Only in California: suing to get children and adults together in the buff

posted at 12:30 pm on March 30, 2012 by John Hawkins

It’s hard to believe that there are actually parents who want their children to be walking at eye level with hundreds of naked, adult crotches, but then again, California has always attracted a lot of weirdos.

Desert Sun Resort owners and Orange County residents John and Elizabeth Young filed a lawsuit March 16 in Orange County Superior Court against 500 unnamed defendants asking a judge to rule that the resort’s policy against children does not violate state law.

KNX 1070′s Margaret Carrero reports the couple were dumbfounded when they received a letter last month seeking penalties and damages over their policy against allowing kids on their property.

…The lawsuit was filed in response to a letter the Youngs received Feb. 17 from Palm Springs attorney David Baron — written on behalf of “certain individuals” — which threatened legal action against the clothing-optional resort “for maintaining and enforcing a No Children Allowed Policy and a Couples-Only Day Pass Policy”.

“The first three years of business we allowed children, and we really felt that there was some kind of liability for a child being on property and maybe being photographed or worse,” Elizabeth Young said.

Baron disagrees and insists the policy is a “clear case of discrimination” fueled more by money than by protecting kids from pedophiles.

…She said the resort, which has 32 hotel rooms and 59 condominiums on six acres, gets more than 10,000 visitors a year from around the world, and 40 percent of them are first-time visitors. She said she cannot guarantee that every guest has good intentions toward children.

The resort prohibits public sexual behavior and the use of cameras, cell phones and laptops throughout most of the premises, but “violations do occur,” Young said.

Welcome to Obama’s America where you have a “right” to live in a tent in a city park as long as you call it protesting, free contraception, and where children may yet have the “right” to see men’s junk swinging in the ocean breeze in California.

This does seem extraordinarily silly, but on the other hand, it could turn out to be a bonanza for trial lawyers. After all, if this works, think of all the other adult activities they could sue to get children involved in. Strip clubs seems like a natural fit and hey, aren’t dating services discriminating against children by not allowing them to participate? How about ABC stores? Why can’t your kid buy a bottle to vodka to carry with her as she takes a nude stroll on the beach to unwind from a tough day of finger painting? Who could even oppose it at this point without engaging in — that’s right, you guessed it — a war on children.

John Hawkins is a professional writer who runs Right Wing News and Linkiest. He’s also the co-owner of the The Looking Spoon. You can read more from John Hawkins on Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, G+, You Tube, & at Pajamas Media.


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E L Frederick (Sniper One) on March 30, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Can we please just wall this miserable state off? Their getting worse as they circle the drain.

Buckshot Bill on March 30, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Watch my junk but don’t touch my junk?

Archivarix on March 30, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Will this be called the “Look But Don’t Touch” case?

teke184 on March 30, 2012 at 12:37 PM

I don’t think I will ever step foot in California.

BTW – what is an ABC store?

tommer74 on March 30, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Jerry Brown, Maxine Waters, Barabara Boxer, Henry Waxman, Nancy Pelosi, etc. etc…….what?…what?…what would be strange?

KOOLAID2 on March 30, 2012 at 12:39 PM

This lawyer must be proud he went to law school for 8 years or whatever, so he could sue to make sure adults and kids are naked together.

lorien1973 on March 30, 2012 at 12:39 PM

BTW – what is an ABC store?

tommer74 on March 30, 2012 at 12:38 PM

ABC Liquor.

It’s not a national chain?

lorien1973 on March 30, 2012 at 12:40 PM


“clear case of discrimination”

Your gotdamright it’s discrimination! Why SHOULDN’T we discrimnate against pedophiles???

Dammit, I thought Chris Hanson busted all these people!

Tony737 on March 30, 2012 at 12:40 PM

California has always attracted a lot of weirdos.

Understatement?

Bmore on March 30, 2012 at 12:41 PM

where children may yet have the “right” to see men’s junk swinging in the ocean breeze in California.

OK, this is nit picking, but Palm Springs is NO WHERE NEAR the Ocean! However, geography aside, there is definitely something to be said for little children not having to see certain things until they are old enough to understand and process the images…..

