Obama: Romney is just “pretending” his health care plan was different than mine

posted at 1:20 pm on March 22, 2012 by Tina Korbe

Just as conservatives have always warned, if the GOP nominates Mitt Romney for president, the current president will try to use him as a scapegoat for Obamacare. Proof:

“We designed a program that actually previously had support of Republicans, including the person who may end up being the Republican standard bearer and is now pretending like he came up with something different,” the president said.

The Massachusetts plan served as a model for the Affordable Care Act, signed two years ago Friday. Romney, the state’s former governor, has since said the legislation was the correct course for his state but not meant as a model for a national overhaul. But the plan has proved a focal point of criticism aimed at the GOP frontrunner.

In Thursday’s interview, Obama said Republican opposition to the plan, including the Supreme Court challenge, is politically motivated.

Maybe “scapegoat” isn’t exactly the best word. In this interview, Obama was extolling the virtues of Obamacare and tying Romney to it, so maybe he was actually trying to share “credit” for the health care overhaul.

Either way, the only defense Romney has offered for Romneycare — still – is that he signed it into law at the state level. Ann Coulter has argued that that is an adequate defense.

But if for no other reason than that Romneycare included an individual mandate, it’s problematic. Sure, a mandate at the state level is constitutional, but, in case you’ve forgotten, a federal mandate to buy insurance is not constitutional. Moreover, once upon a time, Romney explicitly expressed support for a national mandate.

It’s been two years since the president signed Obamacare into law and, for two years, conservatives have known Romney would be in trouble for the way Romneycare connects him to the least-liked entitlement program in the nation’s history. Two years and I still don’t see how Romney gets around this issue.

Romney adviser Eric Fehrnstrohm says the campaign will clear its Etch a Sketch for the general election, but no magic and no messaging will erase Romneycare. It has been and will be his Achilles heel unless and until he completely disavows it.

Phil Kerpen is hopeful that Romney can win Obama in the “battle of the health care flip-floppers,” but I’m not so sure. Will undecideds who despise Obamacare look at Romney and see a clear difference? It’s the same question that’s plagued the Romney campaign from Day One. So, why won’t he do something about it and disavow Romneycare completely?


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SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Spare me the melodrama, you @#$%-talking poof.

M240H on March 22, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Make me.

Oh.

You can’t.

Sucks to be you.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Tina’s Meow’s a hack d!ck. Isn’t it time for another slobbering peice gushing over dick sweatervest?

Meow on March 22, 2012 at 3:08 PM

FIFY, except for your spelling error.

Lightswitch on March 22, 2012 at 3:15 PM

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Absolutely not.

Romney flipped on issues according to the political winds. That means he went back and forth.

Reagan did not. He changed his mind and then stuck with it.

INC on March 22, 2012 at 3:17 PM

steebo77 on March 22, 2012 at 3:14 PM

No, they also wish death upon people who disagree with them.

Now please burst into flames and die a screaming, agonizing death.

M240H on March 22, 2012 at 2:17 PM

But it’s all in good fun…or taken out of context…or something.

Left Coast Right Mind on March 22, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Tina’s a hack. Isn’t it time for another slobbering peice gushing over dick sweatervest?

Meow on March 22, 2012 at 3:08 PM

I was hoping she would have taken his poster off the wall from over her bed by now, but I guess not.

JFS61 on March 22, 2012 at 3:18 PM

M240H on March 22, 2012 at 2:17 PM

That was inexcusable. I’d rather have JannyMae insult me all day long than be associated with that kind of disgusting screed.

Mr. Arkadin on March 22, 2012 at 3:19 PM

the republican party will finally wake up! But somehow I doubt that.

mozalf on March 22, 2012 at 3:05 PM

The republican party is lost – it’s time for a repeat of 1852, and we need a new faction – the republicans need to join the whigs on history’s garbage pile. They do nothing but disrespect and publicly assassinate the conservative base and the candidates they support.

Time to stop actin like a battered housewife.

Face it conservatives – the Republican party just ain’t that into us.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Is your only mode of argumentation to focus on individuals, rather than ideas?

steebo77 on March 22, 2012 at 3:14 PM

How many times do the people being belittled here as ‘bots, and much worse, have to concede that Romney is not the hoped for paradigm of our ideas and ideals? Here’s an idea:accept reality-Romney is the nominee. Is it so go***am wrong that most of us are going to swallow hard and vote against an malevolent man by voting for a weak one?

M240H on March 22, 2012 at 3:21 PM

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Absolutely not.
INC on March 22, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Meh, you’re certainly welcome to choose the glass with which you feel comfortable. It serves as a case in point.

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 3:23 PM

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 3:23 PM

No, it does not.

INC on March 22, 2012 at 3:26 PM

All this hand-wringing.

1. If the Supremes overturn Obamacare, the job is done. Romney’s 10th amendment position is validated. Obama won’t dare mention the issue, and he cannot further accuse Romney, like other GOP nominees, of “not caring” about health care for the uninsured. In fact, Romney can go on offense, pointing out that Obama wasted two years and enormous political capital to jamm an unpopular bill down the throats of the American people and let the economy suffer.

2. If the Supremes uphold Obamacare, then Romney is still better positioned than any other GOP candidate. He can ride the wave of voter indignation to repeal, and concurrently not be accused of “not caring” about health care.

If the Supremes uphold Obamacare, then Santorum by contrast has nothing to run on. Romney position for an immediate waiver for all 50-states, concurrently defunding the program, is still more doable than full repeal.

