Obama calls the Ryan plan a “Trojan horse”

posted at 9:50 am on April 3, 2012 by Tina Korbe

The president’s own budget failed the House by a unanimous vote, while the Paul Ryan budget maneuvered through the lower chamber by a vote of 228 to 191. Yet, the president still plans to criticize the Ryan plan with searing words that don’t actually address the ideas in the budget:

In a speech the president is set to deliver on Tuesday to the Associated Press Annual Luncheon, given in front of newspaper executives, the president offers a sharp attack against the Wisconsin Republican’s budget plan.

“It’s a Trojan horse. Disguised as deficit reduction plan, it’s really an attempt to impose a radical vision on our country,” Obama is expected to say, according to excerpts released to National Journal. “It’s nothing but thinly veiled social Darwinism.”

He continues the stern attack: “It’s antithetical to our entire history as a land of opportunity and upward mobility for everyone who’s willing to work for it – a place where prosperity doesn’t trickle down from the top, but grows outward from the heart of the middle class.”

Elsewhere in the speech, he’ll sound a little more specific. He’ll say the Ryan plan guts “education and training; research and development.” He’ll chalk the debt up to “two wars, two massive tax cuts and an unprecedented financial crisis.” He’ll neglect to mention that the chief drivers of the debt have been and will continue to be unsustainable entitlement programs. Medicare spending, for example, is adding to future deficits faster than any other program spending. Even the chairmen of his own fiscal commission acknowledge that health care spending is the biggest debt threat — and that the debt is the biggest threat to the country, in general. The president will also neglect to mention his own plan for entitlement reform — because he doesn’t have one. So far, his primary deficit and debt reduction idea has been to raise taxes on the wealthy — but tax rates would have to double to pay for entitlements. Somehow, these facts never make it into the president’s speeches.

Like his speech in Osawatomie, Kan., and his State of the Union address, the president will talk about an economy that’s “built to last,” but he won’t explain how to create that economy. Just more partisan, plan-less rhetoric from the president …


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The irony is thick with this one. At least his signature legislation wasn’t a trojan horse…or something.

search4truth on April 3, 2012 at 9:52 AM

A fright train through senior homes across America.

A disaster budget of enormous proportion

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

he literally nauseates me.

screwauger on April 3, 2012 at 9:54 AM

JugEars signature legislation was a Trojan Condom…for the American public!

KOOLAID2 on April 3, 2012 at 9:54 AM

He’ll say the Ryan plan guts “education and training; research and development.”

Right, cuz more Solyndra-type investments are exactly what this country needs.

Doughboy on April 3, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Somehow, these facts never make it into the president’s speeches.

That’s because the Left feels that facts are raaacist!

cicerone on April 3, 2012 at 9:55 AM

…it’s really an attempt to impose a radical vision on our country…

And let me tall ya’, 0bama knows radical.

cozmo on April 3, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Ryan’s budget protects the old at the expense of the young, the rich at the expense of the poor. Give it whatever name you want, justify it however you like, but there is no denying what that budget actually does.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM

A fright train through senior homes across America.

A disaster budget of enormous proportion

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

You have gotten it backwards. Obamacare is the fright train destined to wreck our economy and our healthcare system. Obama has already done a rather tidy job in taking this country to its knees with an unprecedented debt and… well, so many flaws it’s hard to enumerate them….

chai on April 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM

A fright train through senior homes across America.

A disaster budget of enormous proportion

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

You’re right. Obama is looking out for old folks.

(Well, aside from that half a trillion cut from Medicare.)

Doughboy on April 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

But y’all think death panels are the answer.

Bless your heart.

cozmo on April 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM

A fright train through senior homes across America.

A disaster budget of enormous proportion

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

You do know HotAir doesn’t give badges for the being the stupidest commenter on every article, right?

You might try Huffington Post…I’m pretty sure you would get a nice badge over there.

HumpBot Salvation on April 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM

I bet this LAN gets more votes then BO’s budget hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
What a idiot

Conservative4ev on April 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM

You have gotten it backwards. Obamacare is the fright train destined to wreck our economy and our healthcare system. Obama has already done a rather tidy job in taking this country to its knees with an unprecedented debt and… well, so many flaws it’s hard to enumerate them….

chai on April 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Based on what you just said explain to me why he is beating Willard by DOUBLE DIGITS in swing states

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:58 AM

A fright train through senior homes across America.

A disaster budget of enormous proportion

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

…says the mindless train wreck with a budgeted brain of no proportion.

