Could a “Tea Party Supreme Court” save Obama’s bacon?

posted at 5:00 pm on March 31, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

Here’s a strange question which I’ve also been considering lately, but from a very different angle than the subject of today’s discussion. Could a Supreme Court decision striking down the individual mandate in Obamacare – if not the entire law – actually work to Barack Obama’s favor in November? Bob Shrum puts a new spin on the possibility in his column at The Week Magazine.

For those not familiar, Shrum is a long time Democratic operative who worked for Al Gore and John Kerry on their presidential bids, along with many, many others. So you won’t be surprised that the first page of this lengthy essay is dedicated to nothing more than glorifying Barack Obama as the most important president of the modern era, the author of a brilliant new age of social justice and, if I’m not mistaken, the inventor of Teflon. He also can’t resist the urge to denigrate the members of the court who are generally perceived as being more conservative, calling them “Injustices” and “Tea Party justices” and “politically infected” members. But by the time you get to page two, he eventually meanders back to the subject of the article and posits an answer to our question.

(Note: even this part is a bit long, so I’ve pared it down to save space, but you can click through for the Full Monty.)

A politically infected court could produce a politically unexpected result that would confound the conventional punditry, strengthening him and weakening Romney and the Republicans.

Here’s how.

First, voters who hate Obama and Obamacare — and sadly in our riven politics, hate is the right word — were never going to vote for him anyway.

Second, Americans in the grey zone of doubt about health reform, confused by the fog of lies about the bill, would move on and vote, as they mostly would anyway…

Third, the Democratic base and women would rally to Obama because they would understand more plainly than ever the threat of a Republican president packing the Supreme Court with more injustices hostile to reproductive rights, to equality for minorities and gay Americans, and to essential protections for the environment and workers on the job.

Fourth, the aftermath would also engage those who would lose out if the law is swept away, especially young people no longer covered by their parents’ insurance..

This is a case where it looks – at least to me – as if Shrum may be asking the right question, drawing the entirely wrong lesson from it, but still coming up with an answer that could hold some merit. (Hey, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every once in a while.) But here is my very different premise which Shrum’s hypothetical situation might generate.

Not only Mitt Romney – still the presumptive nominee if you ask me – but the rest of the field have been running on a promise to repeal Obamacare. (How a president does that without the help of Congress is never explained, but never mind that for now.) It’s one of the signature moves of each of their campaigns. But what happens if the Supremes come out in June and throw the entire thing out?

You can’t really spend the next four months running on a promise to repeal something which no longer exists, now can you? Even for the majority of people in the country who now seem to be opposed to the law, it’s going to be pretty hard to use that as a lever to motivate them to get out there and vote in November. Such a decision by the court could, at least in theory, take one of the biggest bullets out of the GOP chamber in the final stretch of the race.

Now, I know that some of you will argue that this actually benefits Mitt Romney, and you might be right. If Mitt is seen as the Godfather of Mandates, as Plouffe asserts, then perhaps this wasn’t a good argument for him to use in the first place. But still, taking away an issue he might have been weak on is not the same thing as giving him an issue he’s strong on. And without Obamacare, his chief arguments have been on jobs and the economy. But with unemployment still seeming to be on the way down, that particular battle front begins to look weaker as well.

What’s left? Gas prices? Perhaps, I suppose, but left to stand on its own as an issue, prices at the pump begin to look like pretty thin gruel. So, this brings us to the exit question. Should we have actually been rooting for the Supreme Court to :::gulp::: uphold the individual mandate and the whole bill so that the case can be decided at the ballot box and not in a court room?


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Should we have actually been rooting for the Supreme Court to :::gulp::: uphold the individual mandate and the whole bill so that the case can be decided at the ballot box and not in a court room?

Absolutely not… it would be incredibly dumb to root for the SCOTUS to uphold the individual mandate if you are a conservative, thinking that this is going to fire up the base who in turn will go to the polls to vote for… Mitt Romney ?

Once the SCOTUS upholds the individual mandate,conservatives can forget trying to live as free citizens no matter which party wins the Presidency… there are things MUCH TOO WORSE than losing a Presidential election.

having the SCOTUS uphold the individual mandate would be the worst thing to happen to American citizens in a very long time. The Dims have to just win elections some other time and re institute the individual mandate knowing fully well that SCOTUS has already declared it to be constitutional.

