Video: Obama weighs in on Trayvon Martin case; Update: Romney, Gingrich comment

posted at 12:45 pm on March 23, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

As one White House correspondent noted on Twitter, President Obama’s response to a question about the Trayvon Martin shooting was unusual in that he doesn’t usually respond to shouted questions from the press corps. Clearly, Obama wanted to talk about the incident after several days of debate over the killing of an unarmed teenager in Florida, and the lack of charges from local law enforcement:

I suspect that this part of Obama’s statement will rankle some:

Obama said Trayvon Martin’s death particularly resonated with him as an African-American parent.

“If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon,” Obama said in brief remarks outside the White House.

I’ve already gotten e-mails claiming that Obama played the race card, but that’s been an important part of the context of this case all along.  All things considered, Obama’s statement was rather restrained.  He seems to have learned a lesson from the Henry Gates incident in 2009, to which Obama reacted by claiming that law enforcement officers “acted stupidly” in the same breath in which he said that he didn’t have all of the facts of the case.  Instead, this time Obama restricted his commentary to noting how any American parent would want a full investigation of the incident, and praising Florida Governor Rick Scott for launching a task-force investigation of the incident.

The DoJ will probe the shooting, too, which Obama noted but which had already been announced.  However, there is almost no chance that the federal government will have any opening, since George Zimmerman wasn’t an agent of the state or local government.  That makes prosecuting Zimmerman under civil-rights legislation almost impossible, especially given the circumstances of the initial assault.  Be sure to see the lengthy explanation of Florida’s self-defense laws in my earlier post to see why Zimmerman will probably face some sort of prosecution if the stated facts of the case are borne out, but that will come from the county or state level, not federal.

Meanwhile, the media leaped at the chance to compare Obama’s statement to the silence from Republican presidential candidates on the shooting.  That’s a bit silly; even Obama took quite a while to comment on the case, and as Earl Ofari Hutchinson writes at Electronic Urban Report, for the same reasons:

Obama, as all sitting presidents, doesn’t take positions on controversial state issues, and that’s the key. They are state issues, and to interfere is to step into a political minefield that would do far more harm than good. It would violate the rigid separation of federal and state powers. It would open the floodgate for any and every individual and group that has a legal wrong, grievance, or injustice to expect, even demand, that the president speak out on their cause. While tens of thousands nationally and globally are rallying behind the demand for arrest and prosecution of Zimmerman, there are millions more that quietly and openly demand that Florida officials resists any rush to judgment about the Martin killing.

Presidential statements on a controversial issue will polarize, and fuel political backlash. This would certainly be the case if Obama utters a word about Martin. In fact, the Martin slaying is a near textbook example of the fury and passion that racial leaden cases and issues always stir. Martin is African-American, and his self-admitted killer is non-black. Obama is African-American and there’s rarely been a moment during his tenure in the White House that he hasn’t been relentlessly reminded of that. The one time that he gingerly ventured into the minefield on a racially charged local issue was his mild rebuke of the white officer that cuffed Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates in 2009. The reaction was instant and rabid. Polls after his mild rebuke showed that a majority of whites condemned Obama for backing Gates and, even more ominously, expressed big doubts about his policies.

The president relearned a bitter lesson. If you speak out on an issue that involves race, police authority, and local law and local matters you will pay a heavy political price for it. While presidents have routinely spoken out on the deaths of police officers, political initiatives in states, and other local issues, there is no implication or inference of political partisanship or interference in a state matter. Speaking out on a controversial racial issue, as Martin is, would have a direct political inference, namely that the president is taking sides. In an election year, this would have be even more problematic. The GOP presidential contenders would be quick to pounce and would lambaste Obama as playing the race card and inflaming passions. Or, more charitably, that he was butting into an issue that he has no authority over, and that this is yet another example of the White House’s over reach on local matters.

The Trayvon Martin shooting does raise questions about self-defense laws and carry permit legislation only if Zimmerman didn’t violate either of them in the shooting, which seems unlikely under the circumstances.  Those, however, are state-level issues, not federal, so presidential candidates (and Presidents) aren’t under any requirement to share their thoughts.

Update: Rep. Allen West has called the lack of action against Zimmerman “an outrage,” through his Facebook page:

Noting that he had taken some time to “assess the current episode,” West wrote: “The US Navy SEALS identified Osama Bin Laden within hours, while this young man laid on a morgue slab for three days. The shooter, Mr Zimmerman, should have been held in custody and certainly should not be walking free, still having a concealed weapons carry permit. From my reading, it seems this young man was pursued and there was no probable cause to engage him, certainly not pursue and shoot him….against the direction of the 911 responder.”

The congressman added: “Let’s all be appalled at this instance not because of race, but because a young American man has lost his life, seemingly, for no reason.”

The Florida lawmaker said that he had signed a letter supporting the Justice Department’s investigation but that he did not plan to attend protests in Florida “to shout and scream, because we need the responsible entities and agencies to handle this situation from this point without media bias or undue political influences.”

That went much farther than Obama did, although as a Representative elected from Florida, West has more political connection to what happens in the state.

Update: Mediate notes that Mitt Romney has made a statement today about the case, and Newt Gingrich did last night:

Shortly after President Obama spoke out for the first time on the killing of 17 year-old Trayvon Martin, former Massachusetts Governor and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney followed suit, issuing a statement, through a spokesperson, which read “What happened to Trayvon Martin is a tragedy. There needs to be a thorough investigation that reassures the public that justice is carried out with impartiality and integrity.”

