Chris Matthews: I’m pretty surprised to learn that the mandate might be unconstitutional

posted at 8:28 pm on March 29, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via Newsbusters and Ace, who points to Karl’s piece in the Greenroom as a reminder that our very open-minded friends on the left have a little echo-chamber problem of their own. Says Jay Cost:

The problem for the left is that they do not have a lot of interaction with conservatives, whose intellects are often disparaged, ideas are openly mocked, and intentions regularly questioned. Conservative ideas rarely make it onto the pages of most middle- and high-brow publications of news and opinion the left frequents. So, liberals regularly find themselves surprised when their ideas face pushback.

I think that is exactly what happened with Obamacare. The attitude of President Obama (a former con law lecturer at the University of Chicago, no less!), Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid was very much that they are doing big, important things to help the American people, why wouldn’t that be constitutional? No less an important Democratic leader as the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee cited the (nonexistent) “good and welfare clause” to justify the mandate.

Having no intellectual sympathy for the conservative criticism of this view, they rarely encountered it on the news programs they watch, the newspapers they read every day, or the journals they peruse over the weekends. Instead, they encountered a steady drumbeat of fellow liberals echoing Kagan’s attitude: it’s a boatload of money, what the heck is the problem?

Fair points all, but look: Even I was surprised at how hostile the conservatives on the Court seemed to be towards the mandate. That’s not because I’m reading back issues of The Nation, it’s because the painful fact remains that the Supremes almost always let Congress do any ol’ thing it wants when it comes to regulating commerce. Remember the terrible, terrible Raich case? That wasn’t the Warren Court and it wasn’t a 5-4 decision. It was 2005 and it went 6-3 thanks to — ta da — Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia. It came fully 10 years after the landmark Lopez case, which was supposed to herald some new golden age of limits on the Commerce Clause but hasn’t borne much fruit yet. Maybe ObamaCare is where it’ll pay off, or maybe Scalia’s point during oral arguments that “commerce” doesn’t include people who haven’t yet bought insurance will save the day. But it’s not pure leftist hallucination to think that 70 years of the Court letting Congress run wild with economic regulation might lead to them rubber-stamping the mandate too. Remember, even a conservative judicial eminence like Laurence Silberman upheld the mandate at the appellate level. I’m on record as of today in believing that the Supremes will, in fact, uphold it too on a 6-3 vote with Roberts writing a very narrow majority opinion. Can’t blame the left for being surprised that the Commerce Clause suddenly exists. Although you can, of course, blame them for dismissing conservative legal objections to the mandate simply because they’re conservative. That’ll never change — their sense of infallible intellectual superiority is too precious to them. But it’s fun to see it shaken.


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SCOTUS votes on Friday, according to the AP:

http://is.gd/4tzdPj

We have to wait for the written decision in June/July, and things can change between now and then…..

TeresainFortWorth on March 29, 2012 at 8:30 PM

His three viewers were shocked!

tom daschle concerned on March 29, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Because you have not been paying attention.

It is not only unconstitutional, it is illegal.

carbon_footprint on March 29, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Just another proof that Matthews and his other left wing buddies are clueless!

Christian Conservative on March 29, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Yeah, life’s full of surprises when you’re an idiot.

ironbill on March 29, 2012 at 8:32 PM

How does Chris Matthews have a job still?

56andwarmweather on March 29, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Liberal echo chamber. Of course he’s shocked and confused.

gaius on March 29, 2012 at 8:33 PM

We have to wait for the written decision in June/July, and things can change between now and then…..

TeresainFortWorth on March 29, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Of course we know where Kagan will stand.

carbon_footprint on March 29, 2012 at 8:33 PM

President Obama (a former con law lecturer at the University of Chicago, no less!),

burrata on March 29, 2012 at 8:33 PM

I’m pretty surprised to learn that the mandate Supreme Court might be unconstitutional

Undermining USSC. Just wait.

petefrt on March 29, 2012 at 8:33 PM

He lost that tingle feelin’
That tingle feelin’

Electrongod on March 29, 2012 at 8:37 PM

BTW, I’m the opposite of you AP… I think the mandate will struck down 6-3 and the liberal who goes over may get to pick how ObamaCare get’s picked apart.

ninjapirate on March 29, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Rasmussen has a poll out showing that 54% of the public expects the law to be overturned, and that was polled the 27th and 28th.

theperfecteconomist on March 29, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Chris Matthews: I’m pretty surprised to learn that the mandate might be unconstitutional

Oh I’m sure there are plenty of things that might surprise you. That stuff from Obama isn’t Ranch dressing either.

arnold ziffel on March 29, 2012 at 8:38 PM

That’s because you’re an idiot liberal, Chrissy. Let go of your tingly schwanz and pay attention to the smart people for a little while … you’ll learn all sorts of new things.