Jazz, did you even consider that ?? stop drinking/smoking what ever it is that you are drinking/smoking

nagee76 on April 1, 2012 at 3:19 AM

striking down the individual mandate in Obamacare – if not the entire law –

It’s just not rational. It would take some made-up ‘penumbra’ -level stupidity by the Court. Because the originating legislation failed to include (was struck during revisions) any severability clause. Therefore if the individual mandate is struck, then the ENTIRE piece of legislation is void. That’s how it’s SUPPOSED to work.
If this Court strikes strikes the individual mandate but keeps the rest of this execrable legislation, then we might as well get the anti-socialist rebellion underway.

rayra on April 1, 2012 at 5:29 AM

The left who have a second sense for the excuse to make their agenda correct (in their eyes) is expected by the right. Wait for the metaphors to appear as they will, like a Hollywood rewrite to the fictional script. That’s why it’s so difficult to communicate with the left because they ignore facts that just get in their way by asking a question and while you are answering it another question comes at you because they are ignoring the answer to the first question making your answer to the second question silly to the context of the conversation. Phil Donahue was a master at this.

mixplix on April 1, 2012 at 5:56 AM

Let’s not outsmart ourselves here. You don’t win by losing, and you don’t lose by winning.

Jeff A on April 1, 2012 at 6:16 AM

If it’s bad law, strike it and move on. Let politics sort itself out. Amen.

HiJack on April 1, 2012 at 7:18 AM

If you are in to convoluted fairy tales do as I did and read bob schrum’s fairy tale piece.It does give insight into why the dems will lose in Nov. if nothing else. I have never read BS!
Here are schrums’ four reasons why ozero will get reelected when the illegal law aka obmacare is killed by scotus.
1.Voters who hate Obmabaa would never vote for him anyway so killing off obmacare nets us nothing. Brilliant dem/leftist logic.

2.The undecided or aka in dem/chat as Americans in the Grey Zone who didn’t have the capacity to understand ozerocare to begin with can now train their tiny little minds to dwell on other issues like the economy(why is that a winner for zero?)more dem/drama chat”the hollowness of Romney”,or even better his “unfair ” priorities(when the nation is nearly bankrupt we should still put fairness first?). Then there is Romney’s job destroying record,his economic plan and who knows what else.

3.Yet another key reason why voters will flock to the dear leader when obamacare is tossed out onto the garbage heap of really bad law is that Dem women will now rally to ozero due to the threat of Romney packing the court with gay and minority hating justices–you have to read this stuff to believe just how bizarre these guys are.

4.Finally with obamcare gone into the dust heap of big govt. takeovers the outraged young people now without insurance will be so outraged they will throw away their i-pads and line up as brown shirt youth for ozero.
Just doesn’t get any better.
Shrum must be a close fairy tale writer in real life.

rodguy911 on April 1, 2012 at 7:48 AM

“If the policy of the government upon vital questions affecting the whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court,the people will have ceased to be their own rulers.”

Abraham Lincoln

We have become enslaved and indentured to this beast called benevolent government that we cannot control any longer. It is no longer a Republic when we call it a democracy. By definition,you CANNOT have both and you cannot have democracy without tyranny .

In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority, whether it be direct or representative. It is a case of Majority-over-Man.

A Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form, or system, of government. Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general. The definition of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative type, created by a written Constitution,adopted by the people and changeable (from its original meaning) by them only by its amendment,with its powers divided between three separate Branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here the term “the people” means, of course, the electorate.

This is THE core principle of American ideals. This is what makes us unique. This is what has made us who we are. Obama’s vision for this country is NOT about Republicanism aka Constitutionalism. He has proven with THIS law that he is only interested in HIS ideals which clearly are NOT American ideals.

Obama and his ilk need to be made a one~termer.

DevilsPrinciple on April 1, 2012 at 7:52 AM

Should we have actually been rooting for the Supreme Court to :::gulp::: uphold the individual mandate and the whole bill so that the case can be decided at the ballot box and not in a court room?

NO!

ladyingray on April 1, 2012 at 8:05 AM

Should we have actually been rooting for the Supreme Court to :::gulp::: uphold the individual mandate and the whole bill so that the case can be decided at the ballot box and not in a court room?

