Video: Zimmerman friend calls for patience in investigation

posted at 12:10 pm on March 26, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Fox’s Martha MacCallum interviews a friend of the shooter in the Trayvon Martin case, George Zimmerman, on the reaction to the case, the assumptions of the media, and the political lessons being applied ahead of the facts. Joe Oliver tells MacCallum that race had nothing to do with this case, and the best action everyone can take now is to let the investigations take place and the facts be established:


Oliver agrees with Florida Governor Rick Scott in saying that this is not a test case for the Stand Your Ground law, either. Given what we know of the case — and if that understanding doesn’t change — then that’s correct. By following a suspected prowler, that law doesn’t apply, but the laws of self-defense still very well might, which are separate from SYG, which provides further clarification to the core rights of self-defense. It depends greatly on what took place, what happened with the gun, and the level of threat that occurred if the gun was fired intentionally, all points that are terribly unclear at the moment.

We have been receiving plenty of e-mail on this subject, as one might imagine, and most of it wondering why we’re not posting the latest assumptions and second-hand assertions in this matter. It’s because we are inclined to take Joe Oliver’s advice and let the professional investigators establish the facts first, rather than speculation on what kinds of activities in which the two men involved in the incident may have taken part in the past, whether hoodies are as much to blame as the gun, and so on. Zimmerman and Martin’s family deserve a thorough investigation and the establishment of the facts of the case, and once that happens, we will know how to proceed with this case.

One last point: Let’s remember that our fundamental rights to keep and bear arms and to act in our own self-defense do not rest on one case. We should defend those who act within the law, but we should also take care to know the facts before we come to that defense. That’s one lesson all of us, and I’m not excepting myself, can learn from this case before the investigation is complete.


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911 operator told Zimmerman not to follow the boy. He did it anyway because “a black kid who was up to no good in a hoddie” was roaming about.

liberal4life on March 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

MSNBC (Al Sharpton) is calling for a wave of civil disobedience…

d1carter on March 26, 2012 at 12:15 PM

It’s because we are inclined to take Joe Oliver’s advice and let the professional investigators establish the facts first, rather than speculation on what kinds of activities in which the two men involved in the incident may have taken part in the past

Amen! There is already too much rampant speculation and assumptions floating around with no foundation in fact. And some of the worst offenders have been the media.

For example the media was out there for days saying that Zimmerman was a serial 911 caller. Turns out he called 911 46 times since 2001 not 2010 as was being reported. That’s a far different narrative than the crazed racist vigilante that was being portrayed.

Happy Nomad on March 26, 2012 at 12:16 PM

MSNBC (Al Sharpton) is calling for a wave of civil disobedience…

d1carter on March 26, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Looks like Al wants to go to another fire sale at Freddy’s Fashion Mart.

teke184 on March 26, 2012 at 12:17 PM

911 operator told Zimmerman not to follow the boy. He did it anyway because “a black kid who was up to no good in a hoddie” was roaming about.

liberal4life on March 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Well then…with your statement..
Zimmerman is guilty.
Next case..

Electrongod on March 26, 2012 at 12:17 PM

liberal4life on March 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Unfortunately a couple of elderly black spokesmen are dancing around the edges in encouraging violence. Will they be held accountable for any violence that occurs as a result.

Wait for the facts. Geraldo is an idiot who doesn’t speak for the public at large any more than Sharpton or Jackson do.

Bradky on March 26, 2012 at 12:17 PM

911 operator told Zimmerman not to follow the boy. He did it anyway because “a black kid who was up to no good in a hoddie” was roaming about.

liberal4life on March 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

And you know this how? Were you lurking in the bushes in Sanford on the night in question?

Happy Nomad on March 26, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Lobotomy4Life was there! So if the Hispanic guy had gotten in a fight and shot a white guy in a hoodie, instead of a black guy, would you have the same racially biassed attitude?

ObamatheMessiah on March 26, 2012 at 12:18 PM

A simple question…

If George Zimmerman had been killed, would the media and the usual suspects and race hustlers be as up in arms and demanding all sorts of civil disobedience prior to any of the actual facts of the case being presented before an authorized and established judiciary and a proper and thorough investigation being completed?

Didn’t think so.

coldwarrior on March 26, 2012 at 12:18 PM

“I’m First! I’m First!”

liberal4life on March 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Del Dolemonte on March 26, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Anybody else remember that movie/book The Bonfire of the Vanities?

Ukiah on March 26, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Yes, it was either Zimmerman or the boy. You know how dangerous those bags of Skittles are. Sugar and all.

inthemiddle on March 26, 2012 at 12:21 PM

i am glad there will be an investigation and i hope more facts come out if they are hidden now.

but for now, zimmerman looks guilty.