Jaibones on March 29, 2012 at 8:38 PM

high-brow publications of news

This is a phrase with no point of reference, Jay, an oxymoron.

Jaibones on March 29, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Chrissy lives in a very thick bubble.

OhioCoastie on March 29, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Who’s the dumbest host on MSNBC, Chrissy or Mika?

RickB on March 29, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Of course we know where Kagan will stand.

carbon_footprint on March 29, 2012 at 8:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgOIEGz7o_s

arnold ziffel on March 29, 2012 at 8:41 PM

He lost that tingle feelin’
That tingle feelin’
Electrongod on March 29, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Now it’s gone…gone…gone…wooooooh.

Rusty Allen on March 29, 2012 at 8:41 PM

I’m just a cave man. These conservatives frighten and confuse me.

DHChron on March 29, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Who’s the dumbest host on MSNBC, Chrissy or Mika?
RickB on March 29, 2012 at 8:40 PM

I’d say that Richard Maddow fella.

Rusty Allen on March 29, 2012 at 8:42 PM

I’m on record as of today in believing that the Supremes will, in fact, uphold it too on a 6-3 vote with Roberts writing a very narrow majority opinion.

So, they would rather continue the charade of bad precedents rather than move back toward the original intent of the clause. If so, we’re doomed. Even if Roberts writes it so it very narrowly interpets limits, it won’t be long before we’ll repeating the whole dog and pony show for some other “special issue”. It will neve stop.

a capella on March 29, 2012 at 8:43 PM

But, but, but…we THOUGHT it was constitutional. How dare anyone say otherwise. Are you SERIOUS? Their arrogance (and ignorance, and partisanship) knows no bounds.

scalleywag on March 29, 2012 at 8:43 PM

I’m on record as of today in believing that the Supremes will, in fact, uphold it too on a 6-3 vote with Roberts writing a very narrow majority opinion.

Well, I hope you’re as wrong on that as you’re wrong on your disbelief in God. ObamaCare, after all, will decimate the natural rights we have, which came from God and not government, as our country’s Founders all knew.

TXUS on March 29, 2012 at 8:45 PM

More proff that Chrissy’s labotomy was completly successful.

Reality Checker on March 29, 2012 at 8:45 PM

We have to wait for the written decision in June/July, and things can change between now and then…..

TeresainFortWorth on March 29, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Maybe that is what Strechyface is hinting at :
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pelosi-if-justice-system-probe-trayvon-martin-death-doesnt-seem-be-working-other
The Occupoopers are ready, blacks are riled up, illegals will riot for amnesty, gays will march for marriage, muslims are armed and ready, marxists are controlling the Senate and Cabinets, Iran has it’s people ready to die …..
reewoloocion is a go now

burrata on March 29, 2012 at 8:45 PM

I’ve worked in different areas over the years.
IMO the stupidest but sometimes entertaining people are in Real Estate.
Radio people are significantly quicker and smarter than their TV counterparts. However, TV people tend to speak to one another, (a lot, almost exclusively) reinforcing their opinions of the world.
No doubt Matthews gets complete reverberations of his personal opinions with those in his business confines. It is the rare anchor person who has (or demonstrates) any intellectual virtues at all.
The only persons I ever encountered in higher mathematics courses back in the day (e.g. Linear Algebra; DiffEQ’s; Adv Eng Math and such) besides the Math, Chem or Physics majors were the occassional Economics major.
Beyond freshman physics you never met a Journo or Lit major taking the science classes, ever.

Missilengr on March 29, 2012 at 8:45 PM

He lost that tingle feelin’
That tingle feelin’
Electrongod on March 29, 2012 at 8:37 PM

The thrill is ……..gone

burrata on March 29, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Now it’s gone…gone…gone…wooooooh.