I have to admit that is, IMHO, a very stupid comment. If the legislature passes an unconstitutional law, the SCOTUS has the authority and responsibility to overturn it……period. Why the hell should we have to wait for an election to have unconstitutional laws removed?

David in ATL on April 1, 2012 at 8:24 AM

If, inshallah, Obamacare is tossed in its entirety by the Supremes, then the GOP candidates for President and Congress run on the issue of making sure Democrats don’t try to pull that stunt ever again

john1v6 on April 1, 2012 at 8:34 AM

The answer to the question is NO, NO, a thousand times NO!!

elclynn on April 1, 2012 at 8:41 AM

But what happens if the Supremes come out in June and throw the entire thing out?

You seriously have to ask this question?

1. We can start talking about trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see, a national debt so large it will soon become impossible to pay back (assuming it isn’t already), and interest payments on that debt that exceed defense expenditures.

2. We can talk about unemployment and a sluggish economy shackled by government overregulation.

3. We can talk about $5+ a gallon gas, the Keystone pipeline, our dependence on imported sources of energy, and a domestic energy industry that is being strangled by government prohibitions on production.

4. We can start talking about market based solutions to “the health care crisis”.

Obama and the Dems will want to talk about racist conservatives, class envy, higher taxes on the “rich”, free birth control, free health care, and more free government goodies for everyone.

The MSM, of course, will spend almost all of their time tearing down whoever the GOP candidate is, demonizing conservatives in general, and downplaying, whitewashing, or ignoring the state of the economy and every Obama admin scandal, mistake, and blunder.

This election we’ll find out just how stupid the American electorate really is. The Dems think it’s pretty stupid. If the electorate is as stupid, envious, and venal as the Dems think it is the future of the Republic is hopeless, in which case elections no longer really matter.

farsighted on April 1, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Should we have actually been rooting for the Supreme Court to :::gulp::: uphold the individual mandate and the whole bill so that the case can be decided at the ballot box and not in a court room?

Heck no! I want it gone and gone NOW! To put trust into the publican party to actually have a backbone any time soon to repeal this is something I do not want to put much hope in. I can just see them “reaching across party lines” to compromise.

watertown on April 1, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Should we have actually been rooting for the Supreme Court to :::gulp::: uphold the individual mandate and the whole bill so that the case can be decided at the ballot box and not in a court room?

No. Way.

Jazz, you may have fallen victim to the progressive propaganda mind control machine.

If Obama loses big in front of the Supreme court, it reveals Obama for the unamerican radical that he really is.

bitsy on April 1, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Needless, tedious speculation that always has Conservatives coming up with the short end of the stick. And we wonder why the Republican Party is called the stupid party.

Regardless of the outcome, Obama is ALREADY wounded and humiliated. This arrogant fool and his administration thought they could strut into the Supreme Court, get a stamp of approval, and impose their will on the people via Obamacare. Sebelius was already trying to bring the Catholic Church to its knees with the contraception mandate.

But now all of a sudden the whole enterprise is in jeopardy and more and more people are waking up to the rot and corruption at the core of this administration. And we need to wait till June to get some validation for our side!?

There is already a turning point, yet people on our side still want to second-guess because they’re convinced there’s a defeat waiting in the wings. Tell you what, guys (you trendy pessimists at Hot Air), just step aside and make room for those who are the true fighters for Conservatism. You’ve done enough already.

EMD on April 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM

I’ve read and heard enough of this pontificating from the libturds. With Obamascare overturned, there’s plenty the right can run on like look what happened with the Dembeciles in charge. The right can review for us all the backroom and thug tactics Obama/Reid/Pelosi used to pass the thing and all the horrible things we found out that were in this ugly bill after it was passed, and point out the total irresponsibility of the left for not knowing what was in it and how they’ll keep voting for bills they don’t read and know nothing about. Scare people by running campaign commercials that imagine another 4 years of Obama and the Dems wasting our time trying to pass another Obamascare, while the economy tanks, we lose more jobs, people keep losing their homes and wondering what new behemoths of bills the left will waste their time on that will further slow and wreck the economy. Play that against clips of Oblunder promising hope and change and cleaning up Washington and I see a treasure trove of points to make to vote Obama and the Dems out.

stukinIL4now on April 1, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Should we have actually been rooting for the Supreme Court to :::gulp::: uphold the individual mandate and the whole bill so that the case can be decided at the ballot box and not in a court room?

