Carville: ObamaCare being struck down would be the best thing ever to happen to Democrats

posted at 7:16 pm on March 27, 2012 by Allahpundit

What’s the best part of this? The idea of a prominent Democrat interrupting his party’s Mediscare demagoguery to scold the right on increasing health-care costs for seniors? The fact that he thinks ObamaCare, which isn’t even defended as a cost-saving measure anymore, will effectively bend the curve on that? Or his palpable annoyance at the notion that enumerated powers might throw up a constitutional roadblock to something progressives really, really, really want to do?

But never mind that. Is he right? He’s unquestionably right on how the left will spin the aftermath of the mandate being dumped: They tried, now it’s the right’s turn. Hope the GOP’s ready. Let me rephrase his question slightly, though, and ask whether an adverse ruling would also be the best thing to happen to Obama, specifically. On the one hand, it would be an enormous humiliation to have his signature domestic “achievement” repudiated as an unconstitutional power grab. That’s one of the reasons that righties are so excited to see the mandate tossed. Once O-Care is gone, what’s left of Hopenchange except high unemployment and mind-boggling debt? Killing Bin Laden is awesome but if that’s all he has to point to in November, he’s done.

Would that humiliation cost him any votes, though? Or would it actually gain him votes by sending the left into a frenzy of utopian outrage? Obama could tell them, quite correctly, that the difference between universal health care and the status quo turned out to be one Supreme Court appointment. If they want to make sure this doesn’t happen again, it’s imperative that he be reelected. That’s a compelling pitch, much more so than clean coal or high-speed rail or whatever the hell he’s planning to talk about on the trail. And not only does he gain votes, he gains the right to do something that he loves loves loves doing — namely, passing the buck. The public hates the mandate and they’re going to hate the horrendous cost of this giant clusterfark once it goes into effect in two years. But once it’s gone, O doesn’t have to worry about that anymore. He can dress the program up rhetorically in all manner of “what might have been” nonsense — it would have lowered costs and there would have been no rationing and the whole thing would have been totally amazing — and use the comparison to bludgeon whatever Republican alternative plan emerges. In other words, losing O-Care would be a momentary embarrassment that just might get him reelected by turning out his base and would spare him the much greater embarrassment of watching this boondoggle melt down in the years to come. Hey, maybe that’s why Verrilli’s argument was so bad today. Dude, they’re throwing the fight. (Kidding, kidding.)


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oops. preexisting. But probably right anyway

WryTrvllr on March 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM

You would have a massive free-rider problem, because nobody would be willing to sign up until they got sick. Therefore, the costs of the program would far outweigh the revenues.

ghostwriter on March 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Agreed, but you tie the stage of illness to the co-pay and the rich and middle class would pay long before they get sick. How many people really skip car insurance (it’s more affordable.)

WryTrvllr on March 27, 2012 at 9:47 PM

One silver lining for Democrats if ObamaCare is struck is that the economy will take off and then he will claim credit.

txmomof6 on March 27, 2012 at 9:52 PM

“I honestly believe this, this is not spin.”

Carville,.. you’re an idiot.

You have been wrong on every major public policy issue since the beginning, and you’re wrong now.. The democrats who are outraged are the progressive 20% who won’t be happy till the US is a purely socialist state and nationalizes every company and business which refuses to toe the democrat party line. They will of course TARGET republican owned businesses, and leave democrat owned ones alone.. Party loyalty is their only loyalty.

Regular rank and file democrats are either legacy dems who vote that way, because they’re used to it, and haven’t paid attention since FDR was still kicking… even their kids are that way, ignoring politics, and just dropping the name with the D on it. The moderates of theirs who do pay attention, a sizable portion are as uneasy and uncomfortable with Obamacare as the rest of us.. they hate higher healthcare insurance costs too.

The indies… they hated it enough to scare the Hell out of the dem party hacks..

The facts are in my view, there is no downside to killing Obamacare.. and that snake eyed Carville can just sputter and spin. he’s pouting as he was in 94 when he and the MSM were in a state of shock, he promised no way that the GOP would ever take the House.. democrat hubris is a wondrous thing, impervious to reality, and 80 feet tall..

and Carville is still wrong.

