Quotes of the day

posted at 8:00 pm on March 25, 2012 by Allahpundit

“Atheists, non-theists, secularists and others who say they believe in reason, not God, gathered Saturday on the Mall for the first Reason Rally, where they pledged to stand up for their beliefs in a society that they say sometimes views them with skepticism and distrust…

“Organizers said the aim of the rally was twofold: to unite individuals with similar beliefs and to show the American public that the number of people who don’t believe in God is large and growing.

“‘We have the numbers to be taken seriously,’ said Paul Fidalgo, spokesman for the Center for Inquiry, which promotes scientific method and reasoning and was one of the organizations sponsoring the rally. ‘We’re not just a tiny fringe group.’

“According to the American Religious Identification Survey in 2008, the number of people who claim no specific religious belief was 34 million, 15 percent of the U.S. adult population.”

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“Many people do not understand that it is possible to lead a meaningful, happy life as a heathen, but we maintain that it is and can point to any number of atheist philosophers and thinkers who have explained why this is so. But such meaning and contentment does not inevitably follow from becoming a heathen. Ours is a universe without guarantees of redemption or salvation and sometimes people have terrible lives or do terrible things and thrive. On such occasions, we have no consolation. That is the dark side of accepting the truth, and we are prepared to acknowledge it. We are heathens because we value living in the truth. But that does not mean that we pretend that always makes life easy or us happy. If the evidence were to show that religious people are happier and healthier than us, we would not see that as any reason to give up our convictions…

“We believe in not being tone-deaf to religion and to understand it in the most charitable way possible. So we support religions when they work to promote values we share, including those of social justice and compassion. We are respectful and sympathetic to the religious when they arrive at their different conclusions on the basis of the same commitment to sincere, rational, undogmatic inquiry as us, without in any way denying that we believe them to be false and misguided. We are also sympathetic to religion when its effects are more benign than malign. We appreciate that commitment to truth is but one value and that a commitment to compassion and kindness to others is also of supreme importance. We are not prepared to insist that it is indubitably better to live guided by such values allied with false beliefs than it is to live without such values but also without false belief.

“Our willingness to accept what is good in religion is balanced by an equally honest commitment to be critical of it when necessary. We object when religion invokes mystery to avoid difficult questions or to obfuscate when clarity is needed. We do not like the way in which “people of faith” tend to huddle together in an unprincipled coalition of self-interest, even when that means liberals getting into bed with homophobes and misogynists. We think it is disingenuous for religious people to talk about the reasonableness of their beliefs and the importance of values and practice, while drawing a veil over their embrace of superstitious beliefs. In these and other areas, we assert the right and need to make civil but acute criticisms.”

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“Then Dawkins got to the part where he calls on the crowd not only to challenge religious people but to ‘ridicule and show contempt’ for their doctrines and sacraments, including the Eucharist, which Catholics believe becomes the body of Christ during Mass.

“That was a step further than Craig Lowery, a Dawkins fan, said he’s willing to go. Lowery, of Washington, D.C., applauded but admitted he’s not a confrontational atheist, saying:

“‘I might make fun of them in my head but I wouldn’t say it. Most people, religious or otherwise, are good people.’”

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Some of you may have read this story before…

… seems like the proper time to share it with those that have not.

A cold March wind danced around the dead of night in Dallas as the doctor walked into the small hospital room of Diana Blessing.

She was still groggy from surgery.

Her husband, David, held her hand as they braced themselves for the latest news.

That afternoon of March 10, 1991, complications had forced Diana, only 24-weeks pregnant, to undergo an emergency Cesarean to deliver couple’s new daughter, Dana Lu Blessing.

At 12 inches long and weighing only one pound nine ounces, they already knew she was perilously premature.

Still, the doctor’s soft words dropped like bombs.

‘I don’t think she’s going to make it,’ he said, as kindly as he could.

‘There’s only a 10-percent chance she will live through the night, and even then, if by some slim chance she does make it, her future could be a very cruel one’

Numb with disbelief, David and Diana listened as the doctor described the devastating problems Dana would likely face if she survived.

She would never walk, she would never talk, she would probably be blind, and she would certainly be prone to other catastrophic conditions from cerebral palsy to complete mental retardation, and on and on.

‘No! No!’ was all Diana could say.

She and David, with their 5-year-old son Dustin, had long dreamed of the day they would have a daughter to become a family of four.

Now, within a matter of hours, that dream was slipping away.

But as those first days passed, a new agony set in for David and Diana. Because Dana ‘s underdeveloped nervous system was essentially ‘raw’, the lightest kiss or caress only intensified her discomfort, so they couldn’t even cradle their tiny baby girl against their chests to offer the strength of their love.
All they could do, as Dana struggled alone beneath the ultraviolet light in the tangle of tubes and wires, was to pray that God would stay close to their precious little girl.

There was never a moment when Dana suddenly grew stronger .

But as the weeks went by, she did slowly gain an ounce of weight here and an ounce of strength there .

At last, when Dana turned two months old. Her parents were able to hold her in their arms for the very first time.

And two months later, though doctors continued to gently but grimly warn that her chances of surviving, much less living any kind of normal life, were next to zero, Dana went home from the hospital, just as her mother had predicted.

Five years later, when Dana was a petite but feisty young girl with glittering gray eyes and an unquenchable zest for life.

She showed no signs whatsoever of any mental or physical impairment. Simply, she was everything a little girl can be and more. But that happy ending is far from the end of her story.

One blistering afternoon in the summer of 1996 near her home in Irving , Texas , Dana was sitting in her mother’s lap in the bleachers of a local ball park where her brother Dustin’s baseball team was practicing..

