Santorum spokewoman says he’ll support Romney if nominee … Update: Santorum statement added

posted at 10:25 am on March 23, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

As walkbacks go, this isn’t exactly … enthusiastic. Will it be enough to get Rick Santorum off the hook?

On CNN’s Starting Point, [Alice] Stewart defended the candidate’s comments Thursday in which he said: “We might as well stay with what we have” in Obama, rather than elect Romney.

“What we have with Mitt Romney is… a mirror image of Barack Obama,” Stewart said. “Both believe in government takeover of health care, cap and trade, big government spending, Wall Street bailout.” …

But later in the show, when pressed on how Santorum could support Romney if he’s saying he’s the same as Obama, Stewart responded:  “Rick has made it abundantly clear once a nominee is chosen he’ll stand behind the nominee and do everything we can to replace Barack Obama.”

Call this one a half-walkback.  Some of Santorum’s defenders claim that he meant that voters would react that way if given a choice between Obama and Romney.  Matt Lewis makes that argument pretty well, but uses the same paragraph I did in the excerpt:

“You win by giving people a choice. You win by giving people the opportunity to see a different vision for our country, not someone who’s just going to be a little different than the person in there. If you’re going to be a little different, we might as well stay with what we have instead of taking a risk with what may be the Etch A Sketch candidate of the future,” Santorum told a crowd at USAA.

Well, if Santorum meant that’s what others would think, he certainly didn’t make that explicit in the statement.  It’s an arguable point, but interestingly, not one that Alice Stewart bothered to make on CNN, apparently. They’re still arguing that there isn’t any difference between Romney and Obama, but that Santorum will stick with a Republican rather than a Democrat.  Contrast that with Newt Gingrich’s consistent argument that everyone in the GOP race would be a quantum improvement on Obama, but that he’s more quantum than the rest — a perfectly legitimate argument, even if one doesn’t agree with Gingrich’s self-assessment.

This statement is an improvement over yesterday, but it’s not exactly an apology, either.  (via Keder on Twitter)

Update: Senator Santorum has given Hot Air this statement in response:

“I would never vote for Barack Obama over any Republican and to suggest otherwise is preposterous. This is just another attempt by the Romney Campaign to distort and distract the media and voters from the unshakeable fact that many of Romney’s policies mirror Barack Obama’s.  I was simply making the point that there is a huge enthusiasm gap around Mitt Romney and it’s easy to see why – Romney has sided with Obama on healthcare mandates, cap-and-trade, and the Wall Street bailouts.  Voters have to be excited enough to actually go vote, and my campaign’s movement to restore freedom is exciting this nation.  If this election is about Obama versus the Obama-Lite candidate, we have a tough time rallying this nation.  It’s time for bold vision, bold reforms and bold contrasts.  This election is about more than Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, or Rick Santorum – this campaign is about freedom and I will fight to restore your freedoms.”


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2 3 4 5

Santorum’s statement doesn’t help a whole lot.

OK, he’s said he’ll never vote for Obama over any Republican. He didn’t say he’d vote for Romney (he could just not vote) or that he’d support Romney.

I guess it’s better than saying I will support and vote for Obama….

However, the rest of the statement is just another Santorum whine.

It’s over, Rick. Go Home. Spend some time with your family. Find a real job.

CatoRenasci on March 23, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Oh, so the guy who wants to arrest you for watching porn in your hotel room is now the great defender of liberty?

Yeah, okay. Sure.

Hayabusa on March 23, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Keep hyping that lie. It’s working well for you.

JannyMae on March 23, 2012 at 12:28 PM

I think Romney is going to see his election, if he somehow beats Obama, and I’m skeptical baout that, as a mandate for moderation.

Moderation tends to look like liberalism.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Of course it’s not an apology. It’s a clarification.

He said that Romney did not offer a clear reason to pick him over “the devil we know.” Romney partisans jump on the comment to claim he’s saying Obama is better than Romney — or, even more ludicrous, that Santorum has “endorsed” Obama.

This is just a statement that no, he’s not saying that Obama is better than Romney, or pledging to support Obama.

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 23, 2012 at 10:38 AM

This is all true, but he shouldn’t have said it in the first place. It’s a major mistake.

JannyMae on March 23, 2012 at 12:31 PM

If a very liberal politicain like Romney can get Republican voters to vote for him, why is it realistic to think he will think he needs to change? We are going to vote for him despite his liberal record. That’s a signal that we don’t relaly have that much of a problem with it, isn’t it? Seems that way to me.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:31 PM

If Santorum had come out in support of sodomy and for government instrusion and mandates in healthcare, he would be our nominee.

Sodomy is a core value of most Republican voters.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:32 PM

“I would never vote for Barack Obama over any Republican and to suggest otherwise is preposterous. This is just another attempt by the Romney Campaign to distort and distract the media and voters from the unshakeable fact that many of Romney’s policies mirror Barack Obama’s.  I was simply making the point that there is a huge enthusiasm gap around Mitt Romney and it’s easy to see why – Romney has sided with Obama on healthcare mandates, cap-and-trade, and the Wall Street bailouts.  Voters have to be excited enough to actually go vote, and my campaign’s movement to restore freedom is exciting this nation.  If this election is about Obama versus the Obama-Lite candidate, we have a tough time rallying this nation.  It’s time for bold vision, bold reforms and bold contrasts.  This election is about more than Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, or Rick Santorum – this campaign is about freedom and I will fight to restore your freedoms.”

