gay activists. As another poster asked, of the millions of people living in MA, was that the best he could do? Regarding apologizing for the country, alright, I’ll give you that one. I’m not sure he’d do jack diddly for the country, but he doesn’t have the leftist “It’s all America’s fault” thing going for him. You’ve got a point there.

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 11:05 PM

I give Mitt a near-total pass on the judicial appointments in Massachusetts. When the state version of the Senate Judiciary Committee is 8-1 Democrat then I don’t care if Reagan is governor, you’re not going to get a bunch of Republicans on the bench. Mitt set up a system that allowed for blind consideration of candidates without respect to ideology, gender or anything else like that. The end result was he did get some Republicans, some Independents and some Democrats on the bench, mainly to lower courts. Honestly I don’t think it’s fair to make the perfect the enemy of the good in this case; if everyone Mitt put up was a conservative then someone would have figured out what he was up to pretty quickly and then he gets no one else through. Viewed in context Mitt made the best he could out of a really bad situation IMHO.

alchemist19 on April 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Robocall text. I had the audio at one point, can’t find it now. It begins:

“Hi, my name is Brian Camenker; I’m a Jew from Massachusetts.

“And, this is Darcy Brandon; I’m a Christian from California. If you believe as we do that marriage and sexuality should only be between a man and a woman, please help us stop Mitt Romney.

Buy Danish on April 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

The insignificant and rapidly declining number of anti-Romneys on this site will continue to paste their lies about Mitt until Santorum acknowledges he’s finished.

Basilsbest on April 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Basilsbest on April 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM
(:

Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

16,000th look at Newt?

:P

Myron Falwell on April 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Corrosion, I mean Rusty the chump, you are a great reason why Romneycare has no chance to win in Nov.. Instead of trying to get a conservative like me to vote for your liberal, you do everthing in your power to piss me off. keep it up, with people like me sitting this election out your binky has a fine chance to win!

Danielvito on April 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Allahpundit on April 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

What the firetruck?

Cindy Munford on April 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

I consider Jeff Sessions and George W. Bush each less conservative, but I don’t regard them as liberals. It comes down to the manner of governance, and if you look at Romney’s record, he consistently goes left.

On the judiciary, Mitt also has John Sunnunu advising him, the former Chief of Staff for George HW Bush who gave us Souter. That plus Mitt’s judicial record in MA provides no solace.

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 11:08 PM

There won’t ever be another Souter. We learned our lesson on stealth nominees. Look what happened when Bush tried it with Harriet Miers. If Mitt is elected and throws up someone DeMint and Coburn are unsure about then they’ve already shown they know what to do.

alchemist19 on April 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

It is what it is.

Obama is against energy producers. Romney was as governor.
Obama is for the government forcing you to buy products. Romney was as governor and is still today.
Obama is for government redistributing wealth. Romney was as governor and is still today.
Obama is for taking money from medicare/medicaid to fund Obamacare. Romney was for that same thing to fund Romneycare.
Obama is for increasing taxes on the rich. Romney was as governor and recently argued how he is not concerned about the rich.
Obama thinks the minimum wage should be increased. Romney thinks the increases should be automatic, to the left of Obama.
Obama puts progressives on the bench. Romney did the same.
Obama bought out the car companies. Romney argued it was good for him to have done so.
Obama supported TARP. Romney supported TARP.
Obama pushed for stimuless. Romney thinks stimuless works.
Obama thinks this fake recovery is real. Romney thinks this fake recovery is real.
Obama thinks deficit spending and ballooning debt is good for our country. Romney ran his businesses the same way.

Sorry, but when it comes down to exacting detail, Romney is Obama with a different degree.

astonerii on April 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

All very true, but there’s one huge difference between Obama and Romney. Obama is at least willing to fight for his demented fascist beliefs. Romney on the other hand was practically brought to tears by a few Bret Baier softball questions from someone basically on his side. So what does that portend for the general?

