Open thread: Louisiana votes: Update: Santorum closes the deal

posted at 7:30 pm on March 24, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

So is Louisiana a comeback kid moment or another yawn festival briefly interrupting the march to Mr. Inevitable? If the former, Rick Santorum is looking pretty good.

Rick Santorum is looking to Louisiana for a much-needed rebound as Republican voters go to the polls today in the state’s GOP primary.

The former Pennsylvania senator is expected to do well in the contest, after a decisive loss to front-runner Mitt Romney in Illinois on Tuesday.

A win over the former Massachusetts governor would serve as a reminder that Romney still struggles among the GOP’s conservative faithful, especially in the South. Santorum beat Romney in primaries in Alabama and Mississippi this month.

But Romney is outpacing Santorum in the race for critical delegates to the Republican National Convention, and he’s been beating Santorum in big, industrial Midwestern states.

It’s a southern race, and Santorum should do well. If the results from the last few races are any indication, Newt is dropping off the radar and we’ll see a few tests coming up where we can finally answer the question, “Will Santorum win a one on one race against Romney?”

Santorum must feel pretty confident since he already headed to future battlegrounds.

On Saturday, Santorum and Gingrich attended the Pennsylvania Leadership Conference.

Santorum told the crowd he didn’t always understand conservatives’ frustration with Washington but said he comprehends it now. He also said his 2006 reelection loss helped him grasp that frustration.

“In a sense, I didn’t understand,” he said.

Santorum also pointed to his consistent, social conservative stances to separate himself from the GOP presidential field, saying he offers an alternative to President Barack Obama.

This isn’t a “home game” for Romney, so he can play it down. (You know… those southern voters don’t really count, right?) But does Louisiana hold some magic to stop Mitt’s March? Stay tuned.

UPDATE: Larry Sabato bravely calls it for Santorum at 8:53 PM eastern.

My prediction: LA will be called for Santo at 9:01. Wow, really out on a limb, aren’t I? :) #CrystalBall

UPDATE: Less than one minute after the polls close, CNN, NBC and Fox are calling it for Santorum by a large margin across most all demographics except those making more than $200K / yr who went for Mitt. Shocker?


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There’s no “comeback”. Santorum was expected to win Louisiana. It is basically an anti-Mormon vote there and everyone knows it.

This is probably the last contest that Santorum wins.

crosspatch on March 24, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Hey! When did the Romney campaign hire James Carville?

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 25, 2012 at 2:08 AM

Steveangell on March 25, 2012 at 12:06 AM

You are so right! Goldwater passed himself off as a centrist so he lost! Yessir!

Only conservative Republicans Like Eisenhower, Nixon, the Bush’s and Reagan ever win.

I saw President Bush as conservative but not much more than Governor Romney. Probably less so. Much less.

Bush was not big government! Want a run on sentence?

He was a supreme deficit spender to his time, pro amnesty, pro affirmative action, he created thousands of bureaucratic jobs in homeland security and the ‘no child left behind’ program that will never end, he worked for the the repeal of Newt’s ‘contract with America’ in the $300 Billion highway pork party by Hastert, then we got to the bailouts.

Noooo not a liberal or anything. Nooooo.

Mitt is further right than Bush.

IlikedAUH2O on March 25, 2012 at 2:09 AM

Fiscal conservatives who don’t grasp this are, to put it charitably, naive twits. They see the expanding welfare state pop up all around them while churches close down and charities shutter their doors, and wonder why when election day comes, candidates supporting their economic agenda go down in flames.

BKennedy on March 24, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Personally, I prefer the abbreviated term: nitwits (Sounds like Mittwits, but that’s just a fringe benefit)

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 25, 2012 at 2:10 AM

Obama leads Romney 60 percent to 36 in Romneys home State.

The people that know him best hate him.

You Mittbots still think Mitt has a chance? Did Regan do that bad in California or either Bush in Texas? No though some of the five centrist Republicans also lost their home states while all losing the general election.

Mitt can NOT win. Period.

Steveangell on March 25, 2012 at 2:12 AM

Steveangell on March 25, 2012 at 2:01 AM

Santorum won LA today with 49% of the votes vs Romney’s 27%, the delegate haul from NYT/AP is 10 for Santorum vs 5 for Romney from today. Romney will likely lose TX and PA, but the margin will be similar to LA. Even for argument’s sake, Santorum gets 70% in TX and PA, Romney will still get a decent portion of the delegates from those states. So there. And by the time of the TX primary, Romney’s number closing in on 1144 may influence the votes there, so I doubt Santorum will get 70% in TX.

galtani on March 25, 2012 at 2:12 AM

Must be embarrassing for the reasonable Mittites.

JannyMae on March 25, 2012 at 2:07 AM

Reasonable Mittites? There are reasonable Mittites? I must have missed them both. /s

DannoJyd on March 25, 2012 at 2:13 AM

Obama and Mitt are two of a kind on the major issues.

Steveangell on March 24, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Romney favors drilling in ANWR, offshore drilling, the Keystone pipeline and reforming and streamlining the NRC.

Obama opposes all four and wastes billions on “green energy” that can’t do the job and is even more environmentally destructive.

Romney claims “jihad is this centurys nightmare” and that Iran will not have the bomb under his watch.

Obama bows to wahhabi kings.

Romney wants to dramatically increase defense spending, increasing the US navys acquisitions alone from 9 ships per year to 15.

Obama cancelled the F-22 and then refused to be seen in public with the men who fly and maintain it and if reelected will dramatically increase CHINAs military funding.

Romney Balanced the Massachusetts state budget while fighting a legislature loaded with democrats.

Obama took a democratic supermajority handed in Americas first 1 trillion dollar deficit and if reelected will go for 4 trillion by the time he retires.

Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs

Romney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-dejS5JPPk

If you want to claim that there’s no difference between Obama and Mitt Romney, then you’re a bald-faced liar democrat.

Alberta_Patriot on March 25, 2012 at 2:14 AM

Mitt is further right than Bush.