He said, while crying.

HB3 on March 23, 2012 at 12:33 PM

There is no point in arguing with haters like Dr. Terrible, danielvito, very angry ed, etc.

Their comments don’t come from a functioning intelligence, willing and able to examine anything in an objective manner. They emanate from pure emotion, an irrationality born out of reflexive hatred for Mitt Romney.

What there is of their minds was made up and nailed shut ages ago. As they see Romney marching toward the nomination, they become more and more unhinged.

ABR. Even if it’s Obama. So why bother with them?

Same goes for Santorum. No point in trying to spin what he said, although it’s not surprising that his loyal sycophants at HA are trying.

Every Romney misstep, including those of his campaign staff, gets blown out of proportion and supposedly presents new evidence why the man is even worse than the Worst POTUS Ever.

But Rick tries to walk back a tacit endorsement of Obama over Romney and all should be forgiven?

Santorum is a loser in every sense of the word. Write that on your Etch-A-Sketch, Ricky.

Meredith on March 23, 2012 at 12:33 PM

FlaMurph on March 23, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Are you saying Romneycare & Obamacare aren’t the same. if you are, I have some swamp land in iran to sell you!

Danielvito on March 23, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Romney’s the master of playing both sides. He’s a gadfly, and to trust a gadfly is always folly.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:34 PM

I’ll vote for a box of rocks over Obama.

A box of rocks won’t veto anything.

A box of rocks won’t ‘reach across the aisle’ or seek ‘bi-partisanship’.

A box of rocks forces lower level decision-makers to actually figure out the right thing to do and be held accountable for their decisions as they will not be shielded from them.

A box of rocks needs no czars, gets no cabinet, and appoints no judges.

There are many ways in a which a box of rocks in the POTUS position would force Congress to actually DO ITS JOB.

Yes, indeed, I would vote for a box of rocks over Obama.

Now all Republicans have to do is find someone who is better than a box of rocks.

ajacksonian on March 23, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Just go home now Senator Sweater-Vest.

The Opinionator on March 23, 2012 at 12:34 PM

my campaign’s movement to restore freedom is exciting this nation.

Really, Rick ?! Really ? Sorry, but your campaign is not even exciting more than a minority of Republican primary voters in most states, let ALONE the “nation”.

Delusions of grandeur much ?

deadrody on March 23, 2012 at 12:36 PM

I do not accept or believe Santorum. He waited until he read all the news articles before he walked it back which means he does not believe what he is saying.

Also, apparently all the Santorum folks are out in numbers saying this is not a big deal even though this subject has garnered over 2500 comments on 3 post. Santorum made an unforgivable mistake and his walk back sucked to be quite frank.

ArkyDore on March 23, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Meredith on March 23, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Where all terrible conservatives yet your supporting a liberal who enacted sociolism!

Romneycare has made all you mittbots liberals and you don’t even realize it!

Danielvito on March 23, 2012 at 12:36 PM

I dont know anybody can assert with confidence that ROmney will be better than Obama. How do we know until we elect him? He’s been all over the place in his rhetoric, and his record in political power was extremely liberal.

You act like doubting Romney is like doubting Michael Jordan was good at basketball.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Romney will have a second election to worry about, and if we do our part and elect a conservative congress he will have that to keep him honest. At least having an election for a second term to worry about will make him better than Obama.

Even with a conservative Congress there is nothing stopping Obama from wreaking havoc with his “we can’t wait” attitude and his consistent ignoring of the Constitution. Boehner just doesn’t have the balls to keep Obama from running away with it.

Mitt is a problem solver, he is far more likely to meet with both sides of the aisle and work towards GOVERNING. Unlike Obama who is working on IDEOLOGY.

Governing is about meeting in the middle, it’s not about Purity. It’s about doing what’s best for the country, not about saying “I Won”, and throwing a temper tantrum; or trying to do an end run around Congress and the Constitution to get your IDEOLOGICAL PURE projects done.

There will be a budget passed under a President Romney, under Obama you can expect four more years of “Deemed Budget”. Obamacare will be repealed under President Romney, no so much under Obama. You can expect an expansion of drilling under Romney, not so much under Obama.

You go ahead and believe that the guy who voted PRESENT in Illinois and had never accomplished a damn thing in his life is the same as the successful Wall Street Businessman. However, nobody else is believing your load of crap.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on March 23, 2012 at 12:37 PM

The good thing about ROmney losing is he won’t be about to run again in 2016 b/c the only thing he can pitch is electablity and that’s always been a bogus argument based on speculation and political calculations that can’t be proved.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:37 PM

try to employ some nuance and sarcasm in conversation…it’s fun and easy!