As for the lawyer suing….i guess there just aren’t enough ambulances to chance anymore….

powerpickle on March 30, 2012 at 12:41 PM

California has always attracted bred a lot of weirdos.

honsy on March 30, 2012 at 12:44 PM

ABC is the government-run liquor store in Virginia. Don’t know if other states have ABC stores as well.

22044 on March 30, 2012 at 12:44 PM

I’m in Southern California…. there’s a nudist resort about 10 miles from me….

El_Terrible on March 30, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Since when are children a protected class when it comes to discrimination?

NotCoach on March 30, 2012 at 12:46 PM

lorien1973 on March 30, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Not Texas anyway.

Esthier on March 30, 2012 at 12:47 PM

I guess toddlers learning to walk can always grab something to hang onto.

a capella on March 30, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Hnnnnn….blue gills has been whining about the content of Hot Gas lately, but strangely quiet about this topic…coincidence? I think not.

cozmo on March 30, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Well, “To Catch A Predator” will have a permanent place to set up shop…..

search4truth on March 30, 2012 at 12:53 PM

lorien1973 on March 30, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Thanks. I don’t think they have them in NE or CO. I was thinking Adult Book …something.

tommer74 on March 30, 2012 at 12:54 PM

California has always attracted bred a lot of weirdos.

honsy on March 30, 2012 at 12:44 PM

That’s putting it mildly. New Orleans at its worst has NOTHING on Californication. It’s no coincidence that so many…ah…”adult-oriented businesses” have set up shop there.

I guess toddlers learning to walk can always grab something to hang onto.

a capella on March 30, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Gee-ross! And we’d all like to thank you for that mental image!

MelonCollie on March 30, 2012 at 12:57 PM

California has always attracted a lot of weirdos.

LOL. I went to Air Force basic training in 1970 and when the T.I. asked where I was from I naively said California. He stated the only things in California were fruits and nuts and asked which I was. California has gotten worse since then.

chemman on March 30, 2012 at 12:58 PM

a letter the Youngs received Feb. 17 from Palm Springs attorney David Baron — written on behalf of “certain individuals” —

NAMBLA.

logis on March 30, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Brought to you by the winning folks at NAMBLA…. /sheesh

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on March 30, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Hey, you leave Marlon Brando out of this!!

RINO in Name Only on March 30, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Hnnnnn….blue gills has been whining about the content of Hot Gas lately, but strangely quiet about this topic…coincidence? I think not.

cozmo on March 30, 2012 at 12:48 PM

If that’s an enticement to make me want to make a comment on this thread, well, you’re sadly mistaken. I refuse to fall for that trick.

Oh…..wait…

timberline on March 30, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Remember that long conversation yesterday by the guy who named himself after the person who committed suicide in public at Harvard and left a 1000 page suicide note reminicent of the meanderings of the unibomber? (I cannot remember the name and don’t feel like looking it up—but logic wasn’t this guy’s long suit)

He was big time into freshman nihilism and sophomore Nietzsche relativism as regards morals. THIS is the logical end of a society which thinks cheating is just a matter of toting up the percentages against getting caught. It’s the end result of a society which thinks killing a full-term fetus in the womb with a pointed weapon stuck throught he skull is legal. It’s the end result of a society which thinks advocating the murder of a suspect’s family (Spike Lee, Roseanne Barr, Black Panthers) is “justice”—just like they do to the families of anyone who escapes from North Korea.

The evil implicit in this “law suit” is staggering.

Portia46 on March 30, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Not all of California is like this, I promise you. Orange County and the Desert are full of hard righties and even Right Wing Extremists like me. We ignore and mostly tolerate the loons, who stick to their own stomping grounds and their own kind, except for the ones in Hollywood and Sacramento, who get out of their cages occasionaly.

That said, this is lunacy. California has been a leader in child protection to the point of excess. Most professionals I know are uneasy about being alone with a child in a room with the door closed, or in a public restroom. To be accused is to be destroyed here. For a clothing optional place(which I think is silly anyway)to allow children is to invite legal trouble of the kind that could cost you the price of nice home in a short time. BTW,the de facto position of child protection authorities is that adult-child nudity is abuse–guilty until proven innocent.

SurferDoc on March 30, 2012 at 1:00 PM

You farmers stay happy watching your NASCAR. I have better things to do!

KeninCTgoin’toCA

MNHawk on March 30, 2012 at 1:00 PM

ABC Liquor.