As always, Dana was chattering nonstop with her mother and several other adults sitting nearby, when she suddenly fell silent. Hugging her arms across her chest, little Dana asked, ‘Do you smell that?’

Smelling the air and detecting the approach of a thunderstorm, Diana replied, ‘Yes, it smells like rain.’

Dana closed her eyes and again asked, ‘Do you smell that?’

Once again, her mother replied, ‘Yes, I think we’re about to get wet. It smells like rain.’

Still caught in the moment, Dana shook her head, patted her thin shoulders with her small hands and loudly announced,
‘No, it smells like Him .

It smells like God when you lay your head on His chest.’

Tears blurred Diana’s eyes as Dana happily hopped down to play with the other children.

Before the rains came, her daughter’s words confirmed what Diana and all the members of the extended Blessing family had known, at least in their hearts, all along.

During those long days and nights of her first two months of her life, when her nerves were too sensitive for them to touch her, God was holding Dana on His chest and it is His loving scent that she remembers so well .

I was raised a Roman Catholic…

… but never truly felt his Grace and Presence when my son was born 5 1/2 weeks early.

I never left his side for the first 48 hours…

… Showering him with my Love and Prayers.

God answered them…

… and now Little 7% will be turning 10 in July.

:)

Hang in there God…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on March 25, 2012 at 9:51 PM

cynccook on March 25, 2012 at 9:45 PM

LOL!! Hope not!

Cindy Munford on March 25, 2012 at 9:53 PM

I’m pretty sure that he sees a therapist.

predator on March 25, 2012 at 9:37 PM

He needs a new one. Doesn’t seem to be helping.

bazil9 on March 25, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Hm… What I don’t understand is how both sides have absolute ‘faith’ in reason. Some Atheists seem to believe any proof of evolution disproves the idea of a loving God. (it doesn’t) Some Christians seem to believe it is possible to prove to Atheists that a loving God exists, using only oral arguments. (that doesn’t necessarily work)

Nephew Sam on March 25, 2012 at 9:25 PM

I never could understand why anyone from either side of the evolution/creation argument gets upset. I believe in God and can still believe in evolution at the same time, and here’s why:

God created the heavens and earth and therefore created the laws of nature along with them. Since God created the laws of nature it stands to reason God knows the laws of nature and the best way to work within the laws better than anyone! Also, who is to say how long a day is where God exists? A day where God exists could be millions of years in our plane of existence here on earth, so 7 days where God exists could have been 7 million years here in our plane of existence on earth.

Just my 2 pennies…

Liberty or Death on March 25, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Tim Tebow takes jets to super bowl victory
Cindy Mumford

I really like the statement

angrymike on March 25, 2012 at 9:56 PM

An atheist telling me I am a fool to believe in God because they can’t see Him, is like a blind man telling me there is no such thing as blue simply because he can’t see it.

Just because they can’t see what is so obviously there, why do they try so hard to convince us that what we see, what we hear, what we feel, what we experience is not real. Sad really.

odannyboy on March 25, 2012 at 9:56 PM

I don’t believe in Unicorns. ….
mtucker5695 on March 25, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Well, that is just ignorant.
500 Volt owners can’t be wrong.

Otherwise how would theypower their GM Volts when they finally manage to outlaw gasoline and electrical generation plants? Unicorn poop is their only hope for the ability to travel.

LegendHasIt on March 25, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Seven Percent Solution on March 25, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Lovely story my friend. There are miracles. I don’t care what people say.

predator on March 25, 2012 at 9:59 PM

We are respectful and sympathetic to the religious when they arrive at their different conclusions on the basis of the same commitment to sincere, rational, undogmatic inquiry as us, without in any way denying that we believe them to be false and misguided.

B.S.

Tell that to the dude who spent twenty years trying to get a cross removed from a war memorial on Mount Soledad in San Diego. (And whose fight is still being continued even after his death.) Or the legions of atheists who have sued over and over again with the ACLU’s help to destroy religious expression freedoms.

There are many adjectives I would ascribe to atheists when it comes to their activities in the political arena as a bloc. “Respectful” and “sympathetic” sure as hell ain’t among them.

Hawkins1701 on March 25, 2012 at 9:59 PM

BTW, the link I’d provided vvvvv shows Dawkins in all his glorious stupidity.
pambi on March 25, 2012 at 9:19 PM

pambi on March 25, 2012 at 10:01 PM

“We believe in not being tone-deaf to religion and to understand it in the most charitable way possible. So we support religions when they work to promote values we share, including those of social justice and compassion. We are respectful and sympathetic to the religious when they arrive at their different conclusions on the basis of the same commitment to sincere, rational, undogmatic inquiry as us, without in any way denying that we believe them to be false and misguided. We are also sympathetic to religion when its effects are more benign than malign. We appreciate that commitment to truth is but one value and that a commitment to compassion and kindness to others is also of supreme importance. We are not prepared to insist that it is indubitably better to live guided by such values allied with false beliefs than it is to live without such values but also without false belief.

“Our willingness to accept what is good in religion is balanced by an equally honest commitment to be critical of it when necessary. We object when religion invokes mystery to avoid difficult questions or to obfuscate when clarity is needed. We do not like the way in which “people of faith” tend to huddle together in an unprincipled coalition of self-interest, even when that means liberals getting into bed with homophobes and misogynists. We think it is disingenuous for religious people to talk about the reasonableness of their beliefs and the importance of values and practice, while drawing a veil over their embrace of superstitious beliefs. In these and other areas, we assert the right and need to make civil but acute criticisms.”