IlikedAUH2O on March 25, 2012 at 2:09 AM

LMAO! That certainly does explain why 0bama went to Mitt in order to create his Communist styled 0bamacare program. I guess 0bama is further to the right than is Sketchy.

DannoJyd on March 25, 2012 at 2:16 AM

That LIE has been debunked

social-justice on March 24, 2012 at 10:34 PM

By whom? I have the two newspaper articles from 1994.

Resist We Much on March 24, 2012 at 10:46 PM

By Santorum himself. In 1994. In a debate with his opponent in the Senate race, televised by C-Span. I realize it’s not as convenient as a newspaper article, but you can watch the debate on C-Span and see where he firmly rejects the idea of mandating insurance. Fortunately, the discussion comes fairly early in the debate, so you wouldn’t have to watch the full hour.

Put simply, the reporter got it wrong. Most likely the first reporter got it wrong and the second reporter got his information from the first.

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 25, 2012 at 2:16 AM

Mitt is further right than Bush.

IlikedAUH2O on March 25, 2012 at 2:09 AM

No how, no way, but thanks for playing!

JannyMae on March 25, 2012 at 2:18 AM

If you want to claim that there’s no difference between Obama and Mitt Romney, then you’re a bald-faced liar democrat.

Alberta_Patriot on March 25, 2012 at 2:14 AM

There is a difference all right, they support different sets of billionaires.

Ceteris Paribus on March 25, 2012 at 2:18 AM

DannoJyd on March 25, 2012 at 2:04 AM

Dude-you do know it is only March, right?…We’ll be fine in November..

Static21 on March 25, 2012 at 2:19 AM

Alberta_Patriot on March 25, 2012 at 2:14 AM

Sketchy also emmulates 0bama by talking out of both sides of his mouth. That is why he is now known as Sketchy.

DannoJyd on March 25, 2012 at 2:21 AM

I saw President Bush as conservative but not much more than Governor Romney. Probably less so. Much less.
IlikedAUH2O on March 25, 2012 at 2:09 AM

We do not have Mitts record as President.

So just compare Apples to Apples.

Did GW Bush accomplish conservative things in Texas? Absolutely without a doubt and he ran as a Conservative Republican to win the elections in Texas and not just one election.

Mitt on the other hand ran as a “Liberal Moderate” but definitely not a Republican except for that pesky registration in order to get into the race late after deciding to move back to Mass as he could not win in Utah where he was living. Mitt got the endorsements of almost every liberal group while giving them his own money. Planned Parenthood, LBGT and gun control. His record is very liberal he accomplished not a single conservative thing in four years.

Do not buy into the false story that Mitt lived in Mass. He did not live there he lived in Utah after running the Olympics there he chose to move to Mass and run for Governor there.

Show me any thing like that in GW Bush record. It does not exist.

Most of this crap GW did was in his second term. No one could have know in advance though as he did nothing like this in Texas.

Steveangell on March 25, 2012 at 2:23 AM

Dude-you do know it is only March, right?…We’ll be fine in November..

Static21 on March 25, 2012 at 2:19 AM

Only if Mitt loses in the primarys will that be true.

DannoJyd on March 25, 2012 at 2:23 AM

There is a difference all right, they support different sets of billionaires.

Ceteris Paribus on March 25, 2012 at 2:18 AM

I had thought Mitt would be better on Israel but turns out 850 rabis petitioned the Mormon Church to sanction Mitt. They should know Mitt best and they hate him. They represent millions of Jews in America.

Steveangell on March 25, 2012 at 2:27 AM

galtani on March 25, 2012 at 1:54 AM

The count is not exact. Like I said , the widely quoted source like RCP, had delegates count for Romney so far as 560, and NYT/AP put it at 568, but there other sources with different estimates out there.

The delegates total from the remaining winner takes all states is 375, but the RCP and AP numbers had already included some super-delegates who had endorsed Romney, so the haul of 375 needs to deduct those super-delegates, but the point is still, the maths favor Romney getting the 1144 number he needs.

galtani on March 25, 2012 at 2:30 AM

Steveangell on March 25, 2012 at 2:27 AM

I did not know that, so I Googles it and found:

Romney Denounced by 850 + Rabbis

Wow! Sketchy sure knows how to piss people off, eh?

DannoJyd on March 25, 2012 at 2:33 AM

Once again, Evangelicals show the world that they don’t understand we’re nominating a Presidential candidate, not the person that’s going to teach their kids at Sunday School.

BradTank on March 25, 2012 at 2:41 AM

BradTank on March 25, 2012 at 2:41 AM

Once again Sketchy’s supporters fail to realize that Americans do not want to vote for the creator of 0bamacare.

DannoJyd on March 25, 2012 at 2:46 AM

Mitt is further right than Bush.

IlikedAUH2O on March 25, 2012 at 2:09 AM

No how, no way, but thanks for playing!

JannyMae on March 25, 2012 at 2:18 AM

Mitt is apparently more conservative than Reagan, so why not?

/sarc, of course. I can’t say such tings with a straight face.

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 25, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Mitt is further right than Bush.
IlikedAUH2O on March 25, 2012 at 2:09 AM

If you are a moral relativist who doesn’t know right from wrong or right from left…well, that is your opinion.

Ceteris Paribus on March 25, 2012 at 2:54 AM

Once again Sketchy’s supporters fail to realize that Americans do not want to vote for the creator of 0bamacare.

Then why is Romney cleaning Santorum’s clock among Republicans?

Once you get outside the South where the voters aren’t obsessed with a candidate’s Theology, Romney destroys the competition.

Enjoy your 6 delegates, and prepare to get slaughtered in a week.

BradTank on March 25, 2012 at 2:55 AM

Turnout was less then half the population of New Orleans. Really bad. Not-romney’s for the win!

rubberneck on March 25, 2012 at 2:55 AM

Has Samtorum won any swing state primaries?