DHChron on March 23, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Is that how you apologize? Maybe your “nuance and sarcasm” is not s noticeable and you come off looking like a fool for making statement you can’t back up…
Here is sarcasm: I missed your /sarc tag, guess I need glasses…/s

Get it? No you don’t or won’t…

right2bright on March 23, 2012 at 12:37 PM

One man is an avowed Alinksyite radical, one has saved businesses and created jobs in the private sector.

Yup. Exactly the same!

blatantblue on March 23, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Sorry, but saying that Romney is “NOTHING like Obama” is just as ludicrous as saying he’s “just like Obama.”

JannyMae on March 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:37 PM

If he doesn’t win, what do you bet it will be his most profitable year as a “consultant”…

right2bright on March 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Oh, so the guy who wants to arrest you for watching porn in your hotel room is now the great defender of liberty?

Yeah, okay. Sure.

Hayabusa on March 23, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Keep hyping that lie. It’s working well for you.

JannyMae on March 23, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Really ? That’s a “LIE” ?

If Rick Santorum thinks that porn is “obscene”, then he believes it is against the law. Therefore, that is not a lie, unless you know for a FACT that Rick Santorum does not think porn played in hotel rooms is decidedly NOT obscene.

Do you know that for a fact ?

deadrody on March 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM

The reality is we are all going to be voting for Romney not knowing what we are getting and just hoping it’s better than Obama. It may be better than Obama, but I do think right now we need much better than Obama. A half-liberal Republican as president will be a disaster, not as much as Obama, but a disaster. If we still end up with Obamacare in some form or another, Obama was never defeated.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:39 PM

“I would never vote for Barack Obama over any Republican and to suggest otherwise is preposterous. This is just another attempt by the Romney Campaign to distort and distract the media and voters from the unshakeable fact that many of Romney’s policies mirror Barack Obama’s. I was simply making the point that there is a huge enthusiasm gap around Mitt Romney and it’s easy to see why – Romney has sided with Obama on healthcare mandates, cap-and-trade, and the Wall Street bailouts. Voters have to be excited enough to actually go vote, and my campaign’s movement to restore freedom is exciting this nation. If this election is about Obama versus the Obama-Lite candidate, we have a tough time rallying this nation. It’s time for bold vision, bold reforms and bold contrasts. This election is about more than Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, or Rick Santorum – this campaign is about freedom and I will fight to restore your freedoms.”

Excellent. Just like I thought.

Can we all drop the pretense now that Santorum was talking about endorsing Obama over Romney instead of talking about the electorate staying home when faced with Obamacare lite?

Or are we going to feed into the Romney and liberal media narrative?

Again!

Elisa on March 23, 2012 at 12:40 PM


If a very liberal politicain like Romney can get Republican voters to vote for him, why is it realistic to think he will think he needs to change? We are going to vote for him despite his liberal record. That’s a signal that we don’t relaly have that much of a problem with it, isn’t it? Seems that way to me.

Yes, this is why I could never vote for or support Romney in any way, ever. I will always refuse the invitation to say that I am OK with a program of policy like RomneyCare by voting for, or supporting, its very author.

casuist on March 23, 2012 at 12:41 PM

People forget Romney was against pornography and cracking down it not that long ago.

So all the Romney Zombies working that talking point are uninformed and hypocrites.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:41 PM

It’s not just about defeating Obama, it’s about reversing what’s he done.

That’s why it would be preferable to have somebody who didn’t implement the same thing as Obamacare at the state level. I don’t understand people who don’t get the logic of this.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Editing a campaign IS editing policy positions. It is pushing some issues on the back burner, pushing some up front. It is changing positions on some things entirely. It’s the nature of the beast, for any candidate.

blatantblue on March 23, 2012 at 11:09 AM

All the more reason to not trust what Romney is saying now. No?

JannyMae on March 23, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Get it? No you don’t or won’t…

right2bright on March 23, 2012 at 12:37 PM

I get it’s too much to ask for from an irrational SoCon whom believes Ricky is conservative.

DHChron on March 23, 2012 at 12:45 PM

When RomneySantorum loses to ObamaRomney, don’t blame it on Santorum us. :)

We told you so.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Fixed it for you.

You are welcome.

Gunlock Bill on March 23, 2012 at 12:45 PM

deadrody on March 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Santorum is correct. The laws are still on the books. What’s changed is the culture. It is the left who have been moving the line. It has to stop moving soon or people will be marrying goats.

He was really stupid to bring it up as a campaign issue though.

gh on March 23, 2012 at 12:45 PM

guess who needs sarc tags right2bright? Idiots

DHChron on March 23, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Romney has never backed off RomneyCare being a good idea.

Tina Korbe ha]d an excellent post about this yesterday. That’s the problem with Romney. He’s flip floppe don everything else except the thing that is hurting him the most. Why make RomneyCare the hill to die on? I don’t get it.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Most of the opposition to Santorum is from the social liberals who support abortion and gay stuff.

That’s all it’s ever been. It’s not his oppositoin to free trade and stuff like that. It’s the fact he’s not wild about sodomy and abortion.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM

right2bright on March 23, 2012 at 12:23 PM

With all due respect, Andrew Moylan at the National Taxpayer’s Union rebutted Santorum’s claims about their rating. The claim that Santorum was the most fiscally conservative Senator during his 12-year tenure was made by Jeffrey Anderson at The Weekly Standard, after looking at the NTU’s data. The rebuttal is here. In short, Rick did well, but not that well, unlike Dr. No, Ron Paul, whose record is exemplary.