Rusty Allen on March 29, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Country song?

Hint..

Electrongod on March 29, 2012 at 8:48 PM

If this turkey survives the judicial axe, anyone considering any elective surgeries better get ‘em scheduled. Especially if you have any years on you at all. I know I will.

predator on March 29, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Cripes, tingles is a moron.

SparkPlug on March 29, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Now it’s gone…gone…gone…wooooooh.
Rusty Allen on March 29, 2012 at 8:41 PM
Country song?
Hint..
Electrongod on March 29, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Nope, it’s the next line of “That loving feeling”. Or in this case, “tingly” feeling.

Rusty Allen on March 29, 2012 at 8:53 PM

The Raich case is distinguishable, I believe, because it dealt with production of a commodity. Not so with PPACA. (Now that Obama has embraced the term Obamacare, I reject the term and henceforth will call it by its rightful name, pronounced Peepacka.)

And, yeah, Chris Matthews is an idiot.

Syzygy on March 29, 2012 at 8:54 PM

I’m not surprised, dingbat Chris is surprised.

bazil9 on March 29, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Ok AP thinks this will be upheld. Now I’m freaked out.

SparkPlug on March 29, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Supreme Court is our last hope. If the law is deemed constitutional – it will go into effect.

I don’t care what Willard and the rest of the establishment says about “repeal” – they are liars.

And … COWARDS.

If the SCOTUS gives a “thumbs up” – that’s it … starting planing your life under ObamaCare.

Because there is no way the GOP establishment has the guts (or the desire) to repeal it. Tea Party did … but they lost the war with the GOP.

Prepare for USA Ver 2.0 if SCOTUS doesn’t save us here.

HondaV65 on March 29, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Nope, it’s the next line of “That loving feeling”. Or in this case, “tingly” feeling.

Rusty Allen on March 29, 2012 at 8:53 PM

*Slapping palm on side of head*

Yep…

Electrongod on March 29, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Cripes, tingles is a moron.

SparkPlug on March 29, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Funny though ; )

Bmore on March 29, 2012 at 8:56 PM

BTW, I’m the opposite of you AP… I think the mandate will struck down 6-3 and the liberal who goes over may get to pick how ObamaCare get’s picked apart.

ninjapirate on March 29, 2012 at 8:37 PM

My prediction, and I’m partly with you: The mandate gets struck down 6-3, and the entire bill is thrown out 5-4. Roberts is an originalist on the Constitution and a believer in limited, enumerated powers, despite what the libs might hope for otherwise.

And, Breyer will be in that 6 against the mandate but probably in the pro-severability 4.

TXUS on March 29, 2012 at 8:56 PM

HondaV65 on March 29, 2012 at 8:55 PM

yep. The Supreme Court is our last hope. And Breitbart died so things are very depressing.

SparkPlug on March 29, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Ok AP thinks this will be upheld. Now I’m freaked out.

SparkPlug on March 29, 2012 at 8:55 PM

He does tend to be over-Eeyore-ish… but don’t get too excited. Just take comfort in knowing that Dem legislators won’t be cramming it down our throats this time.

MeatHeadinCA on March 29, 2012 at 8:57 PM

predator on March 29, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Yeah Pred, if it doesn’t get the axe-go get yourself under the axe now. :(

bazil9 on March 29, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Fair points all, but look: Even I was surprised at how hostile the conservatives on the Court seemed to be towards the mandate.

You have to remember that in many appellate courts where the legislation has been challenged, conservateive judges asked scathing questions yet ultimiately upheld Obamacare. I think I’ll wait to see their decision before jumping to conclusions.

bayam on March 29, 2012 at 8:57 PM

SparkPlug on March 29, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Funny though ; )

Bmore on March 29, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Crissy spews so fast that spittle literally flies from his mouth and smacks the camera lens. It happens.

SparkPlug on March 29, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Saddly the Courts dont like overturning Congressional votes because we the people elect a stupid Congress.

We are paying a punishment for the 2006 and 2008 elections that will hurt America for decades.

Might have to repeal this mess via a Admendment to the constitution. Or starve it of funds.