The best thing to do with Obamacare is to let it die on the vine and ultimately be repealed via reconciliation.

matthew8787 on March 22, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Okay, come on everybody, this is the part where we defend Mitt Romney from Obama’s attacks. Come on, we can do it. I know you don’t want to, but this is what we signed up for. Come on Mittbots, help me out here. How do we do this exactly? How do we blindly defend Mitt Romney with foam all over our mouths? Someone want to show how it’s done??

shannon76 on March 22, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Tina’s a hack. Isn’t it time for another slobbering peice gushing over dick sweatervest?
Meow on March 22, 2012 at 3:08 PM

I was hoping she would have taken his poster off the wall from over her bed by now, but I guess not.
JFS61 on March 22, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Although it’s certainly embarrassing when you’re reduced to being dependent on Obama for talking points – as is the case in this blog entry – such attacks are silly and unwarranted.

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Of California, Crucifixions, and Cleopatra – California Teachers Unions decide they want to organize parents (so they can direct fundraising cash into union coffers) after I arrange for some non-PC programs. I also look at the plight of Egypt’s Christian community and update the status of Angelina Jolie’s Cleopatra.

Mutnodjmet on March 22, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Curious. Did you know that MA is setting up their own death panels to ration care?

lorien1973 on March 22, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Hey, stupid!! Notice the PRESENT TENSE!!!

CURRENT actions in MA do NOT reflect what Romney signed into law.

Get a clue.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 3:31 PM

Where’s bluegill’s take?

DanMan on March 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM

I can wait awhile for the gilled one to show up ….

conservative tarheel on March 22, 2012 at 3:31 PM

I don’t define myself by my party. I’m an individual. … I’m not going to be bound by traditional party labels or traditional party practices. I have a very different view than most Republicans, the old traditional Republicans. I’m a lot more like my mom and dad in that regard. And so my agenda is different from traditional Republicans.
His father George Romney said we should surrender as the North Vietnamese were great people. He was so popular that he only carried his own State running for President against Goldwater. He was so bitter he would not release his 58 delegates to Goldwater at the end of the convention. He was also self identified “Liberal Moderate” and got most of his support from Democrats dis affected with their party.

Steveangell on March 22, 2012 at 3:33 PM

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 3:23 PM

No, it does not.
INC on March 22, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Yes, it does.

We could go at it for hours – Yes/No/Yes/No/T’is/Tisn’t/T’is – but I suspect the point on subjectivity has been made.

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 3:34 PM

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 3:34 PM

No, I have links to back up what I’m saying.

INC on March 22, 2012 at 3:36 PM

The republican party is lost – it’s time for a repeat of 1852, and we need a new faction – the republicans need to join the whigs on history’s garbage pile. They do nothing but disrespect and publicly assassinate the conservative base and the candidates they support.

Time to stop actin like a battered housewife.

Face it conservatives – the Republican party just ain’t that into us.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 3:19 PM

it will be interesting to see if anything like that happens …..

conservative tarheel on March 22, 2012 at 3:37 PM

If the Supremes uphold Obamacare, then Santorum by contrast has nothing to run on. Romney position for an immediate waiver for all 50-states, concurrently defunding the program, is still more doable than full repeal.

The best thing to do with Obamacare is to let it die on the vine and ultimately be repealed via reconciliation.

matthew8787 on March 22, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Right.

The reason Santorum is polling so well in the swing states is Obama Care.

I mean they love higher gas prices just like Romney (passed Mass Cap and Trade).

They love higher taxes in the form of fees just like Romney (Increased fees 500 million while Gov)

They love what Romney would replace Obama Care with RObamaCare at the State level.

Steveangell on March 22, 2012 at 3:38 PM

ABO for President. Reclaim Senate. Keep House. It’s the first step in a long process. Democrats successfully play the long game. We must beat them at that.

Nick_Angel on March 22, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Hold all calls. We have a winner.

matthew8787 on March 22, 2012 at 3:38 PM

it will be interesting to see if anything like that happens …..

conservative tarheel on March 22, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Tea Party anyone? They are still out there. One of the reason the establishment is so trying to force Romney on us. They see Romney as a way to kill off the Tea Party.

Steveangell on March 22, 2012 at 3:41 PM

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 3:34 PM

No, I have links to back up what I’m saying.
INC on March 22, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Oh – links! Now that changes everything. Since links are so rare online, I concede you just have to have Teh Right Opinion.
Well, that was solved easily enough.

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 3:43 PM

How many times does Romney have to say it? Applying the plan to one state is different that applying it to the entire country.

nazo311 on March 22, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Wasn’t there this video of Romney telling everyone that Romneycare was a model for the country and advocating just that?

Portia46 on March 22, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Can you please explain, then, why he was given such a significant role in the development and implementation of RomneyCare?

Just Sayin on March 22, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Gruber is almost always described as the “architect” of Romneycare, but no-one ever specifies what he actually did. The Romney campaign is vague, saying that Gruber, an MIT economist, did some computer modeling. I’ve searched for half an hour and can’t find any information to back up Gruber’s claim.

Gruber is, however, a proven hack, opportunist, and liar. He was on the White House payroll while supposedly providing “independent” validation for Obamacare. He failed to disclose this several times when directly asked.

Gruber began negotiating a sole-source contract with the Department of Health and Human Services in February of 2009, for which he was ultimately paid $392,600. The contract called for Gruber to use his statistical model for evaluating alternatives “derived from the President’s health reform proposal.” It was not a research grant, but rather a consulting contract to advise the White House Office of Health Reform, headed by Obama’s health care czar, Nancy-Ann DeParle, to “develop proposals” for health care reform.

Notice that Gruber was doing statistical modeling for HHS, which supports Romney’s claim that Gruber did “computer modeling” for them. That seems to be his gig – providing health care cost projections using a proprietary computer model. Read the full article. Gruber seems to have become some kind of paid hack for the Democrat Party, like fellow academic shill Paul Krugman.