Rick Santorum’s reputation for fiscal conservatism rests mainly on his tax-cutting record. On spending, he’s a mess. Like I said, I’d rather vote for a guy who balanced the budget in a liberal state by holding the line on spending, lowering taxes, and raising some user fees; than for a guy who helped put us in hock to China for trillions.

Mr. Arkadin on March 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I know the comments section at Hotair is essentially RomneyCentral so don’t take it personally if I play devil’s advocate a bit.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:50 PM

I will kneel before Romney when it is time. It is known.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:50 PM

“I would never vote for Barack Obama over any Republican and to suggest otherwise is preposterous. This is just another attempt by the Romney Campaign to distort and distract the media and voters from the unshakeable fact that many of Romney’s policies mirror Barack Obama’s. I was simply making the point that there is a huge enthusiasm gap around Mitt Romney and it’s easy to see why – Romney has sided with Obama on healthcare mandates, cap-and-trade, and the Wall Street bailouts. Voters have to be excited enough to actually go vote, and my campaign’s movement to restore freedom is exciting this nation. If this election is about Obama versus the Obama-Lite candidate, we have a tough time rallying this nation. It’s time for bold vision, bold reforms and bold contrasts. This election is about more than Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, or Rick Santorum – this campaign is about freedom and I will fight to restore your freedoms.”

Santorum is right on. You political junkies are under the mistaken assumption that the general populace is going to go to the polls for Obama light. People want someone they can enthusiastically support. They want a clear difference. Now is not the time to nominate a lackluster RINO. Romney will not win.

fight like a girl on March 23, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Now all Republicans have to do is find someone who is better than a box of rocks.

ajacksonian on March 23, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Romney is better than a box of rocks. Since he’s won, the only thing that makes sense is to get on board. If you don’t support him before he wins you will have no leverage afterwards. People like Limbaugh and Levin will be backing Romney 100% as soon as Santorum gives up. It will be well before the convention. This is Santorum’s critical mistake. The longer he stays in now the more opportunity he has to damage his future prospects.

The people who dislike Santorum should be pulling for him to follow Newt’s lead. Newt has nothing to lose. It’s his last chance.

gh on March 23, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Santorum has been engaged in a long campaign with Romney. I don’t see why we have to string him up for some statement nobody is going to remember a few weeks ago. He said hw as going to support Romney if he’s the nominee. Accept that.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:53 PM

I would never vote for Barack Obama over any Republican and to suggest otherwise is preposterous.

LMAO! Yeah, we just pulled that “suggestion” out of our @ss, it isn’t like it was based on anything Santorum actually said. And the Romney campaign didn’t have to “distort” anything, we can all believe our lying eyes.

Santorum’s response shows he can’t take responsibility for the things he actually says — blames us for the preposterous suggestion, blames the Romney campaign, who didn’t distort anything as Santorum’s words spoke for themselves and, in his denial he still insists there is no difference between Romney in Obama. His response hasn’t helped him at all, IMO.

Dark Star on March 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM

It’s about forgiveness, forgivennes, even if, even if, you don’t love Santy anymore.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:50 PM

To be honest, if anything it’s Palin central.

But she didn’t run.

gh on March 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM

While I agree with Rick Santorum on a lot of issues, he was wrong to say that. An unfettered Obama presidency should scare the dickens out of any Conservative… ie. Supreme Court nominations? No way Romney would ever appoint more liberal justices than Obama. With the generally public who don’t pay much attention to politics except perhaps to watch the debates, Romney does have a shot at getting their vote because Obama has a pretty lousy record to defend, even with Romneycare canceling out Obamacare.

poli-nana on March 23, 2012 at 12:55 PM

To be honest, if anything it’s Palin central.

But she didn’t run.

gh on March 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM

More like dump on Palin central with some Palin supporters thrown in. but they are window dressing to the ROmney Zombies on here.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:55 PM

This is just another attempt by the Romney Campaign to distort and distract the media and voters…

whaaaaa boo hoo

No sweatervest it’s not Romney’s fault you say very stupid things. It’s bound to happen when you’re desperate and talk too much.
The guy is a mirror image of Barry in that he doesn’t feel accountable for anything he says or does. Next he’ll issue a statement crying about how it isn’t fair that Romney’s campaign is clearly in the tank for Romney.

Somebody give Lil Ricky a gold painted trophy already just for participating.

Buttercup on March 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Let’s just shoot Santorum in the head and be done with him. He’s got to go.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM

The reality is we are all going to be voting for Romney not knowing what we are getting and just hoping it’s better than Obama. It may be better than Obama, but I do think right now we need much better than Obama. A half-liberal Republican as president will be a disaster, not as much as Obama, but a disaster. If we still end up with Obamacare in some form or another, Obama was never defeated.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:39 PM

True, but a Romney win may also be worse for the GOP and Conservative Movement in the longer term.

