Video: Catholic cardinal accuses Obama of attempting to divide the church

posted at 12:45 pm on March 29, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

In case anyone thinks that Catholic bishops have let go of the HHS mandate issue, Timothy Cardinal Dolan made clear last night that the USCCB remains engaged in fighting the Obama administration over its insistence that Catholic and other religious organizations have to facilitate and fund products and services that violate their religious conscience.  Dolan speaks with Bill O’Reilly on last night’s O’Reilly Factor and suggests that the Obama administration misled the bishops on their intent, and that they have been “shrewd” in their efforts to divide the faithful:

“You are right on target,” Dolan said, addressing that the church’s position on banning contraception is unpopular with large sections of the American public. “It’s a tough battle because of that, and our opponents are very shrewd because they have chosen an issue that they know we are not very popular on and that is why, Bill, we have to be vigorous in insisting that this is not about contraception — it’s about religion freedom. And I don’t want to judge people, but I think there would be a drift in the administration that this is a good issue and if we can divide the Catholic community (because it’s already divided) and if one can caricature the bishops as being hopelessly out of touch — these bullies who are trying to achieve judicially and legislatively what they’ve been unable to achieve because their moral integrity was compromised recently. There is the force out there trying to caricature us, alright? But we can’t back down from this fight because it’s about religion freedom — it’s close to the heart of the democratic enterprise what we know and love and the United States of America is all about.”Dolan dismissed the notion that there is a wall between church and state, saying that it isn’t the church itself that wants to be a force in American politics, but its members.

“The Catholic Church wants its people to be a player in the American politics. Twenty-eight percent of the population of the United States are Catholics, OK? And the Catholic Church, through them, you bet, wants to have a say in the direction of our beloved country,” he said. “To think that there is a Berlin Wall between one’s religious convictions and one’s political activity is crazy. It’s ludicrous. It’s not only non-Catholic, non-Christian, non-biblical, it’s also un-American.” …

“You know that every great movement in American history has been driven by people of religious conviction, and if we duct tape the churches — I’m just not talking about the Catholic Church — if we duct tape the role of religion and churches, and morally convince people in the marketplace, that is going to lead to a huge deficit, a huge void, and there are many people who want to fill it up, namely a new religion called secularism, OK, which would be as doctrinaire and would consider itself as infallible as they caricature the other religions doing. So, to see that morally-driven, religiously-convinced people want to exercise their political responsibility, I think that is not only the heart of biblical religion — it is at the heart of the American enterprise.”

Cardinal Dolan never quite makes the salient point that the bishops aren’t seeking a legal ban on contraception.  O’Reilly frames his question as though they are, but this isn’t a question of banning anything.  Access to contraception is so prevalent that the CDC found that 99% of all sexually-active women seeking to avoid pregnancy was able to use it in its long-term study from 2009.  The Catholic Church hasn’t proposed a ban at all, and neither have Republicans, conservatives, or anyone of any significance at all.

No one is even suggesting that the law ban employers or insurers from covering contraception, if they so choose.  What has been said is that employers, insurers, and colleges shouldn’t be forced to provide contraception, abortifacients, and sterilization for free.  First off, it’s not free at all; those costs have to get covered in some manner, most likely through premium hikes applied to everyone.  Second, the need for contraception is almost always elective, and doesn’t treat a health deficiency, since fertility isn’t a disease (and many insurers cover therapeutic use of hormone treatments already anyway). Finally, for people who want the church, employers, and the government to respect their sexual privacy, the mandate seems a strange way to accomplish that.  On top of that, the free exercise of religion has to include not being forced to violate one’s beliefs simply for entering into an employer relationship.

The bishops need to keep this issue out front, and need to make sure they remain clear on the real issues.

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Bishop?

Electrongod on March 29, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Yet, so many Catholics will vote for the bigges charlatan in history.

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2012 at 12:46 PM

bigges = biggest

…and for the Liar in Chief.

Every time he opens his mouth, like this morning on “tax the gasoline producers” he lies.

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Come on USCCB! Let’s roll. (And please put a cork in Mahoney out in LA)!!!

red131 on March 29, 2012 at 12:47 PM

My brother and I watched this entire interview last night. Neither of us are Catholic, but we were both highly impressed with Cardinal Dolan’s intellect and logic.

Del Dolemonte on March 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Part of the progressive agenda: destroy Christianity.