Romney’s statement was similar to comments made by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who told CNN’s Piers Morgan, last night, that “I think that Americans can recognize that while this is a tragedy, and it is a tragedy, that we’re going to relentlessly seek justice. And I think that’s the right thing to do.”

 


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libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 1:21 PM

That’s just nonsense.

Seeing a black, yellow, brown, red, white or whatnot person dressed like a dirtbag ALWAYS makes the vast majority of us more cautious. It’s a fact of life, and very likely a result of evolutionary biology.

I don’t know what happened with these two guys, but one thing to always keep in mind is that when you enter into a fight, you are risking your life. Period.

It sounds like both of them are in the wrong. I have absolutely NO IDEA why Obozo feels the need to play the race card, or to attempt to personalize this incident as something done to HIM. The man is a megalomaniac.

Let the facts come out before jumping to conclusions.

KMC1 on March 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM

And according to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.

Del Dolemonte on March 23, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Exactly right on. But due to the PC epidemic we are supposed to just get slaughtered in reparations for something that none of us are responsible for over 400 years ago.

If that makes me a racist in the new progressive world view then I don’t give a sh1t anymore.

ClassicCon on March 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Can you fathom that an unarmed kid can still be an aggressor and still be dangerous?

Chip on March 23, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Not when they are walking away and screaming for help.

Has that been established yet?

They have these things called recorded phone calls ya know.

peachaeo on March 23, 2012 at 1:41 PM

What does that have to do with whether someone can be an aggressor and be dangerous?

Chip on March 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM

His father said he was suspended for 10 days based on something he did at his latest school.

Still, Trayvon had nonviolent behavioral issues in school, and on the day he was killed, he had been suspended for 10 days from Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School in North Miami-Dade.

“He was not suspended for something dealing with violence or anything like that. It wasn’t a crime he committed, but he was in an unauthorized area [on school property],” [his father] Martin said, declining to offer more details.

Before that, Trayvon attended Miami Carol City High School near his mother’s home in Miami Gardens.

faraway on March 23, 2012 at 1:45 PM

BS. You don’t get suspended for 10 days for being in an un-authorized school area. That’s detention. Not a 10 day suspension.

Let the cover up begin….

angryed on March 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM

BadgerHawk on March 23, 2012 at 1:45 PM

they played all of them on the radio, maybe they werent released formally but they are all out there for people to hear.

peachaeo on March 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Clearly this history of teenage tardiness justifies his eventual murder.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 1:39 PM

You are such a wallowing in self pity drama queen. I’m not so sure you are black. You may be white and gay.

VorDaj on March 23, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Some friendly advice, kid. Citing the Huffington Post as a credible source won’t help you. Especially citing a HuffPo story written by somebody from the NY Times.

Remember, that “newspaper” has a Far-Left pro-Democrat Party Agenda, and that Agenda is not concerned with the Truth, no matter what the story they cover is about.

Del Dolemonte on March 23, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Right, so when HuffingtonPost publishes election results I’ll just assume they’ve altered them or something. Since they can not every convey the truth.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 1:48 PM

And according to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.

shhhh….

Dude, you’re harshing his proxyism of Collectivist delusional cheap moral superiority.

Have you no pity…!?!?

Ragspierre on March 23, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Has he ever spoken out about a white person being killed by a black person??? Obama is one of the most racist people in the country.

jeffn21 on March 23, 2012 at 1:49 PM

faraway on March 23, 2012 at 1:45 PM

10 days for being in an unauthorized area? Seems excessive. I think they should march on that school and accuse anybody they want of being a racist.

And I thought it was just tardiness?

mankai on March 23, 2012 at 1:50 PM

BS. You don’t get suspended for 10 days for being in an un-authorized school area. That’s detention. Not a 10 day suspension.

Let the cover up begin….

angryed on March 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM

The school has said that he was suspended for tardiness. What interest do they have in lying? Did you read the article I linked to?

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Obama didn’t say the Sanford police acted stupidly?

azkag on March 23, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Oh I get it. Having a peaceful protest march or speaking loudly in a megaphone = black people “going on a rampage.” So wearing a hoodie while black = a violent act that justifies lethal force in self defense. And black people collecting together and marching = going on a rampage. No wonder Zimmerman wasn’t arrested, there are two different sets of rules for black people and for everyone else in this country. My mistake, I won’t make it again.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 1:46 PM

A peaceful march with Jesse!! and Sharpton is an Oxymoron.

But fine how many white people had any marches after OJ slaughtered 2 innocent white people?

Where was the outrage from the “black community” that 2 innocent white people had been slaughtered? Not only were they not protesting the murders, they were going out of their way to defend OJ.

You’re so pathetically hypocritical.

angryed on March 23, 2012 at 1:51 PM

they played all of them on the radio, maybe they werent released formally but they are all out there for people to hear.

peachaeo on March 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Thanks. I’ve been looking but the only one I could find was Zimmerman’s.

BadgerHawk on March 23, 2012 at 1:51 PM

The school has said that he was suspended for tardiness. What interest do they have in lying? Did you read the article I linked to?

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 1:50 PM

If you believe being late for school = 10 day suspension, you’re a bigger fool than I thought.

angryed on March 23, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Atta boy, Barry. Just couldn’t pass up the opportunity to pile on and stir the pot, could you.

