Spike Lee does the wrong thing

posted at 11:00 am on March 28, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

On more than one occasion regarding the subject of the Trayvon Martin shooting, I have warned people about jumping to conclusions ahead of a thorough investigation.  Unfortunately, we have a great demonstration of exactly how that can have potentially deadly consequences.  Filmmaker Spike Lee thought he’d teach George Zimmerman a lesson by tweeting his home address to the world, apparently hoping for a little vigilante justice.  However, Lee tweeted the wrong address — twice — and instead put an elderly couple at risk:

Filmmaker Spike Lee made waves on Twitter last week when he re-tweeted to his 200,000 followers (h/t Twitchy) what was thought to be George Zimmerman’s home address in Sanford, Florida. Mr. Zimmerman told Sanford police last month that he fatally shot 17 year old Trayvon Martin in self-defense.

However, the Edgewater Circle address Mr. Lee re-tweeted out is not part of the gated Retreat at Twin Lakes where the shooting took place and where Mr. Zimmerman lives. The area is not even a gated community.

In fact, I took a drive to that Edgewater Circle address that so many on Twitter re-tweeted and cursed, and I discovered through a neighbor, named Tim, who lives across the street from the address, that not only does George Zimmerman not live at the lakeside house but a woman by the name of Elaine does.

As of this morning, Lee has not removed the tweets from his feed, according to Twitchy.  Perhaps Lee will “do the right thing” by this morning and delete them, because the couple that does live at the address Lee tweeted are understandably frightened about their safety.  The Smoking Gun reports on the McClains and the attention they have received from Lee’s messaging:

In an interview tonight, Elaine McClain told TSG that she and her husband were “afraid” due to the online linking of her address to Zimmerman. “We’re keeping everything locked,” she said. McClain added that the couple was particularly unnerved by a letter mailed to them at their home. On the envelope, she said, were printed the words “Taste The Rainbow,” the slogan for Skittles. Martin was carrying a pack of Skittles and a can of ice tea when he was gunned down by Zimmerman.

McClain said her husband returned the envelope unopened to the post office.

And how did this happen?  Poor research and jumping to conclusions:

Besides overlooking the different middle initial, perhaps that answer is connected to an old voter record for a “William George Zimmerman” at the Edgewater Circle property. That registration, which dates back to 1995, is for a 41-year-old man. The Zimmerman who shot Martin is 28.

Elaine McClain identified William George Zimmerman as her son, noting that he has not lived at the Edgewater Circle residence for seven years.

Jim Treacher points out the irony in this story:

If you’re against vigilantes taking matters into their own hands, except when it comes to dealing with George Zimmerman, #YouMightBeALiberal.

I notice Spike hasn’t been working much lately. I hope he’s been saving his money. Lawyers can be expensive.

Even if the address had been correct, it still would have been the wrong thing to do.  Lee should be ashamed of himself.

The original concern in this shooting incident was that the investigation into the shooting of an unarmed 17-year-old seemed cursory and insufficient.  Thanks to the national attention the case has draw, we now have two major investigations under way, one by the Department of Justice (an investigation endorsed by Rep. Allen West) and another by the state of Florida.  While it’s unlikely that the media will stop reporting tidbits of the story without knowing their full context, the rest of us should wait to see what facts can be established by these two investigations before jumping to any more conclusions — and before putting innocent people at risk like the McClains.

Update: Danny Glover puts Lee and Marcus Higgins in the Twitter Hall of Shame.


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Like I said in my previous post, its a good thing this is being investigated now to the fullest extent and at this point people just need to see what happens with the grand jury and stop wanting to find zimmerman guilty or innocent in the moment.

Realclearblue on March 28, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Oh no, silly.

You should have thought of that before Barack Obama decided to race-bait and declare Zimmerman guilty.

You should have thought of that before Spike Lee tweeted the wrong address and sent his hundreds of thousands of followers off calling for lynchings of Zimmerman.

You should have thought of that before your NBP/DNC put an illegal bounty out on Zimmerman’s head.

But you didn’t. And now you’re getting blowback, so you’re trying to backpedal and spin away.

Wrong. YOU called for violence. YOU put out the bounty. YOU race-baited. YOU tweeted the wrong address. You pre-judged this case and demanded an execution.

Now you’re being exposed as a racist bigot, so you’re trying to blather and lie and pretend you didn’t do what you did.

northdallasthirty on March 28, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Who’s the “ignoramus”?

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 3:11 PM

YOU. I was responding specifically to what the guy was stating. You just butted it and are confusing the issues. I have no desire to waste my time trying to explain it to you because you are like talking to a brick wall that talks back. Go annoy someone else.

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 3:16 PM

MNHawk on March 28, 2012 at 3:07 PM

LOL. No deep pockets for this guy. Someone must have whispered in his ear. Sounds like his mental processes work only in twitter language. I’d say he and Bobby Rush are neck and neck, so far, but far outdistancing the amateurs.

a capella on March 28, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Wrong. YOU called for violence. YOU put out the bounty. YOU race-baited. YOU tweeted the wrong address. You pre-judged this case and demanded an execution.

I Did?!

News to me.

Moron…

Realclearblue on March 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Sue,Sue,SUE!!! I hope that Mr. Lee is left with nothing after this!!! Also where’s the President on all this? Why is he saying nothing on this vigilante justice and what Lee has done? Oh yeah, that’s right he agrees with it!!!

neyney on March 28, 2012 at 3:20 PM

northdallasthirty on March 28, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Sounds like an accurate sumnation.

a capella on March 28, 2012 at 3:20 PM

I have never heard the media use that expression (“white hispanic”) before. The brazenness of their intent to propagandize is mindboggling.

fadetogray on March 28, 2012 at 2:45 PM

“White/Hispanic” is a hitherto unknown race, just discovered by the writers of the NYTimes — and, apparently, consisting of but one, surviving member: Mr.Zimmermann.
One would think that the Times would want to see Mr.Zimmermann protected from harm as the sole representative of a lost race.

Solaratov on March 28, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Solaratov on March 28, 2012 at 3:20 PM

An anthropological first. Now, just an endangered species. A lost tribe. In hiding.

a capella on March 28, 2012 at 3:25 PM

I Did?!

News to me.

Moron…

Realclearblue on March 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Gee, what a surprise.

Black man who has been screaming the entire thread that Trayvon is not responsible for anything and that everything is that evil whitey Zimmerman’s fault doesn’t want to take responsibility for his actions either.

Notice the game that the desperate racist realclearblue is playing: anything and everything to smear Zimmerman, no comment whatsoever on the lynching that the Obama Party/DNC is trying to carry out on Zimmerman, including Obama supporter Spike Lee’s tweeting the wrong address out and encouraging people to attack Zimmerman’s family.