KOOLAID2 on April 3, 2012 at 9:58 AM

“It’s a Trojan horse. Disguised as deficit reduction plan, it’s really an attempt to impose a radical vision on our country,” Obama is expected to say, according to excerpts released to National Journal. “It’s nothing but thinly veiled social Darwinism.”

I’m guessing the jug-eared traitor doesn’t even know what a Trojan horse is. Otherwise he’d understand that mandating everybody get health insurance is the ultimate attempt to impose a radical vision on my country (Obama is no American and doesn’t deserve the right to call it our country).

Happy Nomad on April 3, 2012 at 9:59 AM

A disaster budget of enormous proportion

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

That’s what the House thought when it voted Obama’s budget down 414-0.

Not a single democrat vote?

itsspideyman on April 3, 2012 at 9:59 AM

A disaster budget of enormous proportion

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

414-0 is a disaster budget. But not headline worthy for the hateful dishonest liberal “Big Media”.

FlaMurph on April 3, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Based on what you just said explain to me why he is beating Willard by DOUBLE DIGITS in swing states

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:58 AM

…you drooled the same thing yesterday…so, you explain it dumb dumb.

KOOLAID2 on April 3, 2012 at 10:00 AM

itsspideyman on April 3, 2012 at 9:59 AM

jinx

FlaMurph on April 3, 2012 at 10:00 AM

A fright train through senior homes across America.

A disaster budget of enormous proportion

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Actually, that freight train was driven by Obama and the Democrats when the took %500 Billion from medicare in order to pay for Obamacare.

What is it about socialism that you like so much? History is littered with this failed economic policy, yet you pine away for it. Strange.

WisRich on April 3, 2012 at 10:00 AM

A fright train through senior homes across America.

A disaster budget of enormous proportion

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Why hasn’t your Democrat Senate passed a budget in over 1,000 days?

Why did Obama’s budget get a bipartisan ZERO votes in the House?

Stop peddling your dishonest crap.

Ryan’s budget protects the old at the expense of the young, the rich at the expense of the poor. Give it whatever name you want, justify it however you like, but there is no denying what that budget actually does.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Why hasn’t your Democrat Senate passed a budget in over 1,000 days?

Why did Obama’s budget get a bipartisan ZERO votes in the House?

Stop peddling your dishonest crap.

Good Lt on April 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM

%500 sb $500

WisRich on April 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Obama only likes solar-powered white elephants. No horses.

RBMN on April 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Ryan’s budget protects the old at the expense of the young, the rich at the expense of the poor. Give it whatever name you want, justify it however you like, but there is no denying what that budget actually does.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM

So I take it then that you advocate the abolishment of Medicare and Social Security(this sparing the young from subsidizing the elderly) as well as Obamacare(which forces young healthy Americans to purchase health insurance)? Also, I can only assume you support massive tax hikes on the upper and middle class in order to redistribute wealth to the poor. Because the top 1 or 2% of Americans don’t have enough money to fund the nanny state Obama seeks.

Doughboy on April 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM

If we had a free press in this country, surely someone would ask him to explain how Paul Ryan’s plan got more votes than his health care plan did, but his is bad and the health care plan is good.

Then, perhaps, they’d ask him how come, in 2 years, he couldn’t get Democrats to vote for his budget?

bflat879 on April 3, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Based on what you just said explain to me why he is beating Willard by DOUBLE DIGITS in swing states

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:58 AM

…your son (lobotomy4life)…is here!
Say hello!

KOOLAID2 on April 3, 2012 at 10:02 AM

A fright train through senior homes across America.

A disaster budget of enormous proportion

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM
You do know HotAir doesn’t give badges for the being the stupidest commenter on every article, right?

You might try Huffington Post…I’m pretty sure you would get a nice badge over there.

HumpBot Salvation on April 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Yeah, except EVERYONE at HuffPo ties for the stupidest commenter every time.

A$$ clowns.

The Honey Badger

The Honey Badger on April 3, 2012 at 10:03 AM

…your son (lobotomy4life)…is here!
Say hello!

KOOLAID2 on April 3, 2012 at 10:02 AM

…that was meant for ernesto!
Sorry.

KOOLAID2 on April 3, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Based on what you just said explain to me why he is beating Willard by DOUBLE DIGITS in swing states

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Obama is a better campaigner than Romney. After all he is the Campaigner in Chief.