My wife’s family are all democrats, and they hated it as much as I did.. There aren’t stupid people in general, and they know my situation on medical issues, and they know others who have similar issues.. They don’t hate me, not enough to wish me to be trapped in the Hellish Obamacare medical horror show.. all the injuries I had with my spine, and the government run workers comp,.. out of sheer malicious intent dropped my case because they were attempting to disapear it after having botched it from the beginning.. 3 months in the summer of 08, they stopped paying for my meds,.. and I had no other options.. 3 months of unmitigated Hell on Earth,.. I never even dreamed pain could be so bad.. so bad you start to think of endi—– no, I have a wife and kids.. I would not have made it through without them, and the mercy of God, his merciful grace in helping me deal with the pain till the case was reinstated.. My faith is as strong as it’s possible for a man like me to have. Because of that summer..

I have been in Hell’s waiting room, and known what torture is, because of a fouled up government agency.. I’m much better off now.. but I still wake up in the night trembling in a cold sweat remembering..

If this is government healthcare, and it;s compassionate nature.. I have no desire to see it inflicted on those much more vulnerable, life threatening conditions, children.. what if they decide to stop some of their meds? I’m a tough middle aged slab o dog snot, they can’t drive me under, I’ll make it.. but a child? an elderly lady? what about them?

No private insurance company I’ve ever dealt with was a tenth as cruel and uncaring.

never again,.. you don’t go through something like that, and remain complacent,… They knew what they had done to me, they simply didn’t care.. they were playing CYA for their screw ups, and the attorney is still pursuing my case, with a settlement in the works. Nothing huge,.. at least I doubt it,.. but the fact they had such power over my life is what really galls me.

and single payer morons are cool with this? When does, when can the government screw something up enough to alienate a liberal? Do they have to pillage your lives personally before you care about what they do? It seems so… liberals aren’t smart enough to learn from the experience of others it seems..

and Carville, is still wrong..

sorry about the length,.. but,.. there are people out here who have very real experience, and we have a real terror of what Obamacare will do to us, and those less able to endure what their games will bring.

mark81150 on March 27, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Obviously James thinks anyone over sixty-five is a completely senile, obedient relic of the FDR era. And as for younger, working people, how do they like them there higher premiums, and employers cancelling health coverage completely?

I’m 64 and the husband is 69. Both of us have been terrified since Obamacare passed. My kids are working, three of them married with kids, and none of them like the monstrosity.

Carville is blowing smoke. Or he really thinks it’s a good deal. Or he really is from outer space.

hachiban on March 27, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Carville is wrong, though for different reasons than he cites in his usual homer-driven analysis. The political fallout here will be massive, but there is no obvious and guaranteed benefactor.

The most likely scenario now, it seems, is that the individual mandate is struck down but ACA is upheld. That will result in the question of how to fund this behemoth being punted back to the President and Congress, and this will all happen before the November election. The issue then won’t be which side is more motivated after the ruling, no, but instead which presidential candidate and party can collectively craft a compelling legislative proposal that appeals to the majority of voting Americans.

Perhaps that is the Dems and Obama wins a second term and they sweep back to power in Congress, but that could just as easily turn out the other way. Bottom line: forget hacks like Carville, if SCOTUS strikes the mandate this will be a political jumpball that no one can really predict.

pwh on March 27, 2012 at 9:56 PM

I don’t know about ObamaCare being struck down being helpful for the Democrats, but it will be definitely helpful for Romney who will no longer have to explain how he was for it before he was against it during the Presidential election campaign.

Grames on March 27, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Then we get 4 more years of mediocrity with Obama.

Flapjackmaka on March 27, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Never trust or underestimate the power of this administration.

redridinghood on March 27, 2012 at 10:00 PM

I don’t know about ObamaCare being struck down being helpful for the Democrats, but it will be definitely helpful for Romney who will no longer have to explain how he was for it before he was against it during the Presidential election campaign.

Grames on March 27, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Obamacare getting thrown out will just serve to underscore that the Obama Administration was a gigantic mess, wasting over a year on force-feeding us a piece of legislation that couldn’t pass constitutional muster. It would emphatically demonstrate that Obama does not have the judgment to be POTUS.

ghostwriter on March 27, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Agreed, but you tie the stage of illness to the co-pay and the rich and middle class would pay long before they get sick. How many people really skip car insurance (it’s more affordable.)

WryTrvllr on March 27, 2012 at 9:47 PM

It might work if it was only for catastrophic illness. It won’t work for anything that didn’t have a very large deductible. (But then the libs would start whining about how the large deductible was so unfair, and that the system disincentivized preventive medicine, etc., etc.)

ghostwriter on March 27, 2012 at 10:08 PM

It could be tweaked far better than what the dims devised.