In retrospect, having Ford lose to Carter in 1976 was a good thing, it made 8 years of Reagan possible.
I would also argue that Bush’s relection in 2004 gave us Obama in 2008. If Kerry had won in 2004, no Democratic takeover of COngress in 2006, and no ObamaCare.

Norwegian on March 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM

oops … should be general public who doesn’t pay much attention…

poli-nana on March 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM

I always tell all my boys to put two in the brain, just to make sure.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Now all Republicans have to do is find someone who is better than a box of rocks.

ajacksonian on March 23, 2012 at 12:34 PM

No, no! You’ve made the case! Rocks rock! SIM* for PREZ!

*sedimentary, igneous, and metamorphic

de rigueur on March 23, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Santorum threatnes freedom every time he opens his mouth.

Death to Santorum! String him up!

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Romeny Romney Romney USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Most of the opposition to Santorum is from the social liberals who support abortion and gay stuff.

That’s all it’s ever been. It’s not his oppositoin to free trade and stuff like that. It’s the fact he’s not wild about sodomy and abortion.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM

So I’m a social Liberal? I served under Reagan for six years. What were you doing?

My opposition to Santorum is that he’s an inept politician and more concerned about his own fortunes than in ours. He’s still a thousand times better than Obama, but that’s a low hurdle to clear.

Immolate on March 23, 2012 at 1:00 PM

So I’m a social Liberal? I served under Reagan for six years. What were you doing?

My opposition to Santorum is that he’s an inept politician and more concerned about his own fortunes than in ours. He’s still a thousand times better than Obama, but that’s a low hurdle to clear.

Immolate on March 23, 2012 at 1:00 PM

I was sucking at my momma’s teet. I don’t apologize for that, it was all instinct.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Doesn’t Congress have to REPEAL Obie Care first?

FlaMurph on March 23, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Doesn’t the congress follow the president’s lead? Isn’t that how we ended up with Obamacare in the first place?

Mitt says he will issue waivers to all 50 states, and then “work toward repealing it.” He has also said, regarding Obamacare, “I hope we’re ultimately able to eliminate some of the differences, and repeal the bad and keep the good.”

That makes me nervous, based on his continued defense of the (in my opinion indefensible) Massachusetts health care bill.

JannyMae on March 23, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Yeah, I’m sure Romney’s not concerned about his own political ambition at all. Santorum is unique in that regard. :)

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM

My question for Santorum: if Romney is a “mirror image of Obama,” and you can’t beat Romney among GOP voters, why should we believe you’ll be able to defeat Obama in a general election?

DRayRaven on March 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM

poly sci 101 unfortunately – move to the right then move to the center

DHChron on March 23, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Personally, my two cents on this is that Mitt never intended to “move right” because the “true conservative” “right” was more than well represented by the likes of Santorum, Gingrich, Perry, and Bachman. Mitt was never going to compete with them for the title of “true conservative”. Instead, Mitt maintained his centrist leaning and allowed the rest of the “true conservatives” to split the rest of the vote. A wise and effective strategy, actually.

A lot of people seem to lose sight of the goal here, which is to WIN. If you think any of the candidates think they are “winning” through minor moral victories while losing elections, you are sadly mistaken.

deadrody on March 23, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Romney puts the country before his own political ambition. Smirk.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Romney will repeal Obamacare if Congress sends him a bill to sign. Simple as that.

gerrym51 on March 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Exactly right.

cicerone on March 23, 2012 at 11:48 AM

I wish I had the same confidence you two do.

JannyMae on March 23, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Romney only ran for president b/c he cares for the little folk. Nothing at all to do with going down in the history books or being the big man at all.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Romney’s the richest populist that I’ve ever seen. That’s why I’m his #1 fan.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 1:05 PM

When Romney has a bowel movement, a job is created somewhere. Do not question this.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 1:06 PM

True, but a Romney win may also be worse for the GOP and Conservative Movement in the longer term.

In retrospect, having Ford lose to Carter in 1976 was a good thing, it made 8 years of Reagan possible.
I would also argue that Bush’s relection in 2004 gave us Obama in 2008. If Kerry had won in 2004, no Democratic takeover of COngress in 2006, and no ObamaCare.

Norwegian on March 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM

I’m a lot less concerned about the “conservative movement” than I am about the future of the republic. Remember, Carter only had one term to do damage, and the damage he would have done with a second term (and the Dems controlled the house and senate then) would have been incalculable – you might have had socialized health care almost 30 years sooner sooner and continued appeasement of the Russians and so no fall of the Soviet Union.

No one argues Romney’s great – he’s not. But, he’s not going to be Obama lite and any ‘harm’ he might do will pale in comparison to the harm Obama will certainly do if he’s reelected.

You really think 4 more years of Obama will wake people up? That already happened with the Tea Party. Four more years of Obama will see the population so cowed and beaten down, resistance will be less likely.

CatoRenasci on March 23, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Ok guys, I need to roll out for lunch.

You guys have a good ‘un, ok?

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Is Santorum implying that Ed is part of the Romney machine because he (a Santorum supporter, btw) brought this comment to light?

