Obama: Romney is just “pretending” his health care plan was different than mine

posted at 1:20 pm on March 22, 2012 by Tina Korbe

Just as conservatives have always warned, if the GOP nominates Mitt Romney for president, the current president will try to use him as a scapegoat for Obamacare. Proof:

“We designed a program that actually previously had support of Republicans, including the person who may end up being the Republican standard bearer and is now pretending like he came up with something different,” the president said.

The Massachusetts plan served as a model for the Affordable Care Act, signed two years ago Friday. Romney, the state’s former governor, has since said the legislation was the correct course for his state but not meant as a model for a national overhaul. But the plan has proved a focal point of criticism aimed at the GOP frontrunner.

In Thursday’s interview, Obama said Republican opposition to the plan, including the Supreme Court challenge, is politically motivated.

Maybe “scapegoat” isn’t exactly the best word. In this interview, Obama was extolling the virtues of Obamacare and tying Romney to it, so maybe he was actually trying to share “credit” for the health care overhaul.

Either way, the only defense Romney has offered for Romneycare — still – is that he signed it into law at the state level. Ann Coulter has argued that that is an adequate defense.

But if for no other reason than that Romneycare included an individual mandate, it’s problematic. Sure, a mandate at the state level is constitutional, but, in case you’ve forgotten, a federal mandate to buy insurance is not constitutional. Moreover, once upon a time, Romney explicitly expressed support for a national mandate.

It’s been two years since the president signed Obamacare into law and, for two years, conservatives have known Romney would be in trouble for the way Romneycare connects him to the least-liked entitlement program in the nation’s history. Two years and I still don’t see how Romney gets around this issue.

Romney adviser Eric Fehrnstrohm says the campaign will clear its Etch a Sketch for the general election, but no magic and no messaging will erase Romneycare. It has been and will be his Achilles heel unless and until he completely disavows it.

Phil Kerpen is hopeful that Romney can win Obama in the “battle of the health care flip-floppers,” but I’m not so sure. Will undecideds who despise Obamacare look at Romney and see a clear difference? It’s the same question that’s plagued the Romney campaign from Day One. So, why won’t he do something about it and disavow Romneycare completely?


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Somehow, I am not trembling in fear.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 5:06 PM

No, but you do emit one heckuva d-bag vibe. Why don’t you write in “”Conan The Barbarian” on your ballot? That’ll teach everyone a lesson, Mr. “Bodybags”!

M240H on March 22, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Because you are a troll. You are working for Obama. You want an unelectable candidate.
I will vote for whomever the Republican nominee is. Every single alleged Mittbot has said that for months- because we want Obama gone.

You don’t. Because you are a troll working for Obama.

M240H on March 22, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Thank you for establishing, beyond all doubt, that you have absolutely no credibility. Nobody but a paranoid lunatic like yourself could believe this.

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 5:40 PM

A good post from Cold Fury….

Not Obama. No, really: NOT
Bah!, Distinction Without A Difference
by Michael Gene Hendrix

http://coldfury.com/index.php/2012/03/22/not-obama-no-really-not/

Go ahead, pull the other leg while you’re at it.

When lieutenant governor Kerry Healey, a fellow Republican, called for suspending the state’s 23.5 cent gas tax during a price spike in May 2006, Romney rejected the idea, saying it would only further drive up gasoline consumption. “I don’t think that now is the time, and I’m not sure there will be the right time, for us to encourage the use of more gasoline,” Romney said, according to the Quincy Patriot Ledger’s report at the time. “I’m very much in favor of people recognizing that these high gasoline prices are probably here to stay.”

Let’s see now: the “recovering” economy, TARP, Oromneycare, high gas prices and our “addiction” to oil: is there anything this big-government phony doesn’t agree with King Barrack The Magnificent on? And as such, can anyone give me a good reason why any actual conservative would vote for him?

Oh yeah, that’s right: we have to. Because the New Whig Party says so. And because he’s “not Obama.” Once again, Jeff says it for me:

Of course, we probably shouldn’t read too much into this. After all, as Ann Coulter keeps reminding us, Romneyonly said such things to fool Democrats into embracing his leadership — after first having fooled the electorate of the bluest of blue states into voting Republican in the first place. He then fooled Democrats even more by seeming to actually believe in their agenda, before finally completing his genius charade by actually legislating for those beliefs. Poor liberal saps never even knew what kind of savvy political gamesmanship had hit ‘em!

Oh, it’s savvy political gamesmanship all right. But not of the sort Coulter seems to think.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Which is the expert governmental “Think Tank” and which is the bidnessman ?