It’s not a national chain?

lorien1973 on March 30, 2012 at 12:40 PM

I thought he was talking about the ABC stores that are every two feet in Hawaii. They sell groceries and souvenirs.

A liquor store makes more sense.

JadeNYU on March 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Welcome to Obama’s America where you have a “right” to live in a tent in a city park as long as you call it protesting, free contraception, and where children may yet have the “right” to see men’s junk swinging in the ocean breeze in California.

-John Hawkins

This is one of the silliest HotAir posts I’ve seen in awhile.

Why do you prudes think nudity is such a horrible, evil thing? It could be good for people to see all different kinds of shapes and sizes, giving themselves a better idea of reality instead of only certain kinds of body images held up in the media. Those nudist resorts don’t have to be about sex. Nudity does not equal sex.

I wouldn’t want to go to one, but if others enjoy them and want to bring their children, then what’s the big deal. I couldn’t feel comfortable going with my family, but just because someone does go to these things, it doesn’t make them sexual predators.

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

MNHawk on March 30, 2012 at 1:00 PM

And he still won’t be able to get a date.

cozmo on March 30, 2012 at 1:03 PM

This is one of the silliest HotAir posts I’ve seen in awhile, since 5 minutes ago when I posted in the last HotAir post. And let me tell you wingnuts something. It will be one of the silliest HotAir posts I will probably see for at least a half hour, until I come back here to grace the next post that’s done.

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Fixed for posterity.

MNHawk on March 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

LOL. You never fail to entertain.

a capella on March 30, 2012 at 1:06 PM

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Sing it sister!

What a butch of prudish neanderthals HA has.

Geesh.

Aren’t ya’ GLAAD HA finally posted a story you can get into.

cozmo on March 30, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Why do you prudes think nudity is such a horrible, evil thing? It could be good for people to see all different kinds of shapes and sizes, giving themselves a better idea of reality instead of only certain kinds of body images held up in the media. Those nudist resorts don’t have to be about sex. Nudity does not equal sex.

I wouldn’t want to go to one, but if others enjoy them and want to bring their children, then what’s the big deal. I couldn’t feel comfortable going with my family, but just because someone does go to these things, it doesn’t make them sexual predators.

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I suspect you’re a childless moron. And for clarity, only one of those two is really in question.

TexasDan on March 30, 2012 at 1:07 PM

*p0p* — out of the blue they appear. Robert Bluey … John Hawkins … hmmmmmmmm

Best be startin’ to batten down the hatches, mateys.
Thar be a storm brewin’ at HotGas.

FlatFoot on March 30, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Sing it sister!

cozmo on March 30, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Is bluegill a girl?

a capella on March 30, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Oh…..wait…

timberline on March 30, 2012 at 12:58 PM

That’s the trick…patience young jedi. The fish always bite. They don’t have the mental capacity for anything else.

cozmo on March 30, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Is bluegill a girl?

a capella on March 30, 2012 at 1:10 PM

technically…

cozmo on March 30, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Have any of you ever been to a clothing-optional beach in Europe or Australia? Are those evil places, too? Some people enjoy that kind of activity, and it has nothing to do with sex.

Why is the nude body not okay for people under a certain age to see?

What about in gym when you have to change and shower together?

Should we all have to go to the beach in one-piece suits?

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:11 PM

“Looking at a man’s swinging junk”???

It’s the human body, it’s not something to be ashamed of or scared by.

And it certainly isn’t perverted…..until people like you make it so.

KMC1 on March 30, 2012 at 1:11 PM

There’s that stench again. Smells like rotting fish.

Bmore on March 30, 2012 at 1:14 PM

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Does a nudist resort have a right to bar children or not?

Besides that, none of us really care about your sexual hangups. If it took you a long time to figure out the human body and sexuality that is your problem, not ours. Stop projecting your own deficiencies onto others.

NotCoach on March 30, 2012 at 1:14 PM

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Do Mormons inhabit these beaches? If not, I wonder why not.

a capella on March 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Is this the same California where parents bring their kids to “parades” which include dudes letting their jolly roger swing around as they sashay down the street? Yah, this is not surprising.

Bishop on March 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Been there, done that, didn’t have T-shirts and I wouldn’t take the kids.