BuckeyeSam on March 29, 2012 at 12:50 PM

I watched this interview last night….and I have to be honest….
I don’t feel sorry for the Catholic church…..they backed this president and backed his health plan, maybe by thinking that if they did they would be in his good graces….

But not fully thinking through what this open-ended piece of legislation would allow the government to do….to anyone.

And now they are upset because Team Obama and the Dems want to make the Catholic Church or any other religion less of a factor in the future……

I am just reminded of Aesop’s fable of the Turtle and the Scorpion.

Obama is not your typical Dem…he shares a lot of their beliefs, but he has something other in mind for what he wants to do, and it is the dismantling of how our country was set up and turning more power over to the executive branch.

MityMaxx on March 29, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Obama hates any organization that places any God above “himself”.

wildcat72 on March 29, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Slight technicality…

Catholic bishop accuses Obama of attempting to divide the church

Bishop?

His Eminence, Timothy Dolan, is a Cardinal.

Calling a General a Major?

Not good.

coldwarrior on March 29, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I caught this last night. I noted that he too sees secularism as a religion in itself, much as some posters made the point in the Dawkins thread last week that atheism is being pushed just as religions are.

I see the proggies’ view of radical environmentalism the same way, it’s their religion of Gaia worship.

slickwillie2001 on March 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM

If ObamaCare is overturned this won’t be an issue.

txmomof6 on March 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM

“Timothy Cardinal Dolan”?

Not “Cardinal Timothy Dolan”? Is there something about placing Catholic bishop’s titles in as a middle name that I don’t know?

preallocated on March 29, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Video: Catholic bishop takes a break from defending child rapists and the castration of gays to accuse Obama of something

he’s a cardinal now.

sesquipedalian on March 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM

coldwarrior on March 29, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Well, technically a cardinal is a type of bishop, but point well taken. I’ve fixed the headline and am scourging myself with spaghetti as we speak.

Ed Morrissey on March 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM

I watched this interview last night….and I have to be honest….

I don’t feel sorry for the Catholic church…..they backed this president and backed his health plan, maybe by thinking that if they did they would be in his good graces….

MityMaxx on March 29, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Of course they did, but if we abandon any organization or individual that has ever slipped, aren’t we helping the proggies ‘divide and conquer’?

slickwillie2001 on March 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM

“Timothy Cardinal Dolan”?

Not “Cardinal Timothy Dolan”? Is there something about placing Catholic bishop’s titles in as a middle name that I don’t know?

preallocated on March 29, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Yes, formally the Cardinal goes between, but it’s a pretty technical form.

Ed Morrissey on March 29, 2012 at 12:58 PM

16 years of Catholic education here. I’ve said it before – Cardinal, the Church deserves every bad thing that the US Government does to it. For decades the clergy has been spouting Marxist doctrines, actively supporting more and more government involvement in social schemes, and actively advocating the use of government power to effect income redistribution. And now, now, you want to suddenly leash this monster the Church has aided and abetted in its growth? Your Eminence, with all “due” respect (which is little) – screw you.

Over50 on March 29, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Barack King of the World Obama does not like this…

d1carter on March 29, 2012 at 1:00 PM

and suggests that the Obama administration misled the bishops on their intent

Bishops allowed themselves to be deceived. Some of us knew who Dear Liar was from the get go. “Negative rights” and “spread the wealth” are dead give-aways.

rbj on March 29, 2012 at 1:01 PM

To think that there is a Berlin Wall between one’s religious convictions and one’s political activity is crazy. It’s ludicrous. It’s not only non-Catholic, non-Christian, non-biblical, it’s also un-American.”

this is the issue of compartmentalization. If liberals continue to think they can erect a false wall between an individuals beliefs, and his/her politics, they are wrong. For liberal beliefs, there is no such wall between their politics, and their church–for their church is government.

ted c on March 29, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Nice to know. I honestly had no idea. Thanks.

preallocated on March 29, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Now, then, back to the issue at hand…

In 2008 I witnessed a dozen or so Roman Catholic congregations in Ohio, MIchigan and in the Washington, DC, area where Catholics were urged to vote for Obama…from the pulpit and from other venues within the various parishes.

“Go out and cast a historic vote to end racism in America!!”

“Stop the Evil Bush war machine. Elect Obama!!!”

“Jesus commands us to love one another…and taking America to two illegal wars is not loving one another.”

These were the sort of admonitions I heard…from clergy.

So…while I sympathize just a bit with the Roman Catholic Church being confronted by the Obama Administration over the issue of contraception, I must ask where the hell was the Church over the past several decades, if not longer, on the matter of birth control??