Dr Evil on April 3, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Based on what you just said explain to me why he is beating Willard by DOUBLE DIGITS in swing states

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:58 AM

You really think Obama will have a double-digit lead over Mittens in any legit poll(i.e. the kind that doesn’t oversample Dems by 10-15 points) once he’s officially the nominee and the entire Republican and conservative base begins to focus entirely on the failures of the current administration? Especially with gas prices continuing to rise as we approach summer?

Doughboy on April 3, 2012 at 10:04 AM

After ALL these years, you would think that liberals would be able to come up with something more of an argument than “Republicans hate old people and the poor”. Of course, if liberals had their way…we’d ALL be poor, rely on the government for everything, and then when we got old, they would pull the plug on us since we wouldn’t be worth the cost to treat. Very Progressive.

search4truth on April 3, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Does this idiot president not recall what the vote on HIS proposed budget was?

Obamacare is the clear Trojan Horse here.

minnesoter on April 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Doughboy on April 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Should push come to shove, and my generation (I’m 25) be handed the bill for almost a hundred years worth of debt, I would gladly remove every penny from SS and Medicare. Whoever requires assistance from there can enroll in food stamps and Medicaid like rest of the poor. Properly fund those programs through increases in middle and upper class taxes and a reduction in defense spending.

Trust me, should push come to shove, we won’t be forced to pay a tab we didn’t run up ourselves.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Did he say Torjans? Does this mean Sandra Fluke supports the Ryan plan?

NotCoach on April 3, 2012 at 10:07 AM

A fright train through senior homes across America.

A disaster budget of enormous proportion

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Ryan’s budget protects the old at the expense of the young, the rich at the expense of the poor. Give it whatever name you want, justify it however you like, but there is no denying what that budget actually does.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Which is why Obama’s was defeated unanimously, not one voted for Obama’s plan…not one elected office holder, not a single solitary one…almost unprecedented, how out of touch the budget was.
Read it again…not one single vote, not even a vote of support, from any democrat or Republican…not one, what an embarrassing disaster.
Tweak a little of Ryan’s plan, just 18 or 19 votes, and it is a done deal…Obama only needs, oh about, 210 votes to make it viable….
HAHAHAHAHA!!! Hey, maybe the president can present a budget where he can get just 10 or 15 votes…that would be a huge step for him.

right2bright on April 3, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Is it too much to ask that one reporter ask this jerk why he thinks it is that his 1st budget was voted down 97-0 in the senate and his second one voted down 414-0 in the house?

The Count on April 3, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Obama calls the Ryan plan a “Trojan horse”

If only BHO, Sr. had used a Trojan®.

coldwarrior on April 3, 2012 at 10:07 AM

So one lib (ernesto) believes it helps seniors (at the expense of the young), and another (lib4life) believes it will harm them…

Why is incoherence the one enduring hallmark of progressive thought?

spinach.chin on April 3, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Ryan’s budget protects the old at the expense of the young, the rich at the expense of the poor. Give it whatever name you want, justify it however you like, but there is no denying what that budget actually does.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM

So I take it then that you advocate the abolishment of Medicare and Social Security(this sparing the young from subsidizing the elderly) as well as Obamacare(which forces young healthy Americans to purchase health insurance)? Also, I can only assume you support massive tax hikes on the upper and middle class in order to redistribute wealth to the poor. Because the top 1 or 2% of Americans don’t have enough money to fund the nanny state Obama seeks.

Doughboy on April 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Well, Ernesto? (run away, run away)

Vince on April 3, 2012 at 10:08 AM

The president will also neglect to mention his own plan for entitlement reform — because he doesn’t have one.

What’s the liberals and statists plan for reducing the crushing debt and deficits in this country? More demagoguery and blame shifting? Huh, liberals, what is it? These intellectual brainstems can neither define problems, nor develop coherent plans to address them–they can merely finger point and blameshift.

..and they think of themselves as “intellectual“.

Pfft.

Where’s your plan, liberal?

ted c on April 3, 2012 at 10:09 AM

A fright train through senior homes across America.

A disaster budget of enormous proportion

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Ryan’s budget protects the old at the expense of the young, the rich at the expense of the poor.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Looks as though the left hasn’t got their talking points straight just yet . . .

NoDonkey on April 3, 2012 at 10:09 AM

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Very liberal of you. Take people who have paid and do have a contract then lump them with people who haven’t paid and only take.

