Video: Zimmerman friend calls for patience in investigation

posted at 12:10 pm on March 26, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Fox’s Martha MacCallum interviews a friend of the shooter in the Trayvon Martin case, George Zimmerman, on the reaction to the case, the assumptions of the media, and the political lessons being applied ahead of the facts. Joe Oliver tells MacCallum that race had nothing to do with this case, and the best action everyone can take now is to let the investigations take place and the facts be established:


Oliver agrees with Florida Governor Rick Scott in saying that this is not a test case for the Stand Your Ground law, either. Given what we know of the case — and if that understanding doesn’t change — then that’s correct. By following a suspected prowler, that law doesn’t apply, but the laws of self-defense still very well might, which are separate from SYG, which provides further clarification to the core rights of self-defense. It depends greatly on what took place, what happened with the gun, and the level of threat that occurred if the gun was fired intentionally, all points that are terribly unclear at the moment.

We have been receiving plenty of e-mail on this subject, as one might imagine, and most of it wondering why we’re not posting the latest assumptions and second-hand assertions in this matter. It’s because we are inclined to take Joe Oliver’s advice and let the professional investigators establish the facts first, rather than speculation on what kinds of activities in which the two men involved in the incident may have taken part in the past, whether hoodies are as much to blame as the gun, and so on. Zimmerman and Martin’s family deserve a thorough investigation and the establishment of the facts of the case, and once that happens, we will know how to proceed with this case.

One last point: Let’s remember that our fundamental rights to keep and bear arms and to act in our own self-defense do not rest on one case. We should defend those who act within the law, but we should also take care to know the facts before we come to that defense. That’s one lesson all of us, and I’m not excepting myself, can learn from this case before the investigation is complete.


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Obama = half black + half white = black

Zimmerman = half hispanic + half white = white

Ah, I see the logic now.

Metal Head on March 26, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Well the upside of a railroading of Zimmerman is that he’s Hispanic

Sonosam on March 26, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Zimmerman is also, reportedly, a Democrat (how rich will the irony be if it turns out he also voted for Obama?).

Drudge is linking to some story about a white college kid who was shot dead by some unknown assailants in Mississippi over the weekend (a car with several blacks was seen fleeing the murder scene). I wonder if Obama will comment on that case. Think that dead victim would also remind Baraka of the son he never had?

AZCoyote on March 26, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Local news is showing a downtown Cincinnati rally in support of … whatever it is. Hoodies abound. Maybe 50 blacks. Hard to say.

Paul-Cincy on March 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM

My bad. Live report: Over 1000 people there. 3 demands:

1. Arrest George Zimmerman

2. Review Cincinnati taser policy (18 year old black college student recently died from tasing)

3. Stop the violence for the summer (more about black on black crime, as I understand what they’re saying)

Paul-Cincy on March 26, 2012 at 6:07 PM

1. Arrest George Zimmerman (for the murder of Trayvon Martin)

Paul-Cincy on March 26, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Obama is Goon in Chief, none other, a race thug.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2012 at 6:14 PM

This case is a dog for little Bammie. He has 96-98% of the black vote, that won’t change. He got 69% of the legal ‘hispanic’ vote in 2008, so that electorate is much more in play. If he throws the hispanic Zimmermann to the wolves to keep Al and Jesse’s mobs at bay, he can lose some of that critical hispanic vote.

Without building on the 69%, little Bammie cannot be reelected.

slickwillie2001 on March 26, 2012 at 6:16 PM

The punk Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman, punched him, broke his nose, knocked him to the ground and beat him until he was finally stopped with a bullet. Self defense, game over.

Dollayo on March 26, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Now we see what it would be like to have Jessie Jackson (Poop Be Upon him) as our President.

Metal Head on March 26, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Heather MacDonald at The Corner

The protesters in Florida and across the country are right to demand an explanation for the decision not to charge Zimmerman. A critical examination of Florida’s Stand Your Ground law is absolutely warranted. But the racial storyline that has been imposed on the shooting does not fairly represent contemporary America. That storyline is not just wrong, it is dangerous, because it only feeds black alienation and anger. Family breakdown, not white racism, is the biggest impediment facing blacks today, producing such casualties as the 18-year-old gangbanger who fatally shot a 34-year-old mother picking up her child from school in Brownsville, Brooklyn, last October. Sharpton and the national media didn’t show up for that killing, just as they don’t for the thousands of other black-on-black killings each year. By all means, demand justice for Trayvon Martin. But when that justice comes, as it most surely will, perhaps some small part of the energy devoted to securing it could be redirected towards stigmatizing black criminals and revalorizing the role of fathers in families.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/294357/why-manipulate-tragedy-trayvon-martin-heather-mac-donald

Del Dolemonte on March 26, 2012 at 6:20 PM

ABCnews — Diane Sawyer: “Tinderbox” — “Rising tension in the town Trayvon was shot”

The streets are filled with thousands of people. Tinderbox.

Paul-Cincy on March 26, 2012 at 6:31 PM

The streets are filled with thousands of people. Tinderbox.

Paul-Cincy on March 26, 2012 at 6:31 PM

So what.

They’ll riot when their sports team loses. They’ll riot when their sports team wins.

Rioting just doesn’t have the same cachet it used to.

Rebar on March 26, 2012 at 7:03 PM

Martin was obviously punching above his weight class. Sometimes punching above your weight class can be dangerous especially if the other guy has a gun.

If there was probable cause to believe that Zimmerman committed a crime, I bet the police would have arrested him but there wasn’t so they didn’t.

I just hope that nobody else ends up dead because of the hatred stirred up by the typical race baiters.

crashland on March 26, 2012 at 7:06 PM

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html

Here’s an interesting read of some more of Trayvon’s troubles at school. He had been suspected of marking up some lockers with grafitti, and when his backpack was searched they found about a dozen pieces of women’s jewelry and a screwdriver. They questioned him, he claimed it belonged to “a friend” but refused to name the friend. The school photographed the stuff and sent the pictures to the local PD, believing Martin may have burglarized someone.

The more we read about this kid, the more it appears that Zimmerman was right to be suspicious of his activities in the neighborhood that night.

AZCoyote on March 26, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Martin was obviously punching above his weight class. Sometimes punching above your weight class can be dangerous especially if the other guy has a gun.

If there was probable cause to believe that Zimmerman committed a crime, I bet the police would have arrested him but there wasn’t so they didn’t.