I used to like Santorum for being a stand out guy, but the past couple of weeks he’s starting to sound desperate and whiny.

luckedout26 on March 23, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Why is it it illogical for a political candidate to sound desperate when he knows it’s unlikely he will be the candidate?

I don’t buy this notion people used to like Santorum but don’t like him now b/c he “sounds desperate”. If Romney was in Santorum’s position, you could say the exact same thing.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Romney was all sour grapes when he lost SC to Newt. The Zombies didn’t switch over to Newt or Santorum at that point.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Really ? That’s a “LIE” ?

If Rick Santorum thinks that porn is “obscene”, then he believes it is against the law. Therefore, that is not a lie, unless you know for a FACT that Rick Santorum does not think porn played in hotel rooms is decidedly NOT obscene.

Do you know that for a fact ?

deadrody on March 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Yes. It’s a lie, because it’s an assumption about what you believe Santorum would do, stated as truth/fact.

He stated he would enforce current obscenity laws, and so did Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich. They didn’t get any flak for it, though, because the assumption by Rick’s haters is that Santorum is a big ol’ bible-thumping meanie who wants to take away your porn.

Unless you know THAT FOR A FACT, then you’re lying.

JannyMae on March 23, 2012 at 1:12 PM

At this point Santorum’s statement doesn’t matter. For all practical purposes his campaign is done. It’s over. It’s finished. There are still a lot of websites out there performing constant CPR on it trying to keep it alive, but it’s gone. Fini. Tostada.

crosspatch on March 23, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Why is it it illogical for a political candidate to sound desperate when he knows it’s unlikely he will be the candidate?

I don’t buy this notion people used to like Santorum but don’t like him now b/c he “sounds desperate”. If Romney was in Santorum’s position, you could say the exact same thing.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

I don’t think it’s illogical for them (certain candidates) to sound desperate. I think it’s perfectly reasonable for them to act that way (whoever it is that’s not in a good position in the race).

But desperation implies weakness, and nobody likes a weak candidate. If he kept up a positive image he might be able to stanch the bleeding of supporters, but then the reality of delegate math sets in.

SauerKraut537 on March 23, 2012 at 1:26 PM

At this point Santorum’s statement doesn’t matter. For all practical purposes his campaign is done. It’s over. It’s finished. There are still a lot of websites out there performing constant CPR on it trying to keep it alive, but it’s gone. Fini. Tostada.

crosspatch on March 23, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Lawsy, lawsy. It’s always all over with you. You’ve been pushing the inevitability claim for about a year now. I would think your arms would be tired by now.

tom on March 23, 2012 at 1:27 PM

but this shows only how completely idiotic and dumb Santorum is..If he and his spoke person both believe that Romney is the mirror image of Obama, then saying that he’d stay behind Romney in the generals if he is the nominee, makes no sense at all…why standing behind a nominee who is the mirror image of Obama? for what purpose? I mean he really shot himself in the foot with that one, because you cannot defend those two stances unless you suffer from some sort of schizophrenia or grave cognitive dissonance…The problem with Santorum’s gaffes is that this kind of statements/assertions are impossible to take back without sounding like a total half wit and moron…and this we knew about him already….

jimver on March 23, 2012 at 1:38 PM

The problem with Santorum’s gaffes is that this kind of statements/assertions are impossible to take back without sounding like a total half wit and moron…and this we knew about him already….

jimver on March 23, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Sounding like?”
How about, “is?”

DRayRaven on March 23, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Sounding like?”
How about, “is?”

DRayRaven on March 23, 2012 at 1:42 PM

in his case, he sounds like what he is :)…

jimver on March 23, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Santorum didn’t have a problem with Romney’s record in Massachusetts four years ago. So what’s changed? Oh yeah, now they are competing for the same nomination. So Santorum is all about convenience. And he prefers President ObaMao over President Romney. That’s a “fighter?”

cicerone on March 23, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Santorum’s reason for running for election was Obamacare. Four years ago Obamacare did not exist. It wasn’t so important what Romney did in Massachusetts because there wasn’t so many bad policies that needed to be reversed.

Santorum said some of Romney’s policies were mirror images of Obama’s policies—not that Obama and Romney were the same. The problem with Santorum is that he actually expects people to listen to what he is saying.

It is all about his kid’s future.

I voted for Santorum and do not regret it. If Romney wins the nomination, I will vote for him—but I’m beginning to feel really bad about the way things are going in this country.

LL1960 on March 23, 2012 at 1:49 PM

I don’t think states have the right to screw over people at will. Even if it’s Constitutional. I think that’s a case against perfect allegiance to the Constitution. I’m for freedom, not perfect allegiance to a document written over 200 years ago by dead men.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 11:59 AM

I can’t believe I just read that. Really?

That’s a liberal Democrat and Obama argument. And it’s a terrible one. You are arguing for ignoring the founding document of this country. By that argument, the document is 100% pointless and can be ignored in it’s entirety, leaving us with no government at all. After all, where do you draw the line at which parts of the Constitution can be ignored and which can’t?