Where was the Church on the matter of providing aid and comfort to our enemies?

Where was the Catholic Church on the matter of rendering to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God and not establishing sanctuary cities all across America for illegals and then providing ballots to many so they could vote in our elections, because, as in an Ohio case in 2008, “they live here, too, so they have a right to vote,” as expressed by a Roman Catholic Mother Superior.

So, your Eminence, Timothy Cardinal Dolan, remember always, you and a good large portion of the Roman Catholic Church in America enabled the election of Barrack Hussein Obama, encouraged it…perhaps even demanded it.

Thanks a lot.

coldwarrior on March 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM

I watched this interview last night….and I have to be honest….

I don’t feel sorry for the Catholic church…..they backed this president and backed his health plan, maybe by thinking that if they did they would be in his good graces….

MityMaxx on March 29, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Of course they did, but if we abandon any organization or individual that has ever slipped, aren’t we helping the proggies ‘divide and conquer’?

slickwillie2001 on March 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM

…the problem is the Church does not seem to learn from it’s mistakes.

KOOLAID2 on March 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Obama VS the Catholic Church.

That would be a “Blue on Blue” conflict.

Pass the popcorn while I watch these liberals fight each other!

HondaV65 on March 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Well, technically a cardinal is a type of bishop, but point well taken. I’ve fixed the headline and am scourging myself with spaghetti as we speak.

Ed Morrissey on March 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Is that like in M*A*S*H where Klinger referred to someone as a Corporal Captain?

ted c on March 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Go Bishops…(Watch out for the King and Queen…they are crafty in their use of the Rooks)

moc23 on March 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Of course they did, but if we abandon any organization or individual that has ever slipped, aren’t we helping the proggies ‘divide and conquer’?

slickwillie2001 on March 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM

No I expect groups/orgs to fully think through things they support especially of something that has this magnitude.

They supported it, because they saw it as a way to do “God’s will” and “care for their fellow man”…..

But they didn’t think through the economic and legislative ramifications of the bill……
Especially one that is 2700 pages, un-read by most of congress and is extremely open-ended to leave it up to a Presidential appointee to define the meaning of the law.

MityMaxx on March 29, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Catholics voted large for Obama.

I don’t feel sorry for them at all.

Moesart on March 29, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Video: Catholic bishop takes a break from defending child rapists and the castration of gays to accuse Obama of something

he’s a cardinal now.

sesquipedalian on March 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Translated: “I can’t credibly refute what Cardinal Dolan said in 2012 in this interview, so I will try to Hijack the thread by changing the subject to a story that happened almost 60 years ago.”

F-

Del Dolemonte on March 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Yes, formally the Cardinal goes between, but it’s a pretty technical form.

Ed Morrissey on March 29, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Thank you, Ed Captain Morrissey.

TXUS on March 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Neither of us are Catholic, but we were both highly impressed with Cardinal Dolan’s intellect and logic.

Del Dolemonte on March 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Same here. Maybe he’ll be Pope some day. New hope for the Catholic Church?

petefrt on March 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Take heart Catholics we know you stand with us on Amnesty….

This is just a small disagreement.

On a serious note why are a bunch of unmarried men making laws for women?

liberal4life on March 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM

If WHEN ObamaCare is overturned this won’t be an issue.

txmomof6 on March 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM

FIFY…

Hope springs eternal…

Khun Joe on March 29, 2012 at 1:08 PM

On a serious note why are a bunch of unmarried men making laws for women?

liberal4life on March 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM

You had no problem when a bunch of men on the US Supreme Court made a law for women decades ago. One of those guys was a single horny old man who married a girl young enough to be his granddaughter, and then after divorcing her a year later married a girl even younger.

See “Roe V Wade”, and “Justice William Douglas”.

F-

Del Dolemonte on March 29, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Yes, formally the Cardinal goes between, but it’s a pretty technical form.

Ed Morrissey on March 29, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Thank you, Ed Captain Morrissey.

TXUS on March 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM

WINNER!!

Khun Joe on March 29, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Is that like in M*A*S*H where Klinger Radar was referred to someone as a Corporal Captain?

ted c on March 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM

FIFM.

ted c on March 29, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Can’t wait until this whole conversation is moot with the Obamacare decision.

blammm on March 29, 2012 at 1:10 PM

On a serious note why are a bunch of unmarried men making laws for women?

liberal4life on March 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM

on a serious note, why a bunch if idiots like you keep trolling HA?

jimver on March 29, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Will this Catholic just shut it?