Why should we believe your lies, realclearblue? You and your fellow Obama bigots can’t condemn the NBP for their bounty, or Spike Lee for tweeting the wrong address, or the entire Obama Party for calling for Zimmerman to be lynched.

You have zero credibility here. You’re just like your Obama, coming up with diversionary tactics to hide what is pure racist bigotry on your part, driven by your belief that black skin always means you’re right.

northdallasthirty on March 28, 2012 at 3:28 PM

On the other hand, it is generally impolite to dance on someone’s grave, so RasThavas, admit you may have been a bit over the top and stick to your otherwise clearly excellent comments.

fadetogray on March 28, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Political correct politeness is overrated.

RasThavas on March 28, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Meanwhile, here’s a great example of the duplicity of the lying race pimps like realclearblue.

Among the dead is a 6-year-old girl — identified by the Cook County Medical Examiner’s office as Aliyah Shell — who was shot Saturday outside her house in the 3100 block of South Springfield Avenue, police said. A pickup truck approached and somebody inside began shooting, striking the girl in the abdomen, police said……

Sunday afternoon, police charged two teens with Aliyah’s murder — 18-year-old Juan Barraza and a 16-year-old boy. Both teens are charged with murder and aggravated discharge of a firearm. Police said they recovered a gun at the scene.

Now let’s see; Hispanic shoots a six-year-old child in cold blood. Why isn’t Spike Lee tweeting the wrong address for him and his family, why aren’t the newspapers full of stories about “white Hispanics”, why isn’t the NBP/DNC putting out bounties, etc.?

A whole slew of answers:

1) It happened in Chicago, which is owned and operated by the Obama Party, headed by Obama’s former chief of staff, and the city in which Barack Obama’s community-organizing efforts lowered the lake level and left everyone healing in peace and harmony

2) It happened in a city with among the strictest, if not THE strictest, gun control laws

3) The shooter had a more media-friendly “real Hispanic” surname

Hence, none of this advances the Obama narrative about how white people are all rich gun-carrying racists who are gunning down black children in cold blood, and thus need to be punished. Indeed, it opens rather ugly questions about the Obama Party’s ability to police, the failure of gun laws, and intra-racial tensions, so it must be avoided and pushed out of the news at all costs.

This is what makes this ridiculously cynical, just as how gay-sex liberals only care about teenagers killing themselves when the deaths can be tied to Christians. The concern of people like realclearblue has nothing to do with the person being killed, but how the person’s death and their body can be used to advance the chosen narrative.

And also, it shows the values of the Obama Party and its puppets like realclearblue: suspended drug-using gangbangers are more important than six-year-old children.

northdallasthirty on March 28, 2012 at 3:33 PM

I already said you’re free to discuss the case, Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Why, that’s very gracious of ya.

katy the mean old lady on March 28, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Also where’s the President on all this? Why is he saying nothing on this vigilante justice and what Lee has done? Oh yeah, that’s right he agrees with it!!!

neyney on March 28, 2012 at 3:20 PM

I recon he has already sent him a nice card saying that he approves.

RasThavas on March 28, 2012 at 3:35 PM

The couple can sue but they are not going to get much, just some money to cover their inconvenience and for their mental suffering. Lawsuits are not lotteries even when they are against people we detest.

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Gee, what a surprise.

Black man who has been screaming the entire thread that Trayvon is not responsible for anything and that everything is that evil whitey Zimmerman’s fault doesn’t want to take responsibility for his actions either.

Notice the game that the desperate racist realclearblue is playing: anything and everything to smear Zimmerman, no comment whatsoever on the lynching that the Obama Party/DNC is trying to carry out on Zimmerman, including Obama supporter Spike Lee’s tweeting the wrong address out and encouraging people to attack Zimmerman’s family.

Why should we believe your lies, realclearblue? You and your fellow Obama bigots can’t condemn the NBP for their bounty, or Spike Lee for tweeting the wrong address, or the entire Obama Party for calling for Zimmerman to be lynched.

You have zero credibility here. You’re just like your Obama, coming up with diversionary tactics to hide what is pure racist bigotry on your part, driven by your belief that black skin always means you’re right.

northdallasthirty on March 28, 2012 at 3:28 PM

I think the NBP are fing idiots. However they’re irrelevant and a very small band of extremists who shouldn’t be given credence. They’re morons and I find the idea putting a bounty out for Zimmerman reprehensible. I won’t shed a tear if they’re arrested. I’ve PERSONALLY believed that since day one that we should wait for what the federal authorities find and what the grand jury results in.

Anyways, I’m done replying to your strawman hysterics.

Realclearblue on March 28, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 1:51 PM
Forget it Danish. Quite done with your hysteria.

hawkdriver on March 28, 2012 at 1:55 PM

OMG. I noted a commenter made a seriously objectionable statement about being happy that someone died (a statement which “Kim Roy” is also objecting to, BTW), for some unfathomable reason you decided to choose that moment to go after me, I respond, and now you’re claiming I’m “hysterical”?

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 3:44 PM

MSNBC deliberately parses the call to the dispatcher

First they had this up:

“This guy looks like he’s up to no good … he looks black,” Zimmerman told a police dispatcher from his car. His father has said that Zimmerman is Hispanic, grew up in a multiracial family, and is not racist.

Now, they have changed it to this:

“This guy looks like he’s up to no good,” Zimmerman said in a 911 call. Asked by a dispatcher if he was white, Hispanic or black, he replied, “He looks black.” Zimmerman’s father has said that his son is Hispanic, grew up in a multiracial family, and is not racist.

This is what Zimmerman actually said:

ZIMMERMAN: This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

911 DISPATCHER: Okay, is this guy, is he white, black, or Hispanic?

ZIMMERMAN: He looks black.

JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 3:46 PM

I dunno but I see some people arguing that Martin had the right to stand his ground. However, SYG doesn’t mean you get to circle back and attack someone and especially when the other party has retreated. I do think this new prosecutor is a crack pot with her announced plan to try to get around having a GJ.

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 1:14 PM

I agree. One of the things that is not clear to me based on all the reporting thus far is whether or not Zimmerman actually stopped following Martin.

I am not claiming that he did or did not, I honestly don’t know. He claims he did, but has that been independently verified?

How do we know Martin “circled back” to confront Zimmerman?

There are eye witness accounts that state Martin was on top of Zimmerman, beating him, but did anyone see how the confrontation started? Who initiated it and how? Did anyone see the entire physical altercation, ending with Martin being shot?