Mr. Arkadin on March 22, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Tea Party anyone? They are still out there. One of the reason the establishment is so trying to force Romney on us. They see Romney as a way to kill off the Tea Party.
Steveangell on March 22, 2012 at 3:41 PM

You’ll have to tell that to the all the Tea Party organizations that have already endorsed him.

Oy, do we ever need better Mobys around here.

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Curious. Did you know that MA is setting up their own death panels to ration care?

lorien1973 on March 22, 2012 at 2:28 PM
Hey, stupid!! Notice the PRESENT TENSE!!!

CURRENT actions in MA do NOT reflect what Romney signed into law.

Get a clue.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 3:31 PM

And here we have the brilliance of the short-term thinker. One of the most salient arguments against state run health care has always been the death panel because the end result of diminishing resources is rationing. That was part of the debate in 1964 over Medicare. It was part of the debate over Hillarycare. It was certainly the biggest part of the debate over Obamacare. Palin, whom you disparage as stupid also, figured it out. Why didn’t the big business brain figure it out also? Some things are absolutely predictable, like death panels under Romneycare.

Portia46 on March 22, 2012 at 3:50 PM

The republican party is lost – it’s time for a repeat of 1852, and we need a new faction – the republicans need to join the whigs on history’s garbage pile. They do nothing but disrespect and publicly assassinate the conservative base and the candidates they support.

Time to stop actin like a battered housewife.

Face it conservatives – the Republican party just ain’t that into us.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 3:19 PM
it will be interesting to see if anything like that happens …..

conservative tarheel on March 22, 2012 at 3:37 PM

I hope so, guys. I didn’t register as a republican to keep voting for losing moderate/liberal/democrat wannabees. I started getting involved after the Reagan administration because GHW Bush was running against Dukakis…, a Massachusetts governor…and a democrat that time. And even back then, even in Massachusetts, noone wanted him as president. Then Bush Sr. blew it – we got Dole and still got 4 more years of the Clinton disaster. We did get the Congress but by a razor thin majority that we soon lost. So conservatives have been getting beat up for the almost 30-smothing years I’ve been voting. However, 2010 was an incredible ride! But, sadly, we’re regressing again in this cycle. I feel no drop dead loyalty to the republican party anymore and will vote conservative. And if none is available, give up on the presidential and focus on state levels. But a vote needs to be earned by a candidate, not expected or taken for granted.

mozalf on March 22, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Seems Mr. Gruber believes that single-payer is the ideal health care system:

You know, I think basically, what they’ve constructed, the Affordable Health Act, is the best possible private-sector solution to our problem of the uninsured that we have available, you know, short of single-payer.

Notice he says “they’ve constructed”. Despite being described as an architect of Obamacare as well as Romneycare, he isn’t. His role seems to have been limited to computer modeling, and shilling.

Since we are quoting leftists these days at Hot Air to prove our point, Firedog Lake did a nice job eviscerating Gruber from the left.

Oh, and as a nice tidbit for angryed, Gruber is on record stating that there is no difference between Obamacare and the health care plan advocated by…Newt Gingrich:

I asked about the difference between this plan and the kind that was espoused by former House speaker Newt Gingrich back then (and, briefly, in May of this year).

“Zero difference,” he said.

Mr. Arkadin on March 22, 2012 at 3:55 PM

When Romney gets hit with everything Obama is going to throw at him, we’re going to long for Newt, who’s capable of throwing it back.

bflat879 on March 22, 2012 at 4:00 PM

OBAMA:

We are doing the all of the above strategy right. Obviously, we wish Solyndra hadn’t gone bankrupt. Part of the reason they did was because the Chinese were subsidizing their solar industry and flooding the market in ways that Solyndra couldn’t compete. But understand, this was not our program per se.

More “truth” from Obama.

Are the ABRtards going to swallow this one too?

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Tina’s Meow’s a hack d!ck. Isn’t it time for another slobbering peice gushing over dick sweatervest?

Meow on March 22, 2012 at 3:08 PM

FIFY, except for your spelling error.

Lightswitch on March 22, 2012 at 3:15 PM

No I spelled it correctly. dick sweatervest dick sweatervest dick sweatervest. see? You’re the one who can’t spell dick.

Meow on March 22, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Hot Air certainly had some rude individuals sign up during those dual Open Registrations.

And the stupid thing is, they expect us to acquiesce and vote for their candidate based on their diatribes.

kingsjester on March 22, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Palin, whom you disparage as stupid also,

Portia46 on March 22, 2012 at 3:50 PM

You are a LIAR!!

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Although it’s certainly embarrassing when you’re reduced to being dependent on Obama for talking points – as is the case in this blog entry – such attacks are silly and unwarranted.

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 3:30 PM

If it were the first time, yes, you’d be right. Unfortunately, its not.

JFS61 on March 22, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Tea Party anyone? They are still out there. One of the reason the establishment is so trying to force Romney on us. They see Romney as a way to kill off the Tea Party.

Steveangell on March 22, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Romney is how the Tea Party becomes an actually Political Party on the ballot.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 4:12 PM

You’ll have to tell that to the all the Tea Party organizations that have already endorsed him.

Oy, do we ever need better Mobys around here.

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Because he has not used his etch a sketch reset button yet.

When he does the hard pivot to the left they will mostly leave him or very weakly support him. But if he does get the nomination he will lose and they will then know what a mistake supporting him was and be very upset. This is how the Wig party ended.

Steveangell on March 22, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Hot Air certainly had some rude individuals sign up during those dual Open Registrations.
And the stupid thing is, they expect us to acquiesce and vote for their candidate based on their diatribes.
kingsjester on March 22, 2012 at 4:09 PM

You’re familiar with the term “Moby“?