PREACH! One of the most briliant things I’ve read in a while. And really, how can you argue with it.

libfreeordie on March 25, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Cool….
Thanks.

Electrongod on March 25, 2012 at 9:50 PM

You’re welcome. They’ve another one that I’m saving for a certain holiday in May.

predator on March 25, 2012 at 10:02 PM

How can anyone expect people to respect a belief that a cracker and some wine actually becomes the blood and body of a stock mythical character? The odd thing to me is that it even needs to be suggested to ridicule such nonsense. It ought to go without saying.

Dan_Yul on March 25, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Why ridicule what you cannot explain or believe?

Wouldn’t curiosity and wonder be more sensible?

That two sets of unrelated DNA can fuse to create a new being, whether a dragonfly or human, is as bizarre and unbelievable as concept of the transubtantiation. Which was clearly meant metaphorically, not literally. Jesus didn’t meant that Pharisees were literally whitewashed tombs, either. He was a subtle, quip-making and wry thinker.

“This is (like) my body and this is (like) my blood”. Only the painfully prosaic need the “like” spelled out.

Although people who have taken poetry and simile and metaphor literally have done a lot of harm by trying to enforce their dogmas in the past, those days are over, except with Islam.

But you don’t hear or see any of these folks, or yourself, mocking Islam’s tenets, Koranic imagery or Mohammedan preachings.

Because: A) people are two lazy to read the damned Koran; B) Muslims tend to kill people who mock their “faith”; and C) it is considered multiculturally insensitive to make fun of “the rituals of downtrodden minorities”

A faith still terrorizing for their tenets deserves ridicule.

And only Islam fits that bill.

Mock Mohammad and enjoy the response.

Obama and U.S. generals and Secretaries of State and U.N. and Congress will condemn you.

profitsbeard on March 25, 2012 at 10:02 PM

That doesn’t mean they are Atheists, it simply means there is no specific belief.. Meaning, once I was Catholic, I no longer self-identify as such. I have a deep and abiding faith in God, I just am not a fan of organized religion.

herm2416 on March 25, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Ditto . Could have wrote that myself.

CW on March 25, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Any word on the attendance? I bet CBS will report 250,000. ;-)

TheLoudTalker on March 25, 2012 at 10:04 PM

For evidence of God, one need only look at ones hands. Have Dawkins or any other non believer explain the evolutionary path to the opposing thumb. What? How many other primates have the ability? Wait for it….None.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on March 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM

“According to the American Religious Identification Survey in 2008, the number of people who claim no specific religious belief was 34 million, 15 percent of the U.S. adult population.”

I know longer belong to any one denomination. I just personally don’t care for organized anything. I do see value in each Christian denomination though. I find it tiresome of the infighting between the Christian churches. We are right-we are the one true religion- and on and on. A Evangelical family member of mine goes on and on about Catholics. I don’t always agree with them but if people find faith and comfort in their church…all that matters. Not for me to analyze.

My relationship with the Lord and what he has done for me and how he touches my life in unexplainable. I’m sorry some don’t understand that or spend a great amount of time pushing it away.
I have needed him through the good and the bad-He has never left me.

bazil9 on March 25, 2012 at 10:06 PM

their embrace of superstitious beliefs. In these and other areas, we assert the right and need to make civil but acute criticisms.”

PREACH! One of the most briliant things I’ve read in a while. And really, how can you argue with it.

libfreeordie on March 25, 2012 at 10:02 PM

You really don’t get it do you?

CW on March 25, 2012 at 10:06 PM

God created the heavens and earth and therefore created the laws of nature along with them. Since God created the laws of nature it stands to reason God knows the laws of nature and the best way to work within the laws better than anyone! Also, who is to say how long a day is where God exists? A day where God exists could be millions of years in our plane of existence here on earth, so 7 days where God exists could have been 7 million years here in our plane of existence on earth.

Just my 2 pennies…

Liberty or Death on March 25, 2012 at 9:56 PM

The evolution issue doesn’t have anything to do with a rational approach like the one you, and many other sensible Christians take. It was always about religious dogma and the relationship between dogma and the justification of political power for religious institutions in Western societies. The Church needed to be infallible, and therefore the word of God had to be taken as literally written. Thinking about, expounding upon and even interpreting scripture was only for the religious elite (and the elite in general, why do you think so many nobles sons became priests?). But amongst “the commoners” the move towards interpretation and critical thought could very easily lead to critical thought about the state. Especially in nations, Italy and Spain being the best examples, when the Church and state were inseperable.

Considering that legacy, we have to wonder about American theists who attempt to keep evolution out of the public schools. What is their political investment in a rigid dogma around the Bible, when they should be making a spiritual investment in their own relationship with Christ.

libfreeordie on March 25, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Tim Tebow takes jets to super bowl victory
Cindy Mumford
I really like the statement

angrymike on March 25, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Me too! Except I gotta root for a Yankee team! Lord help me. lol

bazil9 on March 25, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Tim Tebow takes jets to super bowl victory
Cindy Mumford

Personally, I’m holding out for

Tim Tebow leads NY Jets to first undefeated season since the 1972 Miami Dolphins. One-by-one, each member of the team decides to give up his lucrative football career and becomes a Christian missionary in a third world country.

My collie says:

If you’re going to dream, dream BIG.

CyberCipher on March 25, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Norman Greenbaum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiJOguO9A5o

lynncgb on March 25, 2012 at 10:09 PM

PREACH! One of the most briliant things I’ve read in a while. And really, how can you argue with it.

libfreeordie on March 25, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Alright. Show me the “civil but acute criticisms.” 99% of this garbage is self-aggrandizing scorn and derision.