-he followed trayvon when he was not supposed to.
-trayvon was unarmed.
-zimmerman said trayvon “looked suspicious.” um, how? by walking down a street? what exactly was trayvon doing that was suspicious? if this case has nothing to do with race then why did zimmerman claim trayvon was suspicious?

Sachiko on March 26, 2012 at 12:21 PM

One last point: Let’s remember that our fundamental rights to keep and bear arms and to act in our own self-defense do not rest on one case. We should defend those who act within the law, but we should also take care to know the facts before we come to that defense. That’s one lesson all of us, and I’m not excepting myself, can learn from this case before the investigation is complete.

Some mea culpa after posting the below quote in the hoodie thread?

There is no situation where a confrontation you initiated, in which you were never threatened with mortal danger, can be legally ended by you using lethal force. Zimmerman should be charged with manslaughter or maybe even second degree murder under Florida law.

That paragraph is kinda of offensive to anyone who believes in liberty and straight out of the racists of the left’s handbook. The (il)logical implication of course is that we all surrender our right to self defense by just simply saying hello to someone first. I am glad though you have finally come to understand that nothing prior to the confrontation could ever be considered an illegal act (based on what we know at this point), and that it really only does matter what happened after the confrontation.

NotCoach on March 26, 2012 at 12:21 PM

This case of course has introduced the racial classification “white Hispanic” from Reuters at least and MSNBC you know as well. Someone I read did one of those comprehensive searches and Reuters of course had
never ever written of “white Hispanics” before.

Marcus on March 26, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Rick Santorum is lined up with Al Sharpton. Legal Insurrection has the story.

David Blue on March 26, 2012 at 12:21 PM

So are we going to start seeing Hoodie Walks?

DethMetalCookieMonst on March 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM

It’s because we are inclined to take Joe Oliver’s advice and let the professional investigators establish the facts first, rather than speculation on what kinds of activities in which the two men involved in the incident may have taken part in the past, whether hoodies are as much to blame as the gun, and so on. Zimmerman and Martin’s family deserve a thorough investigation and the establishment of the facts of the case, and once that happens, we will know how to proceed with this case.

Thanks you for that. I turned off Beck this morning after listening to him go on and on about how we need to avoid speculation and let the system work even though based on what he’s read he thinks Zimmerman is probably guilty. Beck kept referring to Martin by his first name, as if they had a personal connection.

Mr. Arkadin on March 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM

One last point: Let’s remember that our fundamental rights to keep and bear arms and to act in our own self-defense do not rest on one case.
posted at 12:10 pm on March 26, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Perhaps – but as far as a future for Stand Your Ground laws, not much of one. This will be the defining example, regardless of how much the NRA et al pray that it won’t be.

verbaluce on March 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Didn’t think so.

coldwarrior on March 26, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Nor would anybody care or take notice if Trayvon Martin been killed by another black teen. Just anohter black-on-black murder.

Happy Nomad on March 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM

911 operator told Zimmerman not to follow the boy. He did it anyway because “a black kid who was up to no good in a hoddie” was roaming about.

liberal4life on March 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Thus breaking…what law?

NotCoach on March 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Liberals will find racism wherever they look, they are fairly simple minded and racism is one of those “simple” ideas that help fill in when logic evades them.

right2bright on March 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM

For everyone that is in a hurry for judgement, I have two words:

Duke lacrosse“…

I am happy to wait it out and let the JUSTICE SYSTEM do its job…

Khun Joe on March 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM

If some law has a problem with Mr. Zimmermann putting a vicious animal out of his misery while protecting his life and limb, the conservatives should take umbrage with the law, not Mr. Zimmermann’s action. We need less laws on the book that protect criminals and more of them protecting citizens from them.

Archivarix on March 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

It’s because we are inclined to take Joe Oliver’s advice and let the professional investigators establish the facts first, rather than speculation on what kinds of activities in which the two men involved in the incident may have taken part in the past, whether hoodies are as much to blame as the gun, and so on.

Good advice. Because it’s not hard just to flip a picture or two and get…

http://moonbattery.com/?p=9672

MNHawk on March 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

911 operator told Zimmerman not to follow the boy. He did it anyway because “a black kid who was up to no good in a hoddie” was roaming about.

liberal4life on March 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

And you know this how? Were you lurking in the bushes in Sanford on the night in question?

Umm, no, we know this because they made the 911 tapes public and we heard the dispatcher tell him not to follow the kid.