Is the Constitution perfect? Probably not. But you don’t ignore it when you don’t like what it says. You may as well not have it then. The Founding Fathers understood that very well, and installed in it a method for it’s change and update to accomodate futures they could not imagine. Instead of ignoring the document like Obama, the correct thing to do would be to argue for an amendment to correct what you see is wrong. Then and ONLY THEN, when you have updated the document to allow for the Feds or States to change, do you then implement that change.

I’m utterly floored that a presumably conservative person would actually say what you said above.

gravityman on March 23, 2012 at 1:49 PM

I would never vote for Barack Obama over any Republican and to suggest otherwise is preposterous.

Then why did you suggest it?

This is just another attempt by the Romney Campaign to distort and distract the media and voters from the unshakeable fact that many of Romney’s policies mirror Barack Obama’s.

So, it is Romney’s fault that you seriously screw up?

And then you double down on the stupid “Romney’s policies mirror Barack Obama’s” meme?

What a moron.

I was simply making the point that there is a huge enthusiasm gap around Mitt Romney. . .

And yet he is beating you like a rented mule.

. . and it’s easy to see why – Romney has sided with Obama on healthcare mandates, cap-and-trade, and the Wall Street bailouts.

You resort to using lies, distortions, and misrepresentations, the hallmark of the liberal left?

Voters have to be excited enough to actually go vote, and my campaign’s movement to restore freedom is exciting this nation.

And yet, Romney is BEATING the piss out of you.

If this election is about Obama versus the Obama-Lite candidate, we have a tough time rallying this nation.

You are more like Obama than you know.

Thin skinned, whiner, big spender, lack of experience, just to name a few.

It’s time for bold vision, bold reforms and bold contrasts.

And these are NOT provided by your campaign.

This election is about more than Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, or Rick Santorum – this campaign is about freedom and I will fight to restore your freedoms.

Right, by taking away contraceptives and putting your big government nose in everybody’s bedroom?

Richard Santorum

WINNING!!! (ala Charlie Sheen)

Gunlock Bill on March 23, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Doesn’t the congress follow the president’s lead? Isn’t that how we ended up with Obamacare in the first place?

Mitt says he will issue waivers to all 50 states, and then “work toward repealing it.” He has also said, regarding Obamacare, “I hope we’re ultimately able to eliminate some of the differences, and repeal the bad and keep the good.”

That makes me nervous, based on his continued defense of the (in my opinion indefensible) Massachusetts health care bill.

JannyMae on March 23, 2012 at 1:01 PM

The thing you miss when you keep saying you doubt Romney is that if he doesn’t issue waivers to all 50 states (which would effectively make the Obama Affordable Care Act DOA as the states would choose not to enforce it) is that unlike Obama, Romney will have something to lose if he doesn’t do what he says — the 2016 election. Obama will not have that worry — just as Ed points out, Obama will have complete free reign to do what he really desires without having to worry about re-election. Why do you think the Obama Affordable Care Act doesn’t kick in until 2013, after the 2012 election? That was intentional, not an accident — Obama didn’t want us to really experience the horror of it until he was safely ensconced in his 2nd term.

And you know what, people really, really need to learn about the 3 branches of government, executive, legislative, and judicial, before they start opining on what the POTUS needs to do/promise. An executive waiver to the states re: the Obama Affordable Care Act would be the only thing exclusively in the POTUS’s power; he would need to work with Congress to get it officially repealed. How Romney stating that fact is a strike against him to some people just shows me how little people understand the separation of powers in the 3 branches of government.

Dark Star on March 23, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Slavery use to be Constitutional too.

Didn’t make it right or about freedom.

If you are going to wrap yourself in the Constitution and states rights, I’m going to slap you around with that.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 12:00 PM

You are actually very wrong. Slavery was never Constitutional. It just took about 80 years for enough States to recognize that it wasn’t, and then amend the Constitution to state it more explicitly.

Do you understand why Thomas Jefferson changed the Declaration of Independence to “pursuit of happiness” instead of “property”? Are you aware of the REAL meaning of the 3/5th Compromise (hint: the Northern States actually wanted slaves to be counted as more than 3/5th per person in spite of the idea of that increasing the relative representation of the South in the House of Representatives)?

gravityman on March 23, 2012 at 1:56 PM

I don’t think states have the right to screw over people at will. Even if it’s Constitutional. I think that’s a case against perfect allegiance to the Constitution. I’m for freedom, not perfect allegiance to a document written over 200 years ago by dead men.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Go away, libtard!!!!

Gunlock Bill on March 23, 2012 at 1:56 PM

It just took about 80 years for enough States to recognize that it wasn’t

Also, the Emancipation Proclamation did not ban slavery in Union states, only in Confederate states. Slavery was still legal in Union states until the 13th amendment was ratified in December of 1865, some 9 months after the end of the Civil War.

crosspatch on March 23, 2012 at 2:05 PM

My question for Santorum: if Romney is a “mirror image of Obama,” and you can’t beat Romney among GOP voters, why should we believe you’ll be able to defeat Obama in a general election?

DRayRaven on March 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM

That is a good question.

Gunlock Bill on March 23, 2012 at 2:14 PM

What he said:

“If you’re going to be a little different, we might as well stay with what we have instead of taking a risk with what may be the Etch A Sketch candidate of the future.”