Metal Head on March 25, 2012 at 3:16 AM

Once you get outside the South where the voters aren’t obsessed with a candidate’s Theology, Romney destroys the competition.
BradTank on March 25, 2012 at 2:55 AM

So, Santorum beat Romney in North Dakota, Minnesota and Iowa and that means they are southern states?

Ceteris Paribus on March 25, 2012 at 3:19 AM

So, Santorum beat Romney in North Dakota, Minnesota and Iowa and that means they are southern states?

Ceteris Paribus on March 25, 2012 at 3:19 AM

And Missouri, Kansas, and Colorado…

PuritanD71 on March 25, 2012 at 3:47 AM

And Missouri, Kansas, and Colorado…

PuritanD71 on March 25, 2012 at 3:47 AM

Completely true! I only mentioned the three most northern states won by Santorum because I was trying to remove some doubt for the geographically challenged and because long lists are yada yada to many leftists, including some Romney supporters.

Ceteris Paribus on March 25, 2012 at 4:12 AM

Must be embarrassing for the reasonable Mittites.

JannyMae on March 25, 2012 at 2:07 AM

Reasonable Mittites? There are reasonable Mittites? I must have missed them both. /s

DannoJyd on March 25, 2012 at 2:13 AM

oooohhh ….ooooohhh… me.. me..

I’m reasonables, not very embarrassed, about it… but heres I yam…. I promise to not call you names and insult you, I remember well me days in Samtorum’s corner. I remember too how nasty the cross talk got from a few on both sides.. so I won’t go there anymore..

Reasonable seems to be open to discuss something.. without talking points and a grade card of insults ready to go.

mark81150 on March 25, 2012 at 4:47 AM

I’m reasonables, not very embarrassed, about it…
mark81150 on March 25, 2012 at 4:47 AM

Does the plural of reasonable have something to do with moral relativity?

Ceteris Paribus on March 25, 2012 at 4:54 AM

Ceteris Paribus on March 25, 2012 at 4:12 AM

PuritanD71 on March 25, 2012 at 3:47 AM

Let’s talk numbers here:
The States that Santorum is winning that you brought up are Caucuses mostly where the popular vote is NOT the same as a Primary Election.


State Approx Total Vote Santorum RS TotDel Over Romney

Iowa 100K 30K 14 2
MO 230K 139K ?
CO 65K 26K 18 9
ND 11K 5K 11 4
KS 30K 15K 33 26
MN 49K 22K 37 37

TOTAL 500K 240K 113 78

So RS won 6 Caucus States by a total of 240K votes where the populations of these States are much higher and will turn out in droves for the General election. Look at CO and MN, ONLY 65K and 49K, respectively, turned out for an election?

So RS won these 6 States by a TOTAL vote by 240K. Romney won that many votes in ALL of these States by themselves: FL, MI, AZ, GA, OH, MA, and IL. All primaries by the way. He also gathered in the mid-100K votes in these States: AL, SC, TN, VA, and Puerto Rico.

RS gained a total of +78 Delegates in those 6 Caucus States mentioned above with MO’s still to be determined. Romney won a total of +49 Delegates in HI, PR, Am. Samoa, Virgin Is, Marianas, and Guam.

Thus RS gained a total of 29 Delegates over Romney in those 6 States you are crowing about.

Additionally, MS and AL, Santorum won a total of 9 Delegates over Romney. Romney matched that total with his delegates in Samoa alone.

When it comes to actual Primaries, Romney is winning the majority of the votes and delegates because the majority of Republicans WANT him as the next POTUS. RS and Gingrich should recognize where they are at popular vote and delegate-wise and defer to drop out. I am NOT saying this flippantly or arrogantly but just realistically as the numbers show that the path is pretty much closed to them collecting the 1144 delegates.

g2825m on March 25, 2012 at 5:20 AM

My last post did not lay out the way I wanted it to but hopefully you can see the gist of what is meant…

g2825m on March 25, 2012 at 5:23 AM

My last post did not lay out the way I wanted it to but hopefully you can see the gist of what is meant…

g2825m on March 25, 2012 at 5:23 AM

Yep, substance and form over our future freedom. Whoo hoo!

Ceteris Paribus on March 25, 2012 at 5:36 AM

What an illuminating thread. Sore losers abound.

kingsjester on March 25, 2012 at 7:22 AM

listens2glenn on March 25, 2012 at 1:24 AM

Just like McLame did, right?
The difference between McLame and RonMe is that McLame won more states in less time. Sketchy has yet to make the deal with the Republican base.

DannoJyd on March 25, 2012 at 1:49 AM

.
“McLame” was running against someone who was unknown on the national level, was young and good-looking, who could make “great” speeches.
The dominant Journalist culture could lie about Obama with greater effect. But they can’t get away with that this time.
.
This time around, Obama looks “filthy,muddy”, and I believe most voters will hold him responsible for his own muddy appearance, as opposed to blaming the Republicans for slinging mud at him.

listens2glenn on March 25, 2012 at 7:41 AM

Once again Sketchy’s supporters fail to realize that Americans do not want to vote for the creator of 0bamacare.

DannoJyd on March 25, 2012 at 2:46 AM

Then why is Romney cleaning Santorum’s clock among Republicans?

BradTank on March 25, 2012 at 2:55 AM

.
Republican voters still respond to campaign ads.

“Money” won Ohio and Michigan for Mitt, and that may be what happens in Wisconsin, too.

On a side note; Fla can’t be “lumped in” with the rest of “the South”.
It has a different mindset.

listens2glenn on March 25, 2012 at 7:57 AM

Dixie prefers religious SoCon candidate to ModCon Romney- Is anyone surprised by this?
Dixie states ate also the strongest ABO states
They will not vote Ocommie under ANY circumstance- and would vote Romney in Nov.

The ONLY conversation to be had today is how to get EgoNewt out of the way and let these 2 candidates go head to head in SWING STATES – which is where the primary really matters.

FlaMurph on March 25, 2012 at 8:30 AM

Glad to see that Santorum handed Willard his ass yesterday in Louisiana.

