Did “Government Investment” Make America Great? Obama Thinks So.

posted at 6:45 pm on April 1, 2012 by John Hawkins

Obama said that Republicans have “one message and that is, we’re going to make sure that we cut people’s taxes even more — so that by every objective measure our deficit is worse and we will slash government investments that have made this country great,” he argued, “not because it’s going to balance the budget, but because it’s driven by our ideological vision about how government should be. That’s their agenda, pure and simple.”

You learn a lot from Professor Obama, don’t you? You may have thought the Founding Fathers, who strongly believed in low taxes, small government, and checks and balances to keep politicians from gaining too much power helped make America a great nation. You might give even more credit to the many soldiers who gave their lives for freedom, along with the great American inventors, entrepreneurs, and the masses of decent Americans who worked hard, took care of their families, and pursued the American dream.

Instead, Obama seems to believe this country is great because a bunch of know-it-all politicians confiscated people’s money and “invested” it for them.

Why, just think of all the wonderful “investments” we’ve had since Obama became President. What would we have ever done without the Cash for Clunkers program? What about the loan to Solyndra? We also can’t forget the greatest Obama “investment” of them all, the stimulus bill. The Obama administration said we had to borrow a trillion dollars to create “jobs, jobs, jobs” and keep unemployment under 8%. What did we get out of that “investment?” A bunch of “projects funded by the federal stimulus” road signs? Wow, that was money well spent. Obama might as well have just asked liberals to write “I heart Obama” in toilet stalls across the country. It would have had about the same impact and we could have saved a trillion dollars.

Here’s a newsflash for Barack Obama: government investments didn’t make this country great. The government’s role in America’s greatness was building roads, securing America against enemies foreign and domestic, street lights, a few basic regulations and getting out of everyone’s way. The people did all the rest and the very fact that Obama is lolling around the White House, thinking that he’s responsible for America’s greatness because he’s confiscating money from people who’ve earned it and doling it out to a bunch of bureaucrats, campaign contributors, and wasteful government programs is as galling as it as foolish.

John Hawkins is a professional writer who runs Right Wing News and Linkiest. He’s also the co-owner of the The Looking Spoon. You can hear more from John Hawkins on Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, G+, You Tube, & at PJ Media.


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Amen to the hilt !

pambi on April 1, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Second ??

pambi on April 1, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Being in charge of government, and responsible for the “great” things the government does, which “makes America great”, humility is not one of Obama’s problems. Maybe it’s not about you, Obama. Even, maybe you’re the problem!

Paul-Cincy on April 1, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Hawkins is a professional internet writer…a job that would be impossible without government money creating the internet. The irony runs strong with this one!

AngusMc on April 1, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Dufus Of The United States.

DOTUS

HotAirian on April 1, 2012 at 6:51 PM

LOL .. I KNOW I can’t break any record, here.

pambi on April 1, 2012 at 6:51 PM

is as galling as it as foolish.

Understatement.

bazil9 on April 1, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Not just America, but the whole world. Imagine no Internet or no space exploration.

lester on April 1, 2012 at 6:53 PM

You learn a lot from Professor Lecturer Obama,

FIFY

Dingbat63 on April 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Why isn’t the border secured…?

Seven Percent Solution on April 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

“… is as galling as it as foolish.”

Too bad this isn’t an election year…

… or this would make one devastating ad against Obowma and the Democrats in general.

What…?

… oh.

Seven Percent Solution on April 1, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Of course it did. You can ask the millions of Americans in Michigan if you don’t believe him.
Left to the out of touch, I was happy when my father moved a manufacturing plant from Michigan to Wisconsin, I now have a private elevator for my cars Romney, these folks would be on the unemployment line right now.

Uppereastside on April 1, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Hawkins is a professional internet writer…a job that would be impossible without government money creating the internet. The irony runs strong with this one!

