Toobin: “Train wreck for the Obama administration” today on individual mandate
posted at 12:45 pm on March 27, 2012 by Ed Morrissey
Call it The Faceplant Heard ‘Round The Nation. CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin, who had earlier predicted that the Supreme Court would uphold the individual mandate, called the first half of oral arguments on the issue “a train wreck for the Obama administration,” and openly predicted that the court would overturn at least that part of ObamaCare:
The Supreme Court just wrapped up the second day of oral arguments in the landmark case against President Obama’s healthcare overhaul, and reports from inside the courtroom indicate that the controversial law took quite a beating.
Today’s arguments focused around the central constitutional question of whether Congress has the power to force Americans to either pay for health insurance or pay a penalty.
According to CNN’s legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin, the arguments were “a train wreck for the Obama administration.”
“This law looks like it’s going to be struck down. I’m telling you, all of the predictions including mine that the justices would not have a problem with this law were wrong,” Toobin just said on CNN.
Toobin questioned the preparation of Obama administration Solicitor General Donald Verilli, saying he was “not ready” to answer questions on the mandate:
Toobin added that he felt that U.S. Solicitor General David Verrilli simply wasn’t prepared for the conservative justices.
“I don’t know why he had a bad day,” he said. “He is a good lawyer, he was a perfectly fine lawyer in the really sort of tangential argument yesterday. He was not ready for the answers for the conservative justices.”
Toobin also said that Anthony Kennedy looked like a “lost cause” for mandate supporters. CBS’ Jan Crawford tweeted out Kennedy’s comments during the arguments:
KENNEDY: Health care law “changes the relationship between the individual and the government in a very fundamental way.”
KENNEDY: Can you “create” commerce in order to regulate it? Suggests govt has “heavy burden” in health care case.
Crawford also reported heavy skepticism during oral arguments, noting that a majority appeared “[t]roubled there would be no limits on Congressional power.”
We’ll update this as we get video and more reaction. At the moment, though, the White House has to be less than pleased.
Update: The Hill also notes Kennedy’s skepticism. The report also concludes that the four liberal justices seemed ready to support the mandate:
Tom Goldstein, the author of a popular Scotus Supreme Court blog, offered a mid-argument update in which he said there was no fifth vote yet in favor of or against the mandate.
He wrote that the four more liberal justices on the court appeared to be in favor of the mandate, while conservatives were expressing skepticism.
In other words … 5-4, here we come.
Update II: Here’s the video from TPM:
Update III: My column today for The Week looks at the political implications of the possible outcomes of the Supreme Court decision on ObamaCare. Here are my predictions for two cases, updated moments ago:
3. Overturn the individual mandate alone
Easily the most unpopular part of the bill, the individual mandate, which requires Americans to obtain health insurance, is also the most constitutionally fraught. It’s also the financial linchpin of ObamaCare. Without it, the insurers who gave qualified support for the PPACA would go broke, thanks to additional must-insure mandates and an abolition of bars on pre-existing conditions. Given the already-expressed skepticism from Breyer and Ginsburg about the argument that the mandate is a tax, the real possibility exists that the court may strike this down, and not just on a 5-4 vote. During Tuesday’s argument, swing justice Anthony Kennedy was “enormously skeptical” of the individual mandate, as CNN’s Jeffrey Toobin put it. Indeed, the punditocracy’s instant analysis suggests the mandate is not long for this world. …4. Overturn the entire bill
Two lower courts split on the question of whether a lack of a severability clause in the PPACA meant that Congress intended the bill to be an all-or-nothing proposition. If the court determines that one or more of the components are unconstitutional — especially the central individual mandate — and that Congress deliberately chose not to include a severability clause, then the court could throw out the entire PPACA.If the court strikes down the mandate on a 5-4 split and/or throws out the whole bill, mandate advocates could argue that the court took a political rather than legal position. But that won’t convince anyone except the true believers. With a majority of people already opposed to the individual mandate, it would only deepen their impression of ObamaCare as a radical departure, and make it even less likely that Obama could fashion a way to salvage the framework of his reform — even if House Republicans were inclined to help Obama escape from the trap. If one or more of the liberal justices join in declaring the mandate and/or the entire bill unconstitutional, then the PPACA becomes an albatross around Obama’s neck, and also those Democrats in the Senate running for re-election.