Where was Zimmerman’s gun during this whole incident, was it holstered, was it in his waist, was it out? How did Martin know he was armed? How did Zimmerman shoot Martin if he was getting beat upon? Maybe it was an accident if indeed Martin was grabbing for the gun and they both wrestled for it.

Everyone is so focused on what Martin was wearing, what was Zimmerman wearing? Did he identify himself as a neighborhood watch member? It might have made a difference, if Martin thought Zimmerman appeared as shady as Zimmerman thought Martin appeared.

Also, has the location of Martin’s Father’s GF’s home or the Father’s home been identified? Last I had read neither the father nor the father’s girlfriend actually lived in the gated community where Martin was shot. So where did they live in relation to that community?

There’s just too many critical details that are either unknown or just not released. It could have been that this was a situation that spiraled out of control between two people who both felt threatened by the other. . . we just don’t know, and I suspect we probably never will at the rate this case is going.

cmsciulli on March 28, 2012 at 3:47 PM

northdallasthirty on March 28, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Sunday afternoon, police charged two teens with Aliyah’s murder — 18-year-old Juan Barraza and a 16-year-old boy. Both teens are charged with murder and aggravated discharge of a firearm. Police said they recovered a gun at the scene.

Guess what? The people who did this were arrested. GREAT! Notice the difference. They’re not just talked to and then let go. To be fair, the Lead investigator in the Trayvon Martin case wanted to press Manslaughter charges however the DA told them no. Again enough with your strawman hysterics. Peace.

Realclearblue on March 28, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Spiked Lee. What a buffoon!!!

Sherman1864 on March 28, 2012 at 3:48 PM

On more than one occasion regarding the subject of the Trayvon Martin shooting, I have warned people about jumping to conclusions ahead of a thorough investigation.

Yeah, while doing so yourself, including saying Martin should be charged with Murder 2 or Manslaughter.

Mitchell Heisman on March 28, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Sorry, I meant Zimmerman, obviously.

Mitchell Heisman on March 28, 2012 at 3:49 PM

OMG. I noted a commenter made a seriously objectionable statement about being happy that someone died (a statement which “Kim Roy” is also objecting to, BTW), for some unfathomable reason you decided to choose that moment to go after me, I respond, and now you’re claiming I’m “hysterical”?

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 3:44 PM

I’m not much of a fan of yours, as you know, but here’s some friendly advice. Learn to not take comments on a political blog so personally.

JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 3:50 PM

There’s just too many critical details that are either unknown or just not released. It could have been that this was a situation that spiraled out of control between two people who both felt threatened by the other. . . we just don’t know, and I suspect we probably never will at the rate this case is going.

cmsciulli on March 28, 2012 at 3:47 PM

and this is the bottom line really.

Realclearblue on March 28, 2012 at 3:51 PM

YOU. I was responding specifically to what the guy was stating. You just butted it and are confusing the issues. I have no desire to waste my time trying to explain it to you because you are like talking to a brick wall that talks back. Go annoy someone else.

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 3:16 PM

The point is that what you (and others) have stated are “facts” ain’t necessarily “facts” so you and others should not call them “facts”. That’s all. You could say something like, “If what Zimmerman stated on his 911 call is true, that does not meet the legal definition of stalking”. But you have assumed everything Zimmerman said happened as he said it happened, and I’m merely cautioning you (and others) not to make assumptions one way or another at this point.

Seriously, how difficult is it to understand this?

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Besides overlooking the different middle initial, perhaps that answer is connected to an old voter record for a “William George Zimmerman” at the Edgewater Circle property. That registration, which dates back to 1995, is for a 41-year-old man. The Zimmerman who shot Martin is 28.

Are voter registration records from 1995 commonly available to everyone or is this another “Joe the plumber” unwarranted investigation by government officials?

RJL on March 28, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 1:51 PM
Forget it Danish. Quite done with your hysteria.

hawkdriver on March 28, 2012 at 1:55 PM

OMG. I noted a commenter made a seriously objectionable statement about being happy that someone died (a statement which “Kim Roy” is also objecting to, BTW), for some unfathomable reason you decided to choose that moment to go after me, I respond, and now you’re claiming I’m “hysterical”?

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Yes, I guess we should go shopping together to get our 40 mattresses because we are so sensitive.

No. Dancing on the graves of dead people and mocking the family is something liberals do. We certainly didn’t like it when they did with with Breitbart and had to fend off accusations of us doing it with Ted Kennedy so now we behave (or condone) behaving like that? Okay. If this is the direction the site and the commenters want to go, by all means.

I’m certainly up for the fight, as my previous comments for the past couple of years attest to, but this is not the way to do it. It’s not like they haven’t given us enough legitimate items to work with so why wallow in the gutter with them and de-legitimize any argument we may have.

We can do better and fight them better than to wallow with them.

kim roy on March 28, 2012 at 3:58 PM

I think the NBP are fing idiots. However they’re irrelevant and a very small band of extremists who shouldn’t be given credence.

Sorry. Your Barack Obama and your Nancy Pelosi stated that if even one person in the Tea Party made a racist remark, they were all racists.

They’re morons and I find the idea putting a bounty out for Zimmerman reprehensible. I won’t shed a tear if they’re arrested.

But of course, you won’t call for their arrest and prosecution like you’re doing with Zimmerman. Nor will you state that the Department of Justice should investigate them, as you’re demanding with Zimmerman.

I’ve PERSONALLY believed that since day one that we should wait for what the federal authorities find and what the grand jury results in.

Realclearblue on March 28, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Which is why you’re running around screaming that Zimmerman is guilty because he was “stalking” Trayvon.

You’ve already convicted him, and you haven’t waited one minute for anyone to find out anything. You’re a bigoted racist and a liar.

Guess what? The people who did this were arrested. GREAT! Notice the difference. They’re not just talked to and then let go.

Realclearblue on March 28, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Yup. The difference in this case is that racists like yourself can’t push your narrative, so that’s why you’re spinning.

Be a man and admit that your Barack Obama’s re-election is why you’re pushing this Trayvon crap. You clearly don’t care how many black people are shot in Chicago, nor do you care that children are being shot by your fellow Obama supporters.

northdallasthirty on March 28, 2012 at 3:59 PM

The point is ….

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 3:51 PM

You keep misstating what occurred/what was said. I’m not interested in parsing every word for you so you can just go and misstate it again. You’re dishonest and an annoyance…how hard is that for you to understand?

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 4:00 PM

and this is the bottom line really.

Realclearblue on March 28, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Oh, it is?

You should have thought of that before Barack Obama decided to race-bait and declare Zimmerman guilty.

You should have thought of that before Spike Lee tweeted the wrong address and sent his hundreds of thousands of followers off calling for lynchings of Zimmerman.