Good Solid B-Plus on March 25, 2012 at 10:10 PM

PREACH! One of the most briliant things I’ve read in a while. And really, how can you argue with it.

libfreeordie on March 25, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Lets examine…

“We believe in not being tone-deaf to religion and to understand it in the most charitable way possible. So we support religions when they work to promote values we share, including those of social justice and compassion…

And then the contradiction…

We think it is disingenuous for religious people to talk about the reasonableness of their beliefs and the importance of values and practice, while drawing a veil over their embrace of superstitious beliefs. In these and other areas, we assert the right and need to make civil but acute criticisms.”

They believe…
We believe…

Freedom of Religion..

What else is there to say….

Electrongod on March 25, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Bazil9
GRRRRRRR, I’m a Cleveland Indian fan for life, probably why I’m a Jets fan. Lmao!

angrymike on March 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Blind

MontanaMmmm on March 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM

The evolution issue doesn’t have anything to do with a rational approach like the one you, and many other sensible Christians take.

their embrace of superstitious beliefs. In these and other areas, we assert the right and need to make civil but acute criticisms.”

PREACH! One of the most briliant things I’ve read in a while. And really, how can you argue with it.

libfreeordie on March 25, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Sensible or supersticious. Your little head is spinning.

Brilliant!!! /

CW on March 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Darn it! Autorefresh just wiped out another post! Right in the middle of what I was typing, the page went and autorefreshed, wiping out a good two paragraphs of what had typed!

Maybe I’ll try later, I’m tired of having to re-create thoughts after the blog has decided to reload my page for em.

AZfederalist on March 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM

PREACH! One of the most briliant things I’ve read in a while. And really, how can you argue with it.

libfreeordie on March 25, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Because it’s a total lie on your part, as we see from your hatemongering and attacks on religious belief on this website.

You are bigots. You can spin this any way that you want, but the simple fact is that you and your Barack Obama Party are antireligious hatemongering bigots who loathe the church and anything else that would dare criticize you.

northdallasthirty on March 25, 2012 at 10:13 PM

lynncgb on March 25, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Excellent. Well done. Hadn’t heard that in years.

predator on March 25, 2012 at 10:14 PM

PREACH! One of the most briliant things I’ve read in a while. And really, how can you argue with it.

libfreeordie on March 25, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Because we see the reality of what it endorses and supports.

Then Dawkins got to the part where he calls on the crowd not only to challenge religious people but to ‘ridicule and show contempt’ for their doctrines and sacraments

Antireligious bigots. That’s all you and your fellow Obama supporters are.

northdallasthirty on March 25, 2012 at 10:15 PM

So when an Atheist woman has sex…does she holler, “Oh Darwin!”???

lovingmyUSA on March 25, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Well…..

darwin-t on March 25, 2012 at 8:19 PM

…thanks alot you wiener! I just got back from a 3 hour trip taking a couple kids back to school…thought I’d have dinner while I catch up on the threads. I got potato salad on the monitor! No! Not iced tea, pop or coffee…POTATO SALAD!

KOOLAID2 on March 25, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Meanwhile, we should point out that antireligious bigots like libfreeordie are actually NOT scientific in their criticisms.

For example, they claim that evolution disproves the existence of God. That is hardly scientific, but they make the claim and demand that it be taught in public schools as scientific fact that God does not exist.

The hypocrisy comes from the fact that never once will you see the screaming children like libfreeordie “ridicule and show contempt” for Islam. Ineed, libfreeordie has screamed here that our government should make decisions based on whether or not it will offend or upset followers of Islam.

They are simply bigots. That’s all Obama supporters are, pure bigots.

northdallasthirty on March 25, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Lovely story my friend. There are miracles. I don’t care what people say.

predator on March 25, 2012 at 9:59 PM

:)

Seven Percent Solution on March 25, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Some here express puzzlement at atheist hostility to fundamentalist religion. I do not understand that puzzlement.

Think of it this way: Atheists do not understand the Christian God is the real God. So to an atheist there is no fundamental difference between the beliefs in the Muslim and the Christian God.

If you do not fear fundamentalists who follow Allah, you are a fool.

Now before the Christian fundamentalists here start howling about the Christian God and the Muslim God not being the same, I already know that. Like, duh.

But what the atheists see is “fundamentalist” and “believe in God” and “faith” and certain vicious passages toward people who engage in practices the atheists see as harmless (such as homosexuality) in the holy books of both religions. And they see terrible things done in the name of both religions.

If I did not believe in God, and if did not understand the importance of Christianity in holding back the Dark, and if I did not understand how deeply evil and much more incredibly dangerous the generally atheistic collectivists are, the Christian fundamentalists and their penchant for biblical literalism would scare the Hell out of me, too.

What I am getting at is that the problem with the atheists who think they are supporting “reason” is not that they fear things they do not understand. The problem with those atheists is that they do not understand what they should fear.

fadetogray on March 25, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Bazil9
GRRRRRRR, I’m a Cleveland Indian fan for life, probably why I’m a Jets fan. Lmao!

angrymike on March 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM

That just reminded me of the Drew Carey Show.

I’m half breed. Cali and the South. I have to support a NY team? get outta here. I am a big U of F fan…love me some Tebow. For him I will make an exception.

bazil9 on March 25, 2012 at 10:22 PM

The militant atheist’s theme song.

profitsbeard on March 25, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Electrongod on March 25, 2012 at 8:43 PM

or…

An atheist is like a penis.

It’s ok to be one.

It’s okay to swell up with pride.

But please get out of our faces.

One woman, a Reason Rally attendee, approached a group of counterprotesters with a sign on which she’d written, So many Christians, so few lions.”