“An insidious and specialized type of left-wing troll who visits blogs and impersonates a conservative for the purpose of either spreading false rumors intended to sow dissension among conservative voters, or who purposely posts inflammatory and offensive comments for the purpose of discrediting the blog in question.”

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 4:18 PM

What about that inconvenient little editorial your cat Mittens wrote for USA Today? Refute that.

steebo77 on March 22, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Oh my! That’s a killer!

The federal government sends an estimated $42 billion to hospitals that care for the poor: Use those funds instead to help the poor buy private insurance, as we did. — Mitt Romney

So much for the false assertion lie that Massachusetts Care doesn’t utilize federal funding.

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Because he has not used his etch a sketch reset button yet.

Steveangell on March 22, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Yeh, but Richard (Dick) Sweatervest has reset his.

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/KueLJZtDNjVdcN6DFdX3fw–/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD00MDk7cT04NTt3PTUxMg–/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/5be987b12a0e94080a0f6a7067009ba8.jpg

LOL!!!!

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 4:18 PM

kingsjester on March 22, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Come on, kingsjester, there are plenty of old timers at Hot Air who are high on rude. Just as there are plenty of newcomers who are sweet as pie.

Mr. Arkadin on March 22, 2012 at 4:19 PM

kingsjester on March 22, 2012 at 4:09 PM

I think your claim of being coerced to acquiesce is a little over-reactive. The support shown for anyone’s candidate is rooted in an emotionally defensive nature. I don’t see poster’s recruiting or asking for people to change their choice of candidate.

Inevitability willalways breed despair.

FlaMurph on March 22, 2012 at 4:20 PM

With Romney as the nominee, Axelrod can run Obama to his right and be believeable.

What a nightmare this primary has been. Time to cut losses and concentrate on taking the Senate in 2012, and then hopefully get a right-of-center nominee in 2016 (which we likely won’t have this time around).

Norwegian on March 22, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Hot Air certainly had some rude individuals sign up during those dual Open Registrations.

kingsjester on March 22, 2012 at 4:09 PM

You mean like this guy?

your a dishonest shill who will keep your lips firmly on willard’s cock no matter what.

chasdal on January 18, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Or this guy?

F*CK ROMNEY!! Vindictive bas@rd is just sticking it to the one Florida Politico he couldn’t buy with his taxpayer bailed out millions.

abobo on January 30, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 4:23 PM

When he does the hard pivot to the left they will mostly leave him or very weakly support him. But if he does get the nomination he will lose and they will then know what a mistake supporting him was and be very upset. This is how the Wig party ended.

This has been a very consistent theme amongst my fellow church-goers over coffee after service. The attitude is that any support given will be lackluster at best, wallets will snap shut, and an earnest search for another party that is interested in representing conservative folks.

The facts are pretty simple – the republican party has been hijacked by east-coast statists, who really don’t care about stopping the encroachment of government into our freedoms just so long as they are commanding the boat. Hell they don’t even care if they are steering, just as long as they get to sit in the captain’s cabin.

Principles are brushed aside in the race for power, and any belief systems that interfere with the goal of Republican political power for the mere sake of having political power is quickly thrown under the bus, along with all those who hold those beliefs dear.

They don’t care how it’s used, what they have to represent, what principles they have to trample, just so long as they get to be a part of the new American royalty.

They don’t even give a s*&^ if they dictate the course – so long as they get to go to all the cool parties.

It’s corrupt, amoral and soulless. More so than it has ever been in living memory.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Mr. Arkadin on March 22, 2012 at 4:19 PM

There were a couple of rude posters already here to be sure, but they had already been labelled as Trools. Through the dual Registrations the number exploded like the result of two rabbits in a cage.

kingsjester on March 22, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Romney Supporter Excuse Chart

1.This is all out of context
2.Romney was only giving the people what they wanted.
3.This was only to used at the State Level
4.Mitt never said that.
5.That is not what he meant to say
6.Sarah Palin is a quitter
7.You are all bigots
8.You hate Successful people
9.You are just jealous of his success
10.Romney can’t be held responsible for his Campaign Aides
11.That was __ years ago–he’s reconsidered his position
12.He’s Electable
13.It’s Inevitable

Feel free to ad more.

portlandon on March 22, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Come on, kingsjester, there are plenty of old timers at Hot Air who are high on rude. Just as there are plenty of newcomers who are sweet as pie.
Mr. Arkadin on March 22, 2012 at 4:19 PM

True, but when someone just blows in and starts ranting and raving, the “Moby” red light warning should start flashing. Moreso when they don’t really interact with others and avoid any commentary that isn’t politically divisive (e.g. music, movies). They just grunt one out and then move on.

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 4:30 PM

The ultra conservative Heritage Foundation that Rush and Hannity promote, came up with the Romneycare mandate.

It made for some awkward debate moments when Heritage was a co-sponsor of one of the debates.

What people won’t say, is that they are for repealing the Reagan mandate that forces hospitals to treat non-payers for free. It is the only consistent, “conservative” answer.

scotash on March 22, 2012 at 4:30 PM

How exactly is this “bashing” Romney. Romney has embraced his past and there’s no way he can run from how many videos? It’s fact and it’s really hard to defend the grandfather of Obamacare.

Obamacare is the final nail in the coffin of liberty, and Mitt Romney helped forge that nail. No running from that.

Is Romney also like Obama in that you state facts about him and it’s “bashing”? Like stating facts or quoting his personal beliefs is biogotry?

Portia46 on March 22, 2012 at 2:56 PM

It’s the double standard that is so disgusting.

Criticizing Romney is “bashing” and is BAD!