WryTrvllr on March 27, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Old-fashioned views still exist:
Get medical insurance, if you want it, while you are healthy and do not need to lie on your application;
If you lie on an application for medical insurance you have committed fraud and the insurance company should not have to pay for pre-existing conditions that you failed to disclose;
There is no right to medical care. If you want it, work for it.

GaltBlvnAtty on March 27, 2012 at 10:17 PM

How many people really skip car insurance (it’s more affordable.)

WryTrvllr on March 27, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Lots of people. The ones without cars or motorcycles.

Mitoch55 on March 27, 2012 at 10:20 PM

If the mandate is gone, then it could benefit Obama in the election by removing the one thing that a lot of moderates were worried about and held against him. With that out of the way, he again becomes a non-threatening hipster.

keep the change on March 27, 2012 at 7:21 PM

I disagree. The GOP will ask, “what will stop him from shoving something even worse than Obamacare down our throats?” since he can run a scorched earth administration if he has a second term.

He can be more threatening if given the chance to retake the White House because he doesn’t have to worry about re-election.

dukecitygirl on March 27, 2012 at 10:29 PM

This effing Martian and his advice is the shortest path to conservative domination. Thanks Jimmy!

MikeinPRCA on March 27, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Because there will be a massive surge in hiring the day after it is struck down?

firegnome on March 27, 2012 at 10:32 PM

The key is allowing insurers to sell policies across State lines.. you know, like the Auto and Homeowners do? When you create competition, prices will come down. And the next time you have an illegal alien trapsing into an ER with the sniffles, call Immigration and then buy them a plane ticket to their country of origin where they can receive care.

Pretty simple, actually.

Key West Reader on March 27, 2012 at 7:39 PM

KWR, making sense as usual. Here’s my punchlist.

1. Insurance across state lines
2. “Retail purchase” policies; you could buy a policy through a non-work group (even at WalMart, if you wanted.) These policies would have a larger risk pool than typical employment-connected policies, and the market would necessarily offer broader tiers, from stripped-down catastrophic-only coverage, through a selection of cafeteria-type plans, to platinum (or Cadillac) plans, for those who want them.
3. Make billing documents readily accessible to the insured. You’d be six kinds of shocked to discover all the over-billing, charges for meds-not-taken, and fees for consultations not made in the average bill.

massrighty on March 27, 2012 at 10:32 PM

How many people really skip car insurance (it’s more affordable.)

WryTrvllr on March 27, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Lots of people. The ones without cars or motorcycles.

Mitoch55 on March 27, 2012 at 10:20 PM

You mean break the law and lie on the form?

We have it,… now.. but have skipped in in the past because we just did not have the money to pay for it, but needed to drive to work.. lot, I mean LOTS of the working poor do this, and if they catch you, you pay the fine, and find a second way to work.. You do what you can afford.. and no

There were no android phones or expensive toys we could have skipped.. we even dropped cable to save money.. money for many working poor is that tight, with virtually nothing left over after paying the bills. So if O-care survives.. a great many people are going to get screwed come tax time.. and the government knows and is counting on it. They know a great many people are going to loose their tax returns over it, and are swooping in to ravage the working poor..

again..

mark81150 on March 27, 2012 at 10:33 PM

I don’t buy this line of reasoning.

First, polling suggests that somewhere between 55% and 60% of Americans oppose the mandate to some degree or another. Presumably that number reflects mostly Republicans and Independents, and if thats the case Obamacare being struck down certainly isn’t going to help Obama with independents.

Presumably this does help Obama with liberals, but lets be honest, this is a demographic that was likely to turn out in reasonably large amounts for Obama regardless how the supreme court rules. I’m not even certain this would help Obama all that much with turnout. Liberals are already fairly disappointed with Obama for failing to bring about their utopian fantasies, and already I’m hearing much grumbling today that Obama’s legal team provided a shoddy legal defense. They may be angry with conservatives justices for ruling against Obamacare, but they’re also going to once again be disappointed with Obama’s competence.

The other problem is that, Obama still needs something to run on. Most people don’t see him very strong economically, his rampant spending is reasonably unpopular in most demographics, and his primary domestic achievement is currently wildly unpopular and very well may be ruled unconstitutional. Even killing Bin-Ladin is unlikely to help much, simply because most Americans split the credit for that achievement between numerous groups and individuals.

Conversely, gasoline is going to be high, foreclosures are ticking up again, and unemployment is still well above the point where it can be touted as a strength, particularly when hidden unemployment is factored in.