Me thinks you give Mittens too much credit.

FlaMurph on March 22, 2012 at 5:37 PM

What is your point, exactly? I’m supposed to blame the governmental think tank and absolve Romney because he listened to their expert advice?

The governmental think tank has since backpedaled on the mandate. Romney has not.

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 5:43 PM

No, but you do emit one heckuva d-bag vibe. Why don’t you write in “”Conan The Barbarian” on your ballot? That’ll teach everyone a lesson, Mr. “Bodybags”!

M240H on March 22, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Actually I was considering Heckle and Jeckle. Because nihilistic bats*&t insane magpies beat anyone else likely to end up on the ticket this year.

Aunty Entity is a close runner-up.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Thank you for establishing, beyond all doubt, that you have absolutely no credibility. Nobody but a paranoid lunatic like yourself could believe this.

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 5:40 PM

W/l you do here is tear down the presumptive nominee. You offer no path to a better nominee for this November. You propose nothing but doom.

It is you and your ilk who have no credibility. I will vote for a foot stool over Obama, and you guys propose voting not at all… or for Obama?

You. Are. Troll.

M240H on March 22, 2012 at 5:45 PM

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 5:36 PM

You will never get this- but MassCare problems and costs are Massachusetts problems, because it is only for them. The can legalize bestiality for all I care. It’s their right as a state. Just like banning contraception on the state level. Some people think this OK too.

Its not OK for a federal program to to duplicate this HC plan- no matter how similar the programs may be. States have rights too, and protection from this exact type of federal power.

and besides, instead of getting all wee weed up about this, and running with obviously divisive Ocommie propaganda… just wait and see where SCOTUS come down on this. If obiecare does pass as constitutional it no longer will be a campaign issue anyway.

FlaMurph on March 22, 2012 at 5:54 PM


Obama: Romney is just “pretending” his health care plan was different than mine

If by pretending Obama means lying then I agree. I’m going to vote libertarian or something.

casuist on March 22, 2012 at 5:59 PM

I will vote for a foot stool over Obama, and you guys propose voting not at all…

I am sorry. (Actually I very much unapologetic…)

I am not a mindless drone who votes for anything providing it’s labeled with the proper team mascot. As I have a higher thought process than your average syphilitic garden slug or mittbot – but I repeat myself – I am capable of understanding what a perverse incentive process those who settle for the “little Satan” continue to materially support.

I for one, will hold onto my principles, as these are far more valuable than suffering or hardship, or even continuing to draw breath. My beliefs are sacrosanct, and if the Republicans refuse to at least make an effort to cater to them, then, to be blunt, they can go strait to hell.

Why would I support with my time and my fortune, a wicked man, who stands opposed to so much of what I hold dear? Indeed, to compromise yourself so fundamentally does not only destroy one’s self respect and personal honor, but it incentivises the Republican party to continue thrusting horrible, moderate mushbags on the conservatives that form their base.

No.

Enough democrat-lite. Enough conceding the battle before it’s even fought. Give us a god@*($ed conservative, or don’t expect our votes.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Romney doesn’t disavow Romneycare because that will get him absolutely no additional support from any side. What he needs to do is explain the reasons Romneycare came about to people like Tina Korbe who are clueless about this. That includes pointing out that:
A)it was a scheme that saved the existence of health insurance companies from a path to a single payer system. This was decried as a radical right wing scheme to scuttle the entire plan of a government health care plan.
B)it was about transferring costs out of the overcrowded Emergency Room due to the Reagan mandate as much as it was about outright trying to save costs.
C)There were line item veto overides on RomneyCare
D)coverages were expanded after he was out of office
E)Masshealth free insurance for the poor predated the entire Romney care idea. There really is not new free care in the program at all. It was mostly closing the gap between private plans and the free plan by creating in between subsidized plans.

I think those of you who don’t live in MA or understand the state politics need to get a clue about all of this before you continue blaming Romney for creating new universal coverage programs, which really isn’t even true.

Resolute on March 22, 2012 at 6:07 PM

instead of getting all wee weed up about this,

This is the problem with moderates. They don’t see this healthcare sh*& for the republic destroying, civil war starting behemoth that it truly is.

Not something to get upset over?

This is the death of freedom in this nation. That is what Obamacare represents. This is what is at stake. If they can order this, then the government is truly all-powerful, and the constitution is forever destroyed. And we will be on an unstoppable path to war.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 6:08 PM

FlaMurph on March 22, 2012 at 5:54 PM

What do you mean I’ll never get it? You assume way too much. I don’t disagree with anything you said until you get to the part where you seem to think that we should ignore this, as an issue, or we’re engaging in propaganda for Obama.