RightKlik on March 25, 2012 at 10:22 PM

POTATO SALAD!

KOOLAID2 on March 25, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Is that still legal???
For consumption that is…

Electrongod on March 25, 2012 at 10:22 PM

KOOLAID2
at least it wasn’t the keyboard, hehe!

angrymike on March 25, 2012 at 10:22 PM

“Then Dawkins got to the part where he calls on the crowd not only to challenge religious people but to ‘ridicule and show contempt’ for their doctrines and sacraments, including the Eucharist, which Catholics believe becomes the body of Christ during Mass.

And atheists wonder why the majority of the population view them on the same trust level with pedophiles. As Bill Engvall would say… Atheists, here’s your sign…

SWalker on March 25, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Seven Percent Solution on March 25, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Heart warming 7.

How I feel about my new nephew and I am just the aunt!

bazil9 on March 25, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Seven Percent Solution on March 25, 2012 at 9:51 PM

I have read the story about Dana, but it’s an equally beautiful story about your son, Little 7%.

Thank you for sharing it.

PatriotGal2257 on March 25, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Blind

MontanaMmmm on March 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Thanks..
Touching..

Electrongod on March 25, 2012 at 10:24 PM

:)

Seven Percent Solution on March 25, 2012 at 10:20 PM

The word epiphany comes to mind. My sister, who is conservative, but was always more of a pro-choice type on abortion had one about a year ago or a little longer. I’ve told this story once before, but here goes again:

Her step daughter became pregnant with twins. An early sonogram was done. At that time the babies were not much bigger than the size of a couple of kernels of rice.

As my sister viewed the screen she noticed that each little being had a little, rhythmic flicker of light emanating from them. She leaned closer to be sure she was really seeing them, then asked the doctor, “What are those little flickers of light I see.”

The doc said, “That’s there heartbeats.”

Changed her forever.

predator on March 25, 2012 at 10:26 PM

there=their

predator on March 25, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Bazil9
I live near Cleveland, the Indians is the only team I support. Been a jets fan since 1982 .

angrymike on March 25, 2012 at 10:26 PM

God created the heavens and earth and therefore created the laws of nature along with them. Since God created the laws of nature it stands to reason God knows the laws of nature and the best way to work within the laws better than anyone! Also, who is to say how long a day is where God exists? A day where God exists could be millions of years in our plane of existence here on earth, so 7 days where God exists could have been 7 million years here in our plane of existence on earth.

Just my 2 pennies…

Liberty or Death on March 25, 2012 at 9:56 PM

That’s pretty much what I think.

Lightswitch on March 25, 2012 at 10:27 PM

I know longer belong to any one denomination. I just personally don’t care for organized anything. I do see value in each Christian denomination though. I find it tiresome of the infighting between the Christian churches. We are right-we are the one true religion- and on and on. A Evangelical family member of mine goes on and on about Catholics. I don’t always agree with them but if people find faith and comfort in their church…all that matters. Not for me to analyze.

My relationship with the Lord and what he has done for me and how he touches my life in unexplainable. I’m sorry some don’t understand that or spend a great amount of time pushing it away.
I have needed him through the good and the bad-He has never left me.

bazil9 on March 25, 2012 at 10:06 PM

I’m kinda in that same boat. My version of the Almighty is a stripped down model…a Great Spirit without the complicating factors. Don’t care to belong to an organized denomination, but they serve most people well, so I’m fine with that. As a side note, both my kids and all my grandchildren are happy with their chosen conventional denominations….my wife and I have never tried to influence them in any way in that regard. In my earlier years, I tried hard to fit the mold but just couldn’t make it work. So, I have my own private relationship with a divine being I can’t even describe and it seems adequate. At least here.:)

a capella on March 25, 2012 at 10:30 PM

“Organizers said the aim of the rally was twofold: to unite individuals with similar beliefs and join the cult and to show the American public that the number of people who don’t believe in God is large and growing about the same as it has always been and comprised of really really needy people.

Tim Zank on March 25, 2012 at 10:31 PM

More music is needed here.

Some great images in this vid.

predator on March 25, 2012 at 10:31 PM

OK, so they are 15%. That proves what, exactly? That they should overrule the other 85%?

MikeA on March 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM

It Works gays and other small, but vocal groups.

c3ichief on March 25, 2012 at 10:32 PM

OK, so they are 15%. That proves what, exactly? That they should overrule the other 85%?

MikeA on March 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM

It works for Gays and other small, but vocal groups.

c3ichief on March 25, 2012 at 10:34 PM

I think at the end of life both camps will be correct. If you truly believed there was no God then there will be none for you. On the other hand, if you believe Jesus died for your sins then he will be there as you begin a new episode of your sentience. I can’t figure out why my belief in God seems to threaten them so badly. It’s almost like they don’t really trust their own judgement and thus they have to tear me down to their level.

Metanis on March 25, 2012 at 10:37 PM

OK, so they are 15%. That proves what, exactly? That they should overrule the other 85%?

MikeA on March 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM

It is a growth. One that needs to be stopped. Not by destroying them, but by convincing them. Destroy the belief, not the person. Lest they leave no choice.

predator on March 25, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Bazil9
One thread or the other!

angrymike on March 25, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Some great images in this vid.

predator on March 25, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Powerful….

Electrongod on March 25, 2012 at 10:39 PM

a capella on March 25, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Thank you for your honest reply. I undertstand where your coming from.

I had a Lutheran side of the family and a Greek Orthodox side. Was christened by both. I have been to many denominational churches over the years. I still celebrate some Greek Orthodox traditions but just am happy where I am.