Criticizing “The Serial Adulterer” and “Sweater Vest” is “legitimate” and GOOD…even if the criticism is lies.

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Gruber is almost always described as the “architect” of Romneycare, but no-one ever specifies what he actually did. The Romney campaign is vague, saying that Gruber, an MIT economist, did some computer modeling. I’ve searched for half an hour and can’t find any information to back up Gruber’s claim.

Gruber is, however, a proven hack, opportunist, and liar. He was on the White House payroll while supposedly providing “independent” validation for Obamacare. He failed to disclose this several times when directly asked.

Notice that Gruber was doing statistical modeling for HHS, which supports Romney’s claim that Gruber did “computer modeling” for them. That seems to be his gig – providing health care cost projections using a proprietary computer model. Read the full article. Gruber seems to have become some kind of paid hack for the Democrat Party, like fellow academic shill Paul Krugman.

Mr. Arkadin on March 22, 2012 at 3:44 PM

He did a lot more than computer modeling. He was a near constant presence at hhs during this time and took part in high-level policy meetings in a way that had very little do with modeling. He also played a huge role in designing how the Connector would work, and in implementing it. He also one of the most active and influential members of the Connector Board, which manages pretty much every aspect of the program. He still might be; I’m not sure.

Gruber is, however, a proven hack, opportunist, and liar. He was on the White House payroll while supposedly providing “independent” validation for Obamacare. He failed to disclose this several times when directly asked.

Gruber seems to have become some kind of paid hack for the Democrat Party, like fellow academic shill Paul Krugman.

Agreed, on both counts. He’s a proven slimeball, and I have nothing but contempt for him.

Just Sayin on March 22, 2012 at 4:31 PM

The facts are pretty simple – the republican party has been hijacked by east-coast statists,

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Really?

How many “east-coast” states have voted so far? How many non “east-coast” states have voted so far?

Just so I can compare.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 4:32 PM

It’s corrupt, amoral and soulless. More so than it has ever been in living memory.

And Willard Fillmoure Romneycare, Mitch McConnell and John Boehner are the poster children for this soul-less black sucking void of pragmatism and excess over principle.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Yeah, that Jim DeMint, he’s just a RINO squish…

M240H on March 22, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Class, which logical fallacy does this post demonstrate?

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 4:34 PM

What people won’t say, is that they are for repealing the Reagan mandate that forces hospitals to treat non-payers for free. It is the only consistent, “conservative” answer.

scotash on March 22, 2012 at 4:30 PM

It is unfortunate that people don’t understand that it was that “Reagan mandate” that caused the problem in the first place.

The problem that Mass-care was intended to solve.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Really?

How many “east-coast” states have voted so far? How many non “east-coast” states have voted so far?

Just so I can compare.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 4:32 PM

This has as much to do with my point as Kumquats. I’d argue with you more, but frankly, I am scared I will stop you from posting further – and seeing as I believe the s*&^ that comes out of your keyboard hurts Willard far more than I ever could, the last thing I’d ever want is for you to shut up.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 4:37 PM

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 4:31 PM

I think it is cute that Richard got a new “computer”.

http://a.yfrog.com/img877/2138/l78wm.jpg

And that he has learned to “reboot” it.

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/KueLJZtDNjVdcN6DFdX3fw–/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD00MDk7cT04NTt3PTUxMg–/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/5be987b12a0e94080a0f6a7067009ba8.jpg

Don’t you?

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 4:38 PM

This has as much to do with my point as Kumquats. I’d argue with you more, but frankly, I am scared I will stop you from posting further – and seeing as I believe the s*&^ that comes out of your keyboard hurts Willard far more than I ever could, the last thing I’d ever want is for you to shut up.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 4:37 PM

So, you don’t have a counter argument nor can you support your assertion.

I get it.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 4:39 PM

The ultra conservative Heritage Foundation that Rush and Hannity promote, came up with the Romneycare mandate.

Nice cherry-picking… allow me to finish the story…

…And then the Heritage foundation backed away from it faster than the speed of light once they found out how awful Romneycare was… I wonder why Willard has not disavowed his foray into communism…

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Face it gang:

Mitt Romney is banking on the U.S. Supremes to rule
ObamaCare unconstitutional. That gives Mitt a pass on
pretty much everything. He can then say the court has
ruled on this, and it’s time to move on. He will face
far fewer questions about it, and his own Romneycare.

…pretty much everything about this upcoming election hinges on
this ruling, and it will be announced in June I believe.

ToddPA on March 22, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Hey, stupid!! Notice the PRESENT TENSE!!!

CURRENT actions in MA do NOT reflect what Romney signed into law.

Get a clue.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 3:31 PM

I realize you’re not capable of logic and reasoning, so I’ll explain this as simply as I can.

What Romney signed into law has led to the necessity for these current actions. It’s called “cause and effect.” It’s a pretty simple concept. Maybe even you could understand it, if the issue didn’t relate to Mitt Romney.

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Hot Air certainly had some rude individuals sign up during those dual Open Registrations.

kingsjester on March 22, 2012 at 4:09 PM

You mean like this guy?

your a dishonest shill who will keep your lips firmly on willard’s cock no matter what.

chasdal on January 18, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Or this guy?

F*CK ROMNEY!! Vindictive bas@rd is just sticking it to the one Florida Politico he couldn’t buy with his taxpayer bailed out millions.

abobo on January 30, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Although it’s somewhat instructive, by way of the Mobys telling us which candidate the Democrats fear the most.

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Come on, kingsjester, there are plenty of old timers at Hot Air who are high on rude. Just as there are plenty of newcomers who are sweet as pie.

Mr. Arkadin on March 22, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Of course.

There are also Moby’s who spam the site with support for Romney, but whatcat chooses not to see them.