What he needs to talk about is his hatred for the women.

liberal4life on March 29, 2012 at 11:07 AM

CurtZHP on March 29, 2012 at 1:17 PM

On a serious note why are a bunch of unmarried men making laws for women?

liberal4life on March 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM

That’s funny. I didn’t know that Catholic bishops and cardinals made law.

Bitter Clinger on March 29, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Speaking of Hijacking Threads…

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-gaymarriage-memobre82r1ig-20120328,0,6053490.story

libfreeordie on March 29, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Fixed.

Del Dolemonte on March 29, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Dolan slightly missed the point

Through the use of false and misleading statements, polls and statistics, the WH is trying to convince Catholics that they are divided from their Church.

The proposed mandate compromise is about “plausible deniability” regarding payment. Hiring someone to commit a sin on your behalf, so that you can lie to God about the sin you are committing is instead committing 3 mortal sins.

2nd Ammendment Mother on March 29, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Every time he opens his mouth, like this morning on “tax the gasoline producers” he lies.

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2012 at 12:47 PM

I’d have thought that given the role his idiotic policies played in the current gas situation, he’d me more defensive on the matter and crawl back in his WH hole and shut up for a while, but it looks like Plouffe or Axel are advising him to get out there and keep on beating the dead horse of ‘it’s the oil producers fault’….somehow though it looks like people don’t blame him and his policies for the current situation…only logical conclusion: the stupidity of our fellow citizens is immeasurable…

jimver on March 29, 2012 at 1:23 PM

I have to agree with many of the posters here who rightly believe that the Catholic church has brought a lot of this on itself. As others pointed out:

1. The Catholic church is heavily invested in social justice remedies for society;

2. 54% of all Catholics voted for Obama;

3. The Catholic church aids, abets, and encourages illegal immigration as a way of filling up the pews–and its coffers since so many have dropped away from the Church IMO (cynical, I know);

3. The teaching of Catholic doctrine at Sunday school and Catholic educational institutions has been lackluster or absent for many years creating a whole generation of cafeteria-style catholics. I know, I learned very little Catholic doctrine at Sunday school growing up, and my husband who attended Catholic schools his whole life was also ignorant of much of the Church’s doctrine. If it wasn’t about “love thy neighbor” and other feel-good topics, it didn’t get taught or discussed much at Sunday school or Catholic elementary, middle or high school in Massachusetts. Consequently, a great many Catholics are frankly ignorant of the Church’s teachings on important subjects. However, I think the church has begun to recognize this and is taking steps to correct it.

KickandSwimMom on March 29, 2012 at 1:25 PM

“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.” -Romans 16:16-18

Akzed on March 29, 2012 at 1:31 PM

“The Catholic Church wants its people to be a player in the American politics. Twenty-eight percent of the population of the United States are Catholics, OK? And the Catholic Church, through them, you bet, wants to have a say in the direction of our beloved country,” he said.

But does he truly want/believe that?
A majority of the Catholics do not agree with Dolan here.
So he seems a little disingenuous with the said praise for ‘the democratic enterprise what we know and love and the United States of America is all about.’
Go back to the pulpit and convince your flock not to use bc – that if they do they will burn in hell or something.
I mean, he does believe all that stuff…right?

verbaluce on March 29, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Video: Catholic bishop takes a break from defending child rapists and the castration of gays to accuse Obama of something

he’s a cardinal now.

sesquipedalian on March 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Oh when was he doing that? Link, please.

Akzed on March 29, 2012 at 1:34 PM

The catholic church openly supports illegal immigration. They have spent millions in boarder states trying to loosen up immigration laws. I have no use for them.

My question if most Hispanic immigrants were Muslims, will the Catholic church support the pro-amnesty agenda?

social-justice on March 29, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Joseph Stalin- “How may battalions does the Pope have?”

How many battalions does the Pope have in the U.S.? We are going to find out :)

Dr Evil on March 29, 2012 at 1:39 PM

On a serious note why are a bunch of unmarried men making laws for women?

liberal4life on March 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Personally I somtimes wonder why many of the rabid feminists have much concern with contraception at all. If you bat for the other team your involvement in contraception should be less than that of a single male. So should women only be involved on laws specific to women? And how dare people who pay no taxes be involved in any laws involving taxation or revenue?

katiejane on March 29, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Oh when was he doing that? Link, please.