I am gay, so feeling welcome in church hasn’t been easy. Again, I am comfortable where I am and my relationship with the Lord.

So, I have my own private relationship with a divine being I can’t even describe and it seems adequate. At least here.:)

To me that is what it is all about. I know many people that attend church regularly but really don’t have a relationship.

bazil9 on March 25, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Bazil9
One thread or the other!

angrymike on March 25, 2012 at 10:39 PM

LOL, keeping up with you old man.

bazil9 on March 25, 2012 at 10:42 PM

I’ve been reading Hot Ait for a couple of years now, and before the open regs there were quite a few times where I would get done, and think to myself that I agreed with a majority of the postings, and boy…these people are right!. Most of the people posting were agreeing on a topic, and yet, those occasions were rare.
I’m looking at all of these! Today…here! 99.9%!…and I’m humbled at what I see posted…and so very glad! Hot Air has not gone to he11, because of the open regs! You good folks are still here!!!!!
(excuse me…) DAMN! I’m GLAD!

KOOLAID2 on March 25, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Another “LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, I’M DIFFERENT, THEREFORE I AM SOMEBODY! LOOOOOOOOK AT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!”

Whatever. Adopting a belief system in a pathetic attempt to appear interesting, doesn’t do it on its own.

And that’s the vast majority of these clowns right there.

OWS is exactly the same. Losers.

NoDonkey on March 25, 2012 at 10:43 PM

I can’t figure out why my belief in God seems to threaten them so badly. It’s almost like they don’t really trust their own judgement and thus they have to tear me down to their level.

Metanis on March 25, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Yeah, that’s the ugly part. I don’t understand why spiritual issues make them crazy. If I don’t agree with someone on religious beliefs, I’m happy to live and let live….well, I have a little problem with radical Islamists, but other than that…….

a capella on March 25, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Bazil9
I live near Cleveland, the Indians is the only team I support. Been a jets fan since 1982 .

angrymike on March 25, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Padre fan…I don’t care for the NFL. Love college ball.
Love hockey too. Lightning fan.

Ohio I can deal with. No Yankee teams! lol ;)

bazil9 on March 25, 2012 at 10:45 PM

.well, I have a little problem with radical Islamists, but other than that…….

a capella on March 25, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Well said Comrade Infidel…

/ <- is this really necessary?

Electrongod on March 25, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Christians don’t worry. Your Westboro Baptist buddies were there to champion your cause and express the opinions you are unwilling to admit you share.

Dan_Yul on March 25, 2012 at 10:47 PM

“There but for the grace of God, go I.”
-John Bradford

I’ve had too many occasions where only divine providence or absurd luck saved my hide, and I don’t believe in luck.

I’m not Christian, but if you want to see a god’s wonders, step outside into a torrential thunderstorm in the middle of the Great Plains. I understand the scientific explanation of how it’s created, but the raw, visceral energy that’s conducted through my body is…I have no words to describe it. The howls of the wind, the sting of the rain, the way the hairs on my arms stand on end when the lightning gets too close…to deny a divine hand in such a wondrous creation is pure blasphemy.

We are something more than bags of meat, going through the animalistic ritual of breeding and dying. Otherwise, we’d still be living in caves in Europe. We have a purpose in this vast, dark universe, and it’s not just our privilege, but our gods-given duty to see everything left for us.

Asurea on March 25, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Considering that legacy, we have to wonder about American theists who attempt to keep evolution out of the public schools. What is their political investment in a rigid dogma around the Bible, when they should be making a spiritual investment in their own relationship with Christ.

libfreeordie on March 25, 2012 at 10:07 PM

That’s why I stated:

I never could understand why anyone from either side of the evolution/creation argument gets upset. I believe in God and can still believe in evolution at the same time…

My belief and faith in God is not dependant on what others (like athiest) say, faith and belief are something you have or you don’t. As for politics, well I think separation of church and state is a good idea or you end up with a goverment like Iran. But the otherside of that coin is everyone should be free to practice their religion as is our right as American citizens, yet from Dawkins statement:

“Then Dawkins got to the part where he calls on the crowd not only to challenge religious people but to ‘ridicule and show contempt’ for their doctrines and sacraments, including the Eucharist, which Catholics believe becomes the body of Christ during Mass.

It sounds to me like Dawkins and his followers are attempting to infringe on religious freedom and that is far from just trying to “draw attention” to athiesm as he claims and that type of attitude and action can just as easily lead to living under a government like Iran where you can only believe in Islam or you die!

Like the saying goes “Live and let live” in other words you believe in what you want and I will believe in what I want…very simple but it seems the athiests in the last 10 years don’t want to live and let live…

Liberty or Death on March 25, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Hey, cynccook, I have a present for you.

ExpressoBold on March 25, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Yeah, that’s the ugly part. I don’t understand why spiritual issues make them crazy. If I don’t agree with someone on religious beliefs, I’m happy to live and let live….well, I have a little problem with radical Islamists, but other than that…….

a capella on March 25, 2012 at 10:44 PM

A condition Richard Dawkin and his pathetic ilk will be more than pleased to mock and ridicule you over.

SWalker on March 25, 2012 at 10:49 PM

to show the American public that the number of people who don’t believe in God is large and growing.

how sad….truly…

cmsinaz on March 25, 2012 at 10:49 PM

I’m happy to live and let live….well, I have a little problem with radical Islamists, but other than that…….

a capella on March 25, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Ditto’s again. I have a little problem cuz they would love to hang me or stone me. Among other things.

bazil9 on March 25, 2012 at 10:49 PM

I am laughing so hard.

bazil9 on March 25, 2012 at 8:43 PM

I was told that atheists, in the throes of passion, call out;

Oh (nothing!) Oh (nothing!)

massrighty on March 25, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Dan_Yul on March 25, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Not our buddies fool. Eff off.

bazil9 on March 25, 2012 at 10:51 PM

transubtantiation. Which was clearly meant metaphorically, not literally. Jesus didn’t meant that Pharisees were literally whitewashed tombs, either. He was a subtle, quip-making and wry thinker.