I wasn’t going to vote, the lead for Santorum being so substantial here. However, I decided nothing would make my Saturday quite like going to the polls and giving Willard and the GOP establishment the big middlefinger.

Hope they get the message – I really don’t want to have to send it again in November by voting for Obama – but I damn sure will if Willard is the nominee.

HondaV65 on March 25, 2012 at 8:41 AM

Hope they get the message – I really don’t want to have to send it again in November by voting for Obama – but I damn sure will if Willard is the nominee.

HondaV65 on March 25, 2012 at 8:41 AM

Meet HA 35 member #4

Bradky on March 25, 2012 at 8:44 AM

Dixie prefers religious SoCon candidate to ModCon Romney- Is anyone surprised by this?
Dixie states ate also the strongest ABO states
They will not vote Ocommie under ANY circumstance- and would vote Romney in Nov.

FlaMurph on March 25, 2012 at 8:30 AM

Don’t bet on that.

The anger and disgust with the GOP establishment down here is real. True, some won’t be able to actually pull the lever for Obama to send that message to the establishment (though I WILL) … but you’re talking massive numbers of conservatives sitting on their asses and not voting.

If Sarah Palin jumps into this race third party – then your boy Willard is toast.

HondaV65 on March 25, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Meet HA 35 member #4

Bradky on March 25, 2012 at 8:44 AM

Sorry man – have no clue what you’re talking about.

HondaV65 on March 25, 2012 at 8:49 AM

I’m reasonables, not very embarrassed, about it…
mark81150 on March 25, 2012 at 4:47 AM

Does the plural of reasonable have something to do with moral relativity?

Ceteris Paribus on March 25, 2012 at 4:54 AM

uh no.. I was trying to makes a joke… apparently I missed that one a country mile. sigh,… just trying to lighten the mood.

mark81150 on March 25, 2012 at 8:52 AM

HondaV65 on March 25, 2012 at 8:49 AM

The roughly 35 people at HA who proudly proclaim their intention not to support the party – many who have bemoaned the collapse of the US as we know it for the past three years.
Odd that you bring up Palin — let’s say that fantasy scenario worked out. You wouldn’t be so serene about refusing to support the party if all the Mitt supporters said they wouldn’t vote for you.

Member #4 Honda

Bradky on March 25, 2012 at 8:54 AM

I can’t remember, is linking to C NN verboten? I think my last post got caught up in moderation…

Oh well, there’s a great map showing parish by parish (counties) voting. Romney takes one, Orleans.

I’m late to the thread and have not sifted through the back pages, but the main story doesn’t give the winning percentage vote (49% for Santorum) nor does it give the delegate count awarded (8 for Santorum). Just some observations…

Fallon on March 25, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Sketchy also emmulates 0bama by talking out of both sides of his mouth. That is why he is now known as Sketchy.

DannoJyd on March 25, 2012 at 2:21 AM

That’s why you’re backing someone who will sell out his principles and be a team player for the same republican establishment that you’re screaming against? He’s the true conservative.

I guess that means it’s okay to sell our your conservative principles and long as you do it for our side.

Still makes you a sell-out.

And that makes him better than Romney how?

Pcoop on March 25, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Has Samtorum won any swing state primaries?

Metal Head on March 25, 2012 at 3:16 AM

I’m actually pretty interested to watch what happens across the board for all of our candidates in PA. The urban areas rule up there, but PA has a core of Conservatives in the suburbs and rural areas. I’m hoping PA is something “more” of a swing state this time around.

hawkdriver on March 25, 2012 at 9:11 AM

This field bites! Perry should have stayed in.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 24, 2012 at 10:58 PM

with you there ….

conservative tarheel on March 25, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Romney will have decent shot of winning TX anyway.

EddieC on March 25, 2012 at 12:32 AM

You might want to get some sleep…

MGardner on March 25, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Rasmussen Romney +2 on 3/13.

EddieC on March 25, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Member #4 Honda

Bradky on March 25, 2012 at 8:54 AM

You’re under the mistaken impression that all of us in that club have hotair accounts and post here. You are delusional as their are many thousands of us out here who won’t support the Republican party if it nominates a candidate who won’t support us.

HondaV65 on March 25, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Dixie prefers religious SoCon candidate to ModCon Romney- Is anyone surprised by this?
Dixie states ate also the strongest ABO states
They will not vote Ocommie under ANY circumstance- and would vote Romney in Nov.

FlaMurph on March 25, 2012 at 8:30 AM

Don’t bet on that.

The anger and disgust with the GOP establishment down here is real. True, some won’t be able to actually pull the lever for Obama to send that message to the establishment (though I WILL) … but you’re talking massive numbers of conservatives sitting on their asses and not voting.

If Sarah Palin jumps into this race third party – then your boy Willard is toast.

HondaV65 on March 25, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Actually FlaMurp is about 99.9999% right on that. If you really think that the southern conservatives are that dedicated to “punishing” the party elite to the point of rewarding the man who shut down the southern oil economy..

I’m speechless. You’re letting your anger cloud your judgement. I voted for Rick in the Ohio primary, and as flawed as he’s been, I like the man, and his social conservatism. But in the end, after the primaries are over.. we have to pull together, and if Mitt has the best chance as I believe now he does.. then you set your own concerns aside till after we beat Obama..

Because if he wins without you, why should he listen to our concerns?.. he certainly would have no incentive.. don’t do this in a rage and end up spiting yourself. You may feel good doing it, but the price?

way too high..

mark81150 on March 25, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Don’t bet on that.

The anger and disgust with the GOP establishment down here is real. True, some won’t be able to actually pull the lever for Obama to send that message to the establishment (though I WILL) … but you’re talking massive numbers of conservatives sitting on their asses and not voting.

If Sarah Palin jumps into this race third party – then your boy Willard is toast.

HondaV65 on March 25, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Actually, I would bet on that. I know for a fact that every single anti-Mitt person on this board is all talk. Once that curtain is pulled behind you, you couldn’t live with yourself to give Obama another four years. Your hatred for Obama is more powerful than it is for Mitt. Obama’s been raping you for four years, and that makes you angry. On election day, you’ll step in that booth, sawllow your pride once again, and pull the lever for whatever gets rid of him. And the cycle will repeat again as it always has.