It’s going to be an interesting summer.

petefrt on March 23, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Del Dolemonte on March 23, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Right, so when HuffingtonPost publishes election results I’ll just assume they’ve altered them or something. Since they can not every convey the truth.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Why would anyone go to Huffington Post for election results?

Anyone who would rely on Huffington Post for credible news is just as clueless as you are.

Del Dolemonte on March 23, 2012 at 1:53 PM

So I see someone on my property. I walk up to him and say what are you doing here. He start beating me up. You’re saying I can’t defend myself anymore because I walked up to him?

So what am I supposed to do then? If I talk to him I lose the right to defend my self. If I shoot him, without talking to him, I go to jail for shooting first and asking questions later.

Seems like no matter what, we don’t have the right to defend our property using your argument.

angryed on March 23, 2012 at 1:41 PM

He wasn’t on Zimmerman’s property, and if anybody was defending themselves it was the unarmed Martin against the nutball vigilante. No justification whatsoever for shooting and killing him.

changer1701 on March 23, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Right, so when HuffingtonPost publishes election results I’ll just assume they’ve altered them or something. Since they can not every convey the truth.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 1:48 PM

That’s not even close to the same thing. Stop using straw men and red herrings to make your point.

There are a few of us trying to have an honest conversation with you (which is stating to look more and more like a waste of time).

BadgerHawk on March 23, 2012 at 1:54 PM

The black 17 yo could not have been the aggressor. He looked like Obama’s son and the other guy is Hispanic. Case closed. Hispanic guy tried and convicted. Anything he might say is ruled out of order. If nothing else he should be hung because he didn’t have the good sense to look like Obama’s son. Off with his head!

Cheshire Cat on March 23, 2012 at 1:54 PM

So I see someone on my property. I walk up to him and say what are you doing here. He start beating me up. You’re saying I can’t defend myself anymore because I walked up to him?

So what am I supposed to do then? If I talk to him I lose the right to defend my self. If I shoot him, without talking to him, I go to jail for shooting first and asking questions later.

Seems like no matter what, we don’t have the right to defend our property using your argument.

angryed on March 23, 2012 at 1:41 PM

That’s not really an accurate analogy. If you stalked the kid through the neighborhood, chased him, and told the 911 operator that “these **** always get away,” and then shot him, you might have a problem.

Zimmerman claims he had stopped pursuing Martin, and was on his way back to get in his truck when he was struck from behind, when Martin jumped him. If all of that’s true, maybe Zimmerman has a defense, but it’s not all that clear to me. First, I just have a hard time believing him. I still think he probably tried to hold Martin until the police came, so Martin would not get away, and that started the physical confrontation. When Zimmerman started getting the worst of it, he pulled out his gun. But who knows. Even if everything Zimmerman says is true, there would never have been a confrontation if Zimmerman hadn’t pursued Martin, and chased him. I suspect that no matter what, Martin was a scared kid, who did nothing wrong, and got shot. At least there should have been a more thorough investigation. This is a difficult case, because I don’t believe there is a problem with Florida’s law, but I do see a problem with the way it was applied in this case. And did the police even consult with the state attorneys’ office? I haven’t seen any mention of it.

mbs on March 23, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Wait,
This is a gated community?

And exactly what was this kid doing there in the first place and being on suspension from school?

Cutting someone’s grass?

Delivering the paper?

Anyone?

Beuler?

Tenwheeler on March 23, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Atta boy, Barry. Just couldn’t pass up the opportunity to pile on and stir the pot, could you.

It’s going to be an interesting summer.

petefrt on March 23, 2012 at 1:52 PM

May Day should be interesting … and perhaps the occupation will renew …

MeatHeadinCA on March 23, 2012 at 1:55 PM

All white women better watch watch out. Using libfreeordie logic, all white women are in danger right now.

http://fox13now.com/2012/03/11/body-found-in-jordan-river/

angryed on March 23, 2012 at 1:55 PM

The shooter’s father is Jewish….just wait until Calypso Louis, the New Black Panthers, Al Sharpton, etc., find out about that! You’ll be able to cut the anti-semitism with an izmel.

Resist We Much on March 23, 2012 at 1:55 PM

The long hot summer just got longer and hotter…

d1carter on March 23, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Speaker Newt Gingrich, who told CNN’s Piers Morgan, last night, that “I think that Americans can recognize that while this is a tragedy, and it is a tragedy, that we’re going to relentlessly seek justice.

Can Newt say anything without adding unnecessary adjectives or adverbs?

HawaiiLwyr on March 23, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Why is the president of the United States even commenting on this?
If Martin were white would he make a statement or did he make a statement regarding the border agent killed by illegal weapons allowed to walk into Mexico by Ag holder?
And don’t forget,his mother was white.

foggybottom on March 23, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Admit it. You don’t know a single black person personally do you? If you did you would understand that black parents around this country have been expressing anxiety since this shooting because they have no idea if wearing a hoodie in a suburban, gated community could be a death sentence for their child. I grew up in suburban areas and my parents and I had a long sobering conversation this weekend. I could’ve been Trayvon. And I still can. I live in a very nice neighborhood, I go on evening jogs, sometimes I wear a hoodie. This scares the crap out of me. Its not narcissism.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

You are despicable.

But guess what, my son is bi-racial. Now I’ll let you guess which half of his parentage is black and which half is white.

ButterflyDragon on March 23, 2012 at 1:56 PM

The school has said that he was suspended for tardiness. What interest do they have in lying? Did you read the article I linked to?