Akzed on March 29, 2012 at 1:34 PM

why not.

sesquipedalian on March 29, 2012 at 1:50 PM

I have a secret hope that when push comes to shove the Catholic church will shut down all of their institutions, and my fellow protestants would follow suit. Then, when the government cries and labels us as evil, uncaring, and rebellious for not bowing before the altar of secularism; they’d start arresting us for not paying some religious/healthcare tax. Then…we’ll see how long the liberal government will last.

But that’s just a fantasy…hopefully Barry loses the election and it all becomes a moot point. Hopefully.

Blacksoda on March 29, 2012 at 1:51 PM

I recall a court decision that opened country clubs to women on the grounds that business (livelihood) was being conducted there -thus discrimination (women) So Obama sets it up that a Catholic (who folloows teaching) cannot remain employed (livlihood) at any complying institution without partaking in doing grave evil (i.e. Mortal sin -unless repented implies eternal damnation)
Thus are religous and gender discrimination issue perfectly related.
Though all of this legal machination is but avoiding the real issue; Obama and the left (with many fiscal/libertarian God-haters on the right, cheering him on) are attempting to take down the heart of the Catholic Church (A default major foe of Communism and the mighty welfare state)
We are repeating 1930′s Germany -different scapegoat -same God.

Don L on March 29, 2012 at 1:52 PM

sesquipedalian on March 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Dishonest, using the term “taking a break” to imply ongoing activity, when the link is to a discussion of something that happened in the 1950s.

Leftist a**holes like you were intentionally starving people to death in the 1950s; are you just “taking a break” from that while you stink up this thread?

DrSteve on March 29, 2012 at 1:53 PM

I don’t think Barry and Company realize how much they’ve bitten off. But they will end up choking on it.

GarandFan on March 29, 2012 at 1:53 PM

On a serious note why are a bunch of unmarried men making laws for women?

liberal4life on March 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Your concern for women touches my heart. Are you sure you just aren’t at war with God, and are hiding behind women’s skirts…er..contraceptives?

I thought so.

Don L on March 29, 2012 at 1:56 PM

That’s funny. I didn’t know that Catholic bishops and cardinals made law.

Bitter Clinger on March 29, 2012 at 1:18 PM

News to me too. And as Ed already stated in his post: “The Catholic Church hasn’t proposed a ban at all, and neither have Republicans, conservatives, or anyone of any significance at all,” which is an established fact. But some things are expected from some people. Lost on this “war on women” crap is that the Church’s teaching on birth control affects men as much as women.

T.D.D. on March 29, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Inquiring minds want to know – did the Cardinal vote for Bambi?

rhombus on March 29, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Bishop?

His Eminence, Timothy Dolan, is a Cardinal.

Calling a General a Major?

Not good.

coldwarrior on March 29, 2012 at 12:52 PM

He is still a Bishop…just like the Pope is still considered the Bishop of Rome.

tommer74 on March 29, 2012 at 1:59 PM

secularism is a religion?!!? this bishop is an idiot!

nathor on March 29, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Yet, so many Catholics will vote for the biggest charlatan in history.

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Some will, unfortunately. This Catholic and her family won’t and didn’t in 2008.

Consequently, a great many Catholics are frankly ignorant of the Church’s teachings on important subjects. However, I think the church has begun to recognize this and is taking steps to correct it.

KickandSwimMom on March 29, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Very true and this is the reason the late Pope John Paul II authorized the publication of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Some Catholics will have enough humility and curiosity to acknowledge that they were very poorly catechetized and begin the work of learning about their Faith and what it really teaches. Then there are other Catholics-in-name-only whom I know who have huge axes to grind against the Church. They, like all liberals, cannot admit to themselves that they have been wrong in their positions and attitudes which are contrary to Church teachings. Although I am exhorted to approach them with charity, to me, they are immune to reason and thus pretty much unreachable.

PatriotGal2257 on March 29, 2012 at 2:08 PM

3. The Catholic church aids, abets, and encourages illegal immigration as a way of filling up the pews–and its coffers since so many have dropped away from the Church IMO (cynical, I know);

KickandSwimMom on March 29, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Wrong.

tommer74 on March 29, 2012 at 2:20 PM

On a serious note why are a bunch of unmarried men making laws for women?

liberal4life on March 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM

1. That’s not a ‘serious note’.
2. The bishops of the Catholic Church do not make laws
3. Why don’t you take your seething, deranged hatred of the Catholic Church elsewhere? While they may make you feel superior and smug in your cramped little basement, your pathetic attempts to malign the beliefs of millions of Americans and billions of people worldwide are baseless, vile, and cretinous.