You should have thought of that before your NBP/DNC put an illegal bounty out on Zimmerman’s head.

But you didn’t. And now you’re getting blowback, so you’re trying to backpedal and spin away.

Wrong. YOU called for violence. YOU put out the bounty. YOU race-baited. YOU tweeted the wrong address. You pre-judged this case and demanded an execution.

Now you’re being exposed as a racist bigot, so you’re trying to blather and lie and pretend you didn’t do what you did.

northdallasthirty on March 28, 2012 at 4:02 PM

But you have assumed everything Zimmerman said happened as he said it happened, and I’m merely cautioning you (and others) not to make assumptions one way or another at this point.

Seriously, how difficult is it to understand this?

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 3:51 PM

If there is, as of now, no evidence available to us that Zimmerman was actually stalking Martin, under the legal definition of stalking, then speculating he was stalking Martin is frivolous and it is demagoguery.

fadetogray on March 28, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Presumption of innocence.

Zimmerman’s statement is true, until it’s proved it’s false. So far as the other evidence has been exposed, his statement has been corroborated 100%.

Rebar on March 28, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Obviously there is a presumption of innocence under the law, but he hasn’t been charged with anything so it’s just a matter of us giving him the benefit of the doubt. Which we should. But I have to wonder what you thought or said during O.J.’s trial. Did you push the presumption of innocence theme and say his testimony was true until proven false? Because, gosh, I have to admit I didn’t believe OJ’s testimony was a true fact despite the jury’s findings. But we’re not even at the Grand Jury stage in this case so we have to be careful about what assumptions we make. Which is the only point I’m making…

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 4:06 PM

If there is, as of now, no evidence available to us that Zimmerman was actually stalking Martin, under the legal definition of stalking, then speculating he was stalking Martin is frivolous and it is demagoguery.
fadetogray on March 28, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Where did I speculate Zimmerman was stalking Martin (either using the legal definition or the broader definition)?

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 4:11 PM

But I have to wonder what you thought or said during O.J.’s trial.

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 4:06 PM

The fact is OJ’s story didn’t hold up, there was physical evidence linking him to the crime, and there was motive. That he was found “not guilty” was pure racism in action.

Here, the evidence – and I disagree with those who say there isn’t enough to say either way – corroborates Zimmerman’s story. Completely. Physical evidence, the 911 transcript, and eyewitness testimony match his statement – what other possible evidence could there be, that would turn all that evidence upside down?

The left is grasping at straws at this point.

Rebar on March 28, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Where did I speculate Zimmerman was stalking Martin (either using the legal definition or the broader definition)?

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 4:11 PM

You didn’t, nor did Blake claim you did. You chastized Blake for “not having enough facts.” Blake stated he has enough facts to refute the assertion of “stalking” that the person he was responding to made.

Blake pegged the situation exactly correctly, here:

I was responding specifically to what the guy was stating. You just butted it and are confusing the issues. I have no desire to waste my time trying to explain it to you because you are like talking to a brick wall that talks back. Go annoy someone else.

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 3:16 PM

You took a specific point that Blake made, and turned it into a general one that you were pushing. You deliberately are confusing the issue. Please stop it.

JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Obviously there is a presumption of innocence under the law, but he hasn’t been charged with anything so it’s just a matter of us giving him the benefit of the doubt. Which we should. But I have to wonder what you thought or said during O.J.’s trial. Did you push the presumption of innocence theme and say his testimony was true until proven false? Because, gosh, I have to admit I didn’t believe OJ’s testimony was a true fact despite the jury’s findings. But we’re not even at the Grand Jury stage in this case so we have to be careful about what assumptions we make. Which is the only point I’m making…

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 4:06 PM

You are oversimplifying what happened during O.J.’s trial, to make a point that makes no sense. We have corroboration for Zimmerman’s testimony, which the original investigation already revealed. You have set up a ridiculous red herring, and since none of us will be sitting on Zimmerman’s jury, should he be charged and go to trial, we can make as many assumptions as we please, without your permission.

JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 4:34 PM

You keep misstating what occurred/what was said. I’m not interested in parsing every word for you so you can just go and misstate it again. You’re dishonest and an annoyance…how hard is that for you to understand?
Blake on March 28, 2012 at 4:00 PM

I quoted your recitation of “the facts” directly. I didn’t “misstate” a damn thing. You keep focusing on your definition of “stalking” but that was not my point. My point was that you used the word “facts” to describe something we don’t know for a fact is factual. We only know for a fact what Zimmerman stated on the call, and we can draw inferences about his state of mind, and so forth, but for you to state, for example, that it’s a “fact” Martin saw him on the phone is beyond our ability to know for certain.

FTR, lest any of you be under the impression I think Trayvon was totally an innocent lamb, I am aware of incriminating things about his behavior, such as the women’s jewelry found in his book bag and a screwdriver which could have been a burglary tool. All I’m saying is we don’t know everything yet and won’t for a long time, and we should be careful not to make premature assumptions or state that things are “facts” which have not yet been determined to be factual.

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 4:44 PM

The left is grasping at straws at this point.

Rebar on March 28, 2012 at 4:19 PM

My suspicion is that internal polling for the Obama regime is showing that black people are starting to look at economic conditions, government activity, and Obama’s job performance, and have started deciding that they need to vote on a basis other than skin color.

Hence why Obama sent out his trained parrots like Realclearblue to spread the “whitey hunting down and shooting black children in cold blood” meme as far and wide as possible.

However, we should also remember that the Obama regime is made up of people who are all more incompetent than Obama AND who are used to being able to say whatever they like without any fact-checking or validation by the media.

My guess? Some lazy-ass Obama staffer saw “Zimmerman”, “Trayvon”,”Florida”, and “gun”, and thought they had a winner — without any additional validation.

northdallasthirty on March 28, 2012 at 4:46 PM

thdallasthirty on March 28, 2012 at 4:46 PM

More confirmation for this.

What conservatives need to do, is make sure the hispanic community knows how eager the democrat party is, to throw them under the bus to rile up their black base.

Rebar on March 28, 2012 at 4:50 PM

I quoted your recitation of “the facts” directly. I didn’t “misstate” a damn thing. You keep focusing on your definition of “stalking” but that was not my point. My point was that you used the word “facts” to describe something we don’t know for a fact is factual. We only know for a fact what Zimmerman stated on the call, and we can draw inferences about his state of mind, and so forth, but for you to state, for example, that it’s a “fact” Martin saw him on the phone is beyond our ability to know for certain.

