Jeb Bush: Make Rubio the VP nominee; Update: Perry: “I have a better gig”

posted at 9:15 am on March 22, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Yesterday’s endorsement of Mitt Romney by former Florida governor Jeb Bush sent the implicit message that the time had come to wrap up the nomination process and begin focusing on the general election.  Bush made that more explicit in an interview with Pittsburgh Tribune-Review’s Salena Zito — and Bush had an idea how to make the ticket even stronger:

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush says Republican front-runner Mitt Romney has earned the right to take on President Obama in November.

“It is time to get behind the nominee,” Bush told the Tribune-Review on Wednesday during a visit to Pittsburgh. “And it is time for the country to focus on the most important thing, which is to elect a president who will create a climate for high growth and job-creating abilities for our country.”

Does he want to be VP?  No, but he knows the man for the job:

“Marco Rubio,” he said of the freshman Florida GOP senator, who served as a volunteer on Bush’s governor’s campaign. Bush described Rubio, 40, as “dynamic, joyful, disciplined and principled.”

“He is the best orator of American politics today, a good family man. He is not only a consistent conservative, but he has managed to find a way to communicate a conservative message full of hope and optimism,” Bush said.

No doubt, Rubio would be a popular choice for a running mate in the GOP.  He routinely wins the polls here at Hot Air for the slot, for example.  If Romney does win the nomination — and that seems just short of certain now — he’d need a popular figure like Rubio among conservatives, and I’m not sure there’s another choice that could help him consolidate the base as effectively.

However, I’m still not sold on this as an effective general-election choice.  Rubio has not had any executive-branch experience yet, and has been in the Senate for a mere 14 months.  He needs more time to garner broader experience before one can make the claim that he has a resumé that justifies him being one heartbeat away from the Presidency.  (Yes, I know Obama only had two years in the Senate before beginning his run for the top spot.  Look how well that’s working out.)  As talented as Rubio is, he has a brilliant career ahead of him if he shows some patience and builds a record of more than just fabulous oratory.  He needs a full term in the Senate with his name on significant legislation, then a term as governor in Florida.  With that kind of record, Rubio might be unbeatable in any cycle.  With four or eight years as VP after less than two in the Senate, Rubio could end up being a historical footnote.

Bobby Jindal makes more sense as a running mate in this cycle, or Nikki Haley, both of whom are governors outside of Washington with Southern draw.  Jindal probably would be better in getting conservatives to coalesce behind him, and he has a real track record of political reform in his second term in the top spot in Louisiana.

Update: Fox asked Rick Perry about rumors of his being on the shortlist, and Perry says that rumor is all it is:

“Texas governor versus VP? The balance on that one isn’t even close,” Perry said. “I would suggest to you that’s deep in the rumor category and I got a better gig where I am, thank you.”

Perry would make a pretty good running mate, though, and would help Romney get conservative backing.  I don’t see Perry in a #2 slot, however, and I doubt he sees himself there either.


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You’re going to need these people in the Zombie Obama Apocalypse, when the dead come out to vote for Obama.

Gladtobehere on March 22, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Ferget that! I’ve already updated my surveillance system to keep an eye on that boy. Its good to know that he only thinks I have cans of Pork and beans in my bunker pantry though. Little does he know I will eat well when the zombie Obama apocalypse comes.

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Nonsense. I did not contradict anything.

McCain’s parents were citizens. So far, so good.

McCain was born in Panama. Whoops. You can’t be a natural born citizen unless you were born in the US.

The last time I looked, Panama was not part of the US. It’s a foreign country. The US did have an interest in the Canal Zone, which was part of Panama, but the Canal Zone was not an official US territory when McCain was born there in June, 1936.

Yes, there was law passed in 1937 making people born in the Canal Zone US citizens retroactively, but you can’t be a natural born citizen if a statute bestowed your citizenship later. In other words, you have to be a citizen from birth, for starters, and if you were a citizen starting a year later, that’s not good enough.

Emperor Norton on March 22, 2012 at 11:37 AM

You absolutely did contradict yourself. You stated:

“You are being way too casual in your usage of “natural born citizen,” when you really mean native-born. They are not the same thing.”

You are right; they are not the same thing, but here you are trying to make them the same thing.

John McCain is a natural born citizen, but not a native born citizen because he was not born on U.S. soil. I don’t care about the 1937 law, Panama, or the Canal Zone. It is all immaterial because his parents were American citizens.

Dante on March 22, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Don’t kowtow to the Hispanics by nominating someone that is unarguably (obviously) too green now. A 2 year senator is all! A laughable and self-demeaning (to our side, and the Hispanics) pander.
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It’s not about kowtowing and bowing down to the Latinos that are overtaking the country. It’s about how to fight the illegal-driven demographic scourge that threatens the democracy as we know it.

Don’t blow this. Maybe someday Rubio could rise. Wait tell he’s ready. Put him out there now and he would be laughed into oblivion, kind of like Palin. And if he is to rise, let it be on his own accord, not from a cowardly pander.

anotherJoe on March 22, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Why in the world would Perry want to serve under someone who has much less experience and knowledge than him? None of the candidates have a record to match his (except maybe Newt), They have a nerve asking him after they did everything they could to destroy him in the primary, to make sure he wasn’t the candidate and I know all about the debates but to me they meant nothing when you get down to the nitty gritty.