No. And furthermore, HELL no. Unless the R’s get a 60-vote majority in the Senate, they can’t repeal it.

iurockhead on April 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Pelosi sleeps very well at night. She sleeps the dreamless sleep of the ignorant sociopath.

totherightofthem on April 1, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Should we have actually been rooting for the Supreme Court to :::gulp::: uphold the individual mandate and the whole bill so that the case can be decided at the ballot box and not in a court room?

No!

This is about the future of our Republic, and goes beyond winning this election. The point has been argued by many that this election is going to be a defining moment for the United States – determining whether we spiral downward into European-style Socialism, or hold back the tide a little longer. If the mandate is upheld, that sets a precedent so dangerous that our Constitution will never recover.

So no; we shouldn’t be rooting for the Supreme Court to uphold the mandate.

Othniel on April 1, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Political power is the means, not the ends.

jhffmn on April 1, 2012 at 12:01 PM

This is just another lib reinforcing the fact that a liberal’s perception of reality is what they want it to be, not what the facts establish as true. The truth to a liberal is not a concept they comprehend easily. There are liberals babbling like fools everywhere. If conservatives are call “Tea Party”, then it would be politically correct to call liberals the “Socialist Party”. It would makes sense if truth mattered.

volsense on April 1, 2012 at 12:03 PM

We keep seeing this argument from liberals, and its just wishful thinking. People hate this legislation, and if it turns out to be unconstitutional, it makes Obama and the Democrats look like a bunch of clowns at best, or tyrants at worst trying to ram an unconstitutional law down everyone’s throats. Independent voters are not going to turn to Obama as a response to the SCOTUS striking this law down, they’ll turn away from him.

eyedoc on March 31, 2012 at 7:46 PM

In a perfect Worls you would be right, but here is how our liberal candidate feels:

By the fall, I’m guessing, if the ACA is overturned, the media will be demanding of Romney that he explain how he’s going to make sure people with pre-existing conditions can get reliable coverage. He could not do that the other night to Jay Leno. In fact, while he obviously didn’t intend to, he ended up defending . . . the individual mandate! “You’ve got to get insurance when you’re well,” he said, “and if you get ill, then you’re going to be covered”—precisely the logic behind the mandate (which we all know he “secretly” accepts, which is why he supported it as Massachusetts governor).

Conclusion: We now have both 0bama and Sketchy acting as tyrants at worst with their efforts at trying to ram an unconstitutional law down everyone’s throats.

There is no freedom offered in ANY mandate. None at all.

DannoJyd on April 1, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Oh yes, the spectacle of Dear Leader (plus an entire slew of Democrat Congresspeople) being shown as utterly incompetent is gonna have ‘em running to reelect him again. I mean, not even debating the concept of healthcare, it’s increasingly evident to even the liberals what a magnificently shoddy job the act was: the whole bill-writing and voting and selling it to the people and arguing about it to the judicial branch, all down the line. And these are the ones you would trust for a second attempt at meticulously crafting legislation that won’t screw you in the posterior?

sistrum on April 1, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Romney is really a Conservative.

April Fools!

DannoJyd on April 1, 2012 at 12:21 PM

,conservatives can forget trying to live as free citizens no matter which party wins the Presidency

nagee76 on April 1, 2012 at 3:19 AM

your saying i’am living a free life now? mandate or no mandate. is this the only issue that determaines someone’s freedom?

no matter what,this country is doomed,thanks to liberals and conservatives and all the really smart people of this country!!

svs22422 on April 1, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Yep, as I suspected, this is the liberal talking point of the weekend. Howard Dean is out today repeating it. I wonder if Rush will collect all the soundbites for his show tomorrow.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/01/dean-individual-mandate-not-really-necessary/

The dems really think the ObamunistCare mandate is going down.

dogsoldier on April 1, 2012 at 12:33 PM

As I always say, Progs are only pro-choice when it comes to uteri, rectums, and pot. In the Washington Post today, Steven Pearlstein writes, “Eat your broccoli, Justice Scalia!” Of course, Mr Pearlstein would never dream of saying:

“Do not swallow that birth control pill, Ms Fluke!”

“Do not have that abortion, Ms Roe!”

“Do not have anal sex with another man, Mr Lawrence!”