FTR, lest any of you be under the impression I think Trayvon was totally an innocent lamb, I am aware of incriminating things about his behavior, such as the women’s jewelry found in his book bag and a screwdriver which could have been a burglary tool. All I’m saying is we don’t know everything yet and won’t for a long time, and we should be careful not to make premature assumptions or state that things are “facts” which have not yet been determined to be factual.

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 4:44 PM

He (and I) can unequivocally state that Mr. Zimmerman was not stalking Mr. Martin.

Why? Because stalking requires far more than a single incident of following someone. (It also takes threats of harm as well, which, if you had read the pertinent laws that Blake quoted, you would know.)

His point is that the Martin supporters are diliberately conflating “following” with “stalking”. “Following” may eventually become “stalking” but it cannot have been the case here.

makattak on March 28, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Psycho.

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM

The left is grasping at straws at this point.
Rebar on March 28, 2012 at 4:19 PM

There is no doubt the left and race hustlers and Black Panthers are stoking this story and it’s a very dangerous, volatile thing for them to be doing. And Obama’s/Holders silence about the vigilantism is shocking. But until a grand jury has convened you cannot presume to know you know everything you need to know.

…..we can make as many assumptions as we please, without your permission.
JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Of course you can. But an assumption is not a fact. An assumption is a guess. There are other things you can “presume” to be true because there is evidence available which makes it more than a mere guess. But no one, not a single one of you, can state with certainty, beyond a doubt, you know exactly what happened that night. It’s too early to make that determination, too many gaps which need to be filled in…

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Why? Because stalking requires far more than a single incident of following someone. (It also takes threats of harm as well, which, if you had read the pertinent laws that Blake quoted, you would know.)

makattak on March 28, 2012 at 5:02 PM

He would also be the first stalker in history, to be stalking his victim while on the phone with 911 begging for police to show up.

Rebar on March 28, 2012 at 5:08 PM

He would also be the first stalker in history, to be stalking his victim while on the phone with 911 begging for police to show up.

Rebar on March 28, 2012 at 5:08 PM

You really have to wonder how they are going to try to make a hate crime out of this. I believe I mentioned earlier that he and his wife took black kids out to sports games. I also think I read that he had black family members and of course, he has black friends. They have the alleged slur on tape but that has been dismantled and I don’t see people harping about it anymore.

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Spike Lee is a pitiful, effeminate, professional race baiter. He has done very well for himself in this racist country by pandering to the lowest element in our society. Considering the accomplishments and contributions of the majority of hard working Americans, his input is insignificant.

rjh on March 28, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 5:14 PM

They’ll do it just like they always do:

Questioning their charges of racism, is simply racist.

Rebar on March 28, 2012 at 5:17 PM

You really have to wonder how they are going to try to make a hate crime out of this. I believe I mentioned earlier that he and his wife took black kids out to sports games. I also think I read that he had black family members and of course, he has black friends. They have the alleged slur on tape but that has been dismantled and I don’t see people harping about it anymore.

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Those facts are very inconvenient for the racism narrative.

There is a reason that MSNBC took Zimmerman’s comments out of context, eliminating the part about how he thought Martin was behaving strangely and might be on drugs. The narrative they have set up of an innocent young “child” who just went out to get Skittles and iced tea is falling apart.

That won’t matter to people like libfreeordie, who see racism around every corner, but it will matter to people who don’t jump to conclusions based on emotion and really believe in due process.

There is also a reason that liberals like realclearblue are trying to paint the NBP as extreme and “insignificant.” They know that if anything happens, and innocent people are hurt or killed in riots, they will have to own it, and they are already setting themselves up a “defense.”

JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 5:24 PM

He would also be the first stalker in history, to be stalking his victim while on the phone with 911 begging for police to show up.

Rebar on March 28, 2012 at 5:08 PM

It’s certainly true that we don’t know exactly what happened, and how the confrontation actually occurred, but we do know that Zimmerman was following Martin, and after the dispatcher told him “you don’t need to do that,” Martin said, “okay.”

The distorted narrative that they painted of that, that Zimmerman was told to stop following Martin, and he continued to do so, “against the orders of the police,” is also, obviously deliberate.

The propaganda surrounding this case is making it incredibly difficult to get the known facts straight. Heaven help Zimmerman after this case has already been tried, every which way, in the media.

JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 5:28 PM

He (and I) can unequivocally state that Mr. Zimmerman was not stalking Mr. Martin….et cetera…
makattak on March 28, 2012 at 5:02 PM

I have not disputed that! But Blake said:

Oh, stop it! You don’t get to change the facts. He called 911, Martin saw him on the phone and ran right past him, ZMan got out to see where he ran to, when the operator asked if he was following him, he said yes, the operator said there was no need to do that, and then Zman said okay. They then talked about meeting the officers. Zman said that he then was walking back to his truck.
Blake on March 28, 2012 at 1:46 PM

To which I made the outrageously outrageous comment:

You don’t know the “facts” either. None of us do. We have nothing but bits and pieces at this point and in no way have the full picture of what happened. Can we wait for the grand jury, please?
Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 2:00 PM

We only know what Zimmerman said to the 911 operator, we don’t know yet for a freaking “fact” that everything he said he saw, or thinks he saw is true. If Blake is going to complain that someone is “changing the facts” it’s fair to ask her to be careful in what she labels “facts” herself. To the extent she thought I was disagreeing with her on stalking I’m sorry if I left that impression initially. I have repeatedly said that was not my point that I’m only taking issue with the use of the word “fact”.

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Racism.

KMC1 on March 28, 2012 at 5:40 PM

I feel sorry for Florida; and the crap they’re going to be put through because of this incident…

Meanwhile, to p(l)iss off the seriously demented (Spike, are ya listening?) I started to follow *just* the Police Blotter for those states from where Sharton, Jackson, Lee and President Obama currently reside in, and which black on black crime, shootings and criminal activity has occurred.

For instance, read the Blotter for Chicago, IL; Brooklyn, NY, Washington, DC & Miami, FL….Tell me what you find, and ask these self appointed dipsh…err *Community* leaders, and ask where is the outrage for THOSE deaths and crimes?

BlaxPac on March 28, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Blake’s point stands. Your point stands. Neither have anything to do with the other.

Move on.

JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 6:08 PM

http://nation.foxnews.com/spike-lee/2012/03/28/spike-lee-no-comment-dangerous-trayvon-martin-tweet

Sue his punk ***.

Sue, sue, and then sue that sawed-off punk some more.

Dreadnought on March 28, 2012 at 6:09 PM

The race riots should be a hoot…!

/

Seven Percent Solution on March 28, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Blake’s point stands. Your point stands. Neither have anything to do with the other.
Move on.
JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Her point about stalking stands. And of course my point about facts stands. You essentially made the same point – the point for which I’ve been labeled a “psycho” for making. Meanwhile, I was responding to other commenters, and I’ll “move on” when I’m good and ready.