KMC1 on March 30, 2012 at 1:11 PM

You tell em!

cozmo on March 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Have any of you been to Japan or Korea?

My host family in Seoul took me to this huge Korean jimjilbang where they require everyone to go nude. This was shocking to me at first, but by the end of the day it seemed natural.

What I’m saying is this nude-phobia seems to be a unniquely American thing.

Nudity is not sex, and it’s as much about body image acceptance as anything. That’s what I learned from the experience.

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

John and Elizabeth Young should be investigated for stupidity or worse.

magicbeans on March 30, 2012 at 1:17 PM

It’s the human body, it’s not something to be ashamed of or scared by.

And it certainly isn’t perverted…..until people like you make it so.

KMC1 on March 30, 2012 at 1:11 PM

It does not have to be either perverted or shameful to require covering. This is only attack ever used against those who hold to some standard of modesty (prudes! perverts!) and it’s incredibly lame.

If there’s nothing personal about looking at one another’s bits, then what’s the big deal about touching them? We shake hands, right?

TexasDan on March 30, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Very silly redmeat post.

Pablo Honey on March 30, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Have any of you been to Japan or Korea?

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

You mean the place where you can get soiled panties out of a vending machine while waiting to board the Shinkansen?

You got another point?

cozmo on March 30, 2012 at 1:19 PM

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

I would think cooking would be fraught with danger. Or welding. Do they sit down on public benches or ride subways? Fly on airplanes? Rent cars?

a capella on March 30, 2012 at 1:20 PM

John and Elizabeth Young should be investigated for stupidity or worse.

magicbeans on March 30, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Unless I’m reading this wrong, they’re AGAINST letting children in their resort.

teke184 on March 30, 2012 at 1:20 PM

My host family in Seoul took me to this huge Korean jimjilbang where they require everyone to go nude. This was shocking to me at first, but by the end of the day it seemed natural.

“Me so horny! G.I. numba one!”

Yeaaaahh, if my overseas host family said “Hey, let’s all go down to this nudist festival, you’re going to love it”, I’m thinking it would be time to start packing for home.

Bishop on March 30, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Nudity is not sex, and it’s as much about body image acceptance as anything. That’s what I learned from the experience.

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

What you learned from the experience was desensitization. Not necessarily a good thing.

We do need to learn to accept, and hopefully celebrate, our own forms. Walking around uncovered in public is not required to do so.

TexasDan on March 30, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Unless I’m reading this wrong, they’re AGAINST letting children in their resort.

teke184 on March 30, 2012 at 1:20 PM

You’re reading it wrong. They are claiming children are being discriminated against because the resort bars children from entering.

NotCoach on March 30, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Unless I’m reading this wrong, they’re AGAINST letting children in their resort.

teke184 on March 30, 2012 at 1:20 PM

You’re reading it right. That’s why the prudes are being sued.

cozmo on March 30, 2012 at 1:22 PM

I wouldn’t want to go to one, but if others enjoy them and want to bring their children, then what’s the big deal. I couldn’t feel comfortable going with my family, but just because someone does go to these things, it doesn’t make them sexual predators.

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

You and many others here appear to be missing the real point. The resort did not originally ban children. They were concerned about the increasingly draconian laws and lawsuits against anyone putting children in exactly the kind of position this lawsuit says the resort should be putting children.

This is what tyranny is. Government is tyrannical when it can use its power to punish you no matter which path you choose.

Big government always equals tyranny.

fadetogray on March 30, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Have any of you ever been to a clothing-optional beach in Europe or Australia? Are those evil places, too? Some people enjoy that kind of activity, and it has nothing to do with sex.

Why is the nude body not okay for people under a certain age to see?

What about in gym when you have to change and shower together?

Should we all have to go to the beach in one-piece suits?

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Why not let your kids (and everyone else for that matter) walk around everywhere naked; after all it has nothing to do with sex and it’s only natural, right?

For me at least, living in California would be like living in a bowl of granola: for the most part, what isn’t fruits and nuts are flakes.

ghostwalker1 on March 30, 2012 at 1:23 PM

If there’s nothing personal about looking at one another’s bits, then what’s the big deal about touching them? We shake hands, right?