In all of those cases, he would say, “Keep your laws off of my and their bodies!” But, when it comes to salt, transfats, broccoli, mandating people enter into private contracts, etc., well, THAT’S different. OF COURSE, the government can tell its subjects what to do!

Resist We Much on April 1, 2012 at 1:01 PM

No one can sum it up better than Trump

Let me get this straight . . . We’re going to be “gifted” with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don’t. Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that didn’t read it, but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a Dumbo President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, for which we’ll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that’s broke!!!!!

What the hell could possibly go wrong?

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM

You guys scare the shit outta me with headlines like this.

Vonjustice on April 1, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Once the SCOTUS upholds the individual mandate,conservatives can forget trying to live as free citizens no matter which party wins the Presidency… there are things MUCH TOO WORSE than losing a Presidential election.

nagee76 on April 1, 2012 at 3:19 AM

Definitely. I am at a loss to remember any time when even conservative Republicans have relinquished the power, major taxes and programs enacted by our historically Democratic Congress throughout the years.

They complain publicly to win votes, but any new powers for Washington benefits GOP politicians as well.

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 1, 2012 at 2:21 PM

The dems really think the ObamunistCare mandate is going down.

dogsoldier: You nailed it. But, it may be that the Dems really know that the mandate is going down. Liberals see no problems with leaks, even when prohibited by the SCOTUS. Liberals will need as much advance notice as posible to spin and twist the loss to their advantage. Pay attention to what they say and you will know whether the entire law will go down, or just the mandate and certain specific related sections.

stefano1 on April 1, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Pay attention to what they say and you will know whether the entire law will go down, or just the mandate and certain specific related sections.

stefano1 on April 1, 2012 at 2:31 PM

I have little doubt Kagan is capable of telegraphing the verdict without having to say word about it.

I assume the libs will all but know the fate of the mandate and Obamacare before it is officially announced.

The entire history of Obamacare is a textbook example of the ends justify the means and “Chicago Way” tactics and methods, used by people who have no problem with the concepts. Beyond Obamacare the One’s re-election is a stake. There is no reason to think they’ll suddenly change their ways.

farsighted on April 1, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Pay attention to what they say and you will know whether the entire law will go down, or just the mandate and certain specific related sections.

stefano1 on April 1, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Yes. This particular meme started Thursday though. Based upon a recent precedent I just read and posted a portion of in a headline thread, I am hopeful the entire law will go down.

Here’s the issue with severability. If no severability clause was ever needed and is not required, then why has congress included them in most of their legislation? Why was it put into ObamunistCare and then removed?

You are correct we must remain vigilant.

dogsoldier on April 1, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Romney is really a Conservative.

April Fools!

DannoJyd on April 1, 2012 at 12:21 PM

That’s the funniest post I’ve seen on HA lately. Thanks.

Gladtobehere on April 1, 2012 at 4:10 PM

I don’t know, Jazz.

I see your logic, and it leads me to conclude that our BEST strategy would be for Obama to win reelection in 2012.

Just think how animated we will be to vote Republican in 2016 after 5 more years of destruction!

(/sarc)

CoolCzech on April 1, 2012 at 4:33 PM

You can’t really spend the next four months running on a promise to repeal something which no longer exists, now can you? Even for the majority of people in the country who now seem to be opposed to the law, it’s going to be pretty hard to use that as a lever to motivate them to get out there and vote in November. Such a decision by the court could, at least in theory, take one of the biggest bullets out of the GOP chamber in the final stretch of the race.

If the SCOTUS overturns Obamacare, then the health care issue will be to determine where we go. Obama’s credibility on the issue will be shattered, and Romney’s federalist stance on health care will seem prescient.

The libs are just trying to convince themselves that Obamacare being ruled unconstitutional wouldn’t be a major catastrophe for them, when it quite obviously would be the very worst thing that could happen to them.

ghostwriter on April 1, 2012 at 4:42 PM

I don’t know, Jazz.

I see your logic, and it leads me to conclude that our BEST strategy would be for Obama to win reelection in 2012.

Just think how animated we will be to vote Republican in 2016 after 5 more years of destruction!