AngusMc on April 1, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Understanding that fact requires some level of critical thinking which is way beyond the author.

lester on April 1, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Odd that he constantly runs down and disparages the highway infrastructure in this country.

It’s a legit role of government, and it’s pretty darned impressive.

So naturally Obama says it sucks.

forest on April 1, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Hawkins is a professional internet writer…a job that would be impossible without government money creating the internet. The irony runs strong with this one!

AngusMc on April 1, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Angus, Angus, Angus…..I’m sure you believe Al Gore invented the Internet as well.

The “Internet” as we know it today happened because the government got out of the “Internet” business. It kept some domains (.gov) for itself, but frankly, it wasn’t going to go anywhere while under government control.

It was companies that started e-commerce, multimedia delivery and a whole bunch of other things that made the Internet attractive to consumers. Otherwise, it would just be connecting governmental agencies and university research departments.

In particular, porn caused the Internet to explode. It had to figure out how to deliver content. How to get paid for that content.

It was E-bay. It was PayPal. The “It was” list can go on and on, listing the businesses that made the Internet.

Try to keep up with reality, instead of fantasy.

ProfShadow on April 1, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Why isn’t the border secured…?

Seven Percent Solution on April 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

And what….
Deny others the chance to witness the awesomeness that is…
Barrack

Electrongod on April 1, 2012 at 7:00 PM

AngusMc on April 1, 2012 at 6:51 PM
lester on April 1, 2012 at 6:53 PM
Uppereastside on April 1, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Yawn, next up.

arnold ziffel on April 1, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Of course it did. You can ask the millions of Americans in Michigan if you don’t believe him.
Left to the out of touch, I was happy when my father moved a manufacturing plant from Michigan to Wisconsin, I now have a private elevator for my cars Romney, these folks would be on the unemployment line right now.

Uppereastside on April 1, 2012 at 6:56 PM

How many do you employ at the Dry Cleaners, George.

RickB on April 1, 2012 at 7:01 PM

If he actually believes this bunk he’s not simply incompetent . . . he’s very dangerous.

rplat on April 1, 2012 at 7:01 PM

“The government’s role in America’s greatness was building roads, securing America against enemies foreign and domestic, street lights, a few basic regulations and getting out of everyone’s way.”

If we’re talking about the Federal government, which Obama always is, you could cross off the roads and streetlights, which were built at the state and local level for most of our history. In fact, you could cross off most of the things liberals list when someone brings up Federal tax cuts: firemen, policemen, libraries, public utilities, schools, and power line infrastructure.

The government taking credit for the current internet and its associated technologies is like the guy who invented the ball bearing taking credit for the entire transportation industry.

tbrosz on April 1, 2012 at 7:01 PM

It was a great people that made America great, and plenty of land to spread out. The Constitution helped, but many countries have good-sounding constitutions. Without a great people, a constitution is just paper.

It wasn’t “government investment” that made America great. Obama does nothing but harm.

But it wasn’t neocons, a giant military and wars on the far side of the world that made America great either. The Republicans are not perfect, just better than Democrats.

David Blue on April 1, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Both parties have been negligent in encouraging mass illegal immigration. That’s the negation of America’s real sources of greatness: great people and lots of land for them.

David Blue on April 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM

The main point of this post is spot on, but in all fairness, there were such things as the Louisiana and Alaska Purchases.

bgoldman on April 1, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Angus, Angus, Angus…..I’m sure you believe Al Gore invented the Internet as well.

The “Internet” as we know it today happened because the government got out of the “Internet” business. It kept some domains (.gov) for itself, but frankly, it wasn’t going to go anywhere while under government control.

It was companies that started e-commerce, multimedia delivery and a whole bunch of other things that made the Internet attractive to consumers. Otherwise, it would just be connecting governmental agencies and university research departments.

In particular, porn caused the Internet to explode. It had to figure out how to deliver content. How to get paid for that content.