Like it or not, people ARE going to be focused on weaknesses like that, by mere virtue of the fact that he’s the incumbent. Additionally, sitting around and blaming Republicans for all his problems is a good way to lose independent support. A lot of these same people voted for Obama in 08 because of his platitudes about changing the tone in Washington. Gonna be hard to convince these same people that you can change the tone when you’re STILL blaming everybody else for your problems.

WolvenOne on March 27, 2012 at 10:36 PM

No it wouldn’t.

Wigglesworth on March 27, 2012 at 10:36 PM

“Go see Scalia when you want healthcare.”

These professional Democrats think without any sense of Constitutional law. Scalia in their minds should do what they believe is good, not what is constitutional. They think the SCOTUS should be the liberal high priesthood of a liberal theocracy for the good of the masses. They don’t understand what our Constitution is about.

Chessplayer on March 27, 2012 at 10:45 PM

I love watching the Dumocraps when they get desperate…it’s fun. They are all so effing crazy to begin with, then when they are getting benchslapped they go all Berzerkly.

Tell ‘em Jim … tell ‘em how great it’s going to be for the Dums when the SCOTUS shoves a long, sharp stick up Skinny’s a$$.

Jaibones on March 27, 2012 at 10:49 PM

I don’t care if we lose an election because the mandate is struck down. I think the federal government mandating every citizen to buy something sets a bad precedent. I rather lose the battle and win the war.

terryannonline on March 27, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Because there will be a massive surge in hiring the day after it is struck down?

firegnome on March 27, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Ooops, that could happen. Lower unemployment just in time for November.

slickwillie2001 on March 27, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Only a political spin guy, like Carville, could possibly believe the Supreme Court’s declaring Obamacare unconstitutional, after a majority of the country already believe that, is good for the Democrats. The fact is, with all the problems the country had, they put all of their effort into slipping through a piece of legislation they knew wouldn’t pass unless they had absolute control over it. They rammed it down the throats of the American public, in spite of the fact that the public didn’t want it. They had so many opportunities to pull this back and make it right, yet they refused.

Take heart, however, Rob Andrews, one of the Democrats authors of this legislation, told Greta tonight that congress can’t force us to buy baseball tickets. Isn’t that just marvelous.

bflat879 on March 27, 2012 at 11:15 PM

I hope it gets axed.
I trained in single payer and it is truly complete government control. Patients come last, you get in line and take what the government bureaucrats and unionized public sector workers deign to give you
People are treated like cattle
but then I’m sure everyone posting here understands that
Liberals crave single payer because they never experienced it
That’s why killing this thing is worth four more years of an emasculated Obama

breffnian on March 27, 2012 at 11:18 PM

And-ah and-ah and-ah and-ah… K-Ken Star an’ awwl the Republicans, they’re-a tryin’ to kill awwl the elderly Americans and-ah and-ah uh uh… the chil’ren. So so so so so awwl the chil’ren gonna go find Scalia when they be wantin’ their healthca’e and-ah and-ah stare him down with them puppy dawg eyes. Did I mention, I hate Ken Star?”

Glenn Jericho on March 27, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Fake war on women failed, fake race war failed, it’s time for a fake Supreme court war.

Wagthatdog on March 27, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Smeagol dares them to take away our gateway to Fascism! We dares them! Gollum! Gollum!

Dunedainn on March 27, 2012 at 11:43 PM

The only accomplishment Obama has is the intel he “inherited” from Bush that led to him making a call anybody in America would make. If he had is way, with no enhanced interrogation, we never would have got the intel.

Wagthatdog on March 27, 2012 at 11:44 PM


Whatever.

Fear always outweights a motived base

Fear for Obama II will drive many to the polls, many more than what is left of the now disillusioned 2008 obama voters

huntingmoose on March 27, 2012 at 11:59 PM

One silver lining for Democrats if ObamaCare is struck is that the economy will take off and then he will claim credit.

txmomof6 on March 27, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Exactly what I was going to say. I think you’re totally right.

Opinion handed down in June. Collective sigh of relief among employers and entrepreneurs. Hiring and building just might resume again.

allahpunditfanclub on March 28, 2012 at 12:20 AM

The.Worlds.Ugliest.Human

SparkPlug on March 27, 2012 at 7:23 PM

.
I don’t know, Henry Waxman gives him a good run for the money!

PatMac on March 27, 2012 at 8:14 PM

.
Henry Waxman may well have C. J. beat, but it would be close.
Did any of you consider Helen Thomas?
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Also, I still want to hear some feedback from Mary about the possibilities of SCOTUS overturning Obamacare. Equal time, C. J.!

listens2glenn on March 28, 2012 at 1:30 AM

James Carville? Where’d they dig him up from, the Museum of Repugnant Clinton-Era Relics, where he was displayed next to the Blue Dress? Put him back in his formaldehyde jar before I projectile vomit.