You and 0bama were made for each other.

cozmo on April 3, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Obama’s War on Trojans

faraway on April 3, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Ryan’s budget protects the old at the expense of the young, the rich at the expense of the poor. Give it whatever name you want, justify it however you like, but there is no denying what that budget actually does.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM

You see, us Republicans have killed all of our grand parents and parents, and we have killed all of our children, and we have purged the poor from our ranks…we only have middle aged, wealthy people who are Republicans…that is why we hate all others, btw, we also hate the environment, we never go out of doors…gee you finally exposed us.

right2bright on April 3, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Obama is jealous because he’s the one that is using the Trojan Horse tactic.

ted c on April 3, 2012 at 10:11 AM

“It’s a Trojan horse. Disguised as deficit reduction plan, it’s really an attempt to impose a radical vision on our country,” Obama is expected to say, according to excerpts released to National Journal. “It’s nothing but thinly veiled social Darwinism.”

He continues the stern attack: “It’s antithetical to our entire history as a land of opportunity and upward mobility for everyone who’s willing to work for it – a place where prosperity doesn’t trickle down from the top, but grows outward from the heart of the middle class.”

Our President is a shameless liar with a eurasian relationship to historical facts. We have always been at war with eastasia, right Mr. President?

Valkyriepundit on April 3, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Does Obama’s budget is a subsidized commuter train through a nursery.

forest on April 3, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Doughboy on April 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM

ernesto has a point this is an election year- all politics all the time. Ryan is a policy wonk – he looks impressive, because he’s the tallest midget in a room full of midgets. Romney doesn’t need Ryan taint on him. Romney is already polling behind Obama, in swing states.

If I was Romney I would tell Ryan “Go away kid you bother me”

Dr Evil on April 3, 2012 at 10:11 AM

But still no viable plan of his own.

Obama’s a leftist counterpuncher. Working against the Man. Fighting the System. And now that HE’S the “Man”, he has nothing. He’s failing the country, over and over again. If the US dollar wasn’t the world’s reserve currency, because of our stable political system, we’d be Greece. We’d be Greece today. $5T added to our debt in just 3 years. It’s shameful. Obama should be ashamed of himself.

Paul-Cincy on April 3, 2012 at 10:11 AM

cozmo on April 3, 2012 at 10:09 AM

We’ve taken nothing. Prior generations wrote bad contracts, promising themselves too much in relation to what they paid. That’s not my mistake, that’s theirs, and they will pay for it.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Ryan’s budget protects the old at the expense of the young

And when you’re old you will decry the youngsters stealing your rightful benefits.

Welcome to the United States of Entitlements, you wanted it and you got it.

Bishop on April 3, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Should push come to shove, and my generation (I’m 25) be handed the bill for almost a hundred years worth of debt, I would gladly remove every penny from SS and Medicare. Whoever requires assistance from there can enroll in food stamps and Medicaid like rest of the poor. Properly fund those programs through increases in middle and upper class taxes and a reduction in defense spending.

Trust me, should push come to shove, we won’t be forced to pay a tab we didn’t run up ourselves.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Oh good. You did answer the question. You also confirmed your lack of economic intelligence and confirmed that you’re selfish and willing to be a slave to government so you don’t have to think for yourself.

Vince on April 3, 2012 at 10:14 AM

We’ve taken nothing.
ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:11 AM

au contraire simple one. You sponges are the one’s who elected the socialists that piled up this debt.

cozmo on April 3, 2012 at 10:16 AM

A Trojan reference from the POSOTUS who screws every American over?

This POS has NO shame.

He needs to join Stalin in histories ash heap in the worst way!

insidiator on April 3, 2012 at 10:16 AM

We’ve taken nothing. Prior generations wrote bad contracts, promising themselves too much in relation to what they paid. That’s not my mistake, that’s theirs, and they will pay for it.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:11 AM

It’s called a Ponzi scheme, how did the people paying into SS or Medicare, know that the government was planning on them dying either before or shortly after they collected any of the benefits they paid into? How did people know that the legislative branch of the U.S. government would raid the Social Security fund?

Dr Evil on April 3, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Please people. No matter who you supported in the primaries, show up and vote against the enemy Obama in November. This is what we can expect if we don’t:

“What really excites me about [an Obama re-election] is that a U.S. president has only two terms,” Tatyana Ali, an Obama-boosting actress, says in a video on the African-American section of Obama’s campaign website.