That’s the difference between me and you. I accept this as fate. I know Romney will screw me, I know Santorum will screw me. If Palin was running, she would eventually screw me. I have no pretenses about anything. We are talking about politicians. We are talking about Washington. They exist to screw us. There is no one you can get to replace Obama, who isn’t going to screw you eventually. But there are varying degrees to being screwed and sometimes, you might like it, but you’re still getting screwed. But you see, I’d rather pick someone to screw me than be anal raped by Obama for another four plus years. you see, I still have a say when i’m getting screwed. I still get to pick the person who’s going to do it. Makes it easier to take it.

Romneycare wasn’t rammed down your throat. Obamacare was. When you think of that, think of Nancy Pelosi with that big ass gavel rubbing it in our faces as she was walking to Capitol Hill. They raped us on that day. They violated us. And we had no say on it. We’ve been raped many times, we’ve been screwed many times by our government. We’ve never had a government that looked like it absolutely enjoyed raping us.

Remember that feeling. Romney’s a saint compared to them. The worst thing he did was “create a template.” Whoopty-do!. He didn’t ram it up your ass and demand that you take it.

So it doesn’t matter who, pro-Mitt, Pro Santorum, GET OVER YOURSELVES! I’d rather have anyone over Obama raping me for another four plus years.

I’m pretty sure those other guys would at least lube up before they screw me.

Pcoop on March 25, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Wow! Santorum gained 5 delegates in this election.

lhuffman34 on March 25, 2012 at 9:24 AM

If Sarah Palin jumps into this race third party – then your boy Willard is toast.

HondaV65 on March 25, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Stupid.

Palin’s not stupid enough to do that. She knows getting rid of Obama is the bigger issue.

She knows the country could not take another four years of him.

Unlike you, who would rather put conservatism over country.

Pcoop on March 25, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Wow! Santorum gained 5 delegates in this election.

lhuffman34 on March 25, 2012 at 9:24 AM

That’s not what it says here:

…the victory gives Santorum bragging rights and at least nine more delegates

Fallon on March 25, 2012 at 9:30 AM

That’s the other thing, all I hear from a lot of you people, is you putting conservatism over the country.

The country is supposed to be bigger than your ideology.

We’re supposed to work together. We’re all Americans, or at least, we’re supposed to be.

“But no, Candidate A doesn’t stand up to my conservative principles. I won’t do anything.”

You are no better than those who put their liberalism ahead of their country.

This is supposed to be about getting rid of Obama, or have we all forgot that?

Pcoop on March 25, 2012 at 9:32 AM

If Sarah Palin jumps into this race third party – then your boy Willard is toast.

HondaV65 on March 25, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Sarah wouldn’t do that she is a team player and has already pledged to support the nominee

steel guy on March 25, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Pcoop on March 25, 2012 at 9:24 AM

That’s a pretty cynical view.. the saddest part, I cannot really bet the home you’re wrong, though I wish I could.

I do believe not all politicians start out as cynical abusers of power, that’s often a matter of them being co-opted by the system designed to reward power, and the amount of time they are exposed to it. Maybe if they could slam shut the revolving door between lobbying and government, journalism and government, and of course cashing in on national fame from being in high office..

98% of these folks are rich before they run.. so maybe if we capped their ability to earn money from other sources while in office up to ten years after, kill the money train… that might make a difference.. But it’s the cashing in which kills their credibility and the trust we can have in any of them for long.

mark81150 on March 25, 2012 at 9:35 AM

How in heck did we end up with such crappy candidates?

Ceteris Paribus on March 25, 2012 at 12:20 AM

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No one else chose to run. : (

listens2glenn on March 25, 2012 at 12:42 AM

and the good ones we had (Perry) dropped out early

conservative tarheel on March 25, 2012 at 9:36 AM

DUMP MITT NOW!

If not Ricky , then Perry/West 2012!

Pragmatic on March 25, 2012 at 9:36 AM

mark81150 on March 25, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Yep, The South will vote for the republican nominee. Now, we’ll still get beat up by someone regardless. If we defeat President Obama, the MSM will say we’re anti-black and bigots. If it’s a Governor Romney matchup and he loses, we’ll be anti-Mormon bigots and will be accused of having stayed home and blamed for the loss. The ironic thing is that this comes at the crest of this apparent movement of the SOCONs to scrap us off of their shoes and declare us immaterial and irrelevant.

FWIW, your comments are always a great read because of your objectivity and pragmatism.

hawkdriver on March 25, 2012 at 9:37 AM

PERRY/WEST LEADERS WITH COJONES!

Pragmatic on March 25, 2012 at 9:37 AM

What an illuminating thread. Sore losers abound.

kingsjester on March 25, 2012 at 7:22 AM

Don’t be so hard on poor JannyMae. I’m sure that deep, deep down she’s really a terrific and cheerful person. The poor thing is still upset over the fact that Republican voters are soundly rejecting the unelectable Rick Santorum.

bluegill on March 25, 2012 at 9:39 AM

scrape I think is actually a word in that sentence that actually would make more sense.

hawkdriver on March 25, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Actually, I would bet on that. I know for a fact that every single anti-Mitt person on this board is all talk. Once that curtain is pulled behind you, you couldn’t live with yourself to give Obama another four years. Your hatred for Obama is more powerful than it is for Mitt.

Pcoop on March 25, 2012 at 9:24 AM

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Keep telling yourself that. My hatred for each is equal and absolute.

Stoic Patriot on March 25, 2012 at 9:40 AM

That’s the other thing, all I hear from a lot of you people, is you putting conservatism over the country.

The country is supposed to be bigger than your ideology.

We’re supposed to work together. We’re all Americans, or at least, we’re supposed to be.

“But no, Candidate A doesn’t stand up to my conservative principles. I won’t do anything.”