Zombie on March 28, 2012 at 1:52 AM

Having this law upheld would be great for Democrats, because it means the federal government can regulate all human activity and inactivity everywhere and forever. All you do is say that, like health insurance, your issue is special.

David Blue on March 28, 2012 at 2:55 AM

Carville is probably right. So be it. If I have to choose between Obama and Obamacare, I’ll take Obama.

The web of Obamacare will be much harder to unravel than people imagine, even with a Republican president and Congress. Obviously, the authors of the bill meant it to be that way.

Allah overlooks perhaps the greatest benefit to Obama from the striking down of Obamacare: the economy will improve, perhaps dramatically. All of Obama’s policies are job-killers, but none larger than Obamacare. It is the great millstone on the neck of the economy. The uncertainty of future costs is the reason no one is hiring. With Obamacare gone, the hiring would start.

Jingo95 on March 28, 2012 at 4:24 AM

Tha Cajun is still Ragin’!!!! And still incoherent.

ROFLMAO!!!

Roy Rogers on March 28, 2012 at 6:52 AM

Carville is wrong here! Until this law is repelled by Congress and signed by the President, nothing has changed. Obamacare still threatens the private insurance/consumer relationship.

jjnco73 on March 28, 2012 at 6:59 AM

Carville: Trying to polish a turd.

petefrt on March 28, 2012 at 7:02 AM

Q-ball in the LEFT pocket!!

Sherman1864 on March 28, 2012 at 7:14 AM

Am I the only one that thinks the real problem is the cost of the health care itself is too high? Adding a whole extra level of bureaucracy (insurance)just adds more cost. How many people sitting on their butts shuffling paper work do I have to pay for to see my doctor?
Insurance is socialism,if it’s voluntary that’s one thing,forcing it upon me is another.

aceinstall on March 28, 2012 at 7:15 AM

Yeah, I seem to remember voters were a little pissed off in 2010…or was I imagining that?

Now in 2012, Obama, who has done nothing he said he would, never had a budget passed, has record unemployment, record number of people leaving the job market, done nothing about our Armageddon of debt- in fact doubled-down with the “Stimulus, ignored Social Securities coming demise, made up job statistics like “Jobs Saved”??, killed the oil, gas and coal industries, negatively impact the price of gas with his energy policy- or lack thereof, left Iraq a mess, supported every Islamo-fascist takeover in the Middle-East, supported terrorist instead of Israel, allowed Iran to become the most dangerous, almost nuclear armed power in the Middle East, bowed to Russia on arms, generally made the world a more dangerous place for America- gee the list goes on. But there is not enough room here.

His message is give me four more years? To do what? Pass more unconstitutional garbage that will financially ruin our country and which does nothing to address our most important challenges?

You must be kidding.

Marcus Traianus on March 28, 2012 at 7:18 AM

Who cares what Carville says. Unemployment, gas, food, housing, bailouts, QE (money printing), bankruptcies, Europe, Afghanistan/Iraq, China, Russia, Iran/Syria. Reality is that the democrats are going to lose in this election big time. I talk to people I know that lean left and they aren’t just upset with the current situation. They are mad as heck! Nothing will save Obama in the election.

dddave on March 28, 2012 at 7:33 AM

I’ll do Carvy one better, Obama losing the election would be the best thing for him ever. Just think how poorly his blame Bush model will sell after another four years of this disaster. Face it, there will be no doubt about who is the worst President of this nation if that guy gets another four years… better to keep some mystery about how bad he is, at least for the most deluded.

Ukiah on March 28, 2012 at 7:40 AM

He can be more threatening if given the chance to retake the White House because he doesn’t have to worry about re-election.

dukecitygirl on March 27, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Comrade Barry just made that statement in public to Comrade Medved and asked him to relay it to the KGB Comrade Putin.

jarhead0311 on March 28, 2012 at 7:44 AM

How many people really skip car insurance (it’s more affordable.)

WryTrvllr on March 27, 2012 at 9:47 PM
Lots of people. The ones without cars or motorcycles.

Mitoch55 on March 27, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Mandate that all bicycle riders get insurance! Hell, in some cities it is mandatory to have a helmet while riding a bicycle! Make ‘em pay Obammy!

tbear44 on March 28, 2012 at 7:56 AM

It’s hard for me to tell who looks and speaks more like a demon…Carville or Colmes?