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Spike Lee is an epic fail.

itsspideyman on March 28, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Ed, you should talk about the new panther party bounty in this post too..just as outrageous as that tweet by spike lee…fun times in florida right now

i feel terrible for that senior couple..they didn’t deserve any of this

sadsushi on March 28, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Her point about stalking stands. And of course my point about facts stands. You essentially made the same point – the point for which I’ve been labeled a “psycho” for making. Meanwhile, I was responding to other commenters, and I’ll “move on” when I’m good and ready.

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 7:02 PM

No. Better think again. That is not why you were labeled a psycho.

JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Her point about stalking stands. And of course my point about facts stands. You essentially made the same point – the point for which I’ve been labeled a “psycho” for making. Meanwhile, I was responding to other commenters, and I’ll “move on” when I’m good and ready.

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 7:02 PM

It’s “he” and you are a psycho.

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Her point about stalking stands. And of course my point about facts stands. You essentially made the same point – the point for which I’ve been labeled a “psycho” for making. Meanwhile, I was responding to other commenters, and I’ll “move on” when I’m good and ready.

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 7:02 PM

You had an emotional, knee jerk reaction to the word ‘fact.’

I acknowledged that Blake is right, that there are some facts that are certain here, as he demonstrated, so, NO, I did not make essentially the same point you did. If you think that, then you are not as bright as you think you are, and Blake has a point about your behavior.

JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Blake’s point stands. Your point stands. Neither have anything to do with the other.
Move on.
JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Her point about stalking stands. And of course my point about facts stands. You essentially made the same point – the point for which I’ve been labeled a “psycho” for making. Meanwhile, I was responding to other commenters, and I’ll “move on” when I’m good and ready.

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 7:02 PM

And when can we look forward to that?

(Couldn’t help myself…)

tom on March 28, 2012 at 8:04 PM

No. Better think again. That is not why you were labeled a psycho.
JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Ah. Is this where I take your “friendly advice” and “learn to not take comments on a political blog so personally”?

You know JannyMae, you claim to have been here for “years”. Funny, but I don’t recall you being here until recently and I’ve been here for 6 years. You sure are filled with advice for me. How did I ever survive without you?/

It’s “he” and you are a psycho.
Blake on March 28, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Sorry to have gotten your gender wrong. Why am I a psycho again? I went back and re-read every comment I made. (Unlike you, who behaved like a pissant) I was reasonable and polite throughout (until the very end when I used the “damn” word after you falsely claimed I was making “misstatements”). Ironic that.

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Like I said in my previous post, its a good thing this is being investigated now to the fullest extent and at this point people just need to see what happens with the grand jury and stop wanting to find zimmerman guilty or innocent in the moment.

Realclearblue on March 28, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Oh no, silly.

You should have thought of that before Barack Obama decided to race-bait and declare Zimmerman guilty.

You should have thought of that before Spike Lee tweeted the wrong address and sent his hundreds of thousands of followers off calling for lynchings of Zimmerman.

You should have thought of that before your NBP/DNC put an illegal bounty out on Zimmerman’s head.

But you didn’t. And now you’re getting blowback, so you’re trying to backpedal and spin away.

Wrong. YOU called for violence. YOU put out the bounty. YOU race-baited. YOU tweeted the wrong address. You pre-judged this case and demanded an execution.

Now you’re being exposed as a racist bigot, so you’re trying to blather and lie and pretend you didn’t do what you did.

northdallasthirty on March 28, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Realclearblue did all that? Really?

I think he’s being too sympathetic to Martin, who seems to be the one at fault here. But it could be as Paul-Cincy said, just a case of really bad judgement from a 17-year old. I’ve known plenty of 17-year olds who think they’re invincible, and I could see one getting offended, trying to “teach someone a lesson,” and just assuming nothing bad could ever come of it. He may not have been a bad kid, he may have overreacted to someone following him, he may have been bling to the fact that he was looking suspicious and in a community where he had no business being, etc.

But in spite of all that, unless more facts come out as a result of this investigation, it appears he attacked Zimmerman. And once he attacked, Zimmerman was entitled to defend himself.

It’s one thing to talk about “proportional” responses when you’re dealing with nations. It’s another thing entirely to try to enforce some kind of “proportionality” when an individual is attacked by another. A gun may not seem “proportional” when you’re attacked with fists, but if someone’s trying to kill you, or you think they are, then it doesn’t make any difference if they’re trying to bash your head against the ground or whether they pull a gun. Dead is dead. If there’s a fear of death, then a response in kind is justified.

We have the luxury of time to investigate the event and decide if it was justified or unjustified. At the time of the attack, if this is accurate, Zimmerman had very little time to decide whether to shoot or not.

Presumption of innocence.

tom on March 28, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Uh oh Zimmerman apologists. The ish is truly about to hit the fan. The police have released video of Zimmerman being brought into police headquarters on the night of Trayvon Martin’s shooting. Where he was questioned and then released on his own recognizance. Except, there’s a slight problem.

George Zimmerman is wearing red. The lone eye witness said the guy in red was on top.

George Zimmerman’s nose is not bleeding and there is no blood on his shirt.

George Zimmeran’s head has not been smashed into the ground repeatedly, there’s NO evidence of head lacerations.

So one of two things are possible. Either George Zimmerman is Wolverine and has a magical healing factor.

Or George Zimmerman and the Sanford PD are LIARS!

See the images for yourself!
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-28/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-video-20120328_1_police-video-patrol-car-police-headquarters

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 8:19 PM

You had an emotional, knee jerk reaction to the word ‘fact.’

I acknowledged that Blake is right, that there are some facts that are certain here, as he demonstrated, so, NO, I did not make essentially the same point you did. If you think that, then you are not as bright as you think you are, and Blake has a point about your behavior.

JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 7:45 PM

It wasn’t an “emotional” or “knee jerk” reaction. It was consistent with comments I had made earlier about the need to wait for the Grand Jury. Did you happen to read them? I don’t claim to be an, er, psychic, but I doubt it…

The point we both made is this:

It’s certainly true that we don’t know exactly what happened, and how the confrontation actually occurred, but we do know that Zimmerman was following Martin, and after the dispatcher told him “you don’t need to do that,” Martin said, “okay.”
JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 5:28 PM</blockquote

You saying we "don't know exactly what happened" is totally cool, but when I say it I'm a "psycho"?

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Here’s the full footage from ABC news. George Zimmerman is fastest healer to ever grace the earth. The man needs to be cloned!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Blake and Jenny, why doesn’t George Zimmerman have a single bruise or trace of blood on his face? Where are the head lacerations?