Farenht451 on April 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

The insignificant and rapidly declining number of anti-Romneys on this site will continue to paste their lies about Mitt until Santorum acknowledges he’s finished.

Basilsbest on April 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Yeah. Lies… that is it… Lies… You living that big lie thing so deeply you even believe your own lies already?

astonerii on April 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

I give Mitt a near-total pass on the judicial appointments in Massachusetts. When the state version of the Senate Judiciary Committee is 8-1 Democrat then I don’t care if Reagan is governor, you’re not going to get a bunch of Republicans on the bench. Mitt set up a system that allowed for blind consideration of candidates without respect to ideology, gender or anything else like that. The end result was he did get some Republicans, some Independents and some Democrats on the bench, mainly to lower courts. Honestly I don’t think it’s fair to make the perfect the enemy of the good in this case; if everyone Mitt put up was a conservative then someone would have figured out what he was up to pretty quickly and then he gets no one else through. Viewed in context Mitt made the best he could out of a really bad situation IMHO.

alchemist19 on April 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Justice may be blind, but governors don’t have to be. An empty bench is preferable to a liberal one. Is it really so hard to find people who aren’t openly affiliated with the Democratic party or who don’t donate to their campaigns? Given that American voter turnout and registration is typical dismal, is it really so hard to find a judge who is essentially apolitical?

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

well, it wasn’t a win win, scrubjay is right in channeling his inner whoopi :-)…

jimver on April 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

My fear is that if Romeny gets a majority of the delegates that the GOP convention will be one big golf clap fest.

scrubjay on April 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Next up 4/24:

NY, CT, DE, RI and PA.

Romney will win 4 of those 5.

And new poll from NC

Santorum 25,
Romney 31,
Gingrich 12,
Paul 15

Romney +6

galtani on April 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

The insignificant and rapidly declining number of anti-Romneys on this site will continue to paste their lies about Mitt until Santorum acknowledges he’s finished.

Basilsbest on April 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Most of them are probably preparing for 2016 and have conceded November.

At least Ann Romney has shown decency and grace… and a sense of humor to boot.

Myron Falwell on April 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 11:04 PM
How does it feel to go thru lofe named after corrosion!
By the way, romneycare has a couple of things rusty that he needs you to polish!
Danielvito on April 3, 2012 at 11:12 PM
My “lofe” feels great, no complaints yet. But remember what your teacher said at parent-teacher conference, “if you want to join the other kids on the playground you have to work on your spelling”. And the drooling.

Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

All very true, but there’s one huge difference between Obama and Romney. Obama is at least willing to fight for his demented fascist beliefs. Romney on the other hand was practically brought to tears by a few Bret Baier softball questions from someone basically on his side. So what does that portend for the general?

Farenht451 on April 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

I got no idea at all. Obama has proven beyond a doubt he will lie to the people. That the media will cover his lies. I just do not see them doing the lie covering for Obamney Romney in the general. The thing you can rest assured of though is that anything said in the campaign will be discarded in the Office. Once installed, he will do what he wants to do, and what his instincts tell him to.

astonerii on April 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

astonerii on April 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM
Are you quoting “the wiggles”?

Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 11:22 PM

There won’t ever be another Souter. We learned our lesson on stealth nominees. Look what happened when Bush tried it with Harriet Miers. If Mitt is elected and throws up someone DeMint and Coburn are unsure about then they’ve already shown they know what to do.

alchemist19 on April 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

The difference between Dubya and Romney is that Dubya was one of us and cared about what we thought. He’d often be dumb as a doornail about it, but he was earnest. I don’t think that about Romney.

The only way I could see to resolve the judges issue is for us to be given in advance a “short list” of conservative picks, and secure a promise given on camera that he’d only nominate judges for SCOTUS from that list. That would provide the sufficient amount of political leverage to pressure Senators to keep him in line should he try to deviate and the Senators wish to indulge him.

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Some anonymous poster on a website made me really mad. So to show him how mad he made me. I’m staying home!!!!! Ha, that will show said anonymous internet poster guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Minnfidel on April 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Rick Santorum is coming back. It’s a fact. And Priscilla is a great name.

Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Great timing, that.

minnesoter on April 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

NY, CT, DE, RI and PA.

Romney will win 4 of those 5.

And new poll from NC

Santorum 25,
Romney 31,
Gingrich 12,
Paul 15

Romney +6

galtani on April 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

if he hots 50% in NY he can get all 58 delegates from there, that would be a huge win for him…and is doable, given it’s NY…

jimver on April 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM

The liberals would push for single-payer, but wouldn’t get it through. They won’t have 60 votes after this election, health insurers are not about to sign their own death warrant when they lobby, and the GOP has proven remarkably resilient when defending business interests (see union-busting) while remarkably feckless on fighting social issues (see the GOP’s inability to forcefully call out the Dems on contraception for the liars that they are).

I wouldn’t count on Mitt repealing the whole mess. Recall: http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/17/romney-on-obamacare-in-2010-lets-repeal-the-bad-and-keep-the-good/

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 11:12 PM

I hope you’re right but I don’t like to take chances that big. I didn’t think they would ever get through what they did yet here we are. If the mandate goes down, costs skyrocket because of the pre-existing condition garbage still being on the books and they start pushing “Medicare for All,” (I recall the phrase polls very well) with all the standard liberal talking points then we could find ourselves in serious trouble. How sure are you there will be 41 spines in the Senate after this fall?

alchemist19 on April 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM

hits that is :-)…

jimver on April 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM

This was Santorum’s last chance for a shot of campaign juice. It’s over.

minnesoter on April 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

I e-mailed you about this 20 minutes ago, canopfor. You’ve been placed in moderation for repeatedly going off-topic in threads. If you’d like to discuss it, please e-mail us at our tips address.

Allahpundit on April 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Canopfor??? You must be kidding.

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Good speech by Mitt.

Red State State of Mind on April 3, 2012 at 11:31 PM

anopfor is an asset to this site. I do no

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2012 at 11:31 PM

jimver on April 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM

It is the same for CT. Winner takes all if he is over 50%.

galtani on April 3, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

One thing my teachers taught me halfwit is that if something is rusty, it’s corroded, like your brain that has never been used!

HA- this moron, rusty allen uses his real name as a nickname, this my friends is a romneycare supporter.

Danielvito on April 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Yeah. Lies… that is it… Lies… You living that big lie thing so deeply you even believe your own lies already?

astonerii on April 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

You gotta wonder how PISSED the Mittbots are that their wunderkind couldn’t be coronated as their king back in December… or January… or February… or March…

He’ll probably be a placeholder president with absolutely nothing special to offer. Which is the last thing this country needs.

What’s sad is, Mitt could very well win.

Myron Falwell on April 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Let’s try it again. Canopfor is an asset to this site. I do not understand this, Allah.

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2012 at 11:33 PM

I hope you’re right but I don’t like to take chances that big. I didn’t think they would ever get through what they did yet here we are. If the mandate goes down, costs skyrocket because of the pre-existing condition garbage still being on the books and they start pushing “Medicare for All,” (I recall the phrase polls very well) with all the standard liberal talking points then we could find ourselves in serious trouble. How sure are you there will be 41 spines in the Senate after this fall?

alchemist19 on April 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM

One way or another, there’s a major chance being taken. If SCOTUS shoots down the mandate but doesn’t think there’s a severability issue, then the matter will go back for litigation again at which point momentum will be in favor of rolling back the scale, rather than ramping it up which had already resulted in failure.

Grover Norquist at CPAC said, correctly in my estimation, that only 1 GOP Senator is at serious risk of defeat: Scott Brown. I’d add another position to that list since she declared her retirement after Norquist spoke: Olympia Snowe’s seat. In a worst-case scenario, that leaves you with 45 seats. I’m not worried about Obama regaining a super-majority.