Anyway, both are whackjobs unworthy of consideration of any kind.

insidiator on March 28, 2012 at 8:18 AM

why is it the right always sees reality as losing. the talk should be, we are one justice away from chavez!!!!

tm11999 on March 28, 2012 at 8:30 AM

If we can only get a nominee who has balls and is knowledgeable, then all we have to do is point out his lapse in judgement for signing a monstrosity into law. We can point out everything that Obama passed and say this is what he wants to do if re-elected. And he will pass it again if given the chance.

jeffn21 on March 28, 2012 at 8:32 AM

Dang blast it, I want to hear Mary’s take on all of this.

Would somebody go ask Mary, already?

listens2glenn on March 28, 2012 at 8:34 AM

Carville is nothing but a slimy, party line hack. He is a mean, bitter man. I don’t trust anything that comes out of his mouth.

I don’t know who is worse; him, DWS, or Carter.

Originalist45 on March 28, 2012 at 8:44 AM

This CREEP is a FOOL, the two (2) biggest achievements by the Failed President are Stimulus and Obamacare. One is a total failure and the other Illegal via the Constitution. What fool would say this is good for the democrats is an IDIOT…

Brushjumper on March 28, 2012 at 9:11 AM

Obama could tell them, quite correctly, that the difference between universal health care and the status quo turned out to be one Supreme Court appointment. If they want to make sure this doesn’t happen again, it’s imperative that he be reelected. That’s a compelling pitch…

He’d turn out votes against him if he did what you kiddingly suggest.

“Elect me if you think the Constitution is a worthless document and I am the smartest guy in the world!”

Vince on March 28, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Would that humiliation [of getting ObamaCare tossed] cost him any votes, though?

There is a correlation between SCOTUS’s rulings and a President’s standing.

If SCOTUS tosses ObamaCare, the public could view it as a severe repudiation of Obama by the one branch of government that is still viewed relatively positively.

HeatSeeker2011 on March 28, 2012 at 9:17 AM

losing O-Care would be a momentary embarrassment that just might get him reelected by turning out his base and would spare him the much greater embarrassment of watching this boondoggle melt down in the years to come

What world does AP live in that being “embarrassed” by the failure of something OBAMA wants will be somehow humiliating? Obama wants to transform America and this massive wealth transfer and crippling of capitalism with the debt and government power it carries will not be an embarassmment but put us on a permenant path to the government being the only economic and social institution standing. Welcome to communism.
Failure? Hardly for him!

Conan on March 28, 2012 at 9:17 AM

I don’t know about ObamaCare being struck down being helpful for the Democrats, but it will be definitely helpful for Romney who will no longer have to explain how he was for it before he was against it during the Presidential election campaign.

Grames on March 27, 2012 at 9:59 PM

I agree. I think it would hurt Republicans somewhat if they had to kill it themselves but not if the court strikes it down. If the court strikes it down because it is unconstitutional and because it would give unlimited control of regulating individuals to the governent it will show what Obama is all about. As a news source pointed out yesterday it feeds into the meme the Republicans have been pushing about Obama. He is all about government overreach. He is a socialist and his views don’t fit with American sensibilities.

Romney,on the other hand, is off the hook because his legislation was done at the state level and as you said, he won’t have to explain himself.

magicbeans on March 28, 2012 at 9:22 AM

mark81150 on March 27, 2012 at 9:54 PM

I can’t begin to imagine what you went through nor do I compare my case in any way to yours. However, I can say I identify and agree with what you say. Having been the victim of “military health care” for over 20 years I understand a bureaucratic system where doctors are forced to apply a one size, one pill fits all.

First, the military allowed “doctors” from foreign countries who would not have the credentials to practice in the USA but under military rules were allowed to practice in that system. Second, there were strings of rules. For example, it had been proven over and over that a certain antibiotic did not stop the pneumonia I got twice every year related to allergies. However, the military had a rule that doctors HAD to prescribe that antibiotic for 10 days prior to giving a more expensive (and for me more effective) one. So twice a year I had to get REALLY sick waiting for the 10 days to pass. While attempting to save money, they really were spending money (to say nothing of my health) giving me something proven to not be effective and then more money when I had to have more doctor visits, sometimes hospital stays and be on the expensive antibiotic longer. The point being, the system refuses to allow doctors to use their skill and knowledge but insists they “practice” under a set of rules made for everyone. It’s not a medical system anyone would like.

katablog.com on March 28, 2012 at 9:25 AM

it will show what Obama is all about. As a news source pointed out yesterday it feeds into the meme the Republicans have been pushing about Obama. He is all about government overreach. He is a socialist and his views don’t fit with American sensibilities.

that argument won’t wash with the Obamaites who simply don’t care because it means something “free” to them.