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Again, you have trouble with reading comprehension. I w i l l t y p e t h i s s l o w l y.

Your link referenced a “teacher”, who would likely have no idea why the kid was suspended. My article referenced the kid’s father, who would know.

faraway on March 23, 2012 at 1:57 PM

You are despicable.

But guess what, my son is bi-racial. Now I’ll let you guess which half of his parentage is black and which half is white.

ButterflyDragon on March 23, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Do you fear the hoodie?

MeatHeadinCA on March 23, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Anybody on here trying to make justifications for Zimmerman is a total idiot. He was told not to pursue the kid and had Deputy Fife heeded those instructions it would not have ended the way it did. You don’t need jackwagons like this roaming the street with a loaded gun. There was no reason for confronting the kid. This is not Nazi Germany.

Southernblogger on March 23, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Zimmerman’s father, 64-year-old Robert Zimmerman of Lake Mary, delivered a one-page letter to the Sentinel on Thursday, saying that the depiction of his son in the media has been cruel and misleading.

George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says.

“He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever …,” the letter says. “The media portrayal of George as a racist could not be further from the truth.”

Ragspierre on March 23, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Speaker Newt Gingrich, who told CNN’s Piers Morgan, last night, that “I think that Americans can recognize that while this is a tragedy, and it is a tragedy, that we’re going to relentlessly seek justice.

Can Newt say anything without adding unnecessary adjectives or adverbs?

HawaiiLwyr on March 23, 2012 at 1:56 PM

You mean like severely conservative?

angryed on March 23, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Atta boy, Barry. Just couldn’t pass up the opportunity to pile on and stir the pot, could you.

petefrt on March 23, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Beats talking about $4 a gallon gas.

RasThavas on March 23, 2012 at 2:01 PM

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at xxxx

Sorry, libfree. You have zero credibility. Your blatant hatred for Hispanics, and your incessant lying, are pure ugliness.

HeatSeeker2011 on March 23, 2012 at 2:01 PM

And also for our resident race-baiters who have shifted their game from the Hispanic shooter to the supposedly racist SPD:

The race and ethnic and gender breakdown of the Sanford Police

A higher percentage of minorities in the SPD than in the State of Florida population.

batterup on March 23, 2012 at 2:01 PM

So I see someone on my property. I walk up to him and say what are you doing here. He start beating me up. You’re saying I can’t defend myself anymore because I walked up to him?

So what am I supposed to do then? If I talk to him I lose the right to defend my self. If I shoot him, without talking to him, I go to jail for shooting first and asking questions later.

Seems like no matter what, we don’t have the right to defend our property using your argument.

angryed on March 23, 2012 at 1:41 PM

First of all it’s not my argument, it’s what a judge will tell you. You can defend your property, that’s not what Zimmerman did. He confronted a guy walking down the street. That part isn’t even in dispute, the 911 call is evidence against his self defense claim. The judge won’t even allow him to bring up self defense as an argument.

Martin was acting in self defense when he swung on Zimmerman. If a guy is following me as I’m walking down the street I can claim I feel threatened and defend myself against him.

rndmusrnm on March 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM

ButterflyDragon on March 23, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Oh crap. That’s going to fry his circuits. The regular moral authority logic sequence won’t work anymore.

BadgerHawk on March 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Either Southernblogger, one of the most consistent conservative voices on this blog is a Sharpton-esque race baiter. Or there are a lot of white supremacist jack asses masquerading as conservatives. Which is it?

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Oh I get it. Having a peaceful protest march or speaking loudly in a megaphone = black people “going on a rampage.” So wearing a hoodie while black = a violent act that justifies lethal force in self defense. And black people collecting together and marching = going on a rampage. No wonder Zimmerman wasn’t arrested, there are two different sets of rules for black people and for everyone else in this country. My mistake, I won’t make it again.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Yes, clearly all non-black people are wannabe-cops like this Zimmerman fellow. They go around hunting black people in hoodies.

After all, that’s why you hear about it all the time on the news.

You’re self-righteous indignation is wearing thin.

The reason this is NEWS is because it doesn’t happen that often.

ButterflyDragon on March 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Sorry, libfree. You have zero credibility. Your blatant hatred for Hispanics, and your incessant lying, are pure ugliness.

HeatSeeker2011 on March 23, 2012 at 2:01 PM

He thinks Hispanics are guilty just because they are Hispanics.

RasThavas on March 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Obama asked a reporter to ask him the question about this kid.

Reporter complied.

Pravda is more credible than most all reporters in the U.S. of today.

Schadenfreude on March 23, 2012 at 2:03 PM

It’s becoming very obvious that gun owners, even paranoid trigger happy vigilantes like Zimmerman, face no consequences in our society. In fact it’s becoming politically incorrect to even challenge gun owner actions and beliefs.

Get shot? Then it’s your fault. Don’t wear a hoodie, don’t be on private property, don’t have your hands in your pockets, don’t be suspended from school, don’t be in the wrong place at the wrong time, don’t go out at night, don’t look at someone or something the wrong way, don’t be the wrong race or gender or SES, etc etc etc. The responsibility is NOT with the person pulling the trigger, but on the person who has the gun pointed in their face.

cornfedbubba on March 23, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Anybody on here trying to make justifications for Zimmerman is a total idiot. He was told not to pursue the kid and had Deputy Fife heeded those instructions it would not have ended the way it did. You don’t need jackwagons like this roaming the street with a loaded gun. There was no reason for confronting the kid. This is not Nazi Germany.