William Amos on March 29, 2012 at 8:58 PM

“I was totally unprepared because of the way people talked.”

Including yourself you stupid, putz, socialist, poop eating moron.

Wolfmoon on March 29, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Cripes, tingles is a moron.

SparkPlug on March 29, 2012 at 8:53 PM

…why should he be shocked Sparky? He probably stands at urinals and poohs his pants!

KOOLAID2 on March 29, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Nobody ever accused Chrissy of being an intelligent man. And they don’t call it the Clueless Left for nothing.

cicerone on March 29, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Who’s the dumbest host on MSNBC, Chrissy or Mika?

RickB on March 29, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Not even close. The gay Arab from England or Ralph Maddow.

Jaibones on March 29, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Ok AP thinks this will be upheld. Now I’m freaked out.

SparkPlug on March 29, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Well, AP is also an atheist and I’m pretty sure he’s wrong about that too.

Harbingeing on March 29, 2012 at 9:00 PM

SparkPlug on March 29, 2012 at 8:55 PM

He does tend to be over-Eeyore-ish… but don’t get too excited. Just take comfort in knowing that Dem legislators won’t be cramming it down our throats this time.

MeatHeadinCA on March 29, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Yep. That’s AP alright. Ya know this is just a political football that will drag on forever and never be implemented. I hope you are right Mr. Meat.

SparkPlug on March 29, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Chris is no different than any other lib…they always want to hear our opinion, well, until they hear it…

hillsoftx on March 29, 2012 at 9:01 PM

KOOLAID2 on March 29, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Well he did have tingles running UP his leg. Maybe he pees on his feet and sleeps upside down. hehe

SparkPlug on March 29, 2012 at 9:02 PM

And, Breyer will be in that 6 against the mandate but probably in the pro-severability 4.

TXUS on March 29, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Not an ice cube’s chance in hell that lib-douche ideologue Breyer votes with the constitution crowd, on this or anything. He hates the constitution and ignores it as a matter of course.

Do the words “international law” ring a bell?

Jaibones on March 29, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Rasmussen has a poll out showing that 54% of the public expects the law to be overturned, and that was polled the 27th and 28th.

theperfecteconomist on March 29, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Alas, that poll isn’t useful. It doesn’t ask about the possibility that the court will strike down the mandate but uphold some remaining portions of the law.

aunursa on March 29, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Yeah Pred, if it doesn’t get the axe-go get yourself under the axe now. :(

bazil9 on March 29, 2012 at 8:57 PM

You betcha, b9. I’ve been pondering that scenario ever since this nightmare was passed.

predator on March 29, 2012 at 9:06 PM

I’m on record as of today in believing that the Supremes will, in fact, uphold it too on a 6-3 vote with Roberts writing a very narrow majority opinion.

Thanks, Eeyore.

DrStock on March 29, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Of course we know where Kagan will stand.

I wonder if she or the wise Latina will leak the results of the vote to O to give him a heads up. Maybe we will be able to infer what’s coming down. If Barky ramps up the demogaguery of the SCOTUS, it means he lost. If he and his minions say they are confident their side will win, and they continue the implementation of Obamacare, we’re hosed.

Mayday on March 29, 2012 at 9:07 PM

I feel the same way as many on this forum. I want to see the decision first. Many times we wish for that grand-slam, in-your-face, total victory. Often times we end up with half a loaf. I fear a half a loaf will happen this time around and then Romney gets elected to continue our slide into the financial abyss.

Mojave Mark on March 29, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Alas, that poll isn’t useful. It doesn’t ask about the possibility that the court will strike down the mandate but uphold some remaining portions of the law.

aunursa on March 29, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Or …

Alas, that poll isn’t useful. It doesn’t take into consideration that nearly everyone in the poll is an imbecile who couldn’t find the constitution if you shoved it up their ***, and besides — there are four Democrats on the SCOTUS who couldn’t give a rat’s *** what the constitution says.

Just sayin’.

Jaibones on March 29, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Since the Supreme Court’s ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission in 2010, upholding the rights of corporations to make political expenditures under the First Amendment, there have been several calls for a US Constitutional amendment to abolish Corporate Personhood.