It was E-bay. It was PayPal. The “It was” list can go on and on, listing the businesses that made the Internet.

Try to keep up with reality, instead of fantasy.

ProfShadow on April 1, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Porn, ebay, blah blah blah. All of that only came to exist because of the original military network that has now become the internet. The internet is a great example of an industry which gained from initial government investment (as is GPS). Could the internet have arisen without government investment? Perhaps. Businesses don’t often like to invest in unproven technologies that have a long payback period and are high risk.

kkaneff79 on April 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Can we revoke his citizenship? After we get the SCOAMF out of the White House, of course.

platypus on April 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Government investment—oxymoron

msupertas on April 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

It was a great people that made America great, and plenty of land to spread out. The Constitution helped, but many countries have good-sounding constitutions. Without a great people, a constitution is just paper.

It wasn’t “government investment” that made America great. Obama does nothing but harm.

But it wasn’t neocons, a giant military and wars on the far side of the world that made America great either. The Republicans are not perfect, just better than Democrats.

David Blue on April 1, 2012 at 7:02 PM

You should listen to this.

RickB on April 1, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Liberals excel in taking credit for other people’s work. That is why they now take credit for the work of millions of people who were exercising their right to free and open exchange by mutual consent while condemning the system that made it possible.

Grunt on April 1, 2012 at 7:09 PM

Without a prompter he’s just a dummy. He’s also a devious and destructive one.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 7:10 PM

“I hear your swimming pool is getting low on water, here’s a bucket of water for it”.

“Great! You better hurry and put it in, your bucket has a leak. Where did you get the water from?”

“The other end of your pool”.

“Doh!”

crosspatch on April 1, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Invest We Much!

forest on April 1, 2012 at 7:12 PM

What little grip on reality Obama has is fading fast.

VorDaj on April 1, 2012 at 7:15 PM

The only thing that the ‘taxpayers’ investments helped was foto’s not the US! I just wonder how much money bho/mo/jarrett/team have socked away since bho was elected? Call me nuts, but just look at what bho has done in less than four years to our Republic?
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letget on April 1, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Can we revoke his citizenship? After we get the SCOAMF out of the White House, of course.

platypus on April 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

What citizenship? His world citizenship?

VorDaj on April 1, 2012 at 7:17 PM

pambi broke a record – is more stupid than liberal4life.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 7:19 PM

ObamaCare investment will = 16th century medicine at a 24th century price. Maybe Obama could invest in a brain and a clue. What a stupid man.

VorDaj on April 1, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Internet…..

yes.

TCP model

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:19 PM

What little grip on reality Obama has is fading fast.
VorDaj on April 1, 2012 at 7:15 PM

I’d say the obsession and derangement of hotgasians is spiraling out of control.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 1, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Who funded the creation of the internet?

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:20 PM

I’d say the obsession and derangement of hotgasians is spiraling out of control.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 1, 2012 at 7:20 PM

And I’d say you have all the intelligence and wit of a potted plant.

VorDaj on April 1, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Didn’t he say that once already?

Glenn Jericho on April 1, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Didn’t he say that once already?

Glenn Jericho on April 1, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Maybe it is worth repeating?

Without the government this website would not exist.

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Government doesn’t create wealth. It creates the incinerators that burn wealth, making everyone that’s not working in government poorer.

RBMN on April 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Without the government this website would not exist.

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Pardon me but has anyone told you today that you’re full of crap. If not let me be first.

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:28 PM

In fairness, in the 19th century, government (sometimes state, sometimes federal) subsidies and investments in various transportation projects, from the Erie Canal through the land grants to the first transcontinental railroads played an important, if not decisive, role in these enterprises.

CatoRenasci on April 1, 2012 at 7:28 PM

This is the meme Team Obama truly hopes will carry it to victory in November.

America will never be great again because the means of production will end up solidly in the hands of the Republicans and their friends — the fat-cat bankers, monopolists and Koch brothers.