You disgust me.

Trafalgar on March 29, 2012 at 2:24 PM

In the Late ’50s and Early ’60s, there were a critical mass of rebellious priests and bishops just waiting for their opportunity to “modernize” the Catholic Church (and in some cases to come out of the closet,) and they took the Second Vatican Council as their excuse to relax the rules, and to stop the rigorous teaching of the faith. The overall effect was to confuse most Catholics, make a mess of the liturgy, and make young men wonder why they’d ever want to become a priest. So, in the 1970s and 1980s, they successfully created a priest shortage. What to do? Naturally, relax the rules again. You’re gay? You’re not too bright? You don’t believe strongly in the Resurrection? No problem.

Well, there was a problem. Not all the priests that eventually turned out to be pedophiles were gay, but their gay brother priests were not too eager to turn them in as pedophiles, because they had their own secrets. Their secrets didn’t involve children, but it would endanger their careers too if exposed. So, by lowering standards and losing their way, they almost burned the house down, so to speak.

That’s why the Left thinks they can get away with their attacks on the Church. The Left nearly destroyed the Church, and now they use the history of their own misdeeds within the Church to help them attack what they weakened in the first place. That’s what you call chutzpah.

RBMN on March 29, 2012 at 2:27 PM

sesquipedalian on March 29, 2012 at 1:50 PM

If she was being raped daily, why’d she keep going to work?

Funny, all the concern about the “anti-gay” RCC and Cardinal Dolan, while 100% of the priests bowling boys were gay.

Akzed on March 29, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Catholic leadership – you were co-conspirators in this. If you were to naieve or stupid to see this coming, then more fool you.

Take $900 billion worth of Hail Mary’s and apologize to America.

CorporatePiggy on March 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM

3. The Catholic church aids, abets, and encourages illegal immigration as a way of filling up the pews–and its coffers since so many have dropped away from the Church IMO (cynical, I know);

KickandSwimMom on March 29, 2012 at 1:25 PM

That can only apply to the illegals with a decent amount of disposable income however.

FlaMurph on March 29, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Consequently, a great many Catholics are frankly ignorant of the Church’s teachings on important subjects. However, I think the church has begun to recognize this and is taking steps to correct it.

KickandSwimMom on March 29, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Very true and this is the reason the late Pope John Paul II authorized the publication of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Some Catholics will have enough humility and curiosity to acknowledge that they were very poorly catechetized and begin the work of learning about their Faith and what it really teaches

PatriotGal2257 on March 29, 2012 at 2:08 PM

As a former Catholic myself, I sincerely hope that the Church does indeed take steps to make Catholics fully aware of the Church’s teachings on important subjects. When more people realize just what it is they are “supposed” to believe if they call themselves Catholics, more of them will leave the Church, and the Church will continue to wither, as it should.

Drew Lowell on March 29, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Slight technicality…

Catholic bishop accuses Obama of attempting to divide the church

Bishop?

His Eminence, Timothy Dolan, is a Cardinal.

Calling a General a Major?

Not good.

coldwarrior on March 29, 2012 at 12:52 PM

He is still the Archbishop of New York. Still a Bishop being a Cardinal just means he votes for the next Pope. It could be him though, which would be awesome.

Gatekeeper on March 29, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Who ISN’T Obama trying to divide???

He’s one of the most divisive leaders I’ve ever known of.

bridgetown on March 29, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Catholics voted large for Obama.

I don’t feel sorry for them at all.

Moesart on March 29, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Not faithful, orthodox Catholics – Obama voters are cafeteria Catholics.

Ward Cleaver on March 29, 2012 at 2:44 PM

He is still the Archbishop of New York. Still a Bishop being a Cardinal just means he votes for the next Pope. It could be him though, which would be awesome.

Gatekeeper on March 29, 2012 at 2:40 PM

I wish. The latest things I’ve heard on Catholic radio suggest the next pope could be another Italian. We’ll see.

Ward Cleaver on March 29, 2012 at 2:45 PM

When more people realize just what it is they are “supposed” to believe if they call themselves Catholics, more of them will leave the Church, and the Church will continue to wither, as it should.

Drew Lowell on March 29, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Well, in a sense, I agree that Catholics-in-name-only should quit pretending they are Catholics in good standing when they don’t agree with and follow Church teachings and just get out altogether. I’m sure there are any number of other churches and denominations who preach moral equivalency and a feel-good, it’s-all-about-me ethos who will welcome them with open arms.