TexasDan on March 30, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Yup. Just another mode of social interaction. I suppose degrees of interaction could be linked to closeness of friendship.

a capella on March 30, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Been there, done that, didn’t have T-shirts and I wouldn’t take the kids.

cozmo on March 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Look, I’m actually sympathetic with you there. Personally, coed would seem more than a little uncomfortable, for me anyway. But I’m not going to call those people sickos.

You have to agree that this is a STUPID post, though. How in the world is this a pressing concern of any kind? And when did this guy John Hawkins start posting here?

Is he going to do a follow-up about the evils of rock and roll music?

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:23 PM

NotCoach on March 30, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Doh! I retract that. Yes, they are the resort owners and they are suing the state for being incredibly stupid.

NotCoach on March 30, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Welcome to Obama’s America where you have a “right” to live in a tent in a city park as long as you call it protesting, free contraception, and where children may yet have the “right” to see men’s junk swinging in the ocean breeze in California.

It’s doubtful children want to see men’s junk swinging anywhere, let alone in the ocean breeze in California.

Those “certain individuals” want the “right” to force children to see men’s junk swinging everywhere. The ocean breeze in California just so happens to be where they are swinging at this moment.

rukiddingme on March 30, 2012 at 1:24 PM

My host family in Seoul took me to this huge Korean jimjilbang where they require everyone to go nude. This was shocking to me at first, but by the end of the day it seemed natural.

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

“Me so horny! G.I. numba one!”

Yeaaaahh, if my overseas host family said “Hey, let’s all go down to this nudist festival, you’re going to love it”, I’m thinking it would be time to start packing for home.

Bishop on March 30, 2012 at 1:20 PM

blugill the sex tourist…

Who would have guessed?

Roy Rogers on March 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Sing it sister!

What a butch of prudish neanderthals HA has.

Geesh.

Aren’t ya’ GLAAD HA finally posted a story you can get into.

cozmo on March 30, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Can we safely put bluegill in the fluffin’ loon-nutter category now?

Yes we can.

SparkPlug on March 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM

This is one of the silliest HotAir posts I’ve seen in awhile.

Why do you prudes think nudity is such a horrible, evil thing? It could be good for people to see all different kinds of shapes and sizes, giving themselves a better idea of reality instead of only certain kinds of body images held up in the media. Those nudist resorts don’t have to be about sex. Nudity does not equal sex.

I wouldn’t want to go to one, but if others enjoy them and want to bring their children, then what’s the big deal. I couldn’t feel comfortable going with my family, but just because someone does go to these things, it doesn’t make them sexual predators.

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Ah, well, yes. Brigham Young WAS big into marrying 8 year olds to old men…Joseph Smith DID marry a 12 year old…

You should probably read up on what happens to a child who is exposed to sexuality (and nudity does, indeed, have something to do with sex, not to mention sanitation) too early. Under YOUR definition that football coach showering with 10 year olds was just a jolly good guy teaching the kids about body image.

Evil. Very, very evil.

Portia46 on March 30, 2012 at 1:26 PM

This is what tyranny is. Government is tyrannical when it can use its power to punish you no matter which path you choose.

Big government always equals tyranny.

fadetogray on March 30, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Yeah, that’s a good point.

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:26 PM

fadetogray on March 30, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Lawsuits are typically brought by private citizens. How does that equal government tyranny?

NotCoach on March 30, 2012 at 1:27 PM

California: Court legislated gay marriage

Next, court legislated pedophilia

After that, the sheep are getting nervous

Roy Rogers on March 30, 2012 at 1:27 PM

My host family in Seoul took me to this huge Korean jimjilbang where they require everyone to go nude. This was shocking to me at first, but by the end of the day it seemed natural.

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Bwaaah. For you it would seem natural after what 6 hours.

You now have enshrined yourself into the MittBot Hall of Shame where NAMBLA means the North American Mitt Bot Love Association

SparkPlug on March 30, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Sniff, sniff, still here.

Bmore on March 30, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Ah, well, yes. Brigham Young WAS big into marrying 8 year olds to old men…Joseph Smith DID marry a 12 year old…

Portia46 on March 30, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Hahahahha. you are obsessed with bashing Mormons whenever you can. give it up.

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:28 PM

After that, the sheep are getting nervous

Roy Rogers on March 30, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Yep.

SparkPlug on March 30, 2012 at 1:28 PM

blugill the sex tourist…

Who would have guessed?