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 11:34 PM

It is the same for CT. Winner takes all if he is over 50%.

galtani on April 3, 2012 at 11:31 PM

he can get easily to 50% in CT..in NY state he will probably have to work a little harder to get to 50%, though most of the votes will come from NYC and he will do well there…

jimver on April 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM

comment #667. That is all.

Flora Duh on April 3, 2012 at 11:39 PM

I consider Jeff Sessions and George W. Bush each less conservative, but I don’t regard them as liberals. It comes down to the manner of governance, and if you look at Romney’s record, he consistently goes left.

On the judiciary, Mitt also has John Sunnunu advising him, the former Chief of Staff for George HW Bush who gave us Souter. That plus Mitt’s judicial record in MA provides no solace.

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 11:08 PM

There won’t ever be another Souter. We learned our lesson on stealth nominees. Look what happened when Bush tried it with Harriet Miers. If Mitt is elected and throws up someone DeMint and Coburn are unsure about then they’ve already shown they know what to do.

alchemist19 on April 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Robert Bork is Mitt’s Judicial Advisor. Stoic Patriot is a concern troll working for Axelrod.

Basilsbest on April 3, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Justice may be blind, but governors don’t have to be. An empty bench is preferable to a liberal one. Is it really so hard to find people who aren’t openly affiliated with the Democratic party or who don’t donate to their campaigns? Given that American voter turnout and registration is typical dismal, is it really so hard to find a judge who is essentially apolitical?

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

I would take an empty bench over a liberal one, but that bench would only stay empty until the next Democrat governor came along and filled it with all Democrat party hacks.

Admittedly I don’t know enough about all the players involved with the nomination and confirmation process to say if it was possible to get a few more of the good guys through without the legislature putting a stop to it, nor am I intimately familiar with the pool of qualified nominees who were available. I just maintain that in light of the awful situation Mitt made a pragmatic move to attempt to make the best of the situation. It doesn’t strike me as a stupid move so I’m not going to be critical of him for it.

alchemist19 on April 3, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Let’s face it folks, it’s Mitt…

If you have someone better, who can actually win the nom, lets’ here it…

Otherwise let’s start focusing on Barry.

ccrosby on April 3, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Robert Bork is Mitt’s Judicial Advisor. Stoic Patriot is a concern troll working for Axelrod.

Basilsbest on April 3, 2012 at 11:40 PM

And as you already know from the reply of mine you quoted, John Sununu, the guy who gave us Souter, is also advising Romney.

Apparently anyone who doesn’t check their brain at the door and mindlessly go along is an Axelrod operative.

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 11:42 PM

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Kind of baffling. canopfor’s kind of like Flora Duh without the focus, but hardly offputting.

wolfsDad on April 3, 2012 at 11:43 PM

I would take an empty bench over a liberal one, but that bench would only stay empty until the next Democrat governor came along and filled it with all Democrat party hacks.

Admittedly I don’t know enough about all the players involved with the nomination and confirmation process to say if it was possible to get a few more of the good guys through without the legislature putting a stop to it, nor am I intimately familiar with the pool of qualified nominees who were available. I just maintain that in light of the awful situation Mitt made a pragmatic move to attempt to make the best of the situation. It doesn’t strike me as a stupid move so I’m not going to be critical of him for it.

alchemist19 on April 3, 2012 at 11:40 PM

I think you’re giving Mitt a lot of benefit of the doubt, and undeservedly so. Remember that this is a guy who openly campaigned on having progressive values. A more plausible case is that if progressive nominees made it to the court, and he said his views were progressive, that such a result was due to deliberate selection.

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 11:45 PM

I don’t get why Canopfor is getting the moderation treatement and that useless snotbag Danielvito is allowed to run loose.

MelonCollie on April 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Somebody’s getting upset (: he doesn’t like being put down without a bottle.
But in all seriousness, this is a blog, and many of us come here for fun. We actually talk about families, movies, guns, music or whatever we choose. You can’t spend your existence threatening not to vote or calling people names and expect to be taken seriously. And it is extremely naive to think that people making comments on this site will scare the electorate away from the nominee. I get along with just about everyone, whether the support “my guy”, Palin, Perry, Newt, etc. at the end of the day reasonable people get on with life. Try laughing once in a while, it’s pretty healthy. Playing the victim of oppression just because a political candidate wins is petty and fruitless.

Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Don’t do that when Santorum is on the verge of an epic comeback!

Bradky on April 3, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Funny !

Red State State of Mind on April 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Let’s try it again. Canopfor is an asset to this site. I do not understand this, Allah.
katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2012 at 11:33 PM
What happened?

Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Let’s face it folks, it’s Mitt…

If you have someone better, who can actually win the nom, lets’ here it…

Otherwise let’s start focusing on Barry.

ccrosby on April 3, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Excellent post.

Red State State of Mind on April 3, 2012 at 11:49 PM

I’ll take the Mormon for 20 Alex.

rickyricardo on April 3, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Screw it. I’m gonna become a Mittbot.

Lanceman on April 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

I’ve come to like Romuans.

budfox on April 3, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Dick Morris. Accurate as always!The only thing he got wrong was that Romney will sew it up BEFORE 6-6.

MaiDee on April 3, 2012 at 11:51 PM

I want Paul Ryan as VP. Period. Let’s have this debate, and Romney should embrace. He has.

rubberneck on April 3, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Here’s the thing. I’m not interested in losing all credibility in my community by encouraging people to vote for Mitt. Can’t do it. There’s too much at stake in this election cycle to give up the ability to promote philosophical conservatism. The best I can say is that Mitt isn’t Obama, and that’s just not enough for me. I’ll probably vote for him if he’s the nominee, but I can’t associate myself with him.

Our local Tea Party (200 plus semi-regular activists, in addition to election-year folks) seems to be leaning toward confining organized, official activity to Congressional, state, and local races. We booted one progressive Rep and scared the crap out of another one. We can do a lot of the heavy lifting in this region of VA, but the Mitt peeps have ignored us or taken cheap shots at us. That’s fine with me, personally. We get Dubya thrown in our faces enough without having to defend Mitt too.

NOW…….with that said, here’s something for the folks who were nodding at what I just said.

We have a sitting President who is shredding our Constitution, conspiring with a foreign leader to deceive us about missile defense plans, and raving like an unhinged loon about TEH EEBULL RICH PEEPULL. He hasn’t just broken his oath, he has used it for toilet paper and then dared us to do something about it. We cannot afford 4 more years of this wretched, racist communist.

If Romney is the nominee, support him. Secretly, like me, if you have to, but support him. I was beginning to be inclined otherwise, possibly even casting a vote for poor old Gary Johnson, but that moment when Medvedev patted Barry’s hand was the moment I knew in my heart I couldn’t afford to throw my vote away. Romney is to Obama as Putin is to Stalin. They’re both rotten to the core, but one has the killer instinct shared by all such megalomaniacs.

I have my doubts about a Romney presidency, but a continued Obama presidency holds the absolute certainty of premeditated, deliberate, systematic dismemberment of America as we know it. So far as I am able, I will not let that happen.

And for the local Mittbots, save your scorn for all us hold-outs. We’re the majority, whether you like it or not. When your principles regain their rigidity, we’ll be right here where you parted company with us. We’re all in this together. Let’s do this thing.

Nom de Boom on April 3, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Dick Morris. Accurate as always!The only thing he got wrong was that Romney will sew it up BEFORE 6-6.

MaiDee on April 3, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Please tell me you’re joking. Morris is rarely right about anything. Remember Condi vs. Hillary?

GOPRanknFile on April 3, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Grover Norquist at CPAC said, correctly in my estimation, that only 1 GOP Senator is at serious risk of defeat: Scott Brown. I’d add another position to that list since she declared her retirement after Norquist spoke: Olympia Snowe’s seat. In a worst-case scenario, that leaves you with 45 seats. I’m not worried about Obama regaining a super-majority.

Stoic Patriot on April 3, 2012 at 11:34 PM

“41 spines” was a typo, I meant 51. My apologies.