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 4:44 PM

So, you don’t have a counter argument nor can you support your assertion.

I get it.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 4:39 PM

You seem to suffer from a reading comprehension problem. That’s perfectly fine with me. I could think of no better an advocate for Willard Fillmoure Romneycare than yourself.

Carry on.

Please.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 4:45 PM

I realize you’re not capable of logic and reasoning, so I’ll explain this as simply as I can.

What Romney signed into law has led to the necessity for these current actions.

Not so.

It’s called “cause and effect.”

Nah, it is called leftwing-democrat meddling.

It’s a pretty simple concept. Maybe even you could understand it, if the issue didn’t relate to Mitt Romney.

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Physician, heal thyself.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Supreme court will punt on Obamacare

liberal4life on March 22, 2012 at 4:46 PM

You seem to suffer from a reading comprehension problem. That’s perfectly fine with me. I could think of no better an advocate for Willard Fillmoure Romneycare than yourself.

Carry on.

Please.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Still no counter argument nor support for your assertion.

Carry on.

Please.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Supreme court will punt on Obamacare

liberal4life on March 22, 2012 at 4:46 PM

For one time it’s it’s existence I am deeply fear libtroll is going to be correct.

When the fate of the entire republic rests in the hands of Kennedy… why is it that I am not overly optimistic…

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Three Cheers for Romneycare

Romneycare
Romneycare
Romneycare

Three Jeers for Tina the Obama and Sweater Vest Lover

Boo
boo
boo

Mormontheman on March 22, 2012 at 4:49 PM

I think Kagan, Sotomayor, Ginsberg, Breyer, Kennedy and the chief will vote to uphold the law. Roberts won’t want to dissent in this case. I think there’s a not-insignificant chance Scalia joins the majority as well.

cjw79 on March 22, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Shouldn’t Kagan recuse herself?

If not, please tell us why she should be allowed to hear the case, but remember:

I doubt you can understand a viewpoint that isn’t your own.

cjw79 on March 22, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Del Dolemonte on March 22, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Although it’s somewhat instructive, by way of the Mobys telling us which candidate the Democrats fear the most.

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Yeah, and then there’s this guy:

We got it. You hate Mitt. You really, really hate Mitt. You’re not going to ever vote for him. Ever. And we who are going to vote for him -if he is the nominee- are really stupid, closet-squish-democrat Clinton fellaters. Got it.

No, really, we got it.

Now please burst into flames and die a screaming, agonizing death. Or, barring that possibility, just go away.

M240H on March 22, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Spare us the histrionics.

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 4:49 PM

There are also Moby’s who spam the site with support for Romney, but whatcat chooses not to see them.
JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Yes, there are a few of that type who also only seek to grunt one out to start arguments. But the overwhelming majority of the ranting psycho Mobys are devoted to portraying the Kos cartoon image of Teh True Conservative going off on barely-literate suckerbait RDS tirades. The Mobys really fear Romney – which, as I noted above, is telling.

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Still no counter argument nor support for your assertion.

Carry on.

Please.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Your inability to read what I posted is not my problem. I am not obligated to provide a counterpoint when I am debating Fruit and you demand Meat. I stated your cometary has zero relevance to what I was discussing, and from that you should infer, (were you not in my opinion, suffering from some variety of mental defect), that I will not allow you to define the narrative or force me to argue your strawmen.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 4:55 PM

This is the second time I’ve ever agreed with Obama on anything.

Crusty on March 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Nah, it is called leftwing-democrat meddling.

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Physician, heal thyself.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 4:46 PM

hmmm, my oh my, so those EVIL DEMOCRATS TOOK TO MEDDLING
with good ol Mitt’s masterpiece legislation??

Quite possibly one of the all time LAMEST excuses
ever typed into cyberpsce on HA.

Newsflash for you “Bill” Mitt Romney should NEVER have
signed the damned bill into law in the first place! Did
you ever listen to Ronald Reagan deliver a speech on
the perils of universal health care?? (1960′s). Maybe you
should give that a listen and then refrain from your
absolutely idiotic spin on this topic. Romney owns this
travesty, lock, stock and barrel! He could’ve had this nomination
wrapped before it ever got started, but he signed this bill
into LAW, and a hell of a lot of Republicans across the
country do not trust the man.

Keep trashing everyone on here that disagrees with you on this topic..you make yourself look very weak.

ToddPA on March 22, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Your inability to read what I posted is not my problem. I am not obligated to provide a counterpoint when I am debating Fruit and you demand Meat. I stated your cometary has zero relevance to what I was discussing, and from that you should infer, (were you not in my opinion, suffering from some variety of mental defect), that I will not allow you to define the narrative or force me to argue your strawmen.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Like I said,

Still no counter argument nor support for your assertion.

Carry on.

Please.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 4:59 PM

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Spare me your false indignation., your pretense of true conservatism, and your general stupidity. Round up your phony ABR posse and take SliverDick with you.

M240H on March 22, 2012 at 5:00 PM

I’m enjoying Tina’s excellent contributions to this web site. Keep writing these great OPs TK and I’ll keep reading them.

BoxHead1 on March 22, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Quite possibly one of the all time LAMEST excuses
ever typed into cyberpsce on HA.

ToddPA on March 22, 2012 at 4:59 PM

So, Reagan is responsible for what the democrats have done to California after he left the Governorship?

Keep making weak arguments like this and the ABRtards will love you.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 5:02 PM

How many times does Romney have to say it? Applying the plan to one state is different that applying it to the entire country.

nazo311 on March 22, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Evil applied at the state level is still evil. Legal does not mean “good.” Within the acknowledged powers of a stated does not mean it was “a wise plan.”

So what if it was “legal.”

Was it good?