You are no better than those who put their liberalism ahead of their country.

This is supposed to be about getting rid of Obama, or have we all forgot that?

Pcoop on March 25, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Agreed… country first, ideology last.. our fellow Americans should always come first. People mutter darkly sometimes about “well, I’ll take to the hills with my guns before I….”

That kind of thinking is what destroys a society’s ability to function.. In this day and age, really?.. and the men and women on the other side, they have families too, even if they are criminally wrong,.. they still believe in what they are doing.. and would any of these dead enders really want to hurt so many people over a cause they wanted badly, but failed to win at the ballot box?

My father was a career police officer, and I grew in up the days of rage, fearing every night my father wouldn’t come home, because a leftwing weatherman, or panther would think he was all up for the “revolution”… I remember how that felt,.. he was just doing what he thought was right, and he was a fair man.. I simply cannot do that to another American.. I’d turn out to fight any foreign enemy, but we have a land where we should never settle our differences that way,.. we aren’t Lebanon in the 80′s.. we can do it without going the bitter feud route.

I really hate it when I see people imply that’s what they’d do.. if you see what I mean.. it unhelpful in the extreme to even talk that way.

mark81150 on March 25, 2012 at 9:45 AM

and the good ones we had (Perry) dropped out early

conservative tarheel on March 25, 2012 at 9:36 AM

I liked Perry and his policies were more in line with what I believe in. But it was obvious he couldn’t articulate those positions in a cohesive manner. Too bad. I would have prefered Paul Ryan.

steel guy on March 25, 2012 at 9:46 AM

bluegill on March 25, 2012 at 9:39 AM

I’m talking about some of your brethren, spammer.

kingsjester on March 25, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Mitt is apparently more conservative than Reagan, so why not?

/sarc, of course. I can’t say such tings with a straight face.

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 25, 2012 at 2:48 AM

dont you remember Mittens is SEVERELY conservative

conservative tarheel on March 25, 2012 at 9:47 AM

If Sarah Palin jumps into this race third party [...]

HondaV65 on March 25, 2012 at 8:48 AM

No offense, but, you are joking, right? You sound like an Obama supporter trying dream up ways of getting him reelected. It would be like Republicans begging Ralph Nader to run again. I think you might be one of those left-wing infiltrators we keep hearing about.

In any case, I think Republican voters breathed a collective sigh of relief when Palin didn’t run. We all knew she could never win (and she tends to repulse independent swing voters and fire up liberals), so it was nice to have her adopt a much less visible role in the national political discourse.

bluegill on March 25, 2012 at 9:48 AM

kingsjester on March 25, 2012 at 7:22 AM

Don’t be so hard on poor JannyMae. The poor thing is still upset over the fact that Republican voters are soundly rejecting the unelectable Rick Santorum.

bluegill on March 25, 2012 at 9:39 AM

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Would someone give the recordplayer a shove, bump, nudge, . . . something . . . . . .

listens2glenn on March 25, 2012 at 9:49 AM

In any case, I think Republican voters breathed a collective sigh of relief when Palin didn’t run. We all knew she could never win (and she tends to repulse independent swing voters and fire up liberals), so it was nice to have her adopt a much less visible role in the national political discourse.

bluegill on March 25, 2012 at 9:48 AM

I think that Palin herself realized this also, and that is why she didn’t run. I still love her and I always will. I support Romney, not because I think he is the best man for the job but because he is the best man who decided to run.

steel guy on March 25, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Rasmussen Romney +2 on 3/13.

EddieC on March 25, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Santorum +8 in another poll…

I will bet you money on TX if your so confident…

MGardner on March 25, 2012 at 9:55 AM

In any case, I think Republican voters breathed a collective sigh of relief when Palin didn’t run. We all knew she could never win (and she tends to repulse independent swing voters and fire up liberals), so it was nice to have her adopt a much less visible role in the national political discourse.

bluegill on March 25, 2012 at 9:48 AM

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Didn’t ya’ll notice how McCain’s ‘poll numbers’ went into the tank, after he announced Sarah Palin as running mate?

She undoubledly cost him the election!
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I think I just ran through my daily quota of sarcasm in one comment.

listens2glenn on March 25, 2012 at 9:55 AM

I will bet you money on TX if your so confident…

MGardner on March 25, 2012 at 9:55 AM

$10,000.00?

steel guy on March 25, 2012 at 9:56 AM

I will bet you money on TX if your so confident…

MGardner on March 25, 2012 at 9:55 AM

But I didn’t say I was confident Romney would win TX. I said he should have a “decent shot”.

EddieC on March 25, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Does anyone else want to laugh when they see and hear Rick “Sexual Morality Policeman” Santorum?

The unelectable Rick Santorum has become an embarrassing joke. The man has made a fool of himself with his campaign.

Rick Santorum has been outclassed by Mitt Romney every step of the way. I almost feel embarrassed for Rick Santorum.

Rick Santorum whines and pouts and throws tantrums. For his sake, I hope Santorum doesn’t actually start crying like a baby when he officially drops out of the race.

Santorum needs to remember that the election is not just about Rick Santorum. It’s about something much bigger. If we are serious about beating Obama, then we need to stop wasting our time with the unelectable Rick Santorum. At this point the people who are most enthusiastic about Santorum are liberal Democrats who want to help Obama have an easy opponent in the fall.