“In the second term, it’s on, because we don’t have to worry about re-election,” says a laughing Ali, whose video was produced by Black Entertainment TV.

link

We cannot win by losing. At the very least, vote against the enemy for the supreme court alone. Its our future at stake and the future of our children.

jazzmo on April 3, 2012 at 10:16 AM

ernesto has a point this is an election year- all politics all the time. Ryan is a policy wonk – he looks impressive, because he’s the tallest midget in a room full of midgets. Romney doesn’t need Ryan taint on him. Romney is already polling behind Obama, in swing states.

If I was Romney I would tell Ryan “Go away kid you bother me”

Dr Evil on April 3, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Why do you say this?

Vince on April 3, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Prior generations wrote bad contracts, promising themselves too much in relation to what they paid. That’s not my mistake, that’s theirs, and they will pay for it.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:11 AM

While I disagree vehemently with Ernesto’s politics, I don’t consider him an idiot. What he said here is quite true.

Bat Chain Puller on April 3, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Ryan’s budget protects the old at the expense of the young

Medicare
Social Security
ObamaCare

If you have a problem with this arrangement, just remember that it was YOUR PARTY who willed it into being.

Good Lt on April 3, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Should push come to shove, and my generation (I’m 25) be handed the bill for almost a hundred years worth of debt, I would gladly remove every penny from SS and Medicare. Whoever requires assistance from there can enroll in food stamps and Medicaid like rest of the poor. Properly fund those programs through increases in middle and upper class taxes and a reduction in defense spending.

Trust me, should push come to shove, we won’t be forced to pay a tab we didn’t run up ourselves.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM

So you’re admitting I was right? Damn, I was just kidding. Not about the plan which, let’s face it, is the only way to realistically deal with the debt crisis, but that you’d openly support it.

I won’t say this very often, but I agree with you, ernesto. Social Security and Medicare will eventually have to be phased out of existence, and taxes will inevitably have to be raised on virtually everyone above the poverty line. Defense spending is irrelevant since it’s already on pace to be gutted.

Here’s the problem with this plan. It’s impossible to sell politically. The Democrats refuse to cut any spending, even a damn cowboy poetry festival in Nevada. Seniors will rebel against anyone who dares to even hint at eliminating or cutting entitlements, even if people 65 or older are explicitly exempted(as Ryan’s plan does). And young people….well, I honestly don’t know know what most of them are thinking since they’re gonna be ones forced to bankroll this monstrosity, yet a majority of them keep supporting the party that’s sticking them with the bill.

Which means we’ll just have to march forward to our inevitable doom and let the financial collapse of an unsustainable system force us to institute the necessary reforms. Only by then, it’ll be too late and it could take us generations to recover.

Doughboy on April 3, 2012 at 10:18 AM

We’ve taken nothing. Prior generations wrote bad contracts, promising themselves too much in relation to what they paid. That’s not my mistake, that’s theirs, and they will pay for it.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:11 AM

I’m sorry, but you really are an idiot. Our predecessors put in place health and retirement benefit ponzi schemes, so your solution is not to fix them but to allow them to run into bankruptcy on the basis that you think that the fallout will be contained within them and not destroy our fiscal and monetary system?

The Count on April 3, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Trojan Man!

Rusty Allen on April 3, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Whatever negative thing a Democrat says they are actually referring to something they have done.

Take the Obama quote above and just imaging he is talking about his own proposal(if he had one…)

albill on April 3, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Prior generationsDemocrat administrations and Congresses wrote bad contracts,

FTFY

promising themselves too much in relation to what they paid.

Public sector unions, call your offices. ernesto the rightwing lunatic is coming for your honey pot.

That’s not my mistake, that’s theirs, and they will pay for it.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:11 AM

EVIL HITLER TEABAGGER!

Good Lt on April 3, 2012 at 10:21 AM

This reminds me – when do we get our vote on the balanced budget amendment that Harry Reid agreed to with the debt ceiling deal?

The Count on April 3, 2012 at 10:21 AM

So what’s YOUR plan Mr President? Oh, that’s right, Little Timmy Geithner let slip “We don’t have a plan, we just don’t like yours!”

GarandFan on April 3, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Mr. Obamao, where is your budget…what? Voted down in a totally bi-partisan move 414-0? Obamao has nothing but redistribution to the weak and the lazy to prop him up. The problem is that %48 of citizens have no stake in the game and they don’t care if Obamao steals from the other half to support them.