Southernblogger on March 23, 2012 at 1:59 PM

+1 Absolutely.

changer1701 on March 23, 2012 at 2:03 PM

And, of course justice will and should prevail. But Obama should not create unrest.

Schadenfreude on March 23, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Which is it?

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Either your are really a white gay guy or the Queen of Hearts. Which is it?

RasThavas on March 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM

From a political POV Obama acted very stupidly.

Zimmerman is Jewish and Hispanic. Beating up on him will make Jews and Hispanic in FL (and elsewhere) not too happy with him. Jesse!! and Sharpton will love the added attention of course. But what does that buy Obama vote wise? 99.99% if Jesse!! and Al’s followers are already Obama sycophants.

angryed on March 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM

ButterflyDragon on March 23, 2012 at 1:56 PM

I feel for any black child raised by parents who don’t teach him the meaning of race and racism in America. Good luck to him. He’ll need it.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM

And, of course justice will and should prevail. But Obama should not create unrest.

Schadenfreude on March 23, 2012 at 2:03 PM

He can’t help himself. Like the scorpion, it’s in his nature.

RasThavas on March 23, 2012 at 2:05 PM

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……………..

Akzed on March 23, 2012 at 1:22 PM

that doesn’t fit the LSM’s agenda or narrative…..

Dr. Demento on March 23, 2012 at 2:05 PM

someone ask prez about the French muslim terrorist that wasn’t a right wing Norwegian (for once!)

DHChron on March 23, 2012 at 2:06 PM

I feel for any black child raised by parents who don’t teach him the meaning of race and racism in America. Good luck to him. He’ll need it.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM

You need to get the beam out of your eye.

RasThavas on March 23, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Either Southernblogger, one of the most consistent conservative voices on this blog is a Sharpton-esque race baiter. Or there are a lot of white supremacist jack asses masquerading as conservatives. Which is it?

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Thanks for admitting Reverend Al is a race baiter. That wasn’t so hard now, was it?

Professor Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit asked these very simple questions this morning. Care to respond?

… I am puzzled by one thing: Dem groups are flogging this because they think it’s good for them, but how can it help Obama — who ran as a post-racial figure who would help America put its racial divisions to bed, a sort of anti-Al Sharpton — to have Al Sharpton leading protests and Louis Farrakhan threatening violence?

Sure, it stirs up the base, or part of it anyway — how Florida Latino voters respond may be different — but doesn’t it just add to the unfavorable contrast between Obama 2008 and Obama in 2012? Or are Sharpton, et al., basically tossing Obama’s interests aside to pursue their own? And is that some sort of indicator itself?

Del Dolemonte on March 23, 2012 at 2:06 PM

The story isn’t that an unarmed teenager was murdered by an adult male who pursued him after even being told to stand down.

The story was the lack of an complete investigation and justice not being served.

This story is awful and trying to minimize it and make it political is awful. We really all can’t agree that this shouldn’t have happened?

LawnGnomeFanFirst on March 23, 2012 at 2:07 PM

The reason this is NEWS is because it doesn’t happen that often.

ButterflyDragon on March 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM

But in the mind of libfreeordie every white person secretly wishes to be Zimmerman for a day. Or something.

angryed on March 23, 2012 at 2:07 PM

I feel for any black child raised by parents who don’t teach him the meaning of race and racism in America. Good luck to him. He’ll need it.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM

this is funny. Here’s a great vid of a youth steeped in race and racism since she was born most likely.

DHChron on March 23, 2012 at 2:08 PM

I feel for any black child raised by parents who don’t teach him the meaning of race and racism in America. Good luck to him. He’ll need it.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Like O’bama’s parents, mainly his mother and grandmother, taught him to Hate America?

We all saw how that worked out.

Del Dolemonte on March 23, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Zimmerman is Jewish and Hispanic. Beating up on him will make Jews and Hispanic in FL (and elsewhere) not too happy with him.

angryed on March 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM

This seems to be the ultimate crime to some black people, and faux black people, being Jewish and Hispanic.

RasThavas on March 23, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Right, so when HuffingtonPost publishes election results I’ll just assume they’ve altered them or something. Since they can not every convey the truth.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Pretty much on the ticket, monkeynuts…Anything said by liberals, in any medium, is automatically considered a lie, to be proven true at the audiences’ discretion, unless they have better things to do…like take a nap.

And where was all the outrage when those black monsters (yup, I said it) tortured for days, mutilated, raped, and killed Channon Cristian and Christopher Newsom. Where was all the media outrage? Where was the rightous fury?

You g*ddamn liberals make me sick.

MooCowBang on March 23, 2012 at 2:09 PM

The story isn’t that an unarmed teenager was murdered by an adult male who pursued him after even being told to stand down.

The story was the lack of an complete investigation and justice not being served.

This story is awful and trying to minimize it and make it political is awful. We really all can’t agree that this shouldn’t have happened?

LawnGnomeFanFirst on March 23, 2012 at 2:07 PM

This definitely needs to be looked into, but Obama’s only using this to stir the base. He should focus on cutting the deficit while Florida figures this out.

MeatHeadinCA on March 23, 2012 at 2:09 PM

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Case study in how leftists think.

They only see race, genitalia and how someone wants to use his genitalia. It makes them feel superior. It’s how they make 98% of their assessments of any person or situation.