After all, everyone knows that…
A Vote for Rick Santorum in the Primary = A Vote for Barack Obama’s Reelection

bluegill on March 25, 2012 at 10:00 AM

After all, everyone knows that…
A Vote for Rick Santorum in the Primary = A Vote for Barack Obama’s Reelection

bluegill on March 25, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Actually…it’s just a vote for Santorum.

kingsjester on March 25, 2012 at 10:01 AM

hawkdriver on March 25, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Thank you sir.. I’m starting to make friends here now, and I’m thankful to have a chance to speak to you and so many of the regular commenters.. I allowed myself to be baited a few times, but your example was my guide in staying focused.. and I really enjoy the debate when we can stay civil with each other..

and you sir, make that much easier. You’re the most well grounded, and fair minded man here, you never let the cynics grind you down.

mark81150 on March 25, 2012 at 10:05 AM

A Vote for Rick Santorum in the Primary = A Vote for Barack Obama’s Reelection

bluegill on March 25, 2012 at 10:00 AM

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C’MON, can anybody give the recordplayer a shove already?

listens2glenn on March 25, 2012 at 10:10 AM

bluegill on March 25, 2012 at 10:00 AM

bluegill, you need to remember too that it’s not just about Mitt Romney. I don’t think he pushes that, but you do. You and quite a few of your fellow supporters dismiss any reasoned concern thats offered here about a Mitt Romney Presidency. A lot of folks ask poignant, fair questions and they get shot down as stupid, toothless and southern bigots by you and your ilk.

Think about this, rather than calling Santorum (or us) a bigot every other thread, you could probably actually make headway in your desire to support Mitt Romney by offering commentary on concerns rather than insults. I concede we’ve had terse exchanges, but this is getting closer to Convention time. We want folks to coalesce. As it is, you’re about as effective in turning support away from Romney as angryed is at pushing support to him.

hawkdriver on March 25, 2012 at 10:10 AM

mark81150 on March 25, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Thanks but not so much me anymore. But you keep up the great commentary you offer and it can only help to make this a great site again.

hawkdriver on March 25, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Rasmussen Romney +2 on 3/13.

EddieC on March 25, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Santorum +8 in another poll…

I will bet you money on TX if your so confident…

MGardner on March 25, 2012 at 9:55 AM

TX is proportional delegate state, so Romney does not have to win it. But if Romney took these winner-take-all primaries that he will likely win (DC,CT,MD,WI,DE,CA,NJ and UT),the haul from those is 365 to 375. If Romney also win NY and CT by 50% ( which is not impossible given what he won by significantly more than 50% in MA, VT) those will be winner-take-all(95+28). Romney will also win more delegates than Santorum in OR and RI. And he will win some delegates in NC and PA even though he will likely lose in those 2 states. The number will be close enough to 1144 and that may sway sentiment in TX.

galtani on March 25, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Mitt can NOT win. Period.

Steveangell on March 25, 2012 at 2:12 AM

Well said. Some people are finally seeing him for what he is and it makes them sick.
An entire extended family of [alleged] men avoiding military service?
No Thanks

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Karl Magnus on March 25, 2012 at 10:18 AM

hawkdriver on March 25, 2012 at 10:10 AM

It’d be nice if everyone on both sides stopped throwing bombs but that isn’t going to happen. People get passionate about politics and reason is the first casuality.

steel guy on March 25, 2012 at 10:20 AM

It’d be nice if everyone on both sides stopped throwing bombs but that isn’t going to happen. People get passionate about politics and reason is the first casuality.

steel guy on March 25, 2012 at 10:20 AM

That’s just what I’d expect out of an eco-racist-jooo-hating-commie-bot like you! /

EddieC on March 25, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Once that curtain is pulled behind you, you couldn’t live with yourself to give Obama another four years. Your hatred for Obama is more powerful than it is for Mitt. Obama’s been raping you for four years, and that makes you angry. On election day, you’ll step in that booth, sawllow your pride once again, and pull the lever for whatever gets rid of him. And the cycle will repeat again as it always has.

Best comment ever. I can’t stand the sanctimonious whining from posters who crow on about Romney’s ‘liberalism’ and his squishiness when THEY know, and WE know that they’ll be voting for him come November.

Utter. Hypocrisy.

lostmotherland on March 25, 2012 at 10:28 AM

That’s just what I’d expect out of an eco-racist-jooo-hating-commie-bot like you! /

EddieC on March 25, 2012 at 10:25 AM

LOL.

BTW I don’t hate jews.

steel guy on March 25, 2012 at 10:30 AM

The liberal GOP media told us for two weeks the race was over, further they created a narrative that santorium would vote for obama over romneycare two days before the louisana primary and Romneycare still gets his azz kicked by 22 points. A pitiful disgusting showing for someone that was inevidable.

Mittbots in louisana, monies spent was about even, this is the best example of where the race would be if it was an even playing field. Get it thru your heads Romneycare sucks as a candidate. The only way he wins is by outspending his competition by $100 million, owning the RNC and rigging the primaries, paying off elected officals for their support and state organizations etc.. This will get the liberal the nomination BUT HE WILL GET DESTROYED BY OBAMASATAN.

I will blame you mittbots for four freakin years for costing us this election. You and the establishment have made it your mission to get this leftist the nomination, now that your close to getting it’s clear as water that romneycare is a loser!

Danielvito on March 25, 2012 at 10:30 AM

lostmotherland on March 25, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Way to inspire party unity.

By the way, being aware of Romney’s record is not hypocrisy, it’s history.

kingsjester on March 25, 2012 at 10:30 AM

After all, everyone knows that…
A Vote for Rick Santorum in the Primary = A Vote for Barack Obama’s Reelection

bluegill on March 25, 2012 at 10:00 AM

You aren’t helping here when you do this.. it just angers good people for no good reason and keeps the ugly fight going. If you had said in the general if you don’t support the nominee you would be making a valid argument.. but in the primaries?

Look, there is no reason to play this hateful game.. people have every right to support whomever they choose in a primary, it just makes the eventual winner stronger, and allows the voters to feel they had a chance to air their views..

don’t try to smother that for a quick and dirty win,.. everyone who gets a chance to vote and have that vote matter in a close and hard fought set of primaries can walk away with pride in having their vote matter.. which rarely happens in a primary. Mitt can walk away with his head held high after winning, because he will have been truly and honestly vetted and chosen by the rank and file GOP voters..

Something many of get denied a chance when the winner scores an early knockout. That may please his partisans, but with such a small segment of the population actually getting to have a say, a quick win is actually far less democratic then a long primary season.

and another note.. you keeping using the word bigot when talking about Rick.. you obviously enjoy giving other voters the finger, but it hurts the cause when you antagonize people for no valid reason, and just for personal gratification.