Romney has his healthcare plan hanging over his head, like it or not. It is an issue a lot of people are concerned about. There are also several states looking at implementing a similar program. I don’t want it for my state. Romney is still defending the mandate, which causes me to not trust him on Obamacare. Pointing that out does not make me an Obama propagandist. And neither does arguing the merits of Romneycare with sycophants who will defend Romney no matter what.

JannyMae on March 22, 2012 at 6:14 PM

No I spelled it correctly.

Meow on March 22, 2012 at 4:09 PM

What a “peice” of work you are, fit for a leftist site, where errors are removed.

If it keeps you from slobbering on the floor, you can call Santorum whatever you want.

Lightswitch on March 22, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Mr. Arkadin on March 22, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Interesting stuff. Thanks for posting.

Just Sayin on March 22, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Mitt will handle this weakling when the general campaign begins. I believe his knowledge of health care issues makes him the perfect person to challenge Obama. Look at Obama out there now, lying about virtually everything. It won’t be difficult to bring him down. I can’t wait, and only wish Santorum would get out of the way so Romney can get organized for the General.

lhuffman34 on March 22, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Moreover, once upon a time, Romney explicitly expressed support for a national mandate.

Really, Tina? When? Where? How? Link?

Seixon on March 22, 2012 at 6:37 PM

whatcat on March 22, 2012 at 3:43 PM

I’ve been busy and just saw your reply. So you despise links? Even when they’re from news of the time and not postdated opinion?

Well, I’m not surprised.

INC on March 22, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Moreover, once upon a time, Romney explicitly expressed support for a national mandate.

Really, Tina? When? Where? How? Link?

Seixon on March 22, 2012 at 6:37 PM

From a June 2009 appearance on Meet the Press, Mitt Romney touts his plan as model for national health care reform and supports Wyden-Bennet as a model, which includes a federal individual mandate

You’re welcome

Roy Rogers on March 22, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Seixon on March 22, 2012 at 6:37 PM

In case Tina doesn’t see your questions.

I’ll endorse Roy Rogers and add this. The second link is to the transcript to that MTP.

Did Romney Support a Federal Mandate During the Obamacare Debate?

There’s also this MTP in which Romney expressed support for the Wyden-Bennett bill in Congress:

We have a healthcare plan. You, you look at Wyden-Bennett, that’s a healthcare plan that a number of Republicans think is a very good healthcare plan, one that we support.

W-B included an individual mandate.

INC on March 22, 2012 at 6:53 PM

And this is from Andrew Kaczynski at BuzzFeed. He has numerous embedded links.

Across Four Aprils: Mitt Romney’s Long, Careful Health Care Evolution

Romney supporters need to realize the Dems will use all of this.

INC on March 22, 2012 at 6:56 PM

The ultra conservative Heritage Foundation that Rush and Hannity promote, came up with the Romneycare mandate.

Nice cherry-picking… allow me to finish the story…

…And then the Heritage foundation backed away from it faster than the speed of light once they found out how awful Romneycare was… I wonder why Willard has not disavowed his foray into communism…

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 4:39 PM

The mandate is not the problem with rObamaCare. It is all the rest that they write into law with it. The mandate expands the base (taxes the lower middle class) by forcing them to pay for health care that otherwise taxes would pay for.

But the progressives (Republicans and Democrats) lard up these laws with every pet project they can think of. My word free contraception but expensive heart medicine. Free abortions but expensive medicine for every thing else. Just mandate a catastrophic insurance coverage that would cover emergency room care by jacking up the rates like automobile insurance. This way people actually pay for care they receive. They abuse the system and they pay for the damage they do eventually.

Instead RobamaCare implements the communist/socialist health care system under the guise of private insurance. It is nothing of the kind. It is complete government control. A mandate should only be a minimalist policy that is totally private. Sure most would opt for additional coverage (like for birth control) but that should be their choice.

Romney thinks people are so stupid the Government must make all choices for them. He thinks we are just sheep needing a good Shepard like him. But he is actually a wolf.

Steveangell on March 22, 2012 at 7:25 PM

FlaMurph on March 22, 2012 at 5:54 PM

if only that were true, romneycare sucks up federal money big time

chasdal on March 22, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Look. This conversation is moot at the moment. Oral arguments begin promptly @ 9:00 am March,26th, 2012 One First Street N.E.,
Washington, DC 20543

DevilsPrinciple on March 23, 2012 at 6:42 AM

Enough democrat-lite. Enough conceding the battle before it’s even fought. Give us a god@*($ed conservative, or don’t expect our votes.