Fact: He had at least 100 lbs on the kid and he was armed. That makes any claim by him that this kid somehow threatened his life absurd.
Fact: If he had followed instructions from the cops and not followed the kid none of this would have happened.

Curmudgeon on March 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

There are witnesses to the GJ that Martin attacked Zimmerman.

Shame on all the contenders for the presidency for saying more than “we don’t know the facts – all remain calm”.

Shame on Obama. Thousands of children die and he doesn’t speak up. He is a dividing swine, with the utmost apologies to the good animals.

liberal4life on March 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Go to Hell.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Love how the media puts up a photo of Zimmerman all over the pages and screens that just makes you think he’s guilty, meanwhile all of the photos of Trayvon are really old and when he was young and smiling, not throwing up two birds with his boxers hanging out of his pants.

They really are just trying to subconsciously put everyone against this guy from the start.

However, what else can you expect from the fourth branch of government?

I don’t know all the facts of the case. Zimmerman might be totally in the wrong, but he also might be totally vindicated in the end. Who knows. What I do know is that the media is pushing the public into labeling Zimmerman guilty before we even know anything.

Pathetic.

blatantblue on March 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

I would not be one bit surprised if Obama shows up at his next speech wearing a hoodie. Not one bit.

BettyRuth on March 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer?

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer

idesign on March 26, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Ed, if I dress up in a hoodie US Border Patrol Agent uniform, do you think we could get some attention towards the murder of either Brian Terry or Jaime Zapata?

The end result of the Martin and Terry case are the same–and that is gun control. No matter the outcome. Murders in Mexico via Fast & Furious?—>gun control. Trayvon Martin dies from a GSW in Florida—>gun control. SSDD. There is no wavering from the subject, thus, it is appropriate to discuss both issues within the same context, right?

ted c on March 26, 2012 at 12:24 PM

The 911 operator did not tell Zimmerman “not to follow” Martin.

The 911 operator asked Zimmerman if he was following the suspect, and when Zimmerman replied in the affirmative, the operator told him “You don’t need to do that”. Not the same thing.

CalFed on March 26, 2012 at 12:24 PM

If some law has a problem with Mr. Zimmermann putting a vicious animal out of his misery while protecting his life and limb, the conservatives should take umbrage with the law, not Mr. Zimmermann’s action. We need less laws on the book that protect criminals and more of them protecting citizens from them.

Archivarix on March 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

vicious animal Really? A kid going out to buy Skittles for his kid brother? Dude, get a grip.

Curmudgeon on March 26, 2012 at 12:24 PM

“a black kid who was up to no good in a hoddie” was roaming about.

liberal4life on March 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Well, now we know how you feel about black teens, but that sheds no light whatsoever on what happened between Martin and Zimmerman, does it?

Siddhartha Vicious on March 26, 2012 at 12:25 PM

if this case has nothing to do with race then why did zimmerman claim trayvon was suspicious?

Sachiko on March 26, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Maybe he was lurking around peoiple’s homes or vehicles? Why do you make an assumption he didnt do something suspicious? If you come lurking around my house with you face hidden ina hoodie you may not like the result.

ObamatheMessiah on March 26, 2012 at 12:25 PM

“Duke lacrosse“…

I am happy to wait it out and let the JUSTICE SYSTEM do its job…

Khun Joe on March 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM

and look who the players are, once again…..none other than the Sharptons and Jacksons……

ted c on March 26, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Anybody else remember that movie/book The Bonfire of the Vanities?

Ukiah on March 26, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Yep, read it after the Duke Lacrosse case and immediately thought of the scene where the reporter is taking down background on the dead boy, punching up what the mother told him to make the story a big tragedy that he’d gotten hit by a car.

teke184 on March 26, 2012 at 12:25 PM

The 911 operator did not tell Zimmerman “not to follow” Martin.

The 911 operator asked Zimmerman if he was following the suspect, and when Zimmerman replied in the affirmative, the operator told him “You don’t need to do that”. Not the same thing.

CalFed on March 26, 2012 at 12:24 PM

With all due respect, yes, it is.

Curmudgeon on March 26, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Btw the 911 tape of “Trayvon screaming”? I knew it was Zimmerman. Boy did I get into a two hour argument with someone over that. But the witness says it was Zimmerman only because the police forced him to.

Or so I’ve been told.