The underlying message is that unless we all vote for Obama, “government” will have to shut down, be cut back, and millions will starve, die needlessly, be unable to take care of themselves (and their children) (and their elderly parents) (and the children) and it is all because of the greed and avarice of those nasty nasty terrible Republicans.

An intelligent, thinking person, who has ever actually had to meet a payroll, or has held a real job, actually made something and became an entrepreneur and sold what he/she made successfully, understands what a crock this latest Team Obama meme really is.

But…the village idiots united in 2008 to elect this guy to stop racism in America.

Team Obama is banking on them to get the vote out for Obama in 2012…same village idiots.

God Save the Republic!

coldwarrior on April 1, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Its all about “walking around money” and who gets to hand it out…

Expanding the Dimocrat power base at the expense of the wage earners…

Khun Joe on April 1, 2012 at 7:28 PM

If he actually believes this bunk he’s not simply incompetent . . . he’s very dangerous.

rplat on April 1, 2012 at 7:01 PM

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I can assure you that Ø wants everyone of his supporters to believe it, whether he does not not.

ExpressoBold on April 1, 2012 at 7:29 PM

I can assure you that Ø wants everyone of his supporters to believe it, whether he does not not.

ExpressoBold on April 1, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Well so far he’s got that liberal4 chick and a couple of others. Not batting a very high average. I doubt that he could convince AlGore.

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Without the government this website would not exist.

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Wrong wrong wrong. Without DARPA, this website would not exist. If government had its way now, this website would not exist either. It’s funny how the “it’s really more complicated than that” crowd fails to see nuance where it really does exist.

gryphon202 on April 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Without the government this website would not exist.

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM

You obtuse creature. It was explained to you yesterday that you are wrong. All of what gov’t does, is tax money earned by producers.

The gov’t produces nothing.

You are slow, and a very slow learner.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Without the government this website would not exist.

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Pardon me but has anyone told you today that you’re full of crap. If not let me be first.

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Are you disputing that it is the US government which funded the creation of the internet?

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Can we call 0bama a died in the wool communist now?

jukin3 on April 1, 2012 at 7:33 PM

“It’s not that they’re wrong; it’s that they know so much that isn’t so!”
… Ronald Reagan.

jaydee_007 on April 1, 2012 at 7:33 PM

If he actually believes this bunk he’s not simply incompetent . . . he’s very dangerous.

rplat on April 1, 2012 at 7:01 PM

.
I can assure you that Ø wants everyone of his supporters to believe it, whether he does not not.

ExpressoBold on April 1, 2012 at 7:29 PM

WOW, truer words have never been spoken. And to think we survived george bush.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on April 1, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Are you disputing that it is the US government which funded the creation of the internet?

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Yep, the government doesn’t fund anything. Taxpayers do. The government only has wealth that it seizes from it’s citizens.

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Wrong wrong wrong. Without DARPA, this website would not exist. If government had its way now, this website would not exist either. It’s funny how the “it’s really more complicated than that” crowd fails to see nuance where it really does exist.

gryphon202 on April 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP/IP_model

Get a degree in computer engineering or science before you start speaking.

You have no clue about the history of the internet.

By the way DARPA is a government agency.

“The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is an agency of the United States Department of Defense responsible for the development of new technology for use by the military.”

source Wikipedia

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Are you disputing that it is the US government which funded the creation of the internet?

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Are you disputing that it was private individuals such as Leonard Kleinrock and Tim Berners-Lee without whom the government couldn’t have done jack?

gryphon202 on April 1, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Trying to enlighten her is like trying to teach a gnat the theory of relativity.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 7:36 PM

How much money did the Government invest in MicroSoft? Apple? MacDonalds? How many patents does the Government own? Tell me how many on this list produce anything that is taxable.
http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/index.shtml

mixplix on April 1, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Without the government this website would not exist.

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Pardon me but has anyone told you today that you’re full of crap. If not let me be first.