“This is (like) my body and this is (like) my blood”. Only the painfully prosaic need the “like” spelled out.

Which theologians do you cite for this opinion? Do any of them rise to the calibre of Aquinas or Augustine? I invite you to re-read John chapter 6. And also all of the accounts of the Last Supper. If you question the translation you can read the Greek and Latin along with the English at NewAdvent. I’m pretty sure none of them indicate “like”. Of course perhaps I’m too prosaic.

Your comment really doesn’t make sense. If you are a Christian then you should agree that Our Lord is eternally offering His perfect sacrifice to Our Father in heaven. But what sacrifice is that? Bread and wine? Out of the question! All the prefigurations in the OT are perfected in Christ. When He institutes the Holy Eucharist, could it be done with mere bread and wine? If the holocausts in the OT were insufficient for salvation, certainly bread and wine are not only insufficient but also less perfect than the OT sacrifices. Christ would not institute a practice less perfect than what the Jews already had, it must have been perfected with His own body and blood. The Eucharist is fully the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ. I believe you and everyone can be convinced of this is they honestly spend one hour in adoration before our Eucharistic Lord.

Goldenavatar on March 25, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Christians don’t worry. Your Westboro Baptist buddies were there to champion your cause and express the opinions you are unwilling to admit you share.

Dan_Yul on March 25, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Christians……
Your Westboro….

It’s almost like you are linking Westboro to Christians…

Share????

Still a choice…I hope..

Electrongod on March 25, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Christians don’t worry. Your Westboro Baptist buddies were there to champion your cause and express the opinions you are unwilling to admit you share.

Dan_Yul on March 25, 2012 at 10:47 PM

How do you manage to see to type, with your head so arrogantly lodged in your a$$?

SWalker on March 25, 2012 at 10:52 PM

It’s almost like they don’t really trust their own judgement and thus they have to tear me down to their level.

Metanis on March 25, 2012 at 10:37 PM

THIS!

cmsinaz on March 25, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Ditto’s again. I have a little problem cuz they would love to hang me or stone me. Among other things.

bazil9 on March 25, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Funny, I’d rather either hang with you, or get stoned with you.

I’m rather more accepting, I guess…

And, *(just as I’m about to sign off, and turn in for the night,)

Hiya, baz!

massrighty on March 25, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Looks like I will be rooting for the Jets and the Broncos this next season.
Lifelong Cowboy fan, that is, until about three years ago.
They lost me.
Jerry Jones needs to go away.

Love Manning, so I will root for Denver.
Tebow has given more excitement to the game.

carbon_footprint on March 25, 2012 at 10:53 PM

But you don’t hear or see any of these folks, or yourself, mocking Islam’s tenets, Koranic imagery or Mohammedan preachings.

profitsbeard on March 25, 2012 at 10:02 PM

I’ve contributed artwork to Everybody Draw Mohammed day since it started. What about you?

Dan_Yul on March 25, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Lori Aratani,
Never have I looked at this segment of the US population as fringe or skepticism or distrust.
Julian Baggini
Atheist = Heathen, completely silly to me. Reminds me of the without labels concept.
Heathens = Naturalist, If your trying to change the name at this point, go with Naturalist.
Truth, because Atheist don’t seek truth. Only folks who think they may be wrong can seek truth.
Heathens have no bible.
Heathens believe in reason with out logic.
Convinced not dogmatic. Splitting hairs and parsing here at best.
Illusions, poor health would not be reason to lose conviction.
Secularists, nice to know you aren’t looking to purge folks who don’t share your views, this is a good thing.
Heathens can be religious.
Religion is a Heathens friend.
Critical of Religion and Athiests when it serves our purpose.
This manifesto is a political document. Very wishy washy with very blurred edges. We have no know core beliefs because they are subject to change i.e. evolve. Interesting. Vague.
Cathy Lynn Grossman
The picture used of the young lady with the sign is what I find troubling. Gee why do Atheists find a bad view formed of their beleif system. I will have to say it is for the same or similar reason other faiths have. Dogma. The sign says it all.
Video 1 The mask slips.

Video 2 A little further.

Video 3 Mask off.

Video 4 Never had mask, just an agenda.

Allah, I hope that you are as disappointed with this as I am. This was nothing more then and is nothing more then a political leftist agenda cloaked in Atheism clothes. It is mush the same as the climate change group. It is a fraud and has done great damage to the truth. There is an old saying that goes something like this. ” The Church is full of hypocrites.” and this ” The church is full of sinners, it is not full of hypocrites, but it is not empty of them either. ” The hypocrites were not only in church today. They were outdoors in a drizzling rain. My take. My question which was not thoroughly addressed is where do Atheists glean their moral compass. Ethics and morals are very different indeed.

Bmore on March 25, 2012 at 10:54 PM

I’ve contributed artwork to Everybody Draw Mohammed day since it started. What about you?

Dan_Yul on March 25, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Oh,,, Golf clap, golf clap, you’re sooooo special….

SWalker on March 25, 2012 at 10:55 PM

well, I have a little problem with radical Islamists, but other than that…….

a capella on March 25, 2012 at 10:44 PM

They should have a problem with me, for I am the infidel their imam warned about.

predator on March 25, 2012 at 10:55 PM

I’ve contributed artwork to Everybody Draw Mohammed day since it started. What about you?