I just hope that nobody else ends up dead because of the hatred stirred up by the typical race baiters.

crashland on March 26, 2012 at 7:06 PM

This is why I have a huge problem with the powers-that-be weighing in on this. That includes Romney and Gingrich and Santorum, but particularly Obama, since he IS the POTUS. If there is a reason to believe that there was fraud in the investigation, that’s one thing, but the demands for “an investigation” into this ring hollow. There has already been an investigation into this, at the time it happened. To assume that another investigation will produce any evidence that isn’t already known to the original investigators is ridiculous.

This, from FoxNews:

Shortly after President Obama spoke out for the first time on the killing of 17 year-old Trayvon Martin, former Massachusetts Governor and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney followed suit, issuing a statement, through a spokesperson, which read “What happened to Trayvon Martin is a tragedy. There needs to be a thorough investigation that reassures the public that justice is carried out with impartiality and integrity.”

Romney went on to say ‘The shooting of Trayvon is a terrible tragedy unnecessary uncalled for and inexplicable at this point. What we’ve heard from the media reports suggest that it’s entirely appropriate for the district attorney to be looking into this and to have called a grand jury and find what the facts are. We hope that justice is done in this case as in all cases. But very tragic and our hearts go out to his family his loved ones his friends this shouldn’t have happened.’

Romney’s statement was similar to comments made by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who told CNN’s Piers Morgan, last night, that “I think that Americans can recognize that while this is a tragedy, and it is a tragedy, that we’re going to relentlessly seek justice. And I think that’s the right thing to do.”

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/mitt-romney/2012/03/23/mitt-romney-releases-statement-trayvon-martin-killing-tragedy#ixzz1qGf5ZCje

Santorum’s comments were worse. Much worse. Why assume that since the result of the original investigation disappointed people that there needs to be another one?

This tragedy shouldn’t have happened. Yeah, no kidding, but if Zimmerman was acting in self-defense, and he is innocent of wrongdoing, and he ends up being prosecuted and convicted, anyway, that will be another tragedy that shouldn’t have happened.

JannyMae on March 26, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Someone should set up a George Zimmerman Legal Defense Fund.

I’d do it, but I don’t know him and have no experience whatsoever in setting up such an enterprise.

Even if he ends up guilty of something, this guy needs as much help as possible. Look at the forces arrayed against him.

Dack Thrombosis on March 26, 2012 at 7:25 PM

There is no situation where a confrontation you initiated, in which you were never threatened with mortal danger, can be legally ended by you using lethal force. Zimmerman should be charged with manslaughter or maybe even second degree murder under Florida law.

It’s because we are inclined to take Joe Oliver’s advice and let the professional investigators establish the facts first, rather than speculation on what kinds of activities in which the two men involved in the incident may have taken part in the past, whether hoodies are as much to blame as the gun, and so on.

The first quote was banished way back into the archives before the second quote.

Typical.

peacenprosperity on March 26, 2012 at 7:26 PM

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html

Here’s an interesting read of some more of Trayvon’s troubles at school. He had been suspected of marking up some lockers with grafitti, and when his backpack was searched they found about a dozen pieces of women’s jewelry and a screwdriver. They questioned him, he claimed it belonged to “a friend” but refused to name the friend. The school photographed the stuff and sent the pictures to the local PD, believing Martin may have burglarized someone.

The more we read about this kid, the more it appears that Zimmerman was right to be suspicious of his activities in the neighborhood that night.

AZCoyote on March 26, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Reposting this, as it’s a fascinating read. The money quote, IMO:

His mother, Sybrina Fulton, said her son never had any problems with gangs or the police. In fact, she said, when she transferred him out of Carol City High School to be closer to home, the school wanted him to stay at Carol City because they liked him and he was a good student, she said.

“They killed my son and now they are trying to kill his reputation,” she said.

Who, exactly, are “they” Ms. Fulton?

JannyMae on March 26, 2012 at 7:32 PM

His mother, Sybrina Fulton, said her son never had any problems with gangs or the police. In fact, she said, when she transferred him out of Carol City High School to be closer to home, the school wanted him to stay at Carol City because they liked him and he was a good student, she said.

“They killed my son and now they are trying to kill his reputation,” she said.

Who, exactly, are “they” Ms. Fulton?

JannyMae on March 26, 2012 at 7:32 PM

My thought too. The “They” reference is a major cognitive distortion. Zimmerman and Martin, the two of them fought. There was no “they” who fought her child. To say so fuels hatred, tribalism based on race, stereotypes, demagoguery, class warfare, racial differences, and a general notion of liberal intellectual superiority, which is a lie. In her statement, ignorance has a face.

The cure for ignorance is to shine a light to let the truth be seen.

Paul-Cincy on March 26, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Shooter in Florida teen’s death said to fear for his life, friends, attorney say

Submitted 8 mins ago from http://www.usatoday.com by editor
http://www.breakingnews.com/
============================

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-03-26/trayvon-martin-teen-shot-florida-rally/53784632/1

canopfor on March 26, 2012 at 8:52 PM

whether hoodies are as much to blame as the gun

They are, which is to say, none at all. It’s not the hoodie’s fault, nor the guns fault; those things are what I call “inanimate objects”. They cannot kill anyone on their own, they cannot move, breathe, decide, or otherwise act. At all. People do those things. Not objects.

In this case,(assuming the facts do not change – and they well could) it was Zimmerman at fault. Not any metal object or item of clothing…

thirtyandseven on March 26, 2012 at 8:58 PM

DBear

It’s really, really early to be assigning guilt, reason, and psychological impetus to this event, if that’s even what you were typing about. You’re a premature adjudicator, aren’t you?

ExpressoBold on March 26, 2012 at 3:48 PM

….somewhere in there, ExpressoBold is missing the word ‘ejaculator’!

KOOLAID2 on March 26, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Uh oh Zimmerman apologists and Trayvon-smear artists, looks like big, aggressive, in control Trayvon Martin made a call to 911 while Zimmerman accosted him. The FBI has it. Wonder why the Sanford PD didn’t mention that before…….

libfreeordie on March 26, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Can you supply the date; or at least the year when the lieutenant’s son assaulted a homeless man (black or otherwise)?

listens2glenn on March 26, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Happily.

Also here’s the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHGEam82GME

Wonder what would’ve happened to the homeless man if he had shot and killed a police officers son.