I think the answer to that is pretty obvious. Romneycare was an abomination.

I’d remind people that pretty much every inhuman horror ever inflicted on people by their government from ancient Egypt, through the horrors of Soviet Russia, Communist China, and Nazi Germany was considered “Legal.”

The color of law has zero to do with the morality of it.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Spare me your false indignation., your pretense of true conservatism, and your general stupidity. Round up your phony ABR posse and take SliverDick with you.

M240H on March 22, 2012 at 5:00 PM

And if we refuse to go you will do what to us exactly?

Oh.

Nothing.

Your threats are pretty empty. Your demands fall on empty ears.

You won’t drive anyone away from this site.

What you WILL do is drive people away from the voting booth.

No… I think we will stay right here. We will continue to point out your folly, we will continue to point out the vapid black hole that has replaced the moral core o the republican party, and most of all, we will be here to wave our fingers, and tell you “I told you so” when Obama eats Willard’s face off in the election.

You don’t like? Don’t read it. That, in the end, is the limit of your power.

Somehow, I am not trembling in fear.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Sorry, buddy. The “I believe it, therefore it’s true” line of reasoning doesn’t fly on HotAir.

The bill that Romney passed had numerous problems that you can read about right here

His own bill contained the provisions for the implementation of the Health Care Quality and Cost Council, which is responsible for the rationing of care.

But that’s okay. You continue to blame Romney’s failing health care program on those damned Massachusetts Democrats. You won’t convince anyone but your fellow Romney worshipers.

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Yes, there are a few of that type who also only seek to grunt one out to start arguments. But the overwhelming majority of the ranting psycho Mobys are devoted to portraying the Kos cartoon image of Teh True Conservative going off on barely-literate suckerbait RDS tirades. The Mobys really fear Romney – which, as I noted above, is telling.

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 4:52 PM

I see it much differently. I see them in equal numbers and equal veracity. YMMV though.

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Keep trashing everyone on here that disagrees with you on this topic..you make yourself look very weak.

ToddPA on March 22, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Mitt Romney could be caught in broad daylight, in downtown Boston, with a dead body at his feet and a smoking gun in his hand, and a hundred eyewitnesses, and Gunlock Bill would still scream “The Democrats did it!”

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Spare me your false indignation., your pretense of true conservatism, and your general stupidity. Round up your phony ABR posse and take SliverDick with you.

M240H on March 22, 2012 at 5:00 PM

projection

Projection is a defense mechanism that involves taking our own unacceptable qualities or feelings and ascribing them to other people.

Nice demo, Mittbot!

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 5:17 PM

But that’s okay. You continue to blame Romney’s failing health care program on those damned Massachusetts Democrats. You won’t convince anyone but your fellow Romney worshipers

Whenever I see some political hack complain that his hideous little piece of liberty destroying legislation has been hijacked into an even more voracious freedom consuming nightmare, I am reminded of a phrase that was once popular:

“The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

I don’t care what their intentions were. It’s their loadstone, they carefully hung it around their neck, and by God, the results matter, and they are responsible for what they brought into the world.

Intentions be damned. Negligence, ignorance, or abject stupidity does not absolve one of their past crimes – even when they had the best of intentions…

Go tell all the people getting “rationed to death” in Mass that Willard Fillmoure Romneycare has the “best of intentions” when he signed the bill that was to become their death warrant.

I am sure Grandma will understand why Grandpas has to die now.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 5:20 PM

What Romney signed into law has led to the necessity for these current actions. It’s called “cause and effect.” It’s a pretty simple concept. Maybe even you could understand it, if the issue didn’t relate to Mitt Romney.

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 4:41 PM

So should we also be blaming the conservative Heritage Foundation who were consultant to Mittens on the crafting of a Mass HC program that stayed clear of being HillaryCare 2.0 ?

Did they drop the ball as well by not predicting the coming Age of Obama ?

FlaMurph on March 22, 2012 at 5:20 PM

So should we also be blaming the conservative Heritage Foundation who were consultant to Mittens on the crafting of a Mass HC program that stayed clear of being HillaryCare 2.0 ?

Did they drop the ball as well by not predicting the coming Age of Obama ?

FlaMurph on March 22, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Yes they did drop the ball. And in my mind their credibility took a massive hit. I never trust them are a primary source anymore because of their support of romneycare. I always question, and double check anything they say – they damaged their brand as the marketing kids say.

That being said, the Heritage Foundation admitted their mistake, backed away from the position, and acknowledged that what they supported has been mad even worse than it already was.

Why has Willard Fillmoure Romneycare still not walked away from his foray into Communism?

The HF admitted to screwing up. Willard refuses to do that.

I can forgive a mistake. When will Romney admit his?

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 5:26 PM

So, Reagan is responsible for what the democrats have done to California after he left the Governorship?

Keep making weak arguments like this and the ABRtards will love you.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 5:02 PM

What changes have the Democrats made to Romneycare that have messed it up? And if the Democrats have caused the failures, then why is Romney still defending it?

I’m through wasting my time refuting your BS. Have a nice time defending Romney no matter what.

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 5:27 PM

The bill that Romney passed had numerous problems that you can read about right here

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Ah, yes, the CATO report that says this.

The health care plans advocated by all three of the leading Democratic presidential candidates- Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and Barack Obama-are all substantially the same as Romney’s.

Neglecting, of course, that Mass-care was for a state and not for the nation.

You know, the difference that makes one constitutional and the other not.

If the mandate for all to purchase insurance is unconstitutional (which it is, or at least should be), then wouldn’t the mandate passed by Ronald Reagan for hospitals to treat all regardless of ability to pay be just as unconstitutional?