So this was an expected ruling from the Robert’s court, and all SCOTUS rulings are predictable according to Allah…..than why did Obama chastise them at the State of the Union Address, if he knew how they were going to rule? I mean they just overturned a precedent that was over 100 years old…..

Dr Evil on March 29, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Not an ice cube’s chance in hell that lib-douche idioteologue Breyer votes with the constitution crowd.

Jaibones on March 29, 2012 at 9:02 PM

fify

cableguy615 on March 29, 2012 at 9:10 PM

“I can’t believe Nixon got elected. Nobody I know voted for him”.

These people need to get out and mix with the flyover Country folks every now and then.

ManWithNoParty on March 29, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Remember Kelo vs. New London, CT? I guess I didn’t see that one coming. Still find it hard to believe that seizing someone’s private home and giving it to a private developer is proper application of eminent domain and constitutional.

DrStock on March 29, 2012 at 9:12 PM

predator on March 29, 2012 at 9:06 PM

I ponder many scenario’s…none good.
I work in the ins field..just a nightmare.

Good evening to you IL.

bazil9 on March 29, 2012 at 9:13 PM

I’m on record as of today in believing that the Supremes will, in fact, uphold it too on a 6-3 vote with Roberts writing a very narrow majority opinion.

Could you explain what you think will be the “limiting principle,” because as far as I could tell nobody in the courtroom for three days could articulate one.

The Supremes could say “We’ll approve this for health care because it’s a unique market, but don’t you ever, ever, ask us to approve it for anything else” and it would be vaporware. The camel’s nose is under the tent baby – and I think (hope?) they know it.

jdp629 on March 29, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Allahpundit you ignorant eeyore slut. ‘anything congress wants re the commerce clause’ is NOT the same thing as the massively out of bounds ‘individual mandate’. That’s been the very crux of the whole damned mess since BEFORE IT WAS PASSED. Yet here YOU are right alongside these morons Toobin and Matthews, going ‘whuwhuwhaaat?’

SHAME on you all you supposed leaders at the forefront of what is hot and topical, for being so pitiully uninformed on the subjects you bandy about. Bunch of feckless gandy dancers, massively failing in your duty to inform, to yourselves BE informed, riding this Republic right into the ovens of the Tranzis.

rayra on March 29, 2012 at 9:13 PM

MeatHeadinCA

O/T- hey meaty..you get my email? kinda important.

bazil9 on March 29, 2012 at 9:14 PM

How come libs have extreme difficulty in grasping concepts that understand intrinsically?

RedNewEnglander on March 29, 2012 at 9:15 PM

TAKE TWO

How come libs have extreme difficulty in grasping concepts that cons understand intrinsically?

Edit button, Ed. EDIT.

Make it so.

RedNewEnglander on March 29, 2012 at 9:16 PM

“I live in a rather special world. I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don’t know. They’re outside my ken. But sometimes when I’m in a theater I can feel them.” – Pauline Kael, film critic, The New Yorker, 1972, expressing surprise that Nixon was re-elected.

“I was totally surprised because of the way people talked…and his major achievement just ripped off the books.” – Chris Matthews, Cable talk show host, MSNBC, 2012, expressing surprise that Obamacare might be unconstitutional.

Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose – liberals haven’t evolved yet.

DublOh7 on March 29, 2012 at 9:17 PM

If this turkey survives the judicial axe, anyone considering any elective surgeries better get ‘em >scheduled. Especially if you have any years on you at all. I know I will.

predator on March 29, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Yep, scheduled for this summer.

MontanaMmmm on March 29, 2012 at 9:18 PM

I’m on record as of today in believing that the Supremes will, in fact, uphold it too on a 6-3 vote with Roberts writing a very narrow majority opinion.

Well if they rule that way, prepare for revolution. Too many people in America (with guns) will not let their freedoms die so easily, and they will fight for it.

nobar on March 29, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Good evening to you IL.

bazil9 on March 29, 2012 at 9:13 PM

And good evening to you, my fine Floridian.:)

My sister is HR director where I work. She also sits on a regional board of corporate health insurance (paraphrase). I asked her after this thing was passed what it meant if it survives.