Oh also? Two Sanford security guards managed to claim “self-defense” after shooting a black teen in the back in 2010.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/22/us/police-chief-draws-fire-in-trayvon-martin-shooting.html

Oh also? Turns out Central Florida cops regularly make arrests even when self-defense has been claimed.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-21/news/os-trayvon-martin-stand-cases-20120322_1_orlando-police-prosecutors-records-show

libfreeordie on March 26, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Uh oh Zimmerman apologists and Trayvon-smear artists, looks like big, aggressive, in control Trayvon Martin made a call to 911 while Zimmerman accosted him. The FBI has it. Wonder why the Sanford PD didn’t mention that before…….

libfreeordie on March 26, 2012 at 9:10 PM

You’re on the record saying the kid called 911. When you’re shown to be wrong, it will mean nothing to you. Because you’re not a responsible person who stands behind what they say. You accuse others of error, and then when you’re in error, you don’t give it the same weight. Why not? Not an honorable person.

Paul-Cincy on March 26, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Police Report: Trayvon Martin Suspended From School For Possessing Stolen Jewelry And “Burglary Tool”…

The saintly glow anointed to Trayvon Martin by the left is rapidly disappearing.

SANFORD — Miami Gardens teenager Trayvon Martin was suspended from school in October in an incident in which he was found in possession of women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that a schools security staffer described as a “burglary tool,” The Miami Herald has learned.

Trayvon, who claimed that an unnamed friend had given him the jewelry, was not disciplined because of the discovery, but was instead suspended for graffiti, according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald.

A lawyer for the dead teen’s family acknowledged Trayvon had been suspended for graffiti, but said the family knew nothing about the jewelry and the screwdriver, calling the information in the report an attempt to “demonize” the youth.

According to the report, on Oct. 21 staffers monitoring a security camera at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School spotted Trayvon and two other students writing “W.T.F.,” an acronym for “What the f—,” on a hallway locker, according to schools police. The security employee, who knew Trayvon, confronted the teen and looked through his bag for the graffiti marker.

Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described the screwdriver as a burglary tool.

Trayvon was asked if the jewelry, which was mostly women’s rings and earrings, belonged to his family or a girlfriend.

“Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.

School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation.

“Martin was suspended, warned and dismissed for the graffiti,” according to the report prepared by Miami-Dade Schools Police.

That suspension was followed four months later by another one, in February, in which Trayvon was caught with an empty plastic bag with traces of marijuana in it, the boy’s family’s attorney has confirmed. A schools police report obtained by The Miami Herald specifies two items: a bag with marijuana residue and a “marijuana pipe.”

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/03/26/police-report-trayvon-martin-suspended-from-school-for-possessing-stolen-jewelry-and-burglary-tool/

Zcat on March 26, 2012 at 9:27 PM

So just to be clear, Trayvon had to be up for sainthood in order to not deserve to be summarily executed? Is that the point of dredging up negative information about the kid. How does that effect what happened that night?

libfreeordie on March 26, 2012 at 9:31 PM

It clearly shows that he was not the angelic child that was first presented to us. From the 5 year old pictures to the suspensions over drugs and quite possibly theft the LSM portrait of Trayvon was cleaned up a lot. Why?

Conservalicious on March 26, 2012 at 9:39 PM

It clearly shows that he was not the angelic child that was first presented to us. From the 5 year old pictures to the suspensions over drugs and quite possibly theft the LSM portrait of Trayvon was cleaned up a lot. Why?

Conservalicious on March 26, 2012 at 9:39 PM

To support their narrative, regardless of the facts. The narrative of an innocent black kid coming home from buying candy, shot dead by a racist, out of control white man with a gun. Truth — neighborhood watch guy asked the kid who he was, who got mad and tried to kill him, and probably would have succeeded if he didn’t have a gun.

Paul-Cincy on March 26, 2012 at 9:44 PM

So just to be clear, Trayvon had to be up for sainthood in order to not deserve to be summarily executed? Is that the point of dredging up negative information about the kid. How does that effect what happened that night?

libfreeordie on March 26, 2012 at 9:31 PM

First, there is no evidence that Martin was “summarily executed.” Hyperbole doesn’t make your argument more persuasive. Second, Martin’s history of being caught with drug paraphenalia and suspected burglary artifacts is relevant to what he was actually doing in the neighborhood that night. Was he, as widely reported, innocently on his way to his father’s girlfriend’s house with some Skittles, or was he doing something more nefarious — say, for example, casing the neighborhood? Zimmerman said he noticed Martin because he was acting suspiciously; if Martin was, in fact, looking for a house to rob, he probably would have been angry to see someone following him and watching him, perhaps even angry enough to attack that person and slam his head into the ground.

AZCoyote on March 26, 2012 at 10:02 PM

So just to be clear, Trayvon had to be up for sainthood in order to not deserve to be summarily executed? Is that the point of dredging up negative information about the kid. How does that effect what happened that night?

libfreeordie on March 26, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Summarily executed for wearing a hoodie and being black, right, because, despite evidence to the contrary, you know that’s what happened?

You are really something else. Why don’t you go join the posse to hunt down and summarily execute Zimmerman, like the Black Panthers are advocating? You no doubt would think it’s justified.

You’re slime. With apologies to actual slime.

JannyMae on March 26, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Trayvon is not the only one.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/02/stephon-watts-autistic-te_n_1249695.html?ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false

libfreeordie on March 26, 2012 at 9:36 PM

What does this have to do with Trayvon? Absolutely, positively freaking NOTHING, if you’re going to take the tack that Trayvon’s personal history has nothing to do with this.

You’re the most diabolically dishonest troll I’ve ever seen…and that’s saying something.

JannyMae on March 26, 2012 at 10:10 PM

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/

The twitter account for trayvon, since apparently I said “a bad word,” and my comment got sent to moderation or into the internet ether.

JannyMae on March 26, 2012 at 10:17 PM

I am a militant evangelical agnostic on this issue. I don’t know anything and nobody else knows anything either. Wait for facts!

Sekhmet on March 26, 2012 at 10:38 PM

It’s a damn shame that citizen journalism is needed to get at the truth these days.

Conservalicious on March 26, 2012 at 10:39 PM

libfreeordie on March 26, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Uh oh. You’re still a wildly prejudiced person, willing to make unfounded accusations of racism that aren’t supported by evidence.

Any facts yet to be unearthed in this case, whether in favor of Zimmerman’s innocence or guilt, won’t change that.

BadgerHawk on March 26, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Just a little overview of the libfreeordie mindset…

Let’s start with a little jumping to conclusions without all the facts:

The school has said that he was suspended for tardiness. What interest do they have in lying? Did you read the article I linked to?

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 1:50 PM

You went on to post this gem to a commenter with a bi-racial child:

Admit it. You don’t know a single black person personally do you?