Got to love that Ronald Reagan, the model of pure conservatism.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 5:28 PM

So should we also be blaming the conservative Heritage Foundation who were consultant to Mittens on the crafting of a Mass HC program that stayed clear of being HillaryCare 2.0 ?

Did they drop the ball as well by not predicting the coming Age of Obama ?

FlaMurph on March 22, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Yes. Indeed. They are partly responsible for this. Why would you think I would say otherwise? I have worked in the medical profession, and I have always been against mandates. I didn’t agree with the Heritage Foundation.

Is the fact that the Heritage Foundation messed up somehow supposed to absolve Romney from his responsibility?

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 5:30 PM

And if the Democrats have caused the failures, then why is Romney still defending it?

You really don’t pay attention do you. Romney defends what he did, not what has been done since he left Mass Governorship.

I’m through wasting my time refuting your BS. Have a nice time defending Romney no matter what.

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 5:27 PM

And you keep making assertions and attacking Romney no matter what.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Projection is a defense mechanism that involves taking our own unacceptable qualities or feelings and ascribing them to other people.

Nice demo, Mittbot!

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Nice try. The problem for you -and Angryed, Gregor, and others who pretend to be purists- is that when when the alleged Mittbots make the post conceding Mitt’s faults, as I did previously in this very thread, you never address that.

Because you are a troll. You are working for Obama. You want an unelectable candidate.
I will vote for whomever the Republican nominee is. Every single alleged Mittbot has said that for months- because we want Obama gone.

You don’t. Because you are a troll working for Obama.

M240H on March 22, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Romneycare has, in fact, not made healthcare better or saved costs in Massachusetts. It’s done just the opposite.

The problem with this statement is the fact that health care costs have risen in Mass, AT A LOWER RATE than the national average.

So, relatively speaking, it is working as intended.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 5:28 PM

You can’t refute the factual arguments about the failures of Romneycare that are in that CATO Institute report, so you’re forced to cherry pick something that supposedly discredits the whole thing.

refute this report, genius

Executive Summary: Roadmap to Cost Containment
Introduction
Health care cost increases in Massachusetts and the nation are unsustainable. Rates of increase
far outpace growth in the economy, threaten the financial health of individuals and businesses,
and squeeze out other priorities for government spending. This is a national problem, but
Massachusetts must identify and implement policies and actions at the state level to address what
many describe as a crisis now. Left unchecked, health care costs in Massachusetts are expected
to rise by an average of six percent annually during the period 2010-2020,1 while GDP is
projected to grow at less than four percent (see figure 1 below). It is therefore imperative that we
undertake meaningful health care cost control efforts in the Commonwealth. At the same time,
Massachusetts has a high-quality health care system. Effective cost control need not compromise
that quality and should, if done right, enhance it.

Get back to me after you’ve read all 96 pages.

Oh, I’m sure we’ll be back to the “Democrats messed with it” defense, won’t we?

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Nice try. The problem for you -and Angryed, Gregor, and others who pretend to be purists- is that when when the alleged Mittbots make the post conceding Mitt’s faults, as I did previously in this very thread, you never address that.

Because you are a troll. You are working for Obama. You want an unelectable candidate.
I will vote for whomever the Republican nominee is. Every single alleged Mittbot has said that for months- because we want Obama gone.

You don’t. Because you are a troll working for Obama.

M240H on March 22, 2012 at 5:31 PM

So the conservatives who hate Mitt for being a liberal are paid King Barry Hussein trolls now?

Ummm where do I get the paycheck if that’s the case?

I mean, shoot, if I can get paid for defending conservatism from the moderate squishes…

Where do I sign up to get some money for this?

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 5:36 PM

He did a lot more than computer modeling. He was a near constant presence at hhs during this time and took part in high-level policy meetings in a way that had very little do with modeling. He also played a huge role in designing how the Connector would work, and in implementing it. He also one of the most active and influential members of the Connector Board, which manages pretty much every aspect of the program. He still might be; I’m not sure.

Just Sayin on March 22, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Thank you for that information. I just found this:

The role of Gruber could complicate the Romney campaign’s efforts to address the issue. An economist who specializes in health-care issues, he was hired by the Romney’s administration as a consultant and asked to run computer models on the costs of various approaches to extending health-care coverage. He told NBC News he attended one meeting with Romney in which the then governor forcefully insisted on including a controversial provision that some of his political advisers were wary about: the “individual mandate” that would require everybody in the state to purchase health insurance or face a tax penalty.

The same provision has since become the most contentious feature of Obama’s Affordable Care Act.

“This was a big decision to be made and Governor Romney clearly stated that he believed without an individual mandate healthy people could just free ride on the system,” Gruber said of Romney’s decision.

Connection played down
Romney aides have recently tried to suggest that Gruber was not a true adviser to Romney and did not play a big role in shaping the law. But Gruber was personally recognized by Romney for his role when he signed the health-care bill into law and was later appointed by Romney as a board member to the Connector Authority.

Mr. Arkadin on March 22, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Is the fact that the Heritage Foundation messed up somehow supposed to absolve Romney from his responsibility?

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Which is the expert governmental “Think Tank” and which is the bidnessman ?

Me thinks you give Mittens too much credit.

FlaMurph on March 22, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Nice try. The problem for you -and Angryed, Gregor, and others who pretend to be purists- is that when when the alleged Mittbots make the post conceding Mitt’s faults, as I did previously in this very thread, you never address that.

Because you are a troll. You are working for Obama. You want an unelectable candidate.
I will vote for whomever the Republican nominee is. Every single alleged Mittbot has said that for months- because we want Obama gone.

You don’t. Because you are a troll working for Obama.

M240H on March 22, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Unfortunately, we could add several more names to this list.

Gunlock Bill on March 22, 2012 at 5:37 PM

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