Update IV: There’s more consensus on both the direction of the court today and the performance of Verilli, mainly from the Left:
Jamie Dupree, reporter for Cox Radio, tweeted, “One thing was clear, the Solicitor General [Donald B. Verrilli Jr.] (arguing for the Obama Administration) had a bad day in court.” Justice Kennedy asked him the seemingly skeptical question, “Can you create commerce in order to regulate it?”
“Essentially, the Solicitor General’s performance was so abysmal that it fell to the [Democratic] appointees to make his argument for him,” says Adam Serwer, reporter for Mother Jones.
Update V: The Solicitor General’s name is Donald Verilli, not David Verelli. I’ve fixed it above.
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ENOUGH!
nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 1:02 PM
I cant stop the LOL.
bazil9 on May 11, 2013 at 1:05 PM
Divorce lawyers hardest hit.
locomotivebreath1901 on May 11, 2013 at 1:08 PM
What kind of gold digging miscreants is she hanging around with anyway? Not that marriages of convenience haven’t existed long before the United States became the United States though. That clip should be used as a campaign ad for her opponent in the next election in her district.
On a side note, I have a friend who got married to the wrong person, just so he could have regular sex with a stripper. Does that mean we should make prostitution legal, in order to solve that swath of bad marriages?
Flyovercountry on May 11, 2013 at 1:08 PM
It`s like Congress has been inbreeding for the past 50 yrs. or have picked up a lead paint eating habit.
ThePrez on May 11, 2013 at 1:09 PM
I had a friend who got married to the wrong person just so she could have heath insurance.
rotf…
Figures she would have a kook ball friend.
What a heart wrenching story. /
bazil9 on May 11, 2013 at 1:09 PM
The White House is marking Mother’s Day, which is this Sunday, by celebrating free birth control provided by Obamacare http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wh-marks-mothers-day-celebrating-free-birth-control_722143.html
Doesn’t this remind you of the snake oil salesmen who used to sell tonics that could cure everything from the common cold to leprosy. What’s actually worse is that people are dumb enough to actually fall for it.
bandutski on May 11, 2013 at 1:11 PM
It`s like Congress has been inbreeding for the past 50 yrs. or have picked up a lead paint eating habit.
ThePrez on May 11, 2013 at 1:09 PM
lol..
Dude..sometimes all I can do is laugh..even in serious times.
The only way to not go mad.
bazil9 on May 11, 2013 at 1:12 PM
Because this is just too awesome to leave only in the Green Room.
Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM
The idiocy of Janice Hahn surprises nobody from the Los Angeles area.
Mark1971 on May 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM
hahahaha….loved it.
New pick up line..
Hey baby..I got killer health insurance..wink*
bazil9 on May 11, 2013 at 1:19 PM
for anyone interested, Michelle Bachman won the 2013 Craziest Congressman Award on the Bill Maher show
nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 1:19 PM
I had a friend who got married to the wrong person just so she could have heath insurance AND a McMansion, a Mercedes Benz, a pool, a sauna, tennis courts, club membership, a summer place on the Vineyard, a masseuse, a tax consultant and a therapist. Why settle for just health insurance, honey? Use that money-maker.
rhombus on May 11, 2013 at 1:20 PM
I will also bring up that there is something fundamentally wrong with the concept of “married to the wrong person”. It’s the kind of sentiment that completely embraces cereal divorce.
Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 1:20 PM
Damn babe..I was just laid off..COBRA Premiums..can’t afford’em.
Enter>>divorce court.
bazil9 on May 11, 2013 at 1:20 PM
embraces cereal divorce.
Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 1:20 PM
Fruit Loops or Frosted Flakes?
bazil9 on May 11, 2013 at 1:22 PM
Well sure it can improve marriages, but can it get out grass stain?
onomo on May 11, 2013 at 1:22 PM
My bad spelling strikes again!
If it wasn’t for spell check, I’d be totally unintelligible, instead of just a sucker for wrong word errors.
Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 1:25 PM
G.O.V.E.R.N.M.E.N.T. can fix all.
mjbrooks3 on May 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM
No worries..I do it all the time.