Marcus on March 26, 2012 at 12:26 PM

The facts of the case may still be in Question but media conduct surrounding the case is not.
The msm has behaved shamefully so far. Everything from referring to Zimmerman as a “white Hispanic” some 50,000 times to the pictures they chose for the articles and news stories.
Treyvon was a 6’3″ athlete and yet the media insist on depicting him as a child.
Coverage of this tragedy has been revoltingly dishonest. Maybe ed and AP can dedicate some space to this fact

daddytype on March 26, 2012 at 12:26 PM

If some law has a problem with Mr. Zimmermann putting a vicious animal out of his misery while protecting his life and limb, the conservatives should take umbrage with the law, not Mr. Zimmermann’s action. We need less laws on the book that protect criminals and more of them protecting citizens from them.

Archivarix on March 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

c’mon. that’s quite hyperbolic and unnecessary.

ted c on March 26, 2012 at 12:26 PM

We have been receiving plenty of e-mail on this subject, as one might imagine, and most of it wondering why we’re not posting the latest assumptions and second-hand assertions in this matter. It’s because we are inclined to take Joe Oliver’s advice and let the professional investigators establish the facts first, rather than speculation on what kinds of activities in which the two men involved in the incident may have taken part in the past, whether hoodies are as much to blame as the gun, and so on.

A little late for that, Ed, when you erroneously stated:

Zimmerman should be charged with manslaughter or maybe even second degree murder under Florida law.

You are the one with the assumptions and second hand assertions. You and others put Zimmerman in unnecessary danger. I’m all for waiting and letting the authorities handle it. But with so many idiots calling for a lynching, people need to speak up on his behalf. Now this case is so tainted he will face charges regardless of the evidence because the race baiters demand his head. Bleh.

Blake on March 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM

The story is far more interesting in how the racist agenda of the left plays out and how they have used this death as a tool to further their agenda.

aniptofar on March 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM

crumudgen. Zimmerman did not have 100 pounds on the “kid”. I read the Police report, at least the part that wasn’t redacted and it listed the weight of Zimmerman at 180 and martin at 150. It also contains the list of injuries to Zimmerman.

sandee on March 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM

911 operator told Zimmerman not to follow the boy. He did it anyway because “a black kid who was up to no good in a hoddie” was roaming about.

liberal4life on March 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Did you listen to the audio? At no time was Zimmerman told not to follow Martin. When Zimmerman responded that he was following, the dispatcher said “You don’t have to do that.” Aren’t the facts in this case murky enough without misrepresenting them?

Dead Hand Control on March 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Never Let A Serious Crisis Go To Waste

FlatFoot on March 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Mr. Arkadin on March 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM

It seems to me that far too many on the right are collectively wetting themselves over this case. In order to avoid confrontation most have embraced the, “Of course Zimmerman is guilty of something!” narrative.

NotCoach on March 26, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Obama wants Zimmerman lynched, one way or another, for killing his proxy son, that’s the main thing everyone needs to know.

VorDaj on March 26, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Fact: He had at least 100 lbs on the kid and he was armed. That makes any claim by him that this kid somehow threatened his life absurd.
Fact: If he had followed instructions from the cops and not followed the kid none of this would have happened.

Curmudgeon on March 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Your assumption is absurd. As a former police office if I was an armed policemanand somebody was beating the crap out of me would that not constitute a threat to my life?

ObamatheMessiah on March 26, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Sachiko on March 26, 2012 at 12:21 PM

So were you in the bushes with liberal4life?

Seriously, what you put out there as fact are media-reported assumptions. You can not say what happened nor the context in which the situation occurred. Yet you decide to judge guilt based on a barely audible tape, accusations made by Trayvon Martin’s family, Mr. Sharpton’s race inspired rants, and media “analysis.”

Everybody needs to chill and let the investigation take its course. Remember the rush to accuse Richard Jewell for the Atlanta Olympics bombing? Remember the Duke lacrosse team? Bottom line is that besides Trayvon Martin, there is another life involved in this sitaution and Zimmerman is entitled to not have his life ruined by unfair speculation and accusation.

Happy Nomad on March 26, 2012 at 12:29 PM

911 operator told Zimmerman not to follow the boy. He did it anyway because “a black kid who was up to no good in a hoddie” was roaming about.

liberal4life on March 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Been meaning to pick up one of those hoddies./

So are we going to start seeing Hoodie Walks?

DethMetalCookieMonst on March 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Yesterday was “wear a hoodie to church” day (not kidding).

The Leftist race hustlers are out. They’ve taken one Hispanic guy killing one black kid and translated that somehow into “all white people are racist.” Cowards like L4L fall right in line for the lynching party.

mankai on March 26, 2012 at 12:29 PM

911 operator told Zimmerman not to follow the boy. He did it anyway because “a black kid who was up to no good in a hoddie” was roaming about.

liberal4life on March 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

After (presumably) reading an article about how people are jumping to conclusions based on incomplete information you take the first opportunity to do what? Jump to conclusions based on incomplete information. Why am I not surprised?