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Next we’ll see you reveal that you’re obsessed with race, and are incapable of objectively viewing a situation like this:

No wonder Zimmerman wasn’t arrested, there are two different sets of rules for black people and for everyone else in this country.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 1:46 PM

I feel for any black child raised by parents who don’t teach him the meaning of race and racism in America. Good luck to him. He’ll need it.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM

And here you accuse someone of linking to selective media sources, apparently oblivious to the fact that you had been doing the same thing the entire thread:

Oh I get it JeffinSac, when the media presents a version of events favorable to Zimmerman they are telling the “facts” when they cite witnesses like this woman who claim that she heard a young boy cry for help, its lies?

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Then, when someone hypothesized there may have been a struggle for the gun, you wrote this:

A struggle for the gun? Where are you getting that from? Oh yeah, you’re a racist.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 4:06 PM

A nice, unfounded accusation of racism. And again an utter lack of self-awareness, since you had been calling Zimmerman a racist without evidence the entire thread.

I’m sorry, but you’ve repeatedly shown you can’t be objective. You’re a prejudiced individual who views the world through a racial prism. That weight’s on your shoulders, no one else’s

BadgerHawk on March 26, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Meanwhile (you’ll like this), Trayvon’s mother has trademarked her son’s name as merchandise hits stands throughout Florida.

BIG FAT LOLZ!

Sharke on March 26, 2012 at 11:16 PM

libfreeordie is too much of a “Cr@cker A$$ Pu$$y” to spend any time in a “Trayvon Martin” neighborhood preferring instead to race bait from the safety of mom’s basement while wearing a hoodie.

White gangsta trash.

Roy Rogers on March 26, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Obama = half quarter black + quarter Arab + half white = black

Zimmerman = half hispanic + half white = white

Ah, I see the logic now.

Metal Head on March 26, 2012 at 6:01 PM

There…maybe it makes more sense to you now?

Jaibones on March 26, 2012 at 11:38 PM

White gangsta trash.

Roy Rogers on March 26, 2012 at 11:18 PM

I think it’s a chick. Probably teaches fourth graders.

Jaibones on March 26, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Police Report: Trayvon Martin Suspended From School For Possessing Stolen Jewelry And “Burglary Tool”…

The saintly glow anointed to Trayvon Martin by the left is rapidly disappearing.

SANFORD — Miami Gardens teenager Trayvon Martin was suspended from school in October in an incident in which he was found in possession of women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that a schools security staffer described as a “burglary tool,” The Miami Herald has learned.

Trayvon, who claimed that an unnamed friend had given him the jewelry, was not disciplined because of the discovery, but was instead suspended for graffiti, according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald.

A lawyer for the dead teen’s family acknowledged Trayvon had been suspended for graffiti, but said the family knew nothing about the jewelry and the screwdriver, calling the information in the report an attempt to “demonize” the youth.

According to the report, on Oct. 21 staffers monitoring a security camera at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School spotted Trayvon and two other students writing “W.T.F.,” an acronym for “What the f—,” on a hallway locker, according to schools police. The security employee, who knew Trayvon, confronted the teen and looked through his bag for the graffiti marker.

Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described the screwdriver as a burglary tool.

Trayvon was asked if the jewelry, which was mostly women’s rings and earrings, belonged to his family or a girlfriend.

“Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.

School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation.

“Martin was suspended, warned and dismissed for the graffiti,” according to the report prepared by Miami-Dade Schools Police.

That suspension was followed four months later by another one, in February, in which Trayvon was caught with an empty plastic bag with traces of marijuana in it, the boy’s family’s attorney has confirmed. A schools police report obtained by The Miami Herald specifies two items: a bag with marijuana residue and a “marijuana pipe.”

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/03/26/police-report-trayvon-martin-suspended-from-school-for-possessing-stolen-jewelry-and-burglary-tool/

Zcat on March 26, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Ha ha, Trayvon was a thief, a vandal, a burglar, and a druggie too? LOL The media story of this poor honest black kid who got shot because he was wearing a hoodie is falling apart faster than I expected.

Dollayo on March 27, 2012 at 2:15 AM

Ha ha, Trayvon was a thief, a vandal, a burglar, and a druggie too? LOL The media story of this poor honest black kid who got shot because he was wearing a hoodie is falling apart faster than I expected.

Dollayo on March 27, 2012 at 2:15 AM

The story falls apart with the application of simple common sense.

1) It’s not likely that Zimmerman “murdered” Martin (as Jackson et al would have us believe), because he had already called the cops and no doubt requested for them to proceed to the scene. Knowing that he’s identified himself to cops and they are on their way, he’s not very well going to shoot an unarmed man at point blank range without some kind of serious provocation (i.e. be in fear of his life).

2) There was undoubtedly a fight. It’s very unlikely that the short, portly, unfit Zimmerman initiated this fight with a young, strapping sports player who towered over him. Therefore it stands to reason that Martin initiated the violence.

3) Martin would not have attacked Zimmerman had Zimmerman been pointing his gun at him. He would have either fled, or put his hands up. Therefore it stands to reason that Martin attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman reached for his gun as a last resort whilst being attacked.

All this back and forth about skin color by the race hustling scum (Jackson, libfreeordie) is just truly ridiculous and they should be ashamed, to openly mock their own intelligence in public like that.

Did Zimmerman verbally confront Martin? Perhaps. Was he stupid for ignoring the dispatcher’s advice? Maybe. But these are far less serious issues that murder or manslaughter. We may condemn him for his stupidity, at most. What we can’t condemn him for, is reaching for a last resort of defense when getting the snot pummeled out of him. How many of you have actually been “pummeled”? It’s a terrifying experience. I have been pummeled on a number of occasions. You become acutely aware that you’re in danger of receiving potentially fatal or life changing brain injuries. Survival instinct focuses very heavily on the protection of the head. You are your brain. You must protect it at all costs. Having someone on top of you beating the crap out of you is especially terrifying. That’s about as defenseless as it’s possible to feel. You can’t get up, you can’t run away, you can’t do anything. Would I reach for a gun? Oh hell yes, and I wouldn’t hesitate to use it.

Sharke on March 27, 2012 at 2:36 AM

We have been receiving plenty of e-mail on this subject, as one might imagine, and most of it wondering why we’re not posting the latest assumptions and second-hand assertions in this matter. It’s because we are inclined to take Joe Oliver’s advice and let the professional investigators establish the facts first, rather than speculation on what kinds of activities in which the two men involved in the incident may have taken part in the past, whether hoodies are as much to blame as the gun, and so on. Zimmerman and Martin’s family deserve a thorough investigation and the establishment of the facts of the case, and once that happens, we will know how to proceed with this case.