Dan_Yul on March 25, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Just the finger…

It allows me time for other things….

Electrongod on March 25, 2012 at 10:55 PM

So when an Atheist woman has sex…does she holler, “Oh Darwin!”???

lovingmyUSA on March 25, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Well…..

darwin-t on March 25, 2012 at 8:19 PM

LOL

Axe on March 25, 2012 at 10:55 PM

know=known

Bmore on March 25, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Then Dawkins got to the part where he calls on the crowd not only to challenge religious people but to ‘ridicule and show contempt’ for their doctrines and sacraments, including the Eucharist, which Catholics believe becomes the body of Christ during Mass.

Oh, thank you, Mr. Dawkins.

Sincerely,

A glad Catholic

Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake: Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven.

Dan_Yul on March 25, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Can you explain this?

pannw on March 25, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Funny, I’d rather either hang with you, or get stoned with you.

I’m rather more accepting, I guess…

And, *(just as I’m about to sign off, and turn in for the night,)

Hiya, baz!

massrighty on March 25, 2012 at 10:53 PM

So good to see you. Sweet dreams.

I’d hang with you any day..stoned..been a while but the way things are going..I have the urge. lol thx bud.

bazil9 on March 25, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Many of you lump atheists with Stalin and Hitler, both Catholics in good standing by the way, but you seem to get offended when you are lumped in with Westboro Baptist and they’re nowhere near as bad as Hitler or Stalin. So I take it you understand the concept that not all people with a label are the same.

Dan_Yul on March 25, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Oh,,, Golf clap, golf clap, you’re sooooo special….

SWalker on March 25, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Golf clapping with you. He is special btw…

bazil9 on March 25, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Tim Tebow will get mark Sanchez his Gatorade. Neither of them will see a Super Bowl.

Rusty Allen on March 25, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Hey, cynccook, I have a present for you.

ExpressoBold on March 25, 2012 at 10:48 PM

:-D ?

cynccook on March 25, 2012 at 11:01 PM

lumped in with Westboro Baptist and they’re nowhere near as bad as Hitler or Stalin. So I take it you understand the concept that not all people with a label are the same.

Dan_Yul on March 25, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Good Lord your dumb and already tiresome. You think that little inbred “church” wouldn’t be as bad as hiter or stalin if they had the power. Just shad up.
They are a little radical, inbred, deranged “church”. You think your clever don’t you?

bazil9 on March 25, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Public Service Announcement:..If you get a chance to see the movie Act of Valor please do..You will not regret it..:)

PS:..Now back to your regular program in progress..:)

Dire Straits on March 25, 2012 at 11:03 PM

did someone say weed? cause my ears is ringin’

DHChron on March 25, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Bazil9
1 your only 6 yrs younger
2 any gun is a good gun, as long as your familiar with it
3 there is no cool club, just ppl who think alike
4 ;-)

angrymike on March 25, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Christians don’t worry. Your Westboro Baptist buddies were there to champion your cause and express the opinions you are unwilling to admit you share.

Dan_Yul on March 25, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Wow, very presumptuous of you Dan! First of all I’d bet NO ONE on HA is part of or supports the West Baptist fruitcakes! There are extremists on all sides and the Westboro people are extremists for sure. Secondly, not all of us can just hop on a plane last minute and fly across the country to join a counter-protest to athiests as most of us have responsibilities and jobs we must attend to.

Thirdly, why waste time and money to counter-protest something as absurd as an athiest rally…I mean really…a rally to draw attention to people that believe in nothing…seriously…what the frak is the point? I don’t give a rats azz they don’t believe in God, that’s their perogative and they’re free to do so. More importantly my belief in God is not diminished because athiests don’t, hence the reason why most of us christians don’t feel the need to “champion our cause” by conducting a counter-protest and has nothing to do with “the opinions we are unwilling to admit we share” as you stated because most christians do not share the same opinions of the westboro fruitcakes…making that statement Dan is akin to saying all Italians are in the mafia…which further demonstrates your ignorance.

Liberty or Death on March 25, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Can you explain this?

pannw on March 25, 2012 at 10:57 PM

That’s just lame. No one ever tampered with any of it over the centuries? I have some magic beans for sale.

Dan_Yul on March 25, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Christians don’t worry. Your Westboro Baptist buddies were there to champion your cause and express the opinions you are unwilling to admit you share.

Dan_Yul on March 25, 2012 at 10:47 PM

As a non-believer (more like a “don’t give it much thought”), I can tell you that the buffoons at that rally have no more in common with me than the Westboro twits have with the majority of posters here.

In fact, I feel pretty sure that if I, a member of the military, wanted to round up a group of folks to have a ‘chat’ with the Westboobians the next time they protest at a service member’s funeral, I’d have better luck recruiting here than amongst your ilk.

M240H on March 25, 2012 at 11:07 PM

My question which was not thoroughly addressed is where do Atheists glean their moral compass. Ethics and morals are very different indeed.

Bmore on March 25, 2012 at 10:54 PM

.
I’m afraid that the “moral compass” might be very much like the sentiments expressed by the NBPP spokesperson who said “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth!” Really good fundamental question, though, as Jews and Christians believe that God initiates all contact between God and man. God gave us the ten “words” (commandments). I was thinking the other day that some of our “ethics” were not comprised in the Ten Commandments but we hold to them just as closely. Morality and ethics are an ever-evolving set of questions as we honor and remember the basic fundamentals.

ExpressoBold on March 25, 2012 at 11:07 PM

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