Doomsday on April 3, 2012 at 10:21 AM

How appropriate the Marxist community organizer chose a subversive organization like the Associated Press to unleash this rhetoric…

d1carter on April 3, 2012 at 10:21 AM

“It’s a Trojan horse. Disguised as deficit reduction plan, it’s really an attempt to impose a radical vision on our country,”

Looks like Obama got the wrong text on the TOTUS. Those were meant for the ears of his cabinet when pitching his own budget request.

BobMbx on April 3, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Ryan: I have a budget that got 228 votes

Obama: I have two budgets that got no votes

Congressional Democrats: What’s a budget?

Clearly -if you live in the bizarro world – Ryan is the one who is being irresponsible and out of touch.

RadClown on April 3, 2012 at 10:22 AM

$3.8 trillion in Federal spending is not enough, even when over $1.3 trillion of it is borrowed?

And Federal spending increases less than what Zero wants are evil “social Darwinism” and a “Trojan Horse”?

He’s repackaging and repeating the populist arguments and anti-capitalism propaganda the socialists and communists used in the 1920′s and 30′s.

Obama’s rhetoric is already getting stark, shrill, and panicky.

Imagine what it will be like in September and October. He might even accidentally blurt out “capitalist pigs” once or twice — I hope, I hope.

Obama seems determined to present two stark choices to the electorate — you can either vote for:

1)evil greedy selfish “you’re on your own” free market capitalism and the “rich” or;

2)enlightened caring collectivist Big Government socialism and wealth redistribution.

This could be a good thing. The socialists usually try to disguise their agenda and their unbounded hatred of capitalism, market based economics, and the “rich”.

farsighted on April 3, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Paul Ryan, or any other Republican can come out with 30 separate
plans…does not matter. Our so called Republican leaders in DC
hide under their desks all day, every day. Nothing they ever
propose gets Backed up in the media arena…so the President
can trash the hell out of anything they propose.

Tip for our Cojones deprived Republicans in DC. Tune into
the Today Show today to see a gal named Sarah Palin B-SLAP
Matty Lauer and Co. while calling this President’s policies
SOCIALIST. That is how it’s done.

ToddPA on April 3, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Trust me, should push come to shove, we won’t be forced to pay a tab we didn’t run up ourselves.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Yes, you will be.

Welcome to your utopia.

SHARED SACRIFICE, BROTHER.

You can’t force these policies on the nation and then pretend you’re exempted from them just because you supported their creation.

You, too, will pay.

Good Lt on April 3, 2012 at 10:24 AM

A fright train through senior homes across America.

A disaster budget of enormous proportion

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

But enough about 0bama’s budget proposal, which was voted down UNANIMOUSLY in the house, 0 – 414.

UltimateBob on April 3, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Trust me, should push come to shove, we won’t be forced to pay a tab we didn’t run up ourselves.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM

No, but you will use the roads we built, the hospitals we built, the bridges, dams, we built…you 25 yr. olds don’t get it…all you see around you, a successful, entrepreneurial spirit built, not the government…they taxes successful businesses, and we built the infrastructure.
The fact is…you are forced to continue progress, while living on the “tab” that we ran up…your good life, is from our hard work, and now we are demanding hard work from you.
You don’t like 60 hour weeks, with one week of vacation? Tough…you don’t like starting at $2 an hour and working your way up? Tough…that is what you will have to do.
But you want to sit back and have the government provide for you…well if they do, than you have to pay and give, and I know from your posts, you are not ready to give/pay/work…

right2bright on April 3, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Isn’t it always the case: jackasses jealous of horses.

EMD on April 3, 2012 at 10:25 AM

What a maroon

cmsinaz on April 3, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Let’s see Mr. President, Paul Ryan’s budget passed the House. And would get at least 47 votes in the Senate. Your plan did not get 1 vote in the House, even from the brain-dead Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

You are correct though Mr. President, it is a trojan horse. Unlike, say Obamacare, which is solid legislation that will improve the deficit situation.

milcus on April 3, 2012 at 10:25 AM

It is too bad the Obama doesn’t understand irony. It is also interesting how Obama is mimicking history to a tee. Roosevelt anyone?

upinak on April 3, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Ryan’s budget protects the old at the expense of the young, the rich at the expense of the poor. Give it whatever name you want, justify it however you like, but there is no denying what that budget actually does.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Lefty malcontents like yourself would have a little more credibility if you didn’t make that same tired argument on every issue. In the end, class warfare is a loser in this country.

cicerone on April 3, 2012 at 10:26 AM

If Ryan’s plan is a Trojan Horse, then Obama and his plan will fit in a reservoir tip.

collections.

ted c on April 3, 2012 at 10:26 AM

but there is no denying what that budget actually does.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM

I deny it and I haven’t read it.