SilverDeth on March 22, 2012 at 6:04 PM

No problem. When you are led into the arena, just ask the lions to eat you last.
Obama or Slobama. Helluva choice there.

swinia sutki on March 23, 2012 at 6:46 AM

Either way, the only defense Romney has offered for Romneycare — still – is that he signed it into law at the state level. Ann Coulter has argued that that is an adequate defense.
But if for no other reason than that Romneycare included an individual mandate, it’s problematic. Sure, a mandate at the state level is constitutional, but, in case you’ve forgotten, a federal mandate to buy insurance is not constitutional. Moreover, once upon a time, Romney explicitly expressed support for a national mandate.

A few points –

1) Thanks for the honesty.
2) Ann Coulter has shown her Ruling Class bias more than once, do not care what she has to say about anything. Actually, her saying Willard’s excuse for RomneyCare speaks volumes, thanks Ann for revealing your Establishment cred once again.
3) Given the national mandate support expressed by Mitt means Obama is right after all, it sucks but its the truth.

insidiator on March 23, 2012 at 8:03 AM

You will never get this- but MassCare problems and costs are Massachusetts problems, because it is only for them.
FlaMurph on March 22, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Only one fly in that ointment. Mass is deeply in debt and borrowing money from the fed. Companies are fleeing the state and leaving more people unemployed.

Romneycare the gift that keeps giving.

Can we at least try to draft an actual conservative? I am ired of holding my nose and voting for the lesser of two weeviles.

dogsoldier on March 23, 2012 at 9:07 AM

The thing is, Romney can’t disavow RomneyCare now, at least not with any credibility. At the start of the campaign he could have, but he’s spent months out on the stump defending it. What would be his rationale for disavowing it now, other than political pandering?

Jeff A on March 23, 2012 at 9:08 AM

the current president will try to use him as a scapegoat for Obamacare

Bring it on. I wish Romney would stop trying so hard to nitpick the differences between the plans and focus on the big one, and say something like:

Well, Mr. President, my Massachusetts plan was the best we could do for that state at the time. It’s what the overwhelming majority of the people who live there wanted. No legislators votes for that plan were purchased. And anyone that wanted to read the plan before it was enacted was allowed to read it.

Unlike me, you forced your plan down the throats of residents of every state whether they liked it or not. You didn’t let their representatives look at the plan before you demanded they vote for it. Instead, Mrs. Pelosi explained to them that they had to vote for it to find out what’s in it.

Well, Mr. President. Even Massachusetts thinks the plan is a bad one for this great country. Senator Scott Brown proved that in 2010.

As President, I would not block any state that desires to implement any health plan that their residents want to adopt. But as a former governor who managed to balance budgets in the face of the federal governments many unfunded mandates, I’m not about to mandate any plan for them.

That’s why my first act as President next January will be to issue an executive order granting waivers to any state that requests one. . . .

EconomicNeocon on March 23, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Lightswitch on March 22, 2012 at 6:15 PM

What a fragile existence you live in besides the fact you makes no sense whatsover. You just come off like a spaz.
And why is it you can call me a d!ck but I can’t call a guy who’s name is Richard dick? Are you even aware it’s a nickname for Richard? Can I say Dick Cheney? Dick Morris? Tricky Dick Nixon?
Now it’s my fault Santy has d!ck name? You’re not going to like this but they also call him Woody.

Meow on March 23, 2012 at 12:05 PM

It makes me sick when 0bama is right for a change. Romney IS “pretending” his health care plan was different from 0bamacare!

Here in the sticks we call that person a LIAR.

DannoJyd on March 25, 2012 at 1:24 PM

The truth is that RomneyCare is the precursor to ObamaCare. RomneyCare, with a mandate and a myriad of regulations and grants of authority to the state, provided the blueprint for ObamaCare. The only difference is that RomneyCare was done at the state level and thus was socialized medicine at the state level, and ObamaCare is being done at the national level and thus is socialized medicine at the national level. That difference does not provide a politically persuasive basis for saying we ought to repeal ObamaCare unless you say that we learned with RomneyCare that it did not work, which Romney has never said. Instead, Romney is not being candid about the subject, which is par for the course about too many things.

ObamaCare ought to be a major issue in the 2012 campaign, but Republicans are kidding themselves, if Romney is the nominee, that Republicans won’t get hurt by Romney’s association with RomneyCare.

Phil Byler on March 25, 2012 at 3:24 PM

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