If the mandate goes down then one of the big funding mechanisms for Obamacare goes with it and thus creates a huge budget shortfall. If the Democrats and Obama are still around after this election then I would expect them to propose a Medicare expansion (i.e.: Medicare for All) with a corresponding tax increase to pay for it and pass it under reconciliation.

alchemist19 on April 3, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Dick Morris. Accurate as always!The only thing he got wrong was that Romney will sew it up BEFORE 6-6.

MaiDee on April 3, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Please tell me you’re joking. Morris is rarely right about anything. Remember Condi vs. Hillary?

GOPRanknFile on April 3, 2012 at 11:54 PM

I was thinking the same thing, GOP. But then I remembered that Morris changes his tune so many times, that eventually he’s going to get a couple of predictions correct.

4Grace on April 3, 2012 at 11:57 PM

I e-mailed you about this 20 minutes ago, canopfor. You’ve been placed in moderation for repeatedly going off-topic in threads. If you’d like to discuss it, please e-mail us at our tips address.

Allahpundit on April 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

????????????

Nom de Boom on April 3, 2012 at 11:57 PM

I was thinking the same thing, GOP. But then I remembered that Morris changes his tune so many times, that eventually he’s going to get a couple of predictions correct.

4Grace on April 3, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Ha! Good point!

GOPRanknFile on April 3, 2012 at 11:58 PM

????????????

Nom de Boom on April 3, 2012 at 11:57 PM

pretty incomprehensible stuff from allah…

jimver on April 3, 2012 at 11:59 PM

But then I remembered that Morris changes his tune so many times, that eventually he’s going to get a couple of predictions correct.

4Grace on April 3, 2012 at 11:57 PM

true :-)

jimver on April 4, 2012 at 12:00 AM

ABO, sweethearts, ABO. None of the candidates we have, none or them, hates America and liberty and capitalism. They might not be perfect, but they are not Obama. ‘Nough for me.

TXUS on April 4, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Rick could learn from this lost cause…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCpcAum2BSM&rel=0

Midwesterner on April 4, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Nom de Boom on April 3, 2012 at 11:53 PM
Well said.

Rusty Allen on April 4, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Let’s face it folks, it’s Mitt…

If you have someone better, who can actually win the nom, lets’ here it…

Otherwise let’s start focusing on Barry.

ccrosby on April 3, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Yes, realize I used the wrong “here” But I’ve been drinking, what’s your excuse?

ccrosby on April 4, 2012 at 12:05 AM

pretty incomprehensible stuff from allah…

jimver on April 3, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Agreed. Canopfor’s been posting like this for years. AP, please reconsider. I can’t tell you the number of times canopfor’s links have added new dimension to posts around here. The OT stuff is almost always helpful. We’ve got too many trolls around here to be putting an old hand in moderation.

Nom de Boom on April 4, 2012 at 12:06 AM

Why isn’t there more calls for Newt to drop out?

nootch on April 4, 2012 at 12:07 AM

Nom de Boom on April 3, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Well said.

Moreover, the upheaval being promoted through mis-educated students (occupy) and racial incitement present a clear and present danger to the citizenry.

While the thought of acting in concert with basil the supercilious puts a knot in my stomach, western civilization is considerably more important.

wolfsDad on April 4, 2012 at 12:07 AM

Well said.

Rusty Allen on April 4, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Thanks.

Nom de Boom on April 4, 2012 at 12:07 AM

Nom de Boom on April 4, 2012 at 12:06 AM

I’ll second that.

4Grace on April 4, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Agreed. Canopfor’s been posting like this for years. AP, please reconsider. I can’t tell you the number of times canopfor’s links have added new dimension to posts around here. The OT stuff is almost always helpful. We’ve got too many trolls around here to be putting an old hand in moderation.

Nom de Boom on April 4, 2012 at 12:06 AM

No need to worry. He’s back!:)

GOPRanknFile on April 4, 2012 at 12:09 AM

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