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Are you disputing that it is the US government which funded the creation of the internet?

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM

What the Federal Government funded for Military Communicatons in the event of an Emergency and what we call the internet today are so dissimilar as to not even be worthy of mention.

But yes, the Federal Government did fund a small token ring system for maintining communications of Military mainfraimes with some University mainframes.

Average folks, however, contributed to, and guided in a comepletely different direction the Vast Network of communications called the internet.

jaydee_007 on April 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM

If government had planned and developed the “internet” we’d all have tube-technology wired devices set up oin major government labs, connected by hard wire landlines and have to wait several minutes to an hour for a message to be posted…like it was in the early days when ARPA and a handful of college labs and a few private contractors got together to utilize “wasted” ether to send servicing messages in between formatted programmed data, which was being transmitted as part of a larger government program.

coldwarrior on April 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM

You have no clue about the history of the internet.

We have more clues than you’ll ever have.

The idea is not that “the defense dept. created the internet…bla, bla, bla…”

The overarching idea is that NO gov’t produces squat.

All the funds come from real producers, something you will NEVER be, you lazy azz, and cheater of your employer, and of the taxpayers.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Trying to enlighten her is like trying to teach a gnat the theory of relativity.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 7:36 PM

I’m not trying to enlighten her.

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM

NO WAIT!!!!

I thought that AlGore gave us the internet.

jukin3 on April 1, 2012 at 7:39 PM

But yes, the Federal Government taxpayers did fund a small token ring system for maintining communications of Military mainfraimes with some University mainframes.

jaydee_007 on April 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Gratis

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Average folks, however, contributed to, and guided in a comepletely different direction the Vast Network of communications called the internet.

jaydee_007 on April 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM

It made no sense for the private sector to invest in the military because it was deemed as something which would be only used for military purpose. After the government funded the entire project and became successful then the wolves started coming out of the woods!

Don’t let you anti-government HATE cloud the truth.

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:40 PM

I’m not trying to enlighten her.

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM

“snort”

All them sawn-off 2×4′s.

Not enough time.

:-)

coldwarrior on April 1, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Businesses don’t often like to invest in unproven technologies that have a long payback period and are high risk.

kkaneff79 on April 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Tell that to Thomas Edison…

Seven Percent Solution on April 1, 2012 at 7:42 PM

After the government taxpayers funded the entire project and became successful…

Don’t let you(r) anti-government HATE stupidity cloud the truth.

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Don’t let you anti-government HATE cloud the truth.

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Nothing gets through to you does it. I’m guessing that your skull is pure neutronium. That’s about the only way you could be that dense.

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Tell that to Thomas Edison…

Seven Percent Solution on April 1, 2012 at 7:42 PM

They’re not the sharpest bulbs.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 7:45 PM

As long as they are all gathered here in one spot, why don’t we spray ‘em with a little DDT and see what happens? The world might thank us later but we’d be teaching them something now!

ExpressoBold on April 1, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Get a degree in computer engineering or science before you start speaking.

You have no clue about the history of the internet.

By the way DARPA is a government agency.

“The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is an agency of the United States Department of Defense responsible for the development of new technology for use by the military.”

source Wikipedia

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:35 PM

I know DARPA is a government agency, dipstick. They haven’t been in control of any piece of the internet since 1979, when control went to the National Science Research Agency, and the NSRA dropped control of its last IMP in 1989 just before Tim Berners-Lee invented the worldwide web as a private research contractor at CERN.

Leonard Kleinrock received funding from DARPA, but he was not a government employee. Tim Berners-Lee invented the “world wide web” server on his own time in CERN outside of his capacity as a private contractor. Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn invented TCP/IP as DARPA employees, but it was not an independently funded project as the creation of the first IMP’s was.