Dee2008 on March 26, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Curmudgeon on March 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

As a nonviolent person, anybody threatening me while moving at me in a threatening manner would be deemed threatening by me.

I’m just… normal that way.

mankai on March 26, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Obama wants Zimmerman lynched, one way or another, for killing his proxy son, that’s the main thing everyone needs to know.

VorDaj on March 26, 2012 at 12:28 PM

In Chicago 600 dead children, of all colors, not a peep…lalalalala because IL is already blue. He needs FL to win.

He is a hyena. To call him a swine does injustice to the good pigs.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2012 at 12:31 PM

911 operator told Zimmerman not to follow the boy. He did it anyway because “a black kid who was up to no good in a hoddie” was roaming about.

liberal4life on March 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

You may be right in your accession. Are you equally against the bounty placed on Zimmerman’s head?

cozmo on March 26, 2012 at 12:31 PM

liberal4life on March 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Sigh… I get the impression you either didn’t read the post or are simply too dense to understand it.

BadgerHawk on March 26, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Archivarix on March 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Unhinged remark from an unhinged dimwit.

verbaluce on March 26, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Archivarix on March 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

I’m inclinded to agree. The more I read about the ‘lad’-the more it become clear that the little angel-wasn’t one.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 26, 2012 at 12:32 PM

vicious animal Really? A kid going out to buy Skittles for his kid brother? Dude, get a grip.

Curmudgeon on March 26, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Locked in your liberal mindset, you probably missed the medical report on Mr. Zimmermann’s condition. The kid was either a hardened criminal, or as rabid as a mad dog.

Archivarix on March 26, 2012 at 12:32 PM

How come the Hispanics are not offended by Obama’s pandering to the black kid but not to the Hispanic ones?

Zimmerman is Hispanic, you fools…ah, but he is not from Mexico…oh, I see.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2012 at 12:32 PM

BadgerHawk on March 26, 2012 at 12:32 PM

She is an ugly racist dumbsh*t.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2012 at 12:34 PM

How come the Hispanics are not offended by Obama’s pandering to the black kid but not to the Hispanic ones?

Zimmerman is Hispanic, you fools…ah, but he is not from Mexico…oh, I see.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2012 at 12:32 PM

The media is referring to him as white hispanic.

It’s unreal. The media is truly a propaganda arm for the left and Democrats in government.

blatantblue on March 26, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Unhinged remark from an unhinged dimwit.

verbaluce on March 26, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Crawl back to your momma’s basement. Oh, and shave your palms before you do, it’ll help your typing coherently.

Archivarix on March 26, 2012 at 12:35 PM

happy nomad: of course, you didn’t answer my question. no one is answering. if it wasn’t race that made zimmerman claim trayvon looked supicious, then what was it? no one has an alternate reason and i can’t think of anything other than race.

i still haven’t heard from all these people who claim zimmerman was an innocent victim, exactly what trayvon was doing wrong to cause zimmerman to follow him.

Sachiko on March 26, 2012 at 12:35 PM

OPERATOR: Are you following him?

ZIMMERMAN: Yea.

OPERATOR: OK, we don’t need you to do that.

ZIMMERMAN: OK.

IIRC Zimmerman did not call 911, he called a non-emergency number.

mad saint jack on March 26, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Curmudgeon on March 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Fact, you can not say with any authority what did or did not transpire between Zimmerman and Martin. You only know what the 911 tapes say without context or anything to do with the critical seconds that matter.

Fact, those of your ilk are just itching to find a reason to lynch Zimmerman. What your agenda is remains unclear.

Fact, you are racist moron.

Happy Nomad on March 26, 2012 at 12:36 PM

I’m looking forward to learning about all the actual evidence before passing judgement. Another facet of the case, confrontation aside, is why was the investigation into what happened delayed for so long. Is there some kind of systemic problem in the Sanford PD?

sandspur on March 26, 2012 at 12:36 PM

vicious animal Really? A kid going out to buy Skittles for his kid brother? Dude, get a grip.

Curmudgeon on March 26, 2012 at 12:24 PM

You get a grip, along with the other ignorant people, incl. Obama and the 4 rightie weasels. Don’t make me post proof that the kid was not an “innocent”. He was a gang member, out for trouble.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2012 at 12:36 PM

How come the Hispanics are not offended by Obama’s pandering to the black kid but not to the Hispanic ones?