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Blake and Jenny, why doesn’t George Zimmerman have a single bruise or trace of blood on his face? Where are the head lacerations?

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 8:30 PM

That video is not clear enough to prove he did not have lacerations, but it is clear enough it seems that if there are lacerations, they aren’t severe (we already knew that since he didn’t get treated until the next day). Moreover, the lack of apparent damage is bound to reignite the lynch mob eager to string up an hispanic Democrat.

More popcorn!

fadetogray on March 28, 2012 at 8:35 PM

That video is not clear enough to prove he did not have lacerations, but it is clear enough it seems that if there are lacerations, they aren’t severe (we already knew that since he didn’t get treated until the next day). Moreover, the lack of apparent damage is bound to reignite the lynch mob eager to string up an hispanic Democrat.

More popcorn!

fadetogray on March 28, 2012 at 8:35 PM

It demonstrates that the police and Zimmerman were so confident that no one would care about this unidentified black John Doe that they didn’t even bother to think about lying about Zimmerman’s severe injuries. There is no way that Trayon Martin “broke Zimmerman’s nose” as Martin’s lawyer claims or that he was “covered in his own blood” or his head was “smashed into the sidewalk multiple times.” The dude doesn’t have a scratch on him. He lied about Trayon attacking him, he lied about being in fear for his life and he lied about being severely injured. And the police helped him. And conservatives in their zeal to deny that the police are racist bought it hook, like and sinker.

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Sue the pants off of him. These people could now have a palatial mansion in Switerzland. Imagine calling for people to go there and not even checking out that it is the right address!

Blake and Jenny, why doesn’t George Zimmerman have a single bruise or trace of blood on his face? Where are the head lacerations?
libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Just like the little 12 (now he’s 17, 6’3″) year old boy we see in the picture, this has to be an earlier picture of Zimmerman. He was not arrested so there is not police pix of him, I assume. He has a broken nose, for crying out loud.
OK, I haven’t read 5 pages of comments, so if there is proof that this is the arrest pix, I’ll apologize.

Bambi on March 28, 2012 at 8:43 PM

More popcorn!
fadetogray on March 28, 2012 at 8:35 PM

If you want popcorn, it’s best you consume it at the movies. Vigilantism isn’t funny. Ginning up racial division isn’t funny. Terrorizing innocent people isn’t funny. Stoking riots (should they occur) isn’t funny. Obama/Holder’s (and Ms. Napalitano’s) silence isn’t funny. Funny how the best way for O to be reelected is to get out the black vote.

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Here’s the full footage from ABC news. George Zimmerman is fastest healer to ever grace the earth. The man needs to be cloned!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 8:26 PM

So you have video of the attack?

No?

Then I guess you don’t have a smoking gun, yet.

tom on March 28, 2012 at 8:47 PM

He has a broken nose, for crying out loud.
OK, I haven’t read 5 pages of comments, so if there is proof that this is the arrest pix, I’ll apologize.

Bambi on March 28, 2012 at 8:43 PM

No Bambi, he didn’t. He doesn’t even have a swollen nose. They LIED. The police lied to cover up for their friend. And they knew they could get away with it because it was just another dead black boy in a hoodie. A “no good thug” whose life didn’t matter. That smooth uninjured head is the face of racism in America. Deal.

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 8:49 PM

So you have video of the attack?

No?

Then I guess you don’t have a smoking gun, yet.

tom on March 28, 2012 at 8:47 PM

I’ve got Zimmerman’s lawyers claiming that Trayvon broke Zimmerman’s nose. That he had blood all over his shirt. That he had his head smashed into the ground multiple times. The an doesn’t have a *scratch* on him. Why did they lie?

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Blake and Jenny, why doesn’t George Zimmerman have a single bruise or trace of blood on his face? Where are the head lacerations?

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 8:30 PM

This is one of the dumbest comments I have ever read of your many dumb comments. The video is not clear, from a distance and with a logo blocking him. And he was tended at the scene by paramedics which means they cleaned him up. The same thing happened to me when I fell down an escalator and ended up with 10 staples on my scalp. EMT was called, I refuse to be transported, they cleaned me up, an I drove myself to the ER.

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 8:53 PM

libfree has sooper human xray vision!

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 8:55 PM

If you want popcorn, it’s best you consume it at the movies. Vigilantism isn’t funny. Ginning up racial division isn’t funny. Terrorizing innocent people isn’t funny. Stoking riots (should they occur) isn’t funny. Obama/Holder’s (and Ms. Napalitano’s) silence isn’t funny. Funny how the best way for O to be reelected is to get out the black vote.

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Of course vigilantism isn’t funny. You miss the point. The Democrat Party doing a full court press to lynch an hispanic Democrat who most likely voted for Obama is a riot.

If you do not understand dark humor, just say so.

Meanwhile, I’ll enjoy the show.

fadetogray on March 28, 2012 at 8:56 PM

I’ve got Zimmerman’s lawyers claiming that Trayvon broke Zimmerman’s nose. That he had blood all over his shirt. That he had his head smashed into the ground multiple times. The an doesn’t have a *scratch* on him. Why did they lie?

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Better calm down there, sparky, you’re getting incoherent again.

JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Officer first on the scene said Zimmerman was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head. Of course, he must be lying because it does not fit libfree’s narrative.

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 9:06 PM

It’s certainly true that we don’t know exactly what happened, and how the confrontation actually occurred……

Buy Danish, I was specifically talking about how the confrontation occurred. We have other facts, before and after, that are both certain and beyond a reasonable doubt. I did not make the same point you did.

You saying we “don’t know exactly what happened” is totally cool, but when I say it I’m a “psycho”?

It’s not your opinion that makes you psycho, it’s your aberrant behavior. You have absolutely no awareness of how rambling and incoherent you are. That’s your problem not mine.

Keep spinning. I’ll go back to ignoring you, like I should have done several posts ago.

JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 9:06 PM

If all the blacks in America moved to Africa today, which way would crime go up or down? You know the answer.

gp403220 on March 28, 2012 at 9:14 PM

northdallasthirty on March 28, 2012 at 3:28 PM

SHAZAAM!!!

I do believe I would like to buy this “northdallasthirty” fellow a beer..

MooCowBang on March 28, 2012 at 9:19 PM

If you can’t see blood on his shirt, that means he didn’t shoot Martin. The whole incident never happened.

#gotmylibfreeordiethinkingcapon!

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 9:21 PM

If all the blacks in America moved to Africa today, which way would crime go up or down? You know the answer.

gp403220 on March 28, 2012 at 9:14 PM

If all of the poor people in America moved to Africa today, which way would crime go, up or down?