Was teasing you. Was funny.
I am not a spelling Nazi like some at HA.
bazil9 on May 11, 2013 at 1:29 PM
It’s amazing to me that we have to live in fear of these people’s decisions.
jawkneemusic on May 11, 2013 at 1:30 PM
So, in hind sight, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 1:32 PM
As an insurance broker..I find this beyond amusing.
There are plenty of shady ways her friend could have achieved coverage..without marriage..
and plenty of honest ways to purchase coverage..but didn’t.
Her “friend” is an idiot..no wonder they are friends.
bazil9 on May 11, 2013 at 1:32 PM
So she hangs out with hookers. Got it.
WhatSlushfund on May 11, 2013 at 1:35 PM
ENOUGH!nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 1:02 PM
Enough what?
Lmao…I don’t know what you mean but is this a sign that YOU have had enough of the bullcrap that you love so much? O-0
Scrumpy on May 11, 2013 at 1:35 PM
bazil9 on May 11, 2013 at 1:32 PM
You are on a roll!! laughing so much my sides hurt!!!! :-D
Scrumpy on May 11, 2013 at 1:36 PM
@Scrump… :)
bazil9 on May 11, 2013 at 1:39 PM
Hey scrump..support ssm..
I got an awesome plan. Dental and vision too!
*wink
I may be the wrong person but who cares.
bazil9 on May 11, 2013 at 1:41 PM
Ed actually used this on his show yesterday! Sung “cause every girl crazy bout a health care plan” over the refrain, and air-guitared it out at the end. Which was … awesome. You can imagine! Cause it’s a great tune to air-guitar to. Made my day.
/my brush with greatness
Paul-Cincy on May 11, 2013 at 1:42 PM
Well, when the field is limited to only Republican Congressmen, and judged on a purely partisan perspective, that’s hardly a surprise.
Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 1:44 PM
Hahn is a certified moron as is the other politician in her family, the exmayor of LA, Jimmy.
Blake on May 11, 2013 at 1:45 PM
I think Bill Maher was already aware of it.
I can’t imagine who else would be interested.
There Goes the Neighborhood on May 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM
ObamaCare, like Global Warming; ain’t nothing it can’t do!
GarandFan on May 11, 2013 at 1:50 PM
Her friend is an idiot.
Liam on May 11, 2013 at 1:50 PM
Her philosophy is the more she babbles the smarter she is.
pat on May 11, 2013 at 1:53 PM
I’m wondering if she got her notes on Obamacare mixed in with her notes on the amnesty bill.
Left Coast Right Mind on May 11, 2013 at 1:54 PM
The way our nation’s moral structure had deteriorated, I would respell that to read serial divorce.
Don L on May 11, 2013 at 1:54 PM
The stench of desperation is strong here. Even though they haven’t invented scent for the intertubes yet.
rbj on May 11, 2013 at 1:58 PM
You don’t have to be a complete idiot to be a Democrat, but it helps.
Of course, you could always also be Democrat by being a criminal, a marxist, or a totalitarian. But most are just idiots who supply the votes.
Patty Murray is the Chair-idiot of the Senate Budget Committee. Think about it. This ditz can’t count to eleven without taking off her tennis shoes.
Adjoran on May 11, 2013 at 2:01 PM
She forgot to get the other side of her hair cut.
IronDioPriest on May 11, 2013 at 2:18 PM
It will only improve gay marriages, though.
The Rogue Tomato on May 11, 2013 at 2:20 PM
I have a country that elected the wrong president…just for the healthcare.
gregbert on May 11, 2013 at 2:23 PM
The ditz misunderstood the ’50% Off’ sign.
slickwillie2001 on May 11, 2013 at 2:25 PM
There must be a once in a century convergence of beyond the pale stupidity in the halls of government…and with the people that voted them into office.
albill on May 11, 2013 at 2:34 PM
So who is the cheap, stupid prostitute friend of Congresscritter Hahn’s? Or is this one of those “I have a friend who …” things that leftists tell their psychiatrists?
If this chick got married just for health insurance then she’s probably blown guys for candy bars – the little bite size ones, at that.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 11, 2013 at 2:35 PM
Actually those type of marriages are probably pretty good… Almost no expectations (just keep the damn job).