As for the Catholic Church, it’s not going anywhere. There are two salient things I’ve observed about this: a.) some of the most faithful and devout Catholics I know are Catholic converts, and b.) the most virulent anti-Catholics I know and have worked with are ex-Catholics.

PatriotGal2257 on March 29, 2012 at 2:50 PM

why not.

sesquipedalian on March 29, 2012 at 1:50 PM

That has to be the most ridiculous site to cite to claim something. That’s ten times worse than citing WND to prove that Obama’s birth certificate is fake.

philoquin on March 29, 2012 at 2:57 PM

As a former Catholic myself, I sincerely hope that the Church does indeed take steps to make Catholics fully aware of the Church’s teachings on important subjects. When more people realize just what it is they are “supposed” to believe if they call themselves Catholics, more of them will leave the Church, and the Church will continue to wither, as it should.

Drew Lowell on March 29, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Boy, when Satan gets someone to fall, he enlists their help destroying souls immediately…

Don L on March 29, 2012 at 2:59 PM

All things great and small start in little seemingly insignificant ways.

1. I have the “hope to change” the establishment.
2. I do not need the forced restraints of a budget to fulfill my destiny.
3. I do not need an armed civilian population to stand in the way of MY “hope and change”.
4. I need MY private Army to do MY work with in the Continental US.
5. I do not need a dysfunctional congress for “Hope and Change”.
6. I do not need a Congress except to do what I tell them to do.
7. I need to redistribute the wealth from the rich to the poor.
8. I do not need other authority figures of religion to compete for my place over the people.
9. The Press and Internet must be controlled.
10. They don’t understand, and tell lies about me, only I tell the truth.
11. I must remain true to with MY certain rich friends, foreign and domestic, for only they will help me when in need.
12. This I tell all is my Ordained Destiny of “Hope and Change”.

Careful all who may read this. 11 November is close at hand and this may well be our last chance to get it wright.

We have a Government and especially the Congress that has enacted so many laws and procedures to protect themselves that changes from the out side is virtually impossible.

We have an election system that essentially prohibits any one other than a Democrat or a Republican from being elected President of the US. Statistically a Third Party Candidate would need about 60% of the populous vote (last one was George Washington) to be considered, and the election may still be determined in congress over the objections of the people.

The Declaration and The Constitution outline FIVE (5) branches of government, that are meant to balance.

1. The Administrative
2. The Legislative
3. The Judicial
4. We the People
5. The Free Press (Internet also)

It is in my opinion, “We the People” have failed the system the most. For we allowed and encouraged it all to happen. This November 11 may be our last chance to save this great nation from itself.

VOTE WISE MY FRIENDS.

jpcpt03 on March 29, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Timothy Cardinal Dolan is not your average Catholic Cardinal. It would behoove the “experts” who have sounded off about the Church and it’s past to listen to this man carefully. There’s a new Cardinal in town, thank God!
There is no question that the Church had lost it’s way, but have faith, this Cardinal is the real deal and not a fan of socialist-marxist endeavors!

tomshup on March 29, 2012 at 3:31 PM

Speaking of divisive.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-gaymarriage-memobre82r1ig-20120328,0,6053490.story

libfreeordie on March 29, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Yup.

You really hate it when people make clear that you and your fellow bigots are planning to force black and Hispanic churches to perform gay-sex marriages or be punished, don’t you?

Racists like you and your fellow gay-sex liberals should be called out as what they are. People saw what you and your fellow gay-sex liberals were screaming at black and Hispanic people who didn’t do what you told them to do.

northdallasthirty on March 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM

RBMN on March 29, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Excellent!!!! Very well said and on the money!

tomshup on March 29, 2012 at 3:41 PM

He is still the Archbishop of New York. Still a Bishop being a Cardinal just means he votes for the next Pope. It could be him though, which would be awesome.

Gatekeeper on March 29, 2012 at 2:40 PM

I think one thing you can count on is that Cardinal Dolan will NOT become Pope. The Church is very averse to electing a “super-power” Pope, which is why you won’t see a Russian or Chinese pontiff either. Also, for all his political skills and approachability, Cardinal Dolan doesn’t possess the intellectual heft required to ascend to St. Peter’s throne. He hasn’t been involved in Vatican administration and has not been involved, as were John Paul II and Benedict XVI, in developing encyclicals or other important Church documents. He speaks no other languages, which is an important qualification for the pontiff. Also, the Italian cardinals are in the majority in the College of Cardinals, followed by the American cardinals. The Italian cardinals would dearly love to have an Italian back in the papacy and are very wary of giving the American cardinals any more sway in the Vatican. They will be able to put together quite a strong coalition to prevent an American becoming pope.