(/sarc)

CoolCzech on April 1, 2012 at 4:33 PM

I really don’t get that whole we win by losing (elections, court cases, etc.) meme.

ghostwriter on April 1, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Yep, as I suspected, this is the liberal talking point of the weekend. Howard Dean is out today repeating it. I wonder if Rush will collect all the soundbites for his show tomorrow.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/01/dean-individual-mandate-not-really-necessary/

The dems really think the ObamunistCare mandate is going down.

dogsoldier on April 1, 2012 at 12:33 PM

It’s kind of fun to see the libs wtting themselves about this possibility. However, what they think doesn’t matter any more, because it is now in the Court’s hands. Moreover, the libs have had the politics (and the economics and the law) of this issue wrong from the very beginning. In short, their judgment about this issue sucks.

ghostwriter on April 1, 2012 at 4:47 PM

It’s kind of fun to see the libs wtting themselves about this possibility. However, what they think doesn’t matter any more, because it is now in the Court’s hands. Moreover, the libs have had the politics (and the economics and the law) of this issue wrong from the very beginning. In short, their judgment about this issue sucks.

ghostwriter on April 1, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Yes and they got a dose of reality this past week. Over at Breitbart there is a piece by someone who was there and he writes about their reactions. They are now in a complete panic.

Here is a snippet:

Yet Verrilli mangled it. After his second sentence he paused, then repeated the entire sentence. Then, a few seconds later, he paused to take a sip of water, asking the justices to excuse him.

After that, it got worse. While Verrilli (a very accomplished lawyer, notwithstanding last week’s criticism) recovered his stride, the justices immediately put him on defense.

The atmosphere transformed notably during Tuesday’s arguments. Before it started, all the power players on the left were glad-handing and hugging, some with the self-congratulatory air of “it’s nice to be masters of the universe.”

As the questions and statements by John Roberts, Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy, and Samuel Alito began to pile up against the centerpiece of Obama’s law, many of them began to fidget in their seats and exchange concerned looks with each other.

The best example was Tribe, who was seated one row ahead of me and two seats over. (Tribe dismissed the seriousness of the case in the New York Times last year, concluding “this law’s constitutionality is open and shut” because the lower-court judges who ruled against it were “confused.”)

Last week, Tribe was the one looking confused. While Eric Holder remained poker-faced throughout the argument—doubtless aware that he was being watched—Tribe couldn’t contain himself. He pursed his lips, leaned forward, steepled his fingers, and at times cast down his eyes. Any doubts that I was misreading these signs were dispelled when my friend Austin Nimocks of the Alliance Defense Fund, sitting next to me, leaned over and whispered, “Watching Tribe’s body language is priceless.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/01/From-Hugs-to-Hand-Wringing-Watching-the-Elite-Legal-Left-Freak-Out-at-the-Supreme-Court

dogsoldier on April 1, 2012 at 5:46 PM

It’s kind of fun to see the libs wtting themselves about this possibility. However, what they think doesn’t matter any more, because it is now in the Court’s hands. Moreover, the libs have had the politics (and the economics and the law) of this issue wrong from the very beginning. In short, their judgment about this issue sucks.

ghostwriter on April 1, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Agreed. I posted a longer response but the filter seemed to eat it. There is a nice piece on this at Breitbart big government – From hugs to hand wringing.

dogsoldier on April 1, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Sorry, I thought my longer post was eaten.

dogsoldier on April 1, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Definitely. I am at a loss to remember any time when even conservative Republicans have relinquished the power, major taxes and programs enacted by our historically Democratic Congress throughout the years.

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 1, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Then this should make you a very happy Dr. Just Google Wikipedia Newt Gingrich then click on the link to go read all about the accomplishments of a real Conservative Congress.

Yes, Newt did have to fight against the GOP insiders, and yes they did eventually force him out, BUT win he did and he won for We The People.

We’ve lost the chance of a repeat thanks to the clueless liberal Sketchy supporters that think he is a Conservative. LOL!