I agree… one can not approach this matter without being fully informed of the circumstances/argument/evidence of the case. My question would be why not apply the same due diligence to other matters reported by Hot Air?

lexhamfox on March 27, 2012 at 2:40 AM

For the first time, I saw a picture of Trayvon other than the saintly ones I’ve seen that make him look as if he was 12-years old.

When are we going to see some information on the size of the Zimmerman and Trayvon? Every set of photos I see suggest that Zimmerman was 6’4″, 275 and Trayvon was 5’4″, 120.

At first glance, I thought Zimmerman would be toast–probably guilty of manslaughter, though certainly not murder. Although we don’t have even a fraction of all the facts, I’m starting to think that this one is going to blow up in the faces of all the race hustlers.

BuckeyeSam on March 27, 2012 at 5:44 AM

Trayvon is not the only one.

libfreeordie on March 26, 2012 at 9:36 PM

You’re absolutely right libfreeordie4life, “Trayvon” is not the only one. And we need to point out all the racially motivated murders until this insanity stops.

What’s funny with this Snopes story being “Mostly True”? This liberal answer page considers the idea that it wasn’t covered for it’s significance in the media, the false part. Then gave this explanation.

“A more rational explanation might be found in the sober that murders – even decidedly horrific murders – are unfortunately an all too often occurrence in the U. S. for all of them to garner national attention.”

I guess a young innocent white couple being raped, butchered alive, shot and then burned because of their race is just, “unfortunate”. Can you imagine if then President Bush had said publically, “If I had a son, he would look like Christian.”

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 6:58 AM

sober “observation” …

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 7:02 AM

Sorry, second correction. The fact that both the man and woman were raped by these four men and a woman lends to confusion with the names liberfreeordie4life. So can you imagine if then President Bush had said publically, “If I had a son, he would look like Christopher.”

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 7:07 AM

And the last thing is that this president wiping this blood on his shirt along with his candid camera moment with the Russian President lends credence to what some commenters here have said about impeachment. This is the worst president in US history. Worse than Carter.

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 7:10 AM

When this happened, it didn’t garner national attention either.

It was “unfortunate.”

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 7:44 AM

Uh oh Zimmerman apologists and Trayvon-smear artists, looks like big, aggressive, in control Trayvon Martin made a call to 911 while Zimmerman accosted him. The FBI has it. Wonder why the Sanford PD didn’t mention that before…….

libfreeordie on March 26, 2012 at 9:10 PM

And? If this is true (so far on one station in chicago claiming it), where would the FBI have gotten the audio from?

Your rush to judgment is duly noted. Just like your rush to judgment in Duke Lacross and/or Tawana Brawley, or a myriad of other cases where you think it fits “the narrative”. In contrast, you and yours continue to support convicted cop killers and the like because that also fits “the narrative”.

You accuse everyone around you of racism, yet it is you who views everything through a racial prism and let race determine your opinion on everything. We like to wait for facts and then decide without regard to race. To a reasonable person, that makes you the racist. You think that because you use race to justify liberalism, it makes your racism benign, but it does not. Racism is racism. Whenever you are using race as your determinant, it is racism. And that is all you are doing here.

If it turns out Zimmerman did not act in self-defense, then fine – he should definitely be prosecuted and punished. And if it turns out that there was a “cover up” of some sort, that too should be investigated and dealt with. However, you don’t know the answers to that and we don’t know the answers to that. there are a lot of facts out there and this could go either way. Despite your claims otherwise, it is not obvious that Martin was an angelic little kid and Zimmerman an evil ogre. In fact, Zimmerman is a democrat and a Hispanic, someone who normally would be part of the tribe you normally defend at all costs. So, I guess we now know that when two parts of the rainbow coalition are at odds, who trumps.

I, for one, will wait for actual facts to emerge and judge them accordingly rather than assume I know based solely on the race of the victim. Which again is nothing more than racism.

the usual race hucksters stirring up trouble do not help, nor does the media’s race baiting. When blacks murder whites the media won’t cover it for fear of creating a backlash. Same for muslim crimes (honor killings and the like). but a good white on black crime? Let’s push it as hard as possible and get Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, two of the vilest, most dishonest con artists to ever live, to show righteous indignation.

You and yours should be really proud of this moment. It demonstrates the absolute emptiness of your belief system and ideology. You live to divide and create racial and class tension to try and benefit from it politically. That is all this is, theater for political gain. You don’t care who is hurt or how it harms society. All you care about is being able to claim those you disagree with are racist to hopefully help you win more political contests. It is sick and vile and marks you as total scum.

Monkeytoe on March 27, 2012 at 8:06 AM

I guess the liberal media missed this

Dollayo on March 27, 2012 at 8:46 AM

libfreeordie on March 26, 2012 at 9:10 PM

You’re rather pathetic. Why did you have to go to Sound Cloud to produce your pathetic evidence? BTW, that recording is two days old. Which means that reporter misspoke two days ago and in your desperate attempt to support the narrative you desire you cling to Sound Cloud postings.

Let me ask you a question. I can personally can accept that Zimmerman may be guilty of a crime. But that of course hinges on who initiated the violence. Is there any circumstance under which you can accept that Zimmerman did not commit a crime?

NotCoach on March 27, 2012 at 8:51 AM

Is there any circumstance under which you can accept that Zimmerman did not commit a crime?

NotCoach on March 27, 2012 at 8:51 AM

Sadly, I think we both know the answer to that.

BadgerHawk on March 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM

I’m pretty sure that libfreeordie would say that the graffiti “WTF” that Trayvon put on the school locker really meant “winning the future” Haha!

Conservalicious on March 27, 2012 at 9:04 AM

I’m pretty sure that libfreeordie would say that the graffiti “WTF” that Trayvon put on the school locker really meant “winning the future” Haha!

Conservalicious on March 27, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Anything said about that innocent child now is nothing more than a smear campaign. Just stop it you angry bigots. Just stop and let us tell our side. Just stop and let us publish what we want you to hear. We’ll publish the pictures we want you to see. We’ll decide between Sarah Palin’s survey sights on a political advert and the New Black Panther’s public Reward bounty put on Zimmerman what would more logically incite public violence.

Just stop.

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Conservalicious on March 27, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Sorry, I forgot my libfreeordie4life tag on that absurd response channeling them.