Trafalgar on March 29, 2012 at 3:55 PM

My church got into bed with liberalism years ago and bought into the notion that government largesse was somehow “charity”. It isn’t. The relationship is coming back to bite them in the a$$.

swinia sutki on March 29, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Catholics voted large for Obama.

I don’t feel sorry for them at all.

Moesart on March 29, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Well, I will feel sorry when Obama succeeds in destroying Catholic hospitals the way he is destroying Catholic Charities’ foster care and adoption services. I disagree with a lot of Catholic teaching, but they have done a lot of good for a lot of people. They have spent a lot of years providing things for people that Obama would like to have the government take over. That is why he is attacking them.

JannyMae on March 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM

On a serious note why are a bunch of unmarried men making laws for women?

liberal4life on March 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Personally I somtimes wonder why many of the rabid feminists have much concern with contraception at all. If you bat for the other team your involvement in contraception should be less than that of a single male. So should women only be involved on laws specific to women? And how dare people who pay no taxes be involved in any laws involving taxation or revenue?

katiejane on March 29, 2012 at 1:42 PM

…please don’t send the police, the child-support check is in the mail.

slickwillie2001 on March 29, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Catholic leadership – you were co-conspirators in this. If you were to naieve or stupid to see this coming, then more fool you.

Take $900 billion worth of Hail Mary’s and apologize to America.

CorporatePiggy on March 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM

It may feel good to bash the catholic church for past (and current) misguided behavior, but if we don’t support them on this issue, what happens when this administration decides to add surgical abortion to the list of “free” services, or something else that neither protestant nor catholic churches can accept.

Dolan was right in his assessment that this is an issue of religious freedom, and not contraception. American churches can ill-afford to lose any precedent-setting battles of this nature, regardless of past mistakes. Religious freedom means nothing if there is no freedom in its practice.

STL_Vet on March 29, 2012 at 5:51 PM

secularism is a religion?!!? this bishop is an idiot!

nathor on March 29, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Makes universal truth claims? Check
Is inherently moralistic? Check
Seeks converts? Check
Claims exclusivity? Check
Inspires evangelistic zeal in followers? Check
Leads to angry confrontation? Check

I’m no Catholic, but yeah, I’d say Dolan has your number.

Nom de Boom on March 29, 2012 at 6:45 PM

secularism is a religion?!!? this bishop is an idiot!

nathor on March 29, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Nom de Boom on March 29, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Of course secularism is a “religion.” So is liberalism, socialism, and Communism. A better word would be “cult,” in that each tolerates absolutely no dissent toward its precepts, among other things. Woe to the person who doesn’t buy into it hook, line and sinker, because he or she will be ostracized and discredited at best (e.g. ex-liberal David Horowitz) and murdered at worst (e. g. the over 20-million victims of Joseph Stalin).

Whatever anyone wants to say about Catholicism, no one forces a person to belong, or to accept the Teachings or else, and for those who were born and baptized Catholic, but who no longer want to be members, they are free to leave.

PatriotGal2257 on March 29, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Trafalgar on March 29, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Good points.

The next Pope will probably be obama anyway. If it were up to him least.

Gatekeeper on March 29, 2012 at 9:49 PM

liberal4life on March 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Yes, you deserve each other.

Esthier on March 29, 2012 at 10:02 PM

I applaud the Cardinals emotial argument for the necessary invovlement the Church should have in this discussion of the direction and fabric of our country. I as well chide him for thinking that getting free healthcare was somehow in the interest of the Church as well. His naviatity has in some respects fueld the confusion that the followers have with respect to the Churchs position on this matter. And so when I go and listen to homilies about the inherent ignorance of man to Gods will and how we may not understand God’s will with respect to homosexuality and that institutionalized care from the goverment is somehow Gods will I am shocked at the lack of understanding to render unto Ceaser and that all of God will is an individuals decision and not the collective mandates that come from goverment. Time for His Emeneece to speak clearly on the need to keep goverment out of all matters that are not in the consitution and leave the directives of the sermon on the mount to each individual to realize in a manner they best understand.

nicknack60 on March 30, 2012 at 10:11 AM