Gladtobehere on April 1, 2012 at 4:10 PM

You are welcome. :o))

DannoJyd on April 1, 2012 at 11:28 PM

I heard it said best last week: “If you take away political partisanship, if you go strictly by the U.S. Constitution, this case would be a ‘slam dunk’ with no opposing votes. This bill is Un-Constitutional, as already pointed out by the Supreme Court.” EVERYONE KNOWS IT. The horrendous display by the lawyer defending ‘Obamacare’, which was described as a student giving his 1st book report on a book he did not even completely read, was arguably due to the fact that even HE knew going in that the charge that ‘Obamacare’ is Un-Constitutional was air-tight. In a perfect world, as the quote above states, this bill would never have made it through Congress. A Democratic Party Super-Majority rushed this massive bill through to a vote. The bill, written by Lobbyists and special interest groups, had not even been compiled into 1 single document until 4 hours prior to a rushed vote. The vote was taken in the wee hours of the morning so voter opposition could be mounted. Even the Supreme Court pointed out that this law was recjklessly put together in a rush (and that it is not their – the Supreme Court’s – job to go through the bill and try to do Congress’ job by fixing the bill or salvaging parts of it). The whole thing needs to be rejected as an unprofessional, unethical, immoral, and UN-Constitutional attempt to skirt rules, promises, and Constitutional limitations in order to pass an agenda-driven bill. And it is telling that a self-professed Professor of the US Constitution pushed for & signed this UN-Constitutional bill into law. It demonstrates how Obama has no respect for our Constition and thus technically qualifies as a ‘domestic enemy’ (having violated the Constitution no less than 12 times so far! Finally, no one hates Obama – we hate his policies,his lies, and his assaults, like ‘Obamacare’, on the Constitution.

easyt65 on April 2, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Even without Obamacare, the Republicans have plenty to run on.

1. Gas prices thin gruel? Not for the people who Obama claims to be in office for? I can handle high gas prices, but can the painting contractor, the yard crew company, the HVAC guys, the farmers, the trucking companies…the list goes on. No, they can’t!
2. The economy still sucks. BIG TIME. Wall Street may be doing better, but Main Street sure as heck isn’t and The One is a main reason for this with his regulations, restrictions, mandates and the after affects of ObamaCare even if it is struck down. OC raised insurance prices by an average of 33%. You think that’s coming down any time soon? SERIOUS damage done here to health care in America.
3. All fuels, from coal, to oil and gas are all more expensive. Heating and AC, electricity prices are going through the roof because of Obama’s non-viable energy policies.
4. Do we really have to mention the deficit? Do we really have to mention spending and the gross expansion of government?
5. The man hasn’t gotten a single vote on any of the budgets he’s submitted. Not even from his own party. Chew on that and figure out why!
6. He inherited two wars, promising to get us out of both and instead he increased the number of wars we’re in to five or six. Add in Pakistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia…and talk of more. You think the Middle East was ticked off at us before, we’re attacking the entire region! And not even with people, but with machines! Unmanned and, from a middle eastern point of view, cowardly weapons of terror. We’ve become the terrorists!!

The list goes on. Given this man’s amazing wake of devestation and destruction, if the Republicans can’t point out a couple of whoppers out of a man who has layed waste to our nation through his ignorance and incompetence, they don’t deserve to win.

PorchDawg on April 2, 2012 at 11:05 AM

I’d rather see SCOTUS strike down the law, and let the political chips fall where they may in the 2012 election. It is far and away more important to ensure the survival of the limits on congressional power in the Constitution than trying to avoid another Obama term. The damage he can do in four more years (while extensive and distrubing) is nothing compared to the havoc Congress could unleash for decades to come with an unfettered Commerce Clause giving it near unlimited power with the blessing of SCOTUS behind it.

gravityman on April 2, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Should we have actually been rooting for the Supreme Court to :::gulp::: uphold the individual mandate and the whole bill so that the case can be decided at the ballot box and not in a court room?

I’d rather have it voided now while the chance still exists.

If it is upheld, the chances of the whole monstrosity getting repealed get harder – even if a Tea Party tidal wave overwhelms the Beltway this November.

It’s also based on past behavior. Never before has ANY federal government intrusion into our lives over the past century ever been repealed or reformed to a more pro-freedom state. Social Security, Medicare, the EPA, the DOE, you name it.

The lone exclusion has been Prohibition; and that still took YEARS to eradicate.

Myron Falwell on April 2, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Elections Don’t Matter

I’ve talked to numerous people who say they will definitively vote for Obama. To categorize their reasons are irrational is to express dumbfounded naivete. Their is NOTHING – absolutely nothing – that can rationally be expressed to counter their continuing love of Obama. Their eyes are simply closed.

The Obama voters are exactly like those unfortunate people riding the death trains to Auschwitz and firmly believing they are on the way to a better place.

Unfortunately the Obama lovers are dragging us along to this “better place”.

rpupton on April 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM

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