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 9:21 AM

For the record, Zimmerman did not do anything wrong. He saw a suspicious person who when he saw Zimmerman on the telephone ran away. Zimmerman got out of his truck to see where he had ran off to so he could direct the police to where he was. He was not attempting to detain anyone. The operator asked if he was following him, he said yes, and the operator said, “you don’t have to do that.” Zimmerman said okay, he had lost sight of the kid and was returning to his truck to meet the police. It was then that Martin confronted Zimmerman, some words were exchanged, and Martin cold c*cked Zimmmerman. Zimmerman broke no laws, was not stupid, and did not handle anything badly. My reading of the law is that one can use deadly force to stop great bodily injury. Since Zimmerman was on his back with a broken nose, lacerations to the back of his head, screaming for help with no one coming to his aid, he was justified in shooting Martin.

Martin was the aggressor – not Zimmerman.

His family are whining about what they call leaks. That is info that dispel the baby photos they have been releasing. The kid was covered with tats, had a gold grill, and was a thief.

Blake on March 27, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Blake on March 27, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Blake, I’m not meaning to put you on the spot, but can you link to the source of this part?

Since Zimmerman was on his back with a broken nose, lacerations to the back of his head, screaming for help with no one coming to his aid, he was justified in shooting Martin.

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 9:30 AM

For the record, Zimmerman did not do anything wrong. He saw a suspicious person who when he saw Zimmerman on the telephone ran away. Zimmerman got out of his truck to see where he had ran off to so he could direct the police to where he was. He was not attempting to detain anyone. The operator asked if he was following him, he said yes, and the operator said, “you don’t have to do that.” Zimmerman said okay, he had lost sight of the kid and was returning to his truck to meet the police. It was then that Martin confronted Zimmerman, some words were exchanged, and Martin cold c*cked Zimmmerman. Zimmerman broke no laws, was not stupid, and did not handle anything badly. My reading of the law is that one can use deadly force to stop great bodily injury. Since Zimmerman was on his back with a broken nose, lacerations to the back of his head, screaming for help with no one coming to his aid, he was justified in shooting Martin.

Martin was the aggressor – not Zimmerman.

His family are whining about what they call leaks. That is info that dispel the baby photos they have been releasing. The kid was covered with tats, had a gold grill, and was a thief.

Blake on March 27, 2012 at 9:26 AM
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What a load of steaming horsesh1t.

Dave Rywall on March 27, 2012 at 9:35 AM

What a load of steaming horsesh1t.

Dave Rywall on March 27, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Actually quite a bit of truth there.

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 9:37 AM

What a load of steaming horsesh1t.

Dave Rywall on March 27, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Do you always get this annoyed when facts upset your desired narrative apple cart?

NotCoach on March 27, 2012 at 9:38 AM

What a load of steaming horsesh1t.

Dave Rywall on March 27, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Actually quite a bit of truth there.

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 9:37 AM

I don’t mean a lot of truth in your comment. There almost never is. I mean there’s a lot of truth in what Blake said. The media has definitely tried to control the imagery of this story.

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Dave Rywall on March 27, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Everything is on tape, in reports, in statutes, or in photos. The only load of steaming horsesh*t is you.

Blake on March 27, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Why did Michelle Malkin post a false picture of Trayvon Martin on Twitchy? Hmmmmm.

NotCoach: At the very least Zimmerman is guilty of stalking and harassment, so no there’s no way he’s guilty of nothing.

libfreeordie on March 27, 2012 at 9:39 AM

libfreeordie on March 27, 2012 at 9:38 AM

What about the smear campaign against Zimmerman?

If the evidence says he’s guilty, fine. But you don’t get to convict him just because you feel like it.

BadgerHawk on March 27, 2012 at 9:40 AM

When this happened, it didn’t garner national attention either.

It was “unfortunate.”

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 7:44 AM
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Your link: a person was murdered during a robbery. Happens all the time. Your country is numb to it.

Martin: a person was murdered by a racist. A lot of people in your country are outraged by that.

Next question.

Dave Rywall on March 27, 2012 at 9:40 AM

libfreeordie on March 27, 2012 at 9:38 AM

BTW, I read your link. The argument is that making accusations or assertions without sufficient factual evidence to back them up equals a smear.

Which isn’t a bad argument. I just find it funny that you’re oblivious to the fact that you’ve been doing the exact same thing to Zimmerman since the story went national.

BadgerHawk on March 27, 2012 at 9:44 AM

If the evidence says he’s guilty, fine. But you don’t get to convict him just because you feel like it.

BadgerHawk on March 27, 2012 at 9:40 AM

The “coons” thing always seemed ridiculous to me. I didn’t hear him say it and focusing on it is entirely besides the point. Indeed Tim Wise was on CNN pointing out just how ridiculous the topic even was while Don Lemon tried to keep bringing it back to “did he say that word.”

It doesn’t matter if he said that word, what matters is police misconduct. And here’s another key example: Central Florida cops routinely arrest suspects in shooting even when they claim self-defense.

libfreeordie on March 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Martin: a person was murdered by a racist. A lot of people in your country are outraged by that.

Next question.

Dave Rywall on March 27, 2012 at 9:40 AM

You can prove Zimmerman was a racist? From Canada? You’re nothing short of amazing. And the 12 yo girl was home sick and killed by 5 armed black teens. She was unarmed. They had a gun. Your proof that Zimmerman is a racist would seem to prove those teens had met the same burden of proof of being racists.

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Martin: a person was murdered by a racist.

Dave Rywall on March 27, 2012 at 9:40 AM

More accusations of racism without evidence. It’s sad that you can’t make a rational argument based off of facts.

BadgerHawk on March 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM

It doesn’t matter if he said that word, what matters is police misconduct.

libfreeordie on March 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM

So are you willing to maybe walk back your claims that Zimmerman is definately a racist, then? You’ve been pretty forceful in that assertion from the get go, and when challenged you’ve fallen back on his 911 call as ‘proof’.

I myself would like a more detailed explaination from the police department.

BadgerHawk on March 27, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Which isn’t a bad argument. I just find it funny that you’re oblivious to the fact that you’ve been doing the exact same thing to Zimmerman since the story went national.

BadgerHawk on March 27, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Accept that we do know that Zimmerman incorrectly diagnosed Trayvon as “on drugs” (there was a toxicology screening) and “up to no good.” And then the phrase “these a**holes always get away” is key to me. It suggests he believed Trayvon was one of a group of criminals. And it seems that conclusion was drawn entirely from Trayvon’s outfit and his skin color. I’m not sure how that “smears” George Zimmerman, but I’m open to hearing why you think all of that doesn’t suggest a racial motivation behind Zimmerman stalking and accosting Trayvon?

libfreeordie on March 27, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Everything is on tape, in reports, in statutes, or in photos. The only load of steaming horsesh*t is you.