Zimmerman is Hispanic, you fools…ah, but he is not from Mexico…oh, I see.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2012 at 12:32 PM

I would be willing to bet 90% of people who casually hear about this story assume he is white based on his name alone.

BakerAllie on March 26, 2012 at 12:36 PM

There is an eyewitness who saw Martin beating Zimmerman which is consistent with Zimmerman’s claim of self defense. You can question whether Zimmerman should have used deadly force but Martin is not quite the innocent victim some of the race hustlers are making him out to be. Al Sharpton’s involvement brings back memories of the Tawana Brawley case, in which innocent men had their names dragged through the mud by Sharpton and his lying teen client.

Hera on March 26, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Eye witness and physical evidence strongly suggest that Zimmerman lost sight of Martin and was walking back to his car, when he was jumped from behind, knocked to the ground, and savagely beaten by Martin.

A classic textbook case of legitimate self defense.

Rebar on March 26, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Start beating on an armed man and you end up dead. No big deal here just Darwin in action.

tommyboy on March 26, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Leftists like L4L read the races involved, then make up their minds.

Since the Hispanic has less melanin in his skin, he’s guilty.

Facts be damned. The Left is built on racism and prejudices.

mankai on March 26, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Locked in your liberal mindset, you probably missed the medical report on Mr. Zimmermann’s condition. The kid was either a hardened criminal, or as rabid as a mad dog.

Archivarix on March 26, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Well we’re all getting a psych report on Archivarix..

verbaluce on March 26, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Not sure this link works, but this guy Wasn’t the angel the media is portraying.

https://patdollard.com/2012/03/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealing-gangbanger/

idesign on March 26, 2012 at 12:39 PM

There are witnesses to the GJ that Martin attacked Zimmerman.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Yep. Guy named John in the police reports. Said the guy on the bottom, wearing red, was getting the hell beat out of him and screaming for help. Guy doing the beating was wearing black hoodie. Zimmerman was wearing red. John called 911 to report it and next time he looked the guy in black was dead. John didn’t want to be identified to the public. Don’t blame him, but the cops have his witness statemnt in the file. Can’t provide a link, ..maybe Jawa or someone similar? It was leaked.

a capella on March 26, 2012 at 12:39 PM

happy nomad: of course, you didn’t answer my question. no one is answering. if it wasn’t race that made zimmerman claim trayvon looked supicious, then what was it? no one has an alternate reason and i can’t think of anything other than race.

i still haven’t heard from all these people who claim zimmerman was an innocent victim, exactly what trayvon was doing wrong to cause zimmerman to follow him.

Sachiko on March 26, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Why does it matter? Zimmerman saw what he believed was a suspicious character, called 911 and followed him. What law is violated? What is more important when we are talking about a life cut short? Justice or race baiting?

NotCoach on March 26, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Police believed Zimmerman when he told them Martin came up to him from behind, after he was returning to his SUV and said “You got a problem?” Zimmerman claims he said “no” and Martin said “You do now” and decked him with one blow to the nose. Martin then climbed on top of Zimmerman and repeatedly pounded his head into the sidewalk. This was confirmed by an eyewitness.

Article here.

Mord on March 26, 2012 at 12:39 PM

happy nomad: of course, you didn’t answer my question. no one is answering. if it wasn’t race that made zimmerman claim trayvon looked supicious, then what was it? no one has an alternate reason and i can’t think of anything other than race.

Sachiko on March 26, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Motive is one of those things that responsible people would wait for the investigation to discern. Who are you to declare that it must be race and not simply the fact that someone is lurking in the dark wearing a hood? The fact of the matter is that you are jumping to assumptions and conclusions without one bit of evidence that your version is correct.

Happy Nomad on March 26, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Did you listen to the audio? At no time was Zimmerman told not to follow Martin. When Zimmerman responded that he was following, the dispatcher said “You don’t have to do that.” Aren’t the facts in this case murky enough without misrepresenting them?

Dead Hand Control on March 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Did you listen? The dispatcher told him, “We don’t need you to do that.” Wait for the officers.”

Curmudgeon on March 26, 2012 at 12:39 PM

No word yet on if the President had a Son, he would be like
those Black Panthers who issued a Bounty on Zimmerman??

ToddPA on March 26, 2012 at 12:40 PM

We don’t really know what went down or how it went down but that’s just fine with the race-baiters.

Maybe it was a clean shoot. Maybe it was not.

Let’s see.