The poor Hispanic guy gets trumped because he just doesn’t have enough melanin in his skin to qualify for white leftist and black race-hustler help this time.

mankai on March 23, 2012 at 2:10 PM

This story is awful and trying to minimize it and make it political is awful. We really all can’t agree that this shouldn’t have happened?

LawnGnomeFanFirst on March 23, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Not when white racial resentment remains a central part of American conservatism.

Del Dolemonte on March 23, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Clearly I was being sarcastic around Sharpton, but fine, point to you or something. As for the politics of this. Its about values not always political expediency. It wasn’t politically expedient for Republicans to oppose the DADT repeal. Poll after poll showed support for allowing gays to serve, and the GOP still opposed it. Anti-gay discrimmination is one of the GOP’s values. Dem-linked groups who are promoting this aren’t doing so for political reasons. I don’t see how this helps Democrats, since Republicans have also come out against the Sanford PD. In fact the only people anywhere who are defending the Sanford PD and Zimmerman is the extreme right within the conservative movement.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:11 PM

This story is awful and trying to minimize it and make it political is awful. We really all can’t agree that this shouldn’t have happened?

LawnGnomeFanFirst on March 23, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Exactly. I think Rep West had a good response to this. It was a completely avoidable situation.

The attempts to politicize it are ridiculous.

BadgerHawk on March 23, 2012 at 2:11 PM

I feel for any black child raised by parents who don’t teach him the meaning of race and racism in America. Good luck to him. He’ll need it.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM

I feel for any child, period, brought up in a liberal household. More than likely they will grow up to be prison inmates, gay, beholden to working Americans, or some such form of leech, sucking the lifeblood out of America.

MooCowBang on March 23, 2012 at 2:12 PM

I remember there was a young black kid in Chicago, good student, caught in the middle of a gang fight, hit on the head and left to die….by another black kid. Where was Al Sharpton then?

ctmom on March 23, 2012 at 2:12 PM

But in the mind of libfreeordie every white person secretly wishes to be Zimmerman for a day. Or something.

angryed on March 23, 2012 at 2:07 PM

They’re all out to get him.

RasThavas on March 23, 2012 at 2:12 PM

It would be interesting to hear what Bernard Goetz might have to say about this.

The president should have kept his mouth shut. Same outspoken irresponsibility in the White House as he did when siding with Fluke although on that Zero likely was following the script.

The fact that sleazy Eric Holder is getting involved does not inspire confidence that truth will be the findings. He’s as much for drama as his ex-boss Janet Reno whose justification for killing about 80 never quite passed muster.

viking01 on March 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM

George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says.

“He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever …,” the letter says. “The media portrayal of George as a racist could not be further from the truth.”

Ragspierre on March 23, 2012 at 2:00 PM

I hate the playing of the race card, but honestly…what made him suspicious of Martin in the first place? I think it’s fair to ask that question. I don’t know that race had anything to do with it…maybe it was, stupidly, just the hoodie that caught Zimmerman’s attention. But, it’s fair to ask what played a role in deciding to follow Martin in the first place.

The bottom line to me is that this unarmed kid was pursued, accosted, and killed for apparently no reason. I don’t like the mob outrage and the likes of Al Sharpton latching onto it for their own personal gain, but I do get people being genuinely angry about it. It makes no sense that this guy has been allowed to walk.

changer1701 on March 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM

In fact the only people anywhere who are defending the Sanford PD and Zimmerman is the extreme right within the conservative movement.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:

You wouldn’t know a fact if it bit you on your racist little butt…

sandee on March 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM

I feel for any black child raised by parents who don’t teach him the meaning of race and racism in America. Good luck to him. He’ll need it.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Thanks to you leftists, the chances of a black child having both parents in his life are pretty slim.

mankai on March 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Come on Comet of Death.
Can you speed up a bit?

The wanton ignorance, stupidity and insanity has reached the tipping point here at Hot Air; So I can’t imagine how bad it is out in the rest of the nation.

LegendHasIt on March 23, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Not when white racial resentment remains a central part of American conservatism.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Yet you’re the one obsessed with race, including assigning it as a ‘central part’ of conservatism, and trying to inject it as a primary motivator in this case despite a lack of evidence to support your claims.

BadgerHawk on March 23, 2012 at 2:14 PM

The bottom line to me is that this unarmed kid was pursued, accosted, and killed for apparently no reason. I don’t like the mob outrage and the likes of Al Sharpton latching onto it for their own personal gain, but I do get people being genuinely angry about it. It makes no sense that this guy has been allowed to walk.

changer1701 on March 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM

I agree.

mbs on March 23, 2012 at 2:15 PM

I feel for any black child raised by parents who don’t teach him the meaning of race and racism in America. Good luck to him. He’ll need it.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Actually, my son is being raised to be a responsible young adult that doesn’t look at race as an type of qualifying factor for anything.

Perhaps you should drag yourself off that cross and get busy living a fruitful life?

ButterflyDragon on March 23, 2012 at 2:15 PM

I feel for any child, period, brought up in a liberal household. More than likely they will grow up to be prison inmates, gay, beholden to working Americans, or some such form of leech, sucking the lifeblood out of America.

MooCowBang on March 23, 2012 at 2:12 PM

You can add “hate-filled racists” to the list.

Want to change libfree from a fact-free racist defender of Martin to someone who says, “Martin had it coming to him”? Tell libfree that Martin was coming home from a Tea Party rally.