Blake on March 27, 2012 at 9:39 AM
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“He saw a suspicious person ” —- Uh, no, he saw a person and racially profiled him. There is nothing suspicious about a person wearing a hoodie walking down the street with some f*king candy.

“he had lost sight of the kid and was returning to his truck to meet the police” —— Uh, no. He’s clearly walking and talking and looking for the kid.

“It was then that Martin confronted Zimmerman, some words were exchanged, and Martin cold c*cked Zimmmerman.” ——- zero proof of this other than Zimmerman’s word, and some injuries to Zimmerman, the origins of which are indeterminable.

“Zimmerman broke no laws, was not stupid, and did not handle anything badly.” —– disobeyed the 911 dispatcher who told him police were on the way

“Since Zimmerman was on his back with a broken nose, lacerations to the back of his head, screaming for help with no one coming to his aid, he was justified in shooting Martin.” —– Zero proof of any of this beyond Zimmerman’s word. Zero proof it was Zimmerman screaming.

“Martin was the aggressor – not Zimmerman.” —– Zero proof beyond Zimmerman’s word

“The kid was covered with tats, had a gold grill, and was a thief.” —– Zero proof. Nice try to smear him though.

As I said, steaming horsesh1t.

Dave Rywall on March 27, 2012 at 9:48 AM

libfreeordie on March 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM

What was your take on the Newsome/Christian murders in Tennessee?

Was it racism or an unfortunate by-product of common crime and violence in the US?

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Blake, I’m not meaning to put you on the spot, but can you link to the source of this part?

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 9:30 AM

I think he’s piecing things together based off the injuries to Zimmerman, Zimmerman’s statement to police, and an eye witnesses statement.

BadgerHawk on March 27, 2012 at 9:51 AM

You can prove Zimmerman was a racist? From Canada? You’re nothing short of amazing. And the 12 yo girl was home sick and killed by 5 armed black teens. She was unarmed. They had a gun. Your proof that Zimmerman is a racist would seem to prove those teens had met the same burden of proof of being racists.

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM
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With his own words, that’s how.
“up to no good”
‘these a-holes”
“coon”
etc
etc

all based upon appearance

That the 5 a-hole murderers were black is entirely irrelevant. They were burglars. They weren’t chasing down white people they were chasing down DVD players, you moron.

next

Dave Rywall on March 27, 2012 at 9:51 AM

NotCoach: At the very least Zimmerman is guilty of stalking and harassment, so no there’s no way he’s guilty of nothing.

libfreeordie on March 27, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Stalking and harassment…OK.

Considering libertyfreeorelsedeathtoamerikkka’s incredibly low threshold for what constitutes stalking and harassment, be advised anyone who responds to him will probably issued a restraining order to stop stalking and harassing him.

But let’s forget about stalking and harassment and talk only about Martin’s death. Are you saying you accept the possibility Zimmerman acted in self defense?

NotCoach on March 27, 2012 at 9:52 AM

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 9:30 AM

I think he’s piecing things together based off the injuries to Zimmerman, Zimmerman’s statement to police, and an eye witnesses statement.

BadgerHawk on March 27, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Thanks. He still doesn’t respond to me I gather. I just wondered if there was a definitive citation of that yet. It seems like quite a few sources are chomping at the bits to release info.

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Everything is on tape, in reports, in statutes, or in photos. The only load of steaming horsesh*t is you.

Blake on March 27, 2012 at 9:39 AM

You do know that tattoo, grill having, low hanging pants picture was retracted as false. Yup, twitchy.com, owned by Michelle Malkin, tried to smear Trayvon Martin with a false photo. But we dare not accuse them of racism, that would be baiting or something.

Twitchy posted an apology on their website

Correction, 8:56 pm ET March 25, 2012: We made a mistake. The photo on the right is not of the Trayvon Martin who was shot by Zimmerman. We apologize to our readers and to the Martin family.”

The full story on right wing smears of Trayvon’s memory.

http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/right-wing-websites-anonymous-sources-go-after-trayvon-martin?CID=examiner_alerts_article

libfreeordie on March 27, 2012 at 9:53 AM

libfreeordie on March 27, 2012 at 9:38 AM

1. There was a photo with saggy pants that some alleged was Martin but they later retracted it. However, there are other photos of Martin, with his tats, grill, and not looking like a 12 year old, that definitely are Martin.

2. It was a bag with mj residue and he had a pipe commonly used to smoke mj. His tweets also suggest that he was either selling or furnishing mj to his friends.

3. If you don’t want to be seen as suspicious, don’t act supicious. That includes wearing a hoody while appearing to case homes. I don’t believe any kid would go on a 2 mile hike just for skittles in the rain.

4. His tweets suggest otherwise.

5. I don’t know if true or not. The tweet by his brother suggests that. Let his brother explain it.

6. Martin is to blame because he punched Zimmerman in the face, knocking him on the ground, straddling him, and continuing to punch him in the face. He broke the guys nose and caused lacerations to the back of the head.

7. His parents have associated themselves with these fringe groups. I don’t remember seeing them condemn the NBP.

Blake on March 27, 2012 at 9:53 AM

I am sorry, but what kind of name is Trayvon? Am I allowed to say that?

antisense on March 27, 2012 at 9:56 AM

What was your take on the Newsome/Christian murders in Tennessee?

Was it racism or an unfortunate by-product of common crime and violence in the US?

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 9:49 AM

I’m not familiar with the story, but I have two questions:

1. Do the police know who the killers are and where they live?
2. If so have they chosen not to make an arrest?

I keep raising this point because it is *the* crux of the issue in the Trayvon Martin case. The killing is a tragedy, but the racial injustice is that Zimmerman was never even arrested on the night of the murder. That his claim of self-defense was accepted with little more than his word. And with a number of witnesses who challenged his version of the events. Yes, there is the one eye witness who saw Trayvon punching Zimmerman. But the eye witness claims not to have seen the shooting and he didn’t see the beginning of the fight. So all we know is that, for a moment, Trayvon had the upper hand. I do not believe that if Trayvon had been anything other than an unidentified black (or Mexican) man that Zimmerman would have not even been arrested.

The charge of self-defense is for a jury to decide in a court of law, not for the police to use in their discretion to decide who goes before that court of law. When someone dies there should be a trial, period end of story.

libfreeordie on March 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM

“He saw a suspicious person ” —- Uh, no, he saw a person and racially profiled him. There is nothing suspicious about a person wearing a hoodie walking down the street with some f*king candy.