If all of the young people in America moved to Africa today, which way would crime go, up or down?

Race is only a meaningful measure of anything when there are many people who insist on considering it a meaningful measure.

Unfortunately, the American Voter in his/her gullible idiocy keeps electing America haters (DEMOCRATS) who insist race is the most important thing about people and keep dividing us on the basis of race.

fadetogray on March 28, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Officer first on the scene said Zimmerman was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head. Of course, he must be lying because it does not fit libfree’s narrative. because the video evidence shows a bald man without a scratch on him.

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Fixed it for ya.

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Remember when this thread was about Spike Lee tweeting the address of some innocent people and he was refusing to apologize?

itsspideyman on March 28, 2012 at 9:32 PM

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 9:26 PM

You can’t see any blood on his clothes so Martin was never shot. Admit it.

#thinkinglikelibfreedamagesyourbrain!

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Remember when this thread was about Spike Lee tweeting the address of some innocent people and he was refusing to apologize?

itsspideyman on March 28, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Why should Spike apologize? That old couple are White Oppressors, and Spike is an Oppressed Minority.

If you do not understand, it is because you do not understand Obama’s beloved Critical Race Theory. Society is set up so it has benefitted that old white couple all their lives. Suffering Spike has had to struggle against Oppression by the White Power Structure all of his life. So they should be apologizing to him!

fadetogray on March 28, 2012 at 9:46 PM

That odd couple have hired themselves a big buck law firm. Spike should apologize just to mitigate the $$$ damages he will be paying out.

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Of course vigilantism isn’t funny. You miss the point. The Democrat Party doing a full court press to lynch an hispanic Democrat who most likely voted for Obama is a riot.

If you do not understand dark humor, just say so.

Meanwhile, I’ll enjoy the show.

fadetogray on March 28, 2012 at 8:56 PM

I get dark humor (no pun intended). I’m just saying there is nothing funny about this. Even watching that pink-hatted fool acting out on the House Floor today and her sidekick, race-baiting thug, Bobby Rush in his Hoodie is not funny; it’s pathetic. It’s like we’re living in some sort of Kafkaesque world where they’re the normal ones who should be re-elected and run the country and the free world, while the rest of us are the out-of-the mainstream outliers.

It’s not your opinion that makes you psycho, it’s your aberrant behavior. You have absolutely no awareness of how rambling and incoherent you are. That’s your problem not mine. Blah blah blah.
JannyMae on March 28, 2012 at 9:06 PM

I’m “Incoherent”? Really? I display, “Aberrant behavior”? Are you effing kidding me? I ask that we wait for the grand jury; earlier I noted that a commenter made a despicable comment laughing about Martin’s death. And I’m the “abberant” one? What exactly are your credentials to make these judgments?

BTW, can you show me an example of your commenting here “years ago”? I must have missed it. Thanks in advance.

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 9:53 PM

That odd couple have hired themselves a big buck law firm. Spike should apologize just to mitigate the $$$ damages he will be paying out.
Blake on March 28, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Heh. Didn’t you tell us a few pages back that their was nothing they could sue for other than “lottery” money, or something? BTW, why are you referring to them as an “odd couple”? Did I miss some joke earlier or is this a Blake original?

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 9:57 PM

You can’t see any blood on his clothes so Martin was never shot. Admit it.

#thinkinglikelibfreedamagesyourbrain!

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Well except that Martin *was* shot. The lack of blood and injuries puts holes in Zimmerman’s claims of self-defense. The fact of Martin’s death is pretty undeniable. If *thats* all you’ve got in response to that video, it shows how deeply you are in the tank for the police. No doubt you felt the same way after Sean Bell’s murder.

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 9:57 PM

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 9:26 PM

You do realize Zimmerman had been treated by paramedics before he went to the police station. Oh wait! You probably didn’t get that message from your sources. Consider yourself informed…

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Well except that Martin *was* shot.

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 9:57 PM

If we can’t see his blood on Zimmermann’s clothes, Martin was not shot. You’ve been lying to us.

#libfreeordieshotMartinohnoesss!

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 10:03 PM

You do realize Zimmerman had been treated by paramedics before he went to the police station. Oh wait! You probably didn’t get that message from your sources. Consider yourself informed…

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Of course not, Buy Danish.

Libfreeordie is just repeating the talking points the Obama Party is pushing out. The poor pathetic Obama supporters are trying to push that lie all over Twitter, and are getting repulsed by person after person pointing out that Zimmerman had been treated by paramedics prior to going to the police station.

They truly are desperate. And it shows you what kind of racist filth they are, given that the Barack Obama/DNC fully endorsed and supported the illegal Black Panther bounty AND Spike Lee’s tweet driving people out of their house.

northdallasthirty on March 28, 2012 at 10:04 PM

You do realize Zimmerman had been treated by paramedics before he went to the police station. Oh wait! You probably didn’t get that message from your sources. Consider yourself informed…

Buy Danish on March 28, 2012 at 10:01 PM

The claim from Zimmerman’s lawyer and the Sanford PD is that Trayvon beat Zimmerman so badly that he was in fear of losing his life. Instead of being afraid that he may simply lose a fight he started. The lawyer claimed that Martin broke Zimmerman’s nose. Zimmerman claims that Martin “beat his head on the sidewalk repeatedly.” Now I can believe that the paramedics can clean up some blood, but you’re telling me they can close and heal lacerations with no stitches? You’re telling me that a broken and bloody nose doesn’t have *any* bruises, any evidence of medical tape. Nothing? And you’re telling me that a man whose head was beaten against the ground repeatedly doesn’t have one single bandage on it?

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 10:05 PM

It’s like we’re living in some sort of Kafkaesque world where they’re the normal ones who should be re-elected and run the country and the free world, while the rest of us are the out-of-the mainstream outliers.

Now that is hilarious, in a The World Is Upside Down kind of way. Reality is a Black Comedy …. well, unless “Black Comedy” is no longer a politically correct term.

fadetogray on March 28, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Officer first on the scene said Zimmerman was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head. Of course, he must be lying because it does not fit libfree’s narrative. because the video evidence shows a bald man without a scratch on him.

Blake on March 28, 2012 at 9:06 PM
Fixed it for ya.

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 9:26 PM

I’m sure the paramedics at the scene didn’t clean up his wounds.

And you never see the back of his head in that grainy video, which is where most of his injuries occurred.

Do you have anything to say about your sawed-off, pun-*** friend, Mars, who stuck his Nike-clad foot about a yard into his big, fat stupid mouth, on Twitter?

Didn’t think so.

Dreadnought on March 28, 2012 at 10:08 PM

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