Butch, I could go on and on, but I’m not real keen on trying to wow you with my knowledge of the history of the internet. The fact that ARPANET was kickstarted with taxpayer dollars does not change the fact that the internet exists as it does today because the American government got the eff out of the way. The backbone of the modern internet consists exclusively of parallel microcomputer routers owned by telecommunication companies, private research firms, and universities. Barring a national catastrophe, there’s no way that government can control how that infrastructure is used — and thank God for that.

gryphon202 on April 1, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Tell that to Thomas Edison…

Seven Percent Solution on April 1, 2012 at 7:42 PM

And those two Wright brothers. They should have just stuck to bicycles.

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:46 PM

ExpressoBold on April 1, 2012 at 7:45 PM

HA w/b deprived of so much entertainment. Just recall, you are the ‘dummy rubes’ and they are ‘enlightened’.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 7:47 PM

gryphon202 on April 1, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Hey you didn’t cite Wiki as a source so obviously you have no credibility. /s

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:48 PM

They should have just stuck to bicycles.

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Dang, what’s wrong with monocycles? :)

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 7:48 PM

gryphon202 on April 1, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Hey you didn’t cite Wiki as a source so obviously you have no credibility. /s

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:48 PM

That jackwagon probably wouldn’t even know what an IMP is if he didn’t look it up.

gryphon202 on April 1, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Are you disputing that it is the US government which funded the creation of the internet?

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Did political bundlers profit from it? Or was it just an offshoot of a DOD program?

I haven’t heard anyone complaining about heavily subsidized internet Solyndras.

Huge difference, n’est-ce pas?

BuckeyeSam on April 1, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Dang, what’s wrong with monocycles? :)

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 7:48 PM

A friend of mine has a unicycle. He used to bring it to work and ride it around the empty parking lot after the 4 to midnight shift. I never got the hang of it.

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:50 PM

gryphon202 on April 1, 2012 at 7:49 PM

She can’t read/write too good.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Barring a national catastrophe, there’s no way that government can control how that infrastructure is used — and thank God for that.

gryphon202 on April 1, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Not to get to technical here. The routing protocol on the internet BGP was build with redundancy from the ground up so the idea of having 100% internet outage worldwide is very rare.

No one is saying internet was created by government alone. They funded everything from the ground up in its early days and that’s the truth.

Without public funds the internet research would have stalled.

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:51 PM

That jackwagon probably wouldn’t even know what an IMP is if he didn’t look it up.

gryphon202 on April 1, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Hey! It claims to have a Phd in some something or other. Highly educated and totally useless.

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:52 PM

HA w/b deprived of so much entertainment. Just recall, you are the ‘dummy rubes’ and they are ‘enlightened’.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 7:47 PM

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OH, Ok! Carry on then!
.
I would also like to mention Sandy Lerner and her ex-husband in connection with Cisco Routers and
Ethernet and CAT 5 low power cabling in conjunction with the development of the interconnected networks of networks.

ExpressoBold on April 1, 2012 at 7:54 PM

After the government funded the entire project and became successful then the wolves started coming out of the woods!

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Then why does the government not own the Internet not only in this Country…

… but across the globe?

Seven Percent Solution on April 1, 2012 at 7:54 PM

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Now, you’re really getting FUNNY !
Read the Contitution, much ?

pambi on April 1, 2012 at 7:55 PM

gryphon202 on April 1, 2012 at 7:49 PM

She can’t read/write too good.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Case in point. (the bolding is mine).

Not to get to technical here. The routing protocol on the internet BGP was build with redundancy from the ground up so the idea of having 100% internet outage worldwide is very rare.

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Hey! It claims to have a Phd in some something or other. Highly educated and totally useless.

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:52 PM

She got it at Rutgers.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Not to get to technical here. The routing protocol on the internet BGP was build with redundancy from the ground up so the idea of having 100% internet outage worldwide is very rare.

Right. But between 1979 and 1983, the old NCP was phased out in favor of TCP/IP, and by 1984, the old ARPANET was just part of the larger “internet,” which was a network of networks that not even the NSF had absolute control over anymore.