Roy Rogers on March 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Quite the little adventuress. She still avoids specific detail on her daily activities.

a capella on March 30, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Ah, well, yes. Brigham Young WAS big into marrying 8 year olds to old men…Joseph Smith DID marry a 12 year old…

Portia46 on March 30, 2012 at 1:26 PM

I thought it was bring’em young. BTW did Joey Smith marry a 12 year old? Girl I presume.

SparkPlug on March 30, 2012 at 1:30 PM

I live in CA…

… Please help me.

Seven Percent Solution on March 30, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Look, I’m actually sympathetic with you there. Personally, coed would seem more than a little uncomfortable, for me anyway. But I’m not going to call those people sickos.
bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Puhleeze, you are hatin’ nutball that whines about prudes one second and then says nudists go too far the next.

You have to agree that this is a STUPID post…

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Absolutely not, very entertaining. Especially when you came in and freaked out.

How in the world is this a pressing concern of any kind? And when did this guy John Hawkins start posting here?

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Who cares, not everything needs to be a Romney fluffin’ story, or of pressing world concern.

As for Mr. Hawkins, he writes pretty well and it looks like he can drive some traffic.

Is he going to do a follow-up about the evils of rock and roll music?

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Good idea! I hope so.

cozmo on March 30, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Sniff, sniff, still here.

Bmore on March 30, 2012 at 1:28 PM

I think she is who Bazil9 was talking about last night with an FDS problem.

arnold ziffel on March 30, 2012 at 1:33 PM

I live in CA…

… Please help me.

Seven Percent Solution on March 30, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Is it as crazy as they say it is?

SparkPlug on March 30, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Lawsuits are typically brought by private citizens. How does that equal government tyranny?

NotCoach on March 30, 2012 at 1:27 PM

The key word is “laws.” Big government is not just large bureaucracies with lots of regulations. It is also intrusive laws getting into your business in which government should have no say.

It should not be any of the government’s damned business whether or not the resort allows nudity, and it should not be any of the government’s damned business whether or not they ban children.

“Well meaning” people have written laws to “protect” us.

fadetogray on March 30, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Remember the good ol’ days when you were a kid, sitting in the den watching Sunday afternoon football with your dad, grandfather, and Uncle Lester, munching on chips and bonding with the guys, everyone completely naked.

Yeah, neither do I.

Bishop on March 30, 2012 at 1:34 PM

“SAN MARCOS — Federal investigators say they think a man arrested on child pornography charges filmed himself abusing an underage girl at a Bastrop County nudist camp.
In October 2009, FBI agents located the victim, who identified her abuser as Diehl, a family friend. The victim, who would now be in her 20s, said that starting when she was 8 and until she was 10, Diehl molested her and another girl on several occasions at the Star Ranch, the complaint said. She also identified herself as the victim in the tent videos, the complaint said.”
http://tinyurl.com/7ywrxw7

“David Andrew Diehl was sentenced to 50 years in prison today after being convicted of 10 counts of exploitation of a child.”
http://tinyurl.com/87uumer

‘On February 21, 1985 Joseph Francis Henry, a man who molested 22 girls, aged 9 to 11, testified before the Permanent Subcommittee on Governmental Affairs before the United States Senate, Ninety-Ninth Congress.
    In 1971 Henry was caught molesting nudist girls at the New Jersey nudist camp he managed, but charges were not filed against him by the club or by the girls’ parents. This left Henry free to move to California where he became involved in the same child prostitution and pornography ring that Tim Wilcox was involved in.”

http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/NudistHallofShame/Henry1.html

“Regrets of a nudist mom”:
http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/NudistHallofShame/WilcoxRegretsofanudistmom.html

http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/NudistHallofShame/WilcoxDuncanCross.html

numerous child molestation/kiddie porn incidents at nudist camps/resorts:

http://bartsystems.wordpress.com/category/child-molestation-at-nudist-resort/

mittens on March 30, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Seven Percent Solution on March 30, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Anytime. Georgia is just lovely this time of year.; )

Bmore on March 30, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Why do you prudes think nudity is such a horrible, evil thing? It could be good for people to see all different kinds of shapes and sizes, giving themselves a better idea of reality instead of only certain kinds of body images held up in the media. Those nudist resorts don’t have to be about sex. Nudity does not equal sex.