HeatSeeker2011 on March 23, 2012 at 2:15 PM

I wonder if the lefties think Barry should have said something about the slaughter of Neda Agha-Soltan while he was devouring frozen treats.

MeatHeadinCA on March 23, 2012 at 2:16 PM

“I guess it would get the scant coverage this story got

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117695/Brutal-home-invasion-Oklahoma-couple-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.htmlesnap on March 23, 2012 at 1:06 PM”

Would it be that Zimmerman could have put a couple in this scumbag’s forehead before he did this heinous act. As it stands, this scumbag will probably get a nod from Obozo the Racist letting us know what a disadvantaged childhood this scumbag had and we all need to help him out with more social programs.

NOMOBO on March 23, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Thanks to you leftists, the chances of a black child having both parents in his life are pretty slim.

mankai on March 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM

said black child is lucky to exist considering lefty support of eugenics factories.

DHChron on March 23, 2012 at 2:17 PM

And where was all the outrage when those black monsters (yup, I said it) tortured for days, mutilated, raped, and killed Channon Cristian and Christopher Newsom. Where was all the media outrage? Where was the rightous fury?

MooCowBang on March 23, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Oh but you still don’t understand. They didn’t look like Obama’s daughter and son! That is Channon and Christopher didn’t. That was a big error on their part. It wasn’t Obama’s fault.

VorDaj on March 23, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Would it be that Zimmerman could have put a couple in this scumbag’s forehead before he did this heinous act. As it stands, this scumbag will probably get a nod from Obozo the Racist letting us know what a disadvantaged childhood this scumbag had and we all need to help him out with more social programs.

NOMOBO on March 23, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Conservatism.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:18 PM

I hate the playing of the race card, but honestly…what made him suspicious of Martin in the first place? I think it’s fair to ask that question. I don’t know that race had anything to do with it…maybe it was, stupidly, just the hoodie that caught Zimmerman’s attention. But, it’s fair to ask what played a role in deciding to follow Martin in the first place.

The bottom line to me is that this unarmed kid was pursued, accosted, and killed for apparently no reason. I don’t like the mob outrage and the likes of Al Sharpton latching onto it for their own personal gain, but I do get people being genuinely angry about it. It makes no sense that this guy has been allowed to walk.

changer1701 on March 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM

In one of the calls he tells the dispatcher that the kid looks suspicious because he’s just walking around in the rain.

The dispatcher asks if the kid is black and Zimmerman says he doesn’t know. He thinks he might be.

So, it’s not like he saw a black kid and decided to go all ape on him.

Bottom line is this is a wannabe cop who’s itching for drama all the time.

He needs to be sitting in jail awaiting trial in my opinion.

ButterflyDragon on March 23, 2012 at 2:18 PM

The story isn’t that an unarmed teenager was murdered by an adult male who pursued him after even being told to stand down.

The story was the lack of an complete investigation and justice not being served.

This story is awful and trying to minimize it and make it political is awful. We really all can’t agree that this shouldn’t have happened?

LawnGnomeFanFirst on March 23, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Yes, but mostly it’s about everyone not focusing on gas prices, obamacare’s anniversary, foreclosures, unemployment, etc…

It’s being used to gin up resentment toward authorities and gun rights. The reality is Florida is a swing state full of Hispanics and Jewish people. If I were David Axelrod I would tread lightly trying to feed The Liberal base, anti cop & anti gun red meat.

Dr Evil on March 23, 2012 at 2:18 PM

I feel for any black child raised by parents who don’t teach him the meaning of race and racism in America. Good luck to him. He’ll need it.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM

So much for Martin Luther King’s dream.

Bitter Clinger on March 23, 2012 at 2:19 PM

This story is awful and trying to minimize it and make it political is awful. We really all can’t agree that this shouldn’t have happened?

LawnGnomeFanFirst on March 23, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Only ones making it Political are the Democrats. We’ve known how Awful they have been for decades.

Del Dolemonte on March 23, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Thanks to you leftists, the chances of a black child having both parents in his life are pretty slim.

mankai on March 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM

young black girls have every right to have sex, and get pregnant with boys/men that they know full well will never be a part of that child’s life in any meaningful way. you are racist, and ignornat. how dare you.

GhoulAid on March 23, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Perhaps you should drag yourself off that cross and get busy living a fruitful life?

ButterflyDragon on March 23, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Heh. You’re one of my new favorite commenters.

BadgerHawk on March 23, 2012 at 2:21 PM

I am pretty disappointed with col West. I could give 2 sh*ts about obummers opinion. But to claim that somehow the police had done something wrong or that this man (Zimmerman) had done something wrong is to try him in the court of public opinion. Last I checked obummer hadn’t done away with innocent until proven guilty clause in the constitution. The police there on scene made the decision that somehow what Zimmerman said held true to what the evidence at the scene. To sit here and now claim somehow that the police are in collusion with Zimmerman or are covering up what happened to me is a bit of a stretch.
I give credit to the cops,more than the media. They (the media )have been running hot n heavy with the “ HE had skittles n a coke”, ohhh aint he a sweet innocent child cause only saints eat skittles.

I don’t know what happened and in my opinion Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. If it is found that he murdered this person then he should have the book thrown at him. If the cops are covering for him then they should have the book thrown at them too. But everyone should have a cup of SHUT THE F*CK UP till it’s settled. They are just stirring and causing problems.