Just like those lefties promoted what Obamacare would do, but didn’t read it.

turnabout fair play.

ted c on April 3, 2012 at 10:27 AM

collections.

ted c on April 3, 2012 at 10:26 AM

no, the government gets enough of my taxes. Obama doesn’t need more for he frivolous vacations.

upinak on April 3, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Ryan’s budget protects the old at the expense of the young, the rich at the expense of the poor.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Could you provide us a direct comparison between Ryan’s budget of last year and Obama’s and then do the same for this year’s versions,Ernesto ?

Are you even aware of who was on the original debt “Super Commitee ?” Erskine~Bowles, etc ? Are you even aware that Ryan’s and Obama’s budget virtually parallel each other except with respect to the length of time before the budget is balanced ?

Here’s a clue:

Discretionary Working Group

Rep. Spratt and Sen. Coburn

Members:
Sen. Coburn
Dave Cote
Sen. Durbin
Ann Fudge
Rep. Hensarling
Alice Rivlin
Rep. Ryan
Rep. Schakowsky
Rep. Spratt

Mandatory Working Group

Sen. Baucus
Rep. Becerra
Rep. Camp
Sen. Coburn
Sen. Conrad
Sen. Crapo
Sen. Gregg
Rep. Hensarling
Alice Rivlin
Rep. Ryan
Rep. Schakowsky
Rep. Spratt
Andy Stern

Tax Reform Group

Rep. Camp and Sen. Conrad
Members:
Sen. Baucus
Rep. Becerra
Rep. Camp
Sen. Conrad
Dave Cote
Sen. Crapo
Sen. Durbin
Ann Fudge
Sen. Gregg
Andy Stern

Here is the ststaed purpose of this commission BY OBAMAS EO :

President Obama created the bipartisan National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform to address our nation’s fiscal challenges. The Commission is charged with identifying policies to improve the fiscal situation in the medium term and to achieve fiscal sustainability over the long run. Specifically, the Commission shall propose recommendations designed to balance the budget, excluding interest payments on the debt, by 2015.

Guess what they recommended ?

Right, cut the budget by 4 trillion.Raise some taxes.

Guess what Obama decided to do ?

Punt and blame others. So typical of him. He’s the poster child for Personal Irresponsibility. And if you want validation, ask Moody’s or S and P. Now you know why he will be forever known as President Downgrade.

Want more? He signed onto tax cut relief yet again.

Someone stick a fork in Ernesto. He’s done.

DevilsPrinciple on April 3, 2012 at 10:28 AM

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM

The “rich” don’t have enough money to pay for it all, regardless of what programs you think need to be “properly funded”. And aside from the middle class being the American dream and economic engine in this country, because by the time all this comes to pass YOU will be a part of the middle class you currently hate so much, and will not be so supportive of taxing yourself then.

Assuming of course you decide to work hard and sacrifice for a better future, and don’t sit around with a victim mentality not doing anything productive.

KMC1 on April 3, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Obama doesn’t need more for he frivolous vacations.

upinak on April 3, 2012 at 10:28 AM

bite your tongue! Those are entitled time off days for him and a few (dozen) of his amigos. He is merely getting repaid for other vacations that those before him didn’t get to take. Its justice.

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ted c on April 3, 2012 at 10:30 AM

“It’s on.”

jazzmo on April 3, 2012 at 10:30 AM

A fright train through senior homes across America.

liberal4life on April 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

You know, girlfriend. The boy you call President can always man up, and tell us how he’ll fund medicare over the long term.

I don’t think he has it in him. I don’t think his voters have it in them to think the issue through. Just look at you, only capable of being the little monkey, typing out the prepackaged talking point.

Level with us, girlfriend. You’re a Republican plant, aren’t you? No one comes on a right leaning board, picks up the dumbest talking point put forward by the likes of Debbie Wasserman-Hyphen-Poodleperm, and expects to be taken seriously.

MNHawk on April 3, 2012 at 10:30 AM

He’ll say the Ryan plan guts “education and training; research and development.”

Tranlation: We won’t be able to throw money at our abysmal public schools. Or at failed “green” energy rackets.

Good!

NoDonkey on April 3, 2012 at 10:30 AM

While I disagree vehemently with Ernesto’s politics, I don’t consider him an idiot. What he said here is quite true.