I wouldn’t want to go to one, but if others enjoy them and want to bring their children, then what’s the big deal. I couldn’t feel comfortable going with my family, but just because someone does go to these things, it doesn’t make them sexual predators.

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Now I see why Bluegill has such strong bitter feelings toward Santorum. He’s the anti-thesis of this kind of crap.

Very illuminating.

Bitter Clinger on March 30, 2012 at 1:37 PM

This is one of the silliest HotAir posts I’ve seen in awhile.
bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

….bluegill obviously doesn’t preview her own posts… to see ‘silly’ posts!

KOOLAID2 on March 30, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Yeah, neither do I.

Bishop on March 30, 2012 at 1:34 PM

LOL!, Funny and awkward.

Bmore on March 30, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Good idea! I hope so.

cozmo on March 30, 2012 at 1:31 PM

His overall argument is certainly legitimate, but he enters into self-parody terrority when he starts calling these nude resorts part of “Obama’s America”. You have to admit that that is kind of silly.

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:38 PM

So much for the MPAA. No more G, PG, PG-13, R, and X ratings. Anything that occurs will be met with the “it’s not rape, rape” meme.

djaymick on March 30, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Sounds like those of a similar ilk (hard-core libs) are ruining her little business.

Too bad, so sad.

RedNewEnglander on March 30, 2012 at 1:39 PM

*territory, that is.

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:40 PM

There are at least two nudist colonys here in rural San Diego – East County called “Swallows Sun Island Club” and “De Anza Springs Nudist Camp”. They’ve both allowed children since inception (decades). They both are basically walled off mobile home parks with the usual ‘club’ amenities (clubhouse, tennis, volleyball, pool/swimming pond, hot tubs, playgrounds for children, etc).

So far as I am aware, and I’ve lived and worked in San Diego East County for 30 years, they’ve never had any child molest problems or pedophilia problems that I am aware of. We’ve certainly had problems at the colonies in the form of kids peep-holing from the outside in, but those are almost always giddy giggling teens tossing acorns over the walls and cat-calling then running off.

Of course, it’s entirely possible that there may have been pedo problems and they’ve not ever been reported too. But that’s possible anywhere and everywhere.

To force a nudist camp to allow children though, and especially when the employees/executives of the camp really have the 411 on what goes on inside there — that’s patently absurd.

FlatFoot on March 30, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Now I see why Bluegill has such strong bitter feelings toward Santorum. He’s the anti-thesis of this kind of crap.

Bitter Clinger on March 30, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Bah! She is a poser. Too afraid to actually do these things.

I say experience things before you can comment knowledgeably about them.

Nudism is way over rated.

Unless you happen to be the only guy at a nude girl party…or that’s what I would imagine…

cozmo on March 30, 2012 at 1:41 PM

he enters into self-parody terrority when he starts calling these nude resorts part of “Obama’s America”. You have to admit that that is kind of silly.

bluegill on March 30, 2012 at 1:38 PM

No and no.

You however are self parody.

cozmo on March 30, 2012 at 1:43 PM

I think she is who Bazil9 was talking about last night with an FDS problem.

arnold ziffel on March 30, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Went back and looked, didn’t see a call out. You’re probably correct however.

Bmore on March 30, 2012 at 1:43 PM

It should not be any of the government’s damned business whether or not the resort allows nudity, and it should not be any of the government’s damned business whether or not they ban children.

fadetogray on March 30, 2012 at 1:34 PM

I disagree. States have the authority to ban nudist resorts entirely if they wish. It is strictly a political issue, not a rights issue.

Regardless, in this particular case it is the government causing problems. But if the resort allowed nude children and someone decided to sue them because they thought a child was wronged in someway, how does that involve the government? Wouldn’t tort reform that bans frivolous lawsuits actually involve more government?

NotCoach on March 30, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Recognize the slippery slope when you see it.

We’re almost halfway down.

Ben Hur on March 30, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Lawsuits are decided and their rulings enforced by the power of government.

blink on March 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Actually juries decide lawsuits. And when it comes to enforcing judgements between private citizens the government does not exercise anywhere near as much power as they do when it comes to violating the law. There are no debtors prisons.

NotCoach on March 30, 2012 at 1:52 PM

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