It’s amazing to me to see polls that show a large percentage of Americans know ObamaCare is unconstitutional and then the next question asks if it should be repealed. Approximately 1/3rd of those admitting its unconstitutional do NOT want it repealed! To heck with the Constitution if it means something free for me.

katablog.com on March 28, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

$10 per gallon gasoline would be the greatest thing ever for democrats.

20% unemployment would be the greatest thing ever for democrats.

The collapse of the dollar would be the greatest thing ever for democrats.

would be the greatest thing ever for democrats.

The Rogue Tomato on March 28, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Why are all ugly people, Democrats?

faraway on March 28, 2012 at 9:58 AM

When things look really, really bad for the Democrats they drag a couple of hundred dollar bills through the swamp and out crawls snake-head Carville.

SurferDoc on March 28, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Here’s Carville logic…apparently made after taking an excess of prescription pills…

Carville, who gained fame working on Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign, predicted health care costs will only increase in the future, in which case Republicans will be to blame for leading the drive to expel a federal program designed to help Americans cover those costs.

“Then the Republican Party will own the healthcare system for the foreseeable future. And I really believe that. That is not spin,” Carville said.

This is true ONLY if you are dumb enough (and Carville qualifies) to believe Obamacare gets struck down and then the Republicans DO NOTHING…

Carville is not only dumb here, but also a liar…He’s touting the line that Republicans want ObamaCare to go away WITHOUT mentioning the part where Republicans want it REPLACED…

Romney vows to repeal and replace ‘Obamacare’ on law’s anniversary

Paul Ryan’s ‘Repeal and Replace’ Speech

The former senator says a President Santorum would repeal Obamacare. “Repeal the entire act, it all needs to go and we will replace it with something that believes in you not government and bureaucracies,” he said.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich says “We must repeal and replace the left’s big government health bill with real solutions that will lower costs and improve health outcomes.”

Boehner Backs Pledge to Repeal & Replace ObamaCare

The Republican platform here is “Make ObamaCare go away, and then REPLACE it with a real healthcare plan that will actually do what it says, be constitutional, and help the country.”

Carville (and a lot of his cronies) don’t want you to hear that whole thing and lie by saying the platform is “Make ObamaCare go away………………………………………. ………………………………………….. ………………………………………and that’s it.”..

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cnredd on March 28, 2012 at 11:50 AM

“This is not spin, I really believe this, this is not spin…”

Methinks he doth protest too much.

Grace_is_sufficient on March 28, 2012 at 11:56 AM

I can see the point of Allahpundit’s argument that the mandate rejection could actually help Obozo win reelection, but rooting for the mandate to survive would totally screw the country for decades to come. Not to mention the fact that by it setting a precedent, the liberals would run amuck trying to control every facet of our lives.

I still say that even more important than the presidential outcome, the House and Senate are game changers if the GOP can grab both. Reject the mandate, block Obozo’s great plans for his last term, and we’ll still have time to recover in 2016. Obozo’s comments to Medvedev (sp?) validated my feeling that upon reelection he will have no one to answer to in anything he does (no reelection concerns), so all hell will break loose unless the GOP can block everything the same way Reid has for years.

stacman on March 28, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Why are all ugly people, Democrats?

faraway on March 28, 2012 at 9:58 AM

I was wondering the same thing. I always recognize a democrat because they all look like they’re constipated.

Carville is pretty hideous looking, but Mary must be rubbing off on him because he’s been getting better at criticizing his own party, and he’s not always wrong.

stacman on March 28, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Obama could tell them, quite correctly, that the difference between universal health care and the status quo turned out to be one Supreme Court appointment. If they want to make sure this doesn’t happen again, it’s imperative that he be reelected.

Allahpundit n March 27, 2012 at 7:16 pm

That would certainly be quite the double down. While it would most certainly spin the base into a frenzy, it also operates on the premise that an already unpopular provision would gain popularity after being constitutionally struck down.

Independents would be the big grab here. GOP would be wise to refocus the debate back to the costs of healthcare (Which is what the debate originally started as, but then wandered down the “amount of people covered” path once the MSM decided to change the narrative). Possible GOP narrative: “The American people want intelligent health care initiatives that help bring down costs but do not impede their Liberty”. Have a Paul Ryan style explanation of the legislation that is in the works and what effect that would have on costs.