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RalphyBoy on May 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM
I’m gonna have to go with Count on this one. The haircut and babble? Miss thang very possibly fell off the front of a box of Fruity Pebbles. Slid off, looked at her gold digger “friend” and said, “BamBam!”
Or to jump context, given her Fluke like babble, maybe we’re dealing with a “surreal” divorce. To match the dung and doo.
onomo on May 11, 2013 at 2:49 PM
I really would like a reporter to call these liberals out and ask for names. This false “appeal to authority” of a mythical friend….such logic fail.
{{Godzilla Facepalm}}
ProfShadow on May 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM
Who forgot to trim up her hair on the right side. The Hahn family, LA’s gift to CA.
arnold ziffel on May 11, 2013 at 3:02 PM
I think she actually meant to say:
Which, if ObamaCare social engineering actually worked, would be true. The problem is that governmental social engineering is nearly always a disaster. Once in a while it is merely a failure and waste of money. And once in a great while it achieves something inadvertantly.
Fenris on May 11, 2013 at 3:27 PM
Hey ladies, just marry Abdullah from Saudi Arabia, and I guarantee health care will be the last concern on your minds…
/s
Marcola on May 11, 2013 at 3:28 PM
Patent Tonic!
Cures all ills!
Exceeds Swamp Root and Indian Kickapoo Sagwa in effects!
Snake Oil Remedy – Satisfaction Guaranteed!
novaculus on May 11, 2013 at 3:29 PM
I Hope It Falls.
Bmore on May 11, 2013 at 3:42 PM
I am sure a 50% increase in premiums and IRS fines will also do wonders for a marriage.
If you know anyone who voted for Hahn, punch them in the head.
Odie1941 on May 11, 2013 at 4:13 PM
I bet Michelle Obama is pissed Hahn outed her.
Odie1941 on May 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM
The exchanges are supposed to go online in six months and it looks like they will be a massive failure. The strategy is clearly to talk up RatEaredCowardCare in any way possible. It saves people from marrying the wrong people this week. Next week it will be hailed as responsible for keeping Guam from tipping over or something similarly stupid.
Happy Nomad on May 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM
Heh! Though to be fair, parasites like the Obamas and Clintons have a business arrangement and not a real marriage. The rat-eared coward gets the Presidency by having a spouse and a couple of worthless mini-moochers as props. The shaved Yeti gets a lot of free stuff courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Happy Nomad on May 11, 2013 at 4:19 PM
We have health insurance through our jobs BECAUSE of government.
They had a wage freeze during WWII – but the government allowed employers to offer increased benefits to increase compensation. Yes, government has been screwing our lives for a long time.
Health insurance should work the same way other insurance works. To protect you against catastrophic financial loss. The way it works now is pre-paid care.
LilyBart on May 11, 2013 at 4:36 PM
So, if we legalize gay marriage will she be okay with a bunch of straight guys marrying their best friend purely for tax benefits?
ButterflyDragon on May 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM
We go for the buy-up plan – always. My wife likes it that way better.
ericdijon on May 11, 2013 at 5:04 PM
…she meant… geh ones…
KOOLAID2 on May 11, 2013 at 5:18 PM
Since employers will be dropping health insurance coverage and paying the fines (er, taxes according to John Roberts) because of Obamacare, people will be seeking jobs that pay them enough that they can buy their own health care.
The only way to have health insurance would then be to marry a Congresscritter, because they have the best health insurance in the country. But since there are only 535 of them and some of them are already married, what’s a single woman to do?
Of course, the new Argentinian Mrs. Sanford now has health insurance that many American citizens can’t afford…
Steve Z on May 11, 2013 at 8:03 PM
Yesssss …. the claim that it will make marriages better, is actually TRUE. Now both, Husband and Wife, will have common enemy !!!!!!!!!
aniladesai on May 11, 2013 at 9:14 PM
Yep, another clueless California Democrat.
Amazingoly on May 11, 2013 at 11:01 PM
Sums up 80% of all libtard ideas. And the other 20% is “because fairness”.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
MelonCollie on May 12, 2013 at 12:08 PM