Her answer? “No one knows. We can’t make any sense out of it.”

predator on March 29, 2012 at 9:18 PM

AP is making the safe bet here going with the 6-3 to uphold. If he is wrong, we will be so happy that it is struck down no one will beatch too much about him being wrong…

d1carter on March 29, 2012 at 9:18 PM

What did Chrissy mumble at the end? Something about Republicans… easy…beat down?
.
I’ve listened several times and I cannot get it.

ExpressoBold on March 29, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Ok AP thinks this will be upheld. Now I’m freaked out.

SparkPlug on March 29, 2012 at 8:55 PM

yeah, and if AP thinks so, it’s necessarily going to be so..it’s not that he’s some top legal mind in this country or anything like it…he’s just opining, seeking traffic for his posts….

jimver on March 29, 2012 at 9:19 PM

REALITY can be a real bitch sometimes.

GarandFan on March 29, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Allahpundits point here is a little one-sided. Sure raging liberals think right wing legal arguments have no merit. But you can say the same about people here that think the court could only find the mandate to be unconstitutional. The reality is that it could go either way and there are legitimate legal arguments by both sides as to why the mandate should or should not survive constitutional scrutiny.

Right and Left Wingers both refuse to merit in each others points of view.

cd98 on March 29, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Yep, scheduled for this summer.

MontanaMmmm on March 29, 2012 at 9:18 PM

My condition is not such that it was a pressing issue. I always thought I’d bide my time, and if it got worse then I would go ahead. Not now. I’m taking no chances. If this thing gets approved in June, I’ll have my work done before year’s end.

predator on March 29, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Nope, it’s the next line of “That loving feeling”. Or in this case, “tingly” feeling.

Rusty Allen on March 29, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Righteous Brothers

Barred on March 29, 2012 at 9:23 PM

There’s nothing ‘intrinsic’ about it, that’s BS. The difference is the arrogance that fosters the ignorance. Conservatives generally take the time to learn both sides of an issue, to better argue the key elements or facts. The LLLibs ‘feel’ and ‘know’ and as such never even bother to examine their premises. We literally just passed the 2yr mark of this abomination, with months of shenanigans before it passed, yet liberal pundit after liberal pundit now expresses their deep ignorance of the core facts of the matter. It’s obscene. It’s their damned JOB to know the issues inside and out, and now we once again have fresh proofs that their understanding is next to nil. Their understanding described and circumscribed by little more than some promulgated ‘talking points’ vomit fed them by their preferred sources.

rayra on March 29, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Her answer? “No one knows. We can’t make any sense out of it.”

predator on March 29, 2012 at 9:18 PM

I work with HR directors at businesses and I am a Ins Rep. for medical (sorry have to be vague here).

Your sister is right. None of us have a flipping clue.
Although, employers now have to submit group insurance info for all employees at tax time. That will show on the W2′s. That was on the Obamacare timeline for 2012. Among a few other things we have to do now. The timeline we received through a law firm.
My dad was invited to a large meeting on it last week. I haven’t had a chance to speak with him though.

bazil9 on March 29, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Your sister is right. None of us have a flipping clue.

bazil9 on March 29, 2012 at 9:24 PM

I love uncertainty at the race track. It adds to the excitement. But with my health and well-being? Ehhhhhh, not so much.

predator on March 29, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Her answer? “No one knows. We can’t make any sense out of it.”

predator on March 29, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Which is why Scalia won’t put his law clerks through the torture of trying to read it, and make sense of it.

It’s bad enough that the democrats in congress didn’t read the bill before they passed it – it would be worse for SCOTUS to uphold it without reading it.

I took it as a sign from Scalia, no way am I doing Congress’s DUTY for them, and figure out what’s in their bill, and if any of it is worth salvaging. That should be a unanimous decision by all of the judges. Kick it to the curb.

Dr Evil on March 29, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Allahpundits point here is a little one-sided. Sure raging liberals think right wing legal arguments have no merit. But you can say the same about people here that think the court could only find the mandate to be unconstitutional. The reality is that it could go either way and there are legitimate legal arguments by both sides as to why the mandate should or should not survive constitutional scrutiny.