Do you want more to vote for Romney or not?

I may be supporting Romney now, but I have friends here who support Santorum, and Newt, they don’t need to be constantly sneered at.. so it’s not just nonRomney voters you are jabbing.. I like the man, more than a few Romney voters do, so go easy.. it’s not hard to be fair minded if you try. This continuous kicking of Santorum is getting really old, and really stale.. lets stick to just calling the men by their names please, and no more jabs to incite anger, unless you LIKE having folks get PO’d at the Governor because of your constant slaps at Rick’s voters.

mark81150 on March 25, 2012 at 10:31 AM

lostmotherland on March 25, 2012 at 10:28 AM

I’m not sure I’d consider it hypocrisy if someone ended up still voting for Mitt Romney in the general after just voicing concerns about how Conservative he is in the primary.

hawkdriver on March 25, 2012 at 10:35 AM

just voicing concerns

Well, there’s “just voicing concerns” and there’s outright anti-Romney hysteria. We see more of the latter than the former here. My point is that the hysterics–hysteria notwithstanding–will still all be voting the R nominee whoever it is.

lostmotherland on March 25, 2012 at 10:41 AM

I personally think that Romney lacks the core beliefs on many issues that many republican voters look for in candidates. I think he considers social issues more of an annoyance in that he has to take a position on somethine he doesn’t really feel passionate about. This election I hope will be about the ecomomy and the direction of the country as far as economic freedom versus a more socialistic goverment run economy. I feel comfortable with Romney, despite his flaws, in that regard.

steel guy on March 25, 2012 at 10:46 AM

People are passionate, and angry, and angry people say things they regret later. My own personal rule, especially between my wife and I… is if you are so angry you feel like saying something hurtful to someone, lover, loved ones, family or friends..

just refrain from saying anything till you can cool down.. I’ve learned the hard way, you can’t un speak somethings, and with my wife at least, I’ve never said anything to hurt her in anger.. a good rule I think,..

because you often hear of people when a loved one passes unexpectedly from an accident or any reason, they are haunted forever by the thought the last time they spoke was in anger.

I do not want should anything happen to me, the last words of mine in my wife’s head were anything but I love you.. That may be too personal for this forum, but the basic rule stands.. speaking out when you’re in a raging anger isn’t always best.

That’s what’s in play here, not hypocrisy, just honestly felt anger at the perceived unfairness of the situation, and people hearing their voices don’t count form too many sources. They’ll do what’s right in the end, people generally do when it really matters.

Maybe because I’m 52 and still a father to a 10 and 12 year old pair of kids, I have to referee alot.. but that’s how I see it, they are almost all good people, let them air their resentments, they can’t be addressed or rectified otherwise. Romney himself has started trying much harder to reach out to us in the social con movement,.. so he gets it.. at least more than he did before.

mark81150 on March 25, 2012 at 10:55 AM

This continuous kicking of Santorum is getting really old, and really stale.. lets stick to just calling the men by their names please, and no more jabs to incite anger, unless you LIKE having folks get PO’d at the Governor because of your constant slaps at Rick’s voters.

mark81150 on March 25, 2012 at 10:31 AM

No, I disagree.

Anyone who gets PO’d at Romney because an anonymous internet poster criticizes Santorum is a moron.

Second, you people seem to think that, when readers write comments on this site, they are somehow directing them only at the relatively small number of other HotAir readers who also comment on a regular basis. The vast majority of HotAir’s readers neither post comments nor constantly refresh the comment pages, let alone know which commenter has a history of supporting which candidate. There is a much wider audience for this site than the handful of regulars who like to think they own the place.

Finally, a comment pointing out that voting for Santorum in the primary benefits Obama is hardly beyond the pale. It’s rather obvious and deserves to be said.

We shouldn’t have to walk on eggshells when expressing our opinions. If you think we would want to stay silent and mind our manners while an unelectable social issues extremist like Rick Santorum threatens to hand the election to Obama, then you are mistaken. Luckily, Santorum is nearly finished, but I won’t be totally happy until he is out of it officially.

bluegill on March 25, 2012 at 10:59 AM

mark81150 on March 25, 2012 at 10:55 AM

I teach my kids a very simple philosophy, and that is to try and never say anything hurtful or mean to anyone. I tell them that I never regretted holding back when I felt angry or hurt by someone who I percieve as attacking me. But I almost always regret it when I lose self control and speak my mind in a hurtful way even though I am convinced I am fully in the right. Often the remorse I feel comes many years later and I may regret it for the rest of my life.

steel guy on March 25, 2012 at 11:10 AM

mark81150 on March 25, 2012 at 10:31 AM

No, I disagree.
Luckily, Santorum is nearly finished, but I won’t be totally happy until he is out of it officially.

bluegill on March 25, 2012 at 10:59 AM

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mark’, you really do get an A+++ for effort.

Most anyone else would have been “positively-motivated” by that.

Defiance is stronger in some people. That’s all you can do.

listens2glenn on March 25, 2012 at 11:16 AM

This is getting old. Santorum gets the rural state mom and pop that do not understand political science. Romney attracts the more educated suburban voter that understands independent or potential crossover dems will NOT vote for a man locked in the 1950′s.
The consequences of another four years of this administration will be back breaking for our country. Enough screwing around. Rally around the candidate that CAN beat this president in November.

FireBlogger on March 25, 2012 at 11:16 AM

bluegill on March 25, 2012 at 10:59 AM

U can’t escape yourself. U R OBNOXIOUS….one time time writing u wanted Santorum’s complete destruction. There is something seriously wrong with u that can’t be cured by humanity.

gracie on March 25, 2012 at 11:21 AM

I will blame you mittbots for four freakin years for costing us this election. You and the establishment have made it your mission to get this leftist the nomination, now that your close to getting it’s clear as water that romneycare is a loser!

Danielvito on March 25, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Ditto²

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Karl Magnus on March 25, 2012 at 11:22 AM

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