CorporatePiggy on March 26, 2012 at 12:40 PM

idesign on March 26, 2012 at 12:39 PM

That’s what I’ve read as well.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 26, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Fact: If he had followed instructions from the cops and not followed the kid none of this would have happened.

Curmudgeon on March 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Fact – An emergency services dispatcher is not an LEO and as such may not give a lawful order.

Fact – “You don’t need to do that” even if spoken by an LEO would not be a lawful order. It is not a direction that demand compliance. “Don’t do that”, “Stop”, or “Stay where you are” would be orders or commands. Whether any of these statements would constitute a lawful order by an LEO is unclear but irrelevant as no command was made.

Fact – Americans have long been given rights to enforce laws themselves, utilizing a citizen’s arrest. Every state varies in it’s interpretation of this ability – some allow arrest in the event of a misdemeanor, others only allow where a felony has occurred. Florida does not have a specific statute on point, but case law provides for citizen’s arrest. Based on police reports, Zimmerman didn’t attempt to affect a citizen’s arrest, electing instead to follow and allow the police to do their job and confront. Your contention that we should all run to our homes and wait for an LEO to save us when we see a suspicious individual, and that we don’t even have the right to monitor that person from a distance is not supported by the law.

Dead Hand Control on March 26, 2012 at 12:40 PM

For example the media was out there for days saying that Zimmerman was a serial 911 caller. Turns out he called 911 46 times since 2001 not 2010 as was being reported. That’s a far different narrative than the crazed racist vigilante that was being portrayed.

Happy Nomad on March 26, 2012 at 12:16 PM

You think someone assigned to Neighborhood Watch in a problem area might tend to call 911 more often than average?

slickwillie2001 on March 26, 2012 at 12:41 PM

If some law has a problem with Mr. Zimmermann putting a vicious animal out of his misery while protecting his life and limb, the conservatives should take umbrage with the law, not Mr. Zimmermann’s action. We need less laws on the book that protect criminals and more of them protecting citizens from them.

Archivarix on March 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Vicious animal? Seriously?

BadgerHawk on March 26, 2012 at 12:41 PM

The media is referring to him as white hispanic.

It’s unreal. The media is truly a propaganda arm for the left and Democrats in government.

blatantblue on March 26, 2012 at 12:35 PM

White hispanic. Is that a new category on the census? Funny, I’ve never seem them refer to Obama as a white black.

Dee2008 on March 26, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Sachiko on March 26, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Any teen I don’t recognize who comes into my neighborhood I automatically deem “suspicious.”

mankai on March 26, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Corey added that it’s also not clear whether prosecuting the death as a hate crime would lead to a conviction. Martin, 17, was black; Zimmerman, 28, is Hispanic.

Zimmerman suffered a broken nose and a gash to the back of his head as a result of his encounter with Martin.

On Sunday, Oliver said that “I’m a black male and all that I know is that George has never given me any reason whatsoever to believe he has anything against people of color.”

Both Sonner and Oliver said they had decided to talk to the press because of what they believe is a one-sided portrayal of what happened.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Zimmerman told the operator that he looked suspicious – up to no good or on drugs, because it was raining and he was wandering aimlessly, staring at houses, Martin than ran. Zimmerman got out of his truck to follow him. A 911 operator is not a police officer giving a lawful order. The operator said he didn’t need to do that. That is not an order even if the operator had the authority to give one. So, stop misquoting/misrepresenting the 911 call.

Also, Zimmerman lost sight of Martin for 5 minutes. Zimmerman went back to his truck. Martin had to have come back and confronted him.

Blake on March 26, 2012 at 12:42 PM

i still haven’t heard from all these people who claim zimmerman was an innocent victim, exactly what trayvon was doing wrong to cause zimmerman to follow him.

Sachiko on March 26, 2012 at 12:35 PM

This is from an article on NRO:

At the outset of his call to the police, Zimmerman reports that Martin “looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs, or something — it’s raining, and he’s just walking around, looking about.” Martin looks around at the houses, then starts staring back at Zimmerman, and finally walks toward Zimmerman with his “hands on his waistband” to “check me out.”

It certainly seems like a confrontation may have started while Zimmerman was still in his car. Not saying Zimmerman should have chased him if nothing else happened, but it seems like there was an interaction of some sort before he got out of his car.

BakerAllie on March 26, 2012 at 12:42 PM

911 operator told Zimmerman not to follow the boy. He did it anyway because “a black kid who was up to no good in a hoddie” was roaming about.

liberal4life on March 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Zimmerman was walking back to his truck after being told he didn’t need to follow Martin when he was attacked from behind. Try doing something useful lamebrain4life, google the facts of the case, instead of repeating the talking points you’re being fed by MSNBC.