“he had lost sight of the kid and was returning to his truck to meet the police” —— Uh, no. He’s clearly walking and talking and looking for the kid.

Dave Rywall on March 27, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Zimmerman couldn’t positively ID Martin as black initially. He said he saw a person, alone, at night, who he didn’t recognize from the neighborhood, wearing clothing that concealed their identity. He said he thought he was black, and it was only later in the call that he positivley ID’s him as such.

You also assert he was just walking down the street with some candy. Maybe he was, or maybe he was cutting through someone’s yard. We don’t know. We also don’t know that Zimmerman was ‘clearly’ walking and talking and looking for the kid.

The 911 operator never gave him an order, and isn’t in a position of authorization to do so (though it’s easier to argue that the operator’s advice was sound).

It’s funny how you fall back on an argument of zero proof at the end of your post while making multiple assertions without proof further up. It must be difficult to compartmentalize the different standards of proof so quickly.

BadgerHawk on March 27, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Over 4 months ago a drum major at Florida A&M was beaten to death on a bus full of people that was leased by the university and was returning from an event. Although some students have been expelled, NO ONE HAS BEEN ARRESTED. Where is jesse and al on this one? What is the difference between this and the martin case?

Everyone on the bus was black.

peacenprosperity on March 27, 2012 at 9:59 AM

It doesn’t matter if he said that word, what matters is police misconduct. And here’s another key example: Central Florida cops routinely arrest suspects in shooting even when they claim self-defense.

libfreeordie on March 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM

What does this have to do with anything? Claiming self defense does not negate the possibility of an arrest. The lack of a preponderance of evidence to indicate anything else but self defense negates an arrest under Florida law.

BTW, just about all criminals claim to be innocent when confronted. So people who commit murder also claim they were defending themselves? Shocker…

NotCoach on March 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM

With his own words, that’s how.

Okay

“up to no good”

Any person of any ethnic background could be considered to be “up to no good”

‘these a-holes”

Is profanity proof of racism?

“coon”

His friend and quite a few people interpreting the tapes say he said Goon.

etc
etc

etc isn’t evidence of anything.

all based upon appearance

Now you’re profiling.

That the 5 a-hole murderers were black is entirely irrelevant. They were burglars. They weren’t chasing down white people they were chasing down DVD players, you moron.

next

Dave Rywall on March 27, 2012 at 9:51 AM

I’m using your logic and stop with the name calling.

Didn’t like the 12 year old unarmed girl sick at home being killed by 5 “teens” as the local news called her. (That happened in my community)

How about the Newsome/Christian case?

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM

You do know that tattoo, grill having, low hanging pants picture was retracted as false. Yup, twitchy.com, owned by Michelle Malkin, tried to smear Trayvon Martin with a false photo. But we dare not accuse them of racism, that would be baiting or something.

Do you read what you link? They retracted the claim that the photo of the kid in baggy pants was Martin – not the other photos. You can find them on his old myspace page with his baby photos that his family has been releasing.

Blake on March 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM

I’m not familiar with the story,

libfreeordie on March 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Exactly.

hawkdriver on March 27, 2012 at 10:01 AM

I think I finally understand. Only black people can say the n word and only black people can kill black people.

peacenprosperity on March 27, 2012 at 10:02 AM

libfreeordie on March 27, 2012 at 9:53 AM

How can you claim that Twitchy tried to smear Martin when they retracted the photo, admitted mistake, and apologized.

A reasonable person might claim sloppy journalism.

BadgerHawk on March 27, 2012 at 10:02 AM

1. There was a photo with saggy pants that some alleged was Martin but they later retracted it. However, there are other photos of Martin, with his tats, grill, and not looking like a 12 year old, that definitely are Martin.
Blake on March 27, 2012 at 9:53 AM
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Hey Mr. Dum dum those photos that Malkin’s website smeared Martin with were from a kid’s facebook page – a kid whose first name just happens to be Trayvon.
Where’s the kid from? New York.
Where’s the lin you ask?
Here you go, you smearing clown:
https://www.facebook.com/people/Trayvon-Martin/100001791912868

Nice try. I’m sure you’ll find other ways to smear a dead kid.

Dave Rywall on March 27, 2012 at 10:02 AM

However, there are other photos of Martin, with his tats, grill, and not looking like a 12 year old, that definitely are Martin.

So I haven’t seen those. But why on earth does that matter. Are you saying that I can suspect a white man on a harley, with long hair and a leather jacket of being a member of the Sons of Anarchy because that’s what I saw on TV? Does that mean I can assume a woman walking down the street in a short skirt and revealing top is a whore who wants sex? You’re saying that the bigoted, small minded stereotypes people carry around them should be defended and celebrated, to the point where we actually frame them as “common sense.” And then, and this takes the cake, you’ll turn around and say “racism? huh, no way, that doesn’t exist anymore.” Please, you probably would have defended Emmett Till’s murder, after all, everyone knew that a black man whistling at a white girl was dangerous in the south. And why did he even go down there to visit relatives in the first place? Shouldn’t he have stayed in Chicago. Its always the victims fault for you isn’t it. If you can make a clear distinction between Trayvon Martin and Emmett Till I’d like to see it. If Emmett fought back against his attackers at some point, does that mean they could’ve claimed self-defense?

libfreeordie on March 27, 2012 at 10:03 AM

I have to laugh at these so called wits that claim that it was Martin crying out for help. They were not in view and had never heard Martin’s voice. They just assumed that it was what Martin would sound like. That’s nucking futz.

Blake on March 27, 2012 at 10:04 AM

How can you claim that Twitchy tried to smear Martin when they retracted the photo, admitted mistake, and apologized.

A reasonable person might claim sloppy journalism.

BadgerHawk on March 27, 2012 at 10:02 AM
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What glue are you sniffing

That they retracted them doesn’t change the fact that they posted them in the first place with intent to smear.

Dave Rywall on March 27, 2012 at 10:05 AM

I’m sure Ed will post about the fake Trayvon Martin ‘gangsta’ pics.
Unless Michelle Malkin – who waited about 1 second before jumping on that bandwagon – forbids him to.
Epic fail, and just pathetic.
I’d be surprised if even she isn’t pretty ashamed of herself.

verbaluce on March 27, 2012 at 10:06 AM

What glue are you sniffing

That they retracted them doesn’t change the fact that they posted them in the first place with intent to smear.

Dave Rywall on March 27, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Every time you post it is a smear on the Human race. Maybe this is like Dan Rather’s Fake But Accurate (TM).

antisense on March 27, 2012 at 10:06 AM

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