What he meant:

“I would never vote for Barack Obama over any Republican and to suggest otherwise is preposterous.”

Do what I say, not what I say!

Sayonara Santy!

Roy Rogers on March 23, 2012 at 2:17 PM

There is no point in arguing with haters like Dr. Terrible, danielvito, very angry ed, etc.

Their comments don’t come from a functioning intelligence, willing and able to examine anything in an objective manner.

Meredith on March 23, 2012 at 12:33 PM

I actually think Dr.T is some sort of spam-bot. Isn’t there some way to filter all that drivel out? What a waste of electrons.

peski on March 23, 2012 at 2:18 PM

My question for Santorum: if Romney is a “mirror image of Obama,” and you can’t beat Romney among GOP voters, why should we believe you’ll be able to defeat Obama in a general election?

DRayRaven on March 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM

To repeat myself:
Santorum said some of Romney’s policies were mirror images of Obama’s policies—not that Obama and Romney were the same.

Santorum is in this for his children–if you remember that it is a lot easier to understand him.

LL1960 on March 23, 2012 at 2:20 PM

can’t believe I just read that. Really?

That’s a liberal Democrat and Obama argument. And it’s a terrible one. You are arguing for ignoring the founding document of this country. By that argument, the document is 100% pointless and can be ignored in it’s entirety, leaving us with no government at all. After all, where do you draw the line at which parts of the Constitution can be ignored and which can’t?

Is the Constitution perfect? Probably not. But you don’t ignore it when you don’t like what it says. You may as well not have it then. The Founding Fathers understood that very well, and installed in it a method for it’s change and update to accomodate futures they could not imagine. Instead of ignoring the document like Obama, the correct thing to do would be to argue for an amendment to correct what you see is wrong. Then and ONLY THEN, when you have updated the document to allow for the Feds or States to change, do you then implement that change.

I’m utterly floored that a presumably conservative person would actually say what you said above.

gravityman on March 23, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Ok, so by your logic, we should still have slavery, b/c it was Constitutional at one point.

You are not a thinker.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 2:26 PM

I don’t think state governments have the right to do whatever the hell they want.

That is what many Romney suppoerters including Ann Coulter argue when they attempt to make their little lame justifications for RomneyCare.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 2:27 PM

You guys are basically suggesting it’s illegal to disagree with some elements of the Constitution.

I never said that the whole document was flawed, just the notion that state governments have licensed to do pretty whatever they want, like mandate you buy a certain commodity like health insurance or ban Gummi Bears.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 2:29 PM

How Romney stating that fact is a strike against him to some people just shows me how little people understand the separation of powers

Dark Star on March 23, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Well said. It also amazes me how passionately people will attack one candidate and defend another who is guilty of the same weaknesses. Romney haters vilify him for Romneycare, and give Santorum a pass for siding with union thuggery and voting against “right to work”. Social libs (I tend to be one myself) scourge Santorum for his beliefs regarding birth control or gay issues, when is actual policy stance is within a hair’s breadth of Gingrich and Romney’s.

Yes there are differences between the candidates, but those differences pale in comparison to the big-State progressive union loving capitalism hating identity politics Chicago machine power grabbing deficit spending class warrior currently doing his best to destroy our nation (whether it be intentional or not being irrelevant).

peski on March 23, 2012 at 2:30 PM

To be honest, I think the Romney supporters whining about Santorum sound kind of desparate. They seem to think it’s going to hurt Romney although they don’t say it.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 2:31 PM

I do have a big problem with the Romney zombies who throw the Constitution in my face to suppport big government at the state level.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 2:32 PM

I’m actually stunned at Santorum’s statement, which actually attempts to put the blame on the Romney campaign for Santorum’s remark. It’s hard to give Santorum the benefit of the doubt after reading this. Sounds like he really was tacitly endorsing Obama but was forced to walk it back in the most limited way that he could – no apology, or even close to one.

Priscilla on March 23, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Priscilla, you don’t think any criticism of Romney is allowed.

Nobody takes you seriously as being objective.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Priscilla, you don’t think any criticism of Romney is allowed.

Nobody takes you seriously as being objective.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Well, coming from a paragon of objectivity such as yourself, Dr.T, I must say that is hurtful meaningless.

Priscilla on March 23, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Well, coming from a paragon of objectivity such as yourself, Dr.T, I must say that is hurtful meaningless.

Priscilla on March 23, 2012 at 2:42 PM

I don’t brown nose Santorum. I frequently make jokes about him.

You brown nose Rommey to the point it’s embarrassing. Get some self respect out there.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Are you saying Romneycare & Obamacare aren’t the same. if you are, I have some swamp land in iran to sell you!

Danielvito on March 23, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Dude, give it up.

Pcoop on March 23, 2012 at 2:46 PM

You Romney suppoerters, he’s goign to win the nomination, you can get out of your campaign hack mode for Romney now. He’s the nomineee. Romney is going to get criticized every now and then, he is running for president and you going to have to learn how to deal with it without get all sensitive.

Dr. Tesla on March 23, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Comment pages: 1 2 3 4 5