Flora Duh on March 26, 2012 at 12:42 PM

The calls for patience from the Zimmerman camp are a ironic tragedy. If Zimmerman had just used patience, stayed in his truck and not stalked Trayvon we would not be here now and Trayvon would be alive and well.

Patience is something Zimmerman should have practiced, because his actions and bad decisions led to the death of a young man. And he (Zimmerman) is at fault.

Apparently, Zimmerman was not attacked, but ‘had words’ with Trayvon which caused Trayvon to punch Zimmerman. What those words were are not clear, but the one walking away and without any intention of a conflict was Trayvon, while the one looking for a confrontation with a loaded gun was Zimmerman. As someone noted:

Since when does the aggressor get to call it self-defense when the so-called perpetrator is moving away from them and not to them?

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/18230

AJStrata on March 26, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Rush Limbaugh is comparing this to Duke Lacrosse as we speak.

Also said this is the first time in the history of the NY Times that they have ever referred to a Hispanic as “White”.

Del Dolemonte on March 26, 2012 at 12:42 PM

I’m looking forward to learning about all the actual evidence before passing judgement. Another facet of the case, confrontation aside, is why was the investigation into what happened delayed for so long. Is there some kind of systemic problem in the Sanford PD?

sandspur on March 26, 2012 at 12:36 PM

It wasn’t delayed. The question was settled to the satisfaction of the Sandford PD and the local prosecutor prior to this becoming a national joke. They determined it was self defense. The case is being reopened because it has all become a political nightmare. I suspect a political indictment will be handed down as well.

NotCoach on March 26, 2012 at 12:43 PM

It’s because we are inclined to take Joe Oliver’s advice and let the professional investigators establish the facts first, rather than speculation on what kinds of activities in which the two men involved in the incident may have taken part in the past, whether hoodies are as much to blame as the gun, and so on.

“Zimmerman should be charged with manslaughter or maybe even second degree murder under Florida law.”

WordsMatter on March 26, 2012 at 12:43 PM

If Martin had been killed by another black person, he’d be just another statistic instead of a national news story.

catmman on March 26, 2012 at 12:43 PM

He is a hyena. To call him a swine does injustice to the good pigs.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Shortly after 9/ll, in 2003 snipers of “unknown” nationality hid like cowards in the trunk of their car, and picked off victims with high-powered firearms like shooting ducks at a pond. One of the victims was a 13-year-old boy who was on his way to school in Bowie, MD, and he WASN’T wearing a “hoodie!” As the number of victims were racked up over a number of days, everyone was scared and did their best to help alert police with tips about what they were seeing. In short the random killings had the Washington, D.C. area under mass alert.

In the end it was learned that the older man was ex-military, and the younger man was his student . . . both were minority and both Muslim converts. In the end, there was no mass demonstration on the part of non-minority people, there were no press conferences led by conservatives who placed a bounty upon their heads for $10,000 dead or alive, there was no condemnation as to the fact that they had killed using guns, and there was no recrimination of the police department.

Today we see liberal media fueling the fire with half-truths and some down right lies, we see Rev. Al Sharpton at the helm of a group of rioters who are demanding that the police in Florida arrest the shooter without even completing their investigation, and vigilante justice seems to be the theme of the week! We still have the same justice system which says a man/woman is innocent until PROVEN guilty, we are still entitled to be charged in a timely fashion and given counsel to defend ourselves, and we are entitled to a jury of our peers to evaluate the evidence to decide if a preponderance of the evidence presented is enough to prove “beyond a shadow of a doubt” the guilt of the charged party.

So what was the difference? I suggest that it has EVERYTHING to do with the leadership of this country, the erosion of the moral foundation of our people, and the expectation of President Bush that we would allow the police to do their job, that these men would be judged by a jury of their peers, and justice would be done . . . . PERIOD!!!! President Bush did NOT order the DOJ to intervene to make sure justice “according to Bush” was done, and he did NOT do his best to incite riots.

Where is President Obama’s outrage that The New Black Panthers have put out a wanted poster for the shooter giving a reward of $10,000 for his capture or killing? Isn’t that literally a contract to hire a killer in itself? The last time I knew hiring a contract killer was against the law . . . . . unless the victim of the shooter was black, according to the NEW law of the land as interpreted by this administration!

RasThavas on March 26, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Vicious animal? Seriously?

BadgerHawk on March 26, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Very seriously. Read the med report. Guns can kill, but so can fists when used with skill and impunity.

Archivarix on March 26, 2012 at 12:43 PM

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