Right and Left Wingers both refuse to merit in each others points of view.

cd98 on March 29, 2012 at 9:21 PM

That’s a steaming pile of equivocating horse pucky. There AREN’T any legitimate legal arguments re constitutionality of an individual mandate. Just gross distortions and outright lies.

rayra on March 29, 2012 at 9:28 PM

I’m on record as of today in believing that the Supremes will, in fact, uphold it too on a 6-3 vote with Roberts writing a very narrow majority opinion.

Soooo, AP doubles down on the salt in the wound.
1. He has stock holdings in Big Pharma (anti depressants)
2. ? Could I at least ad some lavender oil to the salt in order to make a nice relaxing salt scrub.

MontanaMmmm on March 29, 2012 at 9:28 PM

So the previous, somewhat-less-destructive New Deal and Great Society’s unconstitutional precedents don’t help ram through this full-fledged destruction of the meaning of liberty in America?

Shocking.

profitsbeard on March 29, 2012 at 9:30 PM

yeah, and if AP thinks so, it’s necessarily going to be so..it’s not that he’s some top legal mind in this country or anything like it…he’s just opining, seeking traffic for his posts….

jimver on March 29, 2012 at 9:19 PM

And he’s still secretly crushin’ on Palin. He sure misses those +1000 comment posts.

BobMbx on March 29, 2012 at 9:30 PM

That’s a steaming pile of equivocating horse pucky. There AREN’T any legitimate legal arguments re constitutionality of an individual mandate. Just gross distortions and outright lies.

rayra on March 29, 2012 at 9:28 PM

That’s whats known as the “spoon full of sugar to help the medicine go down”.

BobMbx on March 29, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Jaibones on March 29, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I agree with your opinion about Breyer, professionally and personally he is scum. And he cares little of the Constitution normally, but his ego here will overcome his ideology. He will see his vote against the mandate and his separate vote for keeping the rest of the bill in tact as making him the new “centrist” on the Court, replacing Kennedy, in his mind anyway. Mark my words, he will do this.

TXUS on March 29, 2012 at 9:32 PM

My condition is not such that it was a pressing issue. I always thought I’d bide my time, and if it got worse then I would go ahead. Not now. I’m taking no chances. If this thing gets approved in June, I’ll have my work done before year’s end.

predator on March 29, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Same here, nothing serious but the government would surely consider it elective, it’s borderline already. So I’m goin for it.
Deposit already made.

MontanaMmmm on March 29, 2012 at 9:33 PM

ummm..my comment disappeared. Anyone else having problems?
HA is running slow.

bazil9 on March 29, 2012 at 9:34 PM

predator on March 29, 2012 at 9:27 PM

My comment again.

I Hear ya Pred. You never mess around with your health and well being.

You could just take a pain pill. /

Take care of yourself.

bazil9 on March 29, 2012 at 9:36 PM

I took it as a sign from Scalia, no way am I doing Congress’s DUTY for them, and figure out what’s in their bill, and if any of it is worth salvaging. That should be a unanimous decision by all of the judges. Kick it to the curb.

Dr Evil on March 29, 2012 at 9:28 PM

You forget that Kagan was deputy / solicitor and helped fabricate the fabricated defense of this putrid legislation, and got appointed as reward and Chicago-style insurance of its ‘interpretation’ in the SCOTUS. Appointed by a Machine who themselves has no understanding of how stuff works at this level. No grasp that if ‘Chicago Way’ holds sway in this then there WILL be armed revolt.
She OUGHT to have recused herself, if she had any personal ethical integrity. And if she had any she wouldn’t have got the jobs in the Obamunist machine in the first place.

The Justices are going to meet and vote and assign majority and dissent writing chores very soon. Then they are supposed to hold close the decision until it is released near the end of the session in late June. 3mos from now. No way in hell will Kagan – or Sotomayor, for that matter – keep her yap shut about it. They’ll tell their liberal masters the vote the day it is cast.

rayra on March 29, 2012 at 9:36 PM

MontanaMmmm on March 29, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Go for it! Well wishes to you.

bazil9 on March 29, 2012 at 9:37 PM

You could just take a pain pill. /

Take care of yourself.

bazil9 on March 29, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Gee, where have I heard that before? *strokes chin and thinks deeply*

predator on March 29, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Best wishes to you on that MM. Hope all goes well.

predator on March 29, 2012 at 9:41 PM

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