No one is saying internet was created by government alone. They funded everything from the ground up in its early days and that’s the truth.

Without public funds the internet research would have stalled.

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:51 PM

And I am telling you that if government had maintained control instead of gradually giving up control throughout the 1980′s, the internet as we know it would not exist today either. It’s succeeded in spite of government involvement, not because of it.

Look at it this way: At that point when the bureaucrats decided they weren’t interest in controlling a network utilized by military researchers and university eggheads (think Sheldon and Leonard from “Big Bang Theory”), it became so much more than a network utilized by military researchers and university eggheads. For that, I feel we have primarily Vinton Cerf, Bob Kahn, Leonard Kleinrock, and Tim Berners-Lee to thank — not some faceless snooty government bureaucrats.

gryphon202 on April 1, 2012 at 7:58 PM

She got it at Rutgers.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 7:57 PM

I would have guessed Sears.

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 7:58 PM

It’s nice to see liberals championing defense spending. Makes me almost forget it’s the one area of government they want to cut. Almost.

Howcome on April 1, 2012 at 8:01 PM

After the government funded the entire project and became successful then the wolves started coming out of the woods!

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:40 PM

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Wonderful mixture of government funding and mythology… I cried, then I dropped a huge deuce in the WC. The deuce was, of course, the more satisfying.

ExpressoBold on April 1, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Folks, you can’t expect a foreigner to have a grasp of anything American. Just not gonna happen. He knows nothing of America or her greatness. He knows nothing of presidential protocol or procedures, nor does he have any discretion. He’s a non-American, un-American, anti-American Marxist who intends to parlay his current position to that of “King of Nations” in the near future. In other words, friends, you’re looking at a viable candidate for antichrist. This is no exaggeration. Weep for America, because this little man is going to be re-elected in what is likely our last “free” election.

Gordy on April 1, 2012 at 8:04 PM

You should listen to this.

RickB

I did.

Except for the nasty cheap shot about learning to shoot Indians as a foundation of the economy, that put a smile in my day.

David Blue on April 1, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Oliver was right that America was built by people who didn’t know (at first) what they were doing, doing it.

People who didn’t have to spend three months or more getting state permission before they did anything new.

People who didn’t have to be government-sponsored minorities or in with a corrupt elite if they wanted to do business.

David Blue on April 1, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Where would we be today if the government hadn’t funded Henry Ford’s efforts to build the Model T.

Oldnuke on April 1, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Could the internet have arisen without government investment? Perhaps. Businesses don’t often like to invest in unproven technologies that have a long payback period and are high risk.

kkaneff79 on April 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Answer to the bolded question: very possibly. Case in point: Texas Instruments had a worldwide digital communication network before the days of the internet that was funded solely by the company itself. The initial purpose of the network was to provide critical communications between its headquarters and the many semiconductor fabrication facilities it had across the world. That system grew into a massive communication and data repository, allowing TI employees anywhere in the world to send messages back and forth and to access key company information. It would not have been a stretch for that type of communication system to have been expanded to a commercial network.

So, in short, yes the internet could have arisen without government investment.

AZfederalist on April 1, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Are you disputing that it is the US government which funded the creation of the internet?

liberal4life on April 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM

The DOD (specifically the Navy) has funded over 50 Nobel winners.

The 1944 Prize by Rabi and the 1989 prize won by Ramsey were instrumental in developing precise atomic clocks.

These precision clocks led to the GPS devices we have today.

Why do liberals continue to de-fund the military? The definitive source of most of the govt sponsered technological avances throughout recorded human history? (NASA was a military offshoot BTW)

Green_Bay_Packers on April 1, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Well and succinctly said, Mr. Hawkins. I’m digging your style!

Psst! Obama’s got NOTHING. Pass it on!

Naturally Curly on April 1, 2012 at 8:32 PM

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