Carville is right, they will toss it back at the GOP, and as long as the GOP has a coherent plan/public response the mandate will most likely remain as unpopular as it already is and a double down would be problematic.

sublibertate on March 28, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Obama could tell them, quite correctly, that the difference between universal health care and the status quo turned out to be one Supreme Court appointment. If they want to make sure this doesn’t happen again, it’s imperative that he be reelected.

So? He could be telling them that anyway right now. Saying, “See all this trouble we are having getting you universal health care? Get me elected again and I can appoint another liberal(hack) Judge.”

I’d rather have Obamacare dismantled and have the dems have to fight to get that monstrosity back.

Obamacare getting thrown out will just serve to underscore that the Obama Administration was a gigantic mess, wasting over a year on force-feeding us a piece of legislation that couldn’t pass constitutional muster. It would emphatically demonstrate that Obama does not have the judgment to be POTUS.

ghostwriter on March 27, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Yeah, that! Of course the liberal media will spin it another way, but that is a given no matter what.

Sterling Holobyte on March 28, 2012 at 2:08 PM

mark81150 on March 27, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Don’t apologize for the length of your post. It was a very powerful first-hand account of what can happen when the government is left in control of our lives.

Sterling Holobyte on March 28, 2012 at 2:11 PM

ObamaCare being struck down would be the best thing ever to happen to America

Dollayo on March 28, 2012 at 2:54 PM

This spin monster has got to be getting irrelevant these days.

jake49 on March 28, 2012 at 2:55 PM

How many of you here are not going to sign up for medicare?

Zekecorlain on March 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM

I honestly thought Carville was at least smart. Now he seems bitter, chocking on sour grapes. His protest of his “honest” opinion only shows just how hamstrung he is having to support the O. Though I have always differed with him, I always thought a cigar, whiskey and converesation with him would be enjoyable, interesting. We’re both Marines, though he strayed far from the yellow foot prints, we both have wives much nicer than us. Now, I think the chronic bafoonery of the O Administration is making him delusional. James, suck it up, face the truth. Say something like O did what he believed right. Sometimes you eat the bear, soometimes the bear eats you. I knnow it is tough getting your butt kicked; but you must know how poorly the law was crafted, the backroom deals and how unpopular the law is. Your progressive “leadeers” have no soul, no moral anchor, they are Godless and lost. Sticking up for a dim bulb who think he is the “ONE”, —- got to be tough.

StevC on March 28, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Carville really means, “If the Court strikes down the individual mandate but leaves the rest in place it is a victory for the Democrats.” Why? Because such a ruling would quicken the pace of forcing all private insurers out of business, thereby increasing voter demand for a single-payer system – which is what the Democrats have always wanted anyway.

Colony14 on March 28, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Milli Varrelli is a mess.

dthorny on March 28, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Ahh, the old Obi Wan play. Nice try.

WeekendAtBernankes on March 28, 2012 at 7:41 PM

So, after removing the Democratic House majority and nearly removing the Democratic Senate majority in 2010 because they foisted on us all this wildly-unpopular, unconstitutional, freedom-robbing ACA legislation, voters are going to suddenly about-face and restore a Democratic majority in the House and maintain or increase the Democratic majority in the Senate? I don’t think so.

I don’t like James Carville, but I will grudgingly admit that there are times when he is right. This isn’t one of them.

olesparkie on March 29, 2012 at 8:23 AM

It’d be the best thing for America too, Jimmah. Glad to see we agree. Nothing in my 30 year business career has been more devastating to my business or me personally than the passage of Obamacare. That’s what happens when the ignorant pretend to have knowledge.

PorchDawg on March 29, 2012 at 8:48 AM

How many of you here are not going to sign up for medicare?

Zekecorlain on March 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM

I will, Zeke. Because I HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE. See, that’s the flaw in your ideology. When you remove all choice, people pick your choice not because they ‘love it’, but because there is no other option. It is not support of Medicare, but the need of medical care and the fact that folks like you have eliminated all other options. And I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but Medicare is quickly going broke. It is and yet this FACT, in your mind, does not seem to apply to Obamacare. We can’t afford to provide medical care for 35 million, but we can afford to provide medical care to ten times that many. Is that your logic? Are you really that stupid?

PorchDawg on March 29, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Carville breathes a different atmosphere.

philoise65 on March 29, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Anyone who thinks Carville is relevant in anyway should never be allowed to vote. Liberalism is defintely a progressive mental illness, but Carville takes that to another level.

volsense on March 29, 2012 at 2:20 PM

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