I do have to credit Col West where he said “Let’s all be appalled at this instance not because of race, but because a young American man has lost his life, seemingly, for no reason.”

Emphasis mine

I have a major problem with the media focusing on this incident and yet they don’t focus on the MOB attacks of blacks on whites. The double standard is just too much. It’s the same way that obummer got elected. The press ignored the facts and just went with he is black n cool we like black n cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjDChal6oCk
http://www.chicagonewsreport.com/2011/06/black-mob-attacks-predominately-white.html

ColdWarrior57 on March 23, 2012 at 2:21 PM

The bottom line to me is that this unarmed kid was pursued, accosted, and killed for apparently no reason.

changer1701 on March 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM

That was a quick trial and verdict. Fast even for a lynch mob.

VorDaj on March 23, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Would it be that Zimmerman could have put a couple in this scumbag’s forehead before he did this heinous act. As it stands, this scumbag will probably get a nod from Obozo the Racist letting us know what a disadvantaged childhood this scumbag had and we all need to help him out with more social programs.

NOMOBO on March 23, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Conservatism.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:18 PM

white racial resentment remains a central part of American conservatism.

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Liberalism.

F-

Del Dolemonte on March 23, 2012 at 2:23 PM

VorDaj on March 23, 2012 at 2:21 PM

hehe…quick maybe. Sounds about right though. Zimmerman should at least be in holding while an investigation is completed.

DHChron on March 23, 2012 at 2:25 PM

Clearly I was being sarcastic around Sharpton

- Clearly, you were not. But when you got called out on it…

but fine, point to you or something.

- Glad you finally had an epiphany.

As for the politics of this. Its about values not always political expediency.

- B*llshit. With liberals, it is always about political expediency.

It wasn’t politically expedient for Republicans to oppose the DADT repeal.

- WTF are you talking about. Conservatives came out in force for the sustainment of DADT. Liberals rammed it through with the help of yet another activist judge. Your attempt to rewrite history, yet again, falls short of jumping the shark.

Poll after poll showed support for allowing gays to serve, and the GOP still opposed it.

- Once again, youre f*cking up history. Gays were already serving in the military. DADT was designed so that nobody would give a crap, and they werent allowed to disrupt operations with their gay agenda. Noone in the military is allowed to do that. But with the repeal of DADT, now gays can go ahead and flaunt their perverse values, without any fear of criminalization.

Anti-gay discrimmination is one of the GOP’s values.

- Prove it.

Dem-linked groups who are promoting this aren’t doing so for political reasons.

- Is there another reason that derpocrats and liberals do anything at all? Political expediency is their nom-de-guer.

I don’t see how this helps Democrats, since Republicans have also come out against the Sanford PD.

- Republicans have not come out against the Sanford PD. Republicans have called for an investigation. Nobody treats cops better than conservatives. We understand the challenges they face. Unlike barry sotero, who without trial or facts, immediately called cops stupid, for acting in the line of duty, then tried to cover it up by holding some sort of “come together moment” with cheap beer.

In fact the only people anywhere who are defending the Sanford PD and Zimmerman is the extreme right within the conservative movement.

- Jeebus on a woodpile…where do you see any “extreme right” conservative movement defending anyone? Please show facts, or attach links, or display pages. No? Didnt think so. Please refer to the above statement about trying to rewrite history. You are douchebaggery at its finest…

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:11 PM

MooCowBang on March 23, 2012 at 2:26 PM

I do have to credit Col West where he said “Let’s all be appalled at this instance not because of race, but because a young American man has lost his life, seemingly, for no reason.”

ColdWarrior57 on March 23, 2012 at 2:21 PM

West should have at least waited until the Hispanic (and Jewish?) guy got to testify before reaching a verdict (even weaseling with ‘seemingly”) on the reason.

VorDaj on March 23, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Liberalism.

F-

Del Dolemonte on March 23, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Solid B+

libfreeordie on March 23, 2012 at 2:27 PM

DHChron on March 23, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Obama is trying to taint a jury. Always the community agitator.

viking01 on March 23, 2012 at 2:27 PM

And also for our resident race-baiters who have shifted their game from the Hispanic shooter to the supposedly racist SPD:

The race and ethnic and gender breakdown of the Sanford Police

A higher percentage of minorities in the SPD than in the State of Florida population.

batterup on March 23, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Which makes sense in a town with a higher percentage of minorities than in the general Florida population as well.

Immolate on March 23, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Obama is trying to taint a jury. Always the community agitator.

viking01 on March 23, 2012 at 2:27 PM

+1. Yep.

HeatSeeker2011 on March 23, 2012 at 2:29 PM

I think we’re officially reached the point in the thread where the chances for fruitful right vs. left conversation have dropped to zero.

libfree- I think you’d be a lot happier if you didn’t go out of your way to view everything through the prism of race. Not everyone’s an angel, but most aren’t demons either.

BadgerHawk on March 23, 2012 at 2:30 PM

So, it’s not like he saw a black kid and decided to go all ape on him.

Bottom line is this is a wannabe cop who’s itching for drama all the time.

He needs to be sitting in jail awaiting trial in my opinion.

ButterflyDragon on March 23, 2012 at 2:18 PM

No, I don’t believe he was just patrolling the neighborhood looking for black kids to shoot, or anything like that.

But yeah, he definitely should be in jail.

changer1701 on March 23, 2012 at 2:30 PM

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