Bat Chain Puller on April 3, 2012 at 10:18 AM

See the streets you drive on to get to work, the bridges you cross? The energy grid? Hospitals, schools you were taught in (although by your post not very well), the infrastructure was built the last 50 years…that is us pal.
Now let’s see you work 60 hours weeks, starting at a minium wage and one year vacation…after working one year.
You little spoiled brats are now faced with supporting what we have built for you, and you are facing the fact…you might have to actually go to work, and work hard. Something they may have forgot to explain to you in school…there is no free lunch (no matter how many “free” lunches you ate in school).

right2bright on April 3, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Trust me, should push come to shove, we won’t be forced to pay a tab we didn’t run up ourselves.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Oh, you mean like we were? Those of us who had money deducted from our paychecks our entire working lives? Tell you what, just give me back what I put in and we’ll call it square.

Dee2008 on April 3, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Trust me, should push come to shove, we won’t be forced to pay a tab we didn’t run up ourselves.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Yes you will, unless you move to another country, and become an ex pat. Good luck in choosing any third world politically unstable country that will allow you entrance. I am sure they will have world class healthcare, education, economy etc….

Obamacare has tacked on $1,800 to student loans to pay for the elderly’s health insurance. Obamacare mandates that young healthy people your age buy health insurance to make health insurance accessible to all. Each according to their ability, Each according to their need.

Dr Evil on April 3, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Trust me, should push come to shove, we won’t be forced to pay a tab we didn’t run up ourselves.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Oh, you mean like we were? Those of us who had money deducted from our paychecks our entire working lives? Tell you what, just give me back what I put in and we’ll call it square.

Dee2008 on April 3, 2012 at 10:30 AM

GRIN

You know that wouldn’t be….wait for it….fair LOL!

Dr Evil on April 3, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Ryan’s budget protects the old at the expense of the young

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM

He’s right there. He’s probably not bright enough to realize what he typed, but type it right he did. And exactly the opposite of what tard4ever is saying.

Maybe your President could man up, for once in his life, and actually represent the 99%. Because the young, as a class, are the ones getting screwed most under the current medicare/social security ponzi schemes.

MNHawk on April 3, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Taxpayers: “Obama spent $5 trillion of my money, and all I got was this Hope and Change T-Shirt”

faraway on April 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Properly fund those programs through increases in middle and upper class taxes and a reduction in defense spending.

Trust me, should push come to shove, we won’t be forced to pay a tab we didn’t run up ourselves.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Sorry sport, this is an “eat your peas” moment. That you want others to pay more so that you can pay nothing speaks to your immature age. What really needs to happen is the 50% of you who pay nothing in income taxes should start paying into the system instead of sitting on the sidelines and whining that you don’t get enough from government.

Happy Nomad on April 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Trojan horse? Trojan horse? What do you call that healthcare bill so appropriately named after you bozo? Your own SOTH said, “We have to pass the bill so that you can FIND OUT WHAT IS IN IT!” In other words, “Bring it on in boys, we’ll check it out more tomorrow!”

fbcmusicman on April 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Should push come to shove, and my generation (I’m 25) be handed the bill for almost a hundred years worth of debt, I would gladly remove every penny from SS and Medicare. Whoever requires assistance from there can enroll in food stamps and Medicaid like rest of the poor. Properly fund those programs through increases in middle and upper class taxes and a reduction in defense spending.

Trust me, should push come to shove, we won’t be forced to pay a tab we didn’t run up ourselves.

ernesto on April 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM

And you will “shove back” how exactly, by walking in circles, holding cute little signs and chanting inane slogans?

Because the Chinese are really impressed by that stuff.

NoDonkey on April 3, 2012 at 10:37 AM

I was born in 1950 and didn’t get to vote until 1972. I developed a disdain for the government because of the Vietnam war. I felt the government was made up of a bunch of cowards that would go wichever way the wind blew.

The government has created program after program and tax after tax to fund the election of incumbents. They have money coming in from everywhere and they use it for whatever they promised recently. When the money they’ve been stealing from other programs to pay for their new promises runs out, they must create new programs and taxes to raise more money

They then tell gullible people what they want to hear and that it won’t cost them anything because the rich will pay for it.

Paul Ryan is at least offering a start at changing that and he faces an uphill battle. Somne say he goes too far. Some say he doesn’t go far enough. I say, it’s a start. Even Ernesto should be for this.

Vince on April 3, 2012 at 10:37 AM

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