Tn.-Vol on March 22, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Yawn. This is all academic. Romney will lose against Obama.

Better to concentrate on retaking the Senate and then run a right-of-center Republican in 2016.

Norwegian on March 22, 2012 at 11:40 AM

besser tot als rot on March 22, 2012 at 11:33 AM

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So don’t vote for Romney. Don’t vote for anyone. You don’t really need to explain to anyone your reasons for not wanting to vote for Romney, or anyone.

Whats the big deal ? Millions of people won’t be voting in November.

FlaMurph on March 22, 2012 at 11:41 AM

In my more suspicious moments, it seems to me that most of the
“Romney Supporters” here must be paid operatives working out of Axelrod’s op in Chicago, charged with the express remit of spreading dissension, despair and anger amongst conservatives. Reading the posts, above, suggests that if so, it is a highly effective and professional operation. In other words, it’s time for a Moby alert!

Scriptor on March 22, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Exhibit A: Jailbreak and Bluegill. These two clowns have had to be working for the D’s. They come in here and trash conservatives in Romney’s name and make him look like the turd that he is. I guarantee you that these people are or were (in Jailbreak’s case) Moby’s.

Now his people can’t want that to happen. But Obama’s people do.

victor82 on March 22, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Dante and Emperor Norton…what fitting handles. Y’all could just get a room and choke each others chicken, ’cause the birther nutballyness is really passe.

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 11:42 AM

What a hoot! Our pure-as-the-driven snow conservatives are going to sit out this election. The good news is that their counterparts, the left wingnuts, are also going to sit out this election. They’re all pissy because The One hasn’t shut down Gitmo, hasn’t raised taxes 200% or endorsed gay marriage. It all evens out.

jb34461 on March 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM

The real hoot to me, is I always considered my self a conservative Reagan republican.. now, you have a handful of supposed conservatives who try and define the movement as being conservative only as long as you agree with THEM, and THEM only.

The libertarians are the hardest of the hardcore “we are the true conservative” branch. When most aren’t even recognizable as conservatives to start. They claim to be, yet when you listen, it’s all about their aims to subvert the party towards their libertarinism. Fiscal con, maybe.. but they have nothing in common with social cons, defense cons and the rest.

mark81150 on March 22, 2012 at 11:45 AM

making any definition acceptable if the majority likes it.

mark81150 on March 22, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Right… because having the same views on the Constitution as 90% of the country makes me a screaming leftist..

mark81150 on March 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Nothing is really “defined” in the constitution. Your understanding of how the constitution should be interpreted (by how a “majority likes it”) means that the constitution has no meaning. I’d like to see evidence that 90% of the country agrees with that.

besser tot als rot on March 22, 2012 at 11:45 AM

A Romney/Rubio ticket would beat Obama, the Democrats are scared to death of that combination. Not only would you shore up a vital swing state, you’ll likely pull in other swing states with higher Latino populations like Nevada.

Also, the ticket needs some excitement and enthusiasm. I have zero doubt Rubio is the first person Romney asks. Next is probably McDonnell and then Portman.

BradTank on March 22, 2012 at 11:46 AM

The real hoot to me, is I always considered my self a conservative Reagan republican.. now, you have a handful of supposed conservatives who try and define the movement as being conservative only as long as you agree with THEM, and THEM only.

mark81150 on March 22, 2012 at 11:45 AM

The real hoot to me is that you’re doing exactly the same thing.

besser tot als rot on March 22, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Would love to see rubio debate plugs the way he did with The Tan.

jaboba on March 22, 2012 at 11:47 AM

The libertarians are the hardest of the hardcore “we are the true conservative” branch.

mark81150 on March 22, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Keep diggin’ that hole.

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 11:47 AM

John McCain is a natural born citizen, but not a native born citizen because he was not born on U.S. soil.

Dante, yours is one of the daffiest statements I’ve ever seen on Hot Air.

To qualify as a “natural born citizen,” as understood by the Founders, you must pass both of these tests:

1. Were you born on US soil?
2. Were your parents US citizens when you were born?

The phrase “natural born citizen” appears in the US Constitution. The phrase “native born” means only the “born on US soil” part of the two-part test, above.

McCain was not born on US soil. His parents were US citizens at the time of his birth. Therefore, McCain passed only one of the two tests. That’s not good enough. McCain is not eligible.

Emperor Norton on March 22, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Perry won’t seel his core, just because Mitt needs one.

If Mitt wins the primaries it will be Gov. McDonnell of VA, because he’s term-limited and got on the Mitt-wagon early.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 11:50 AM

seel = sell

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 11:50 AM

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..Palin, and Santorum for that matter, will have no role to play in the general election, and in a Romney administration. They are too toxic. Like Mike Huckabee, they will get talk shows and radio gigs. If Santorum makes noises to run again in the future, he will be told by the party, like Huckabee was, to stand down…

Mr. Arkadin on March 22, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Actually, some of your fellow Romney supporters think running Huckabee as Romney’s VP, “although he is not adored by conservatives… would be a great pick for Romney” and “a genius idea.” Jaw-dropping.

de rigueur on March 22, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Emperor Norton on March 22, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Gotta’ love it. Even birther nutballs bash birther nutballs. Keep it up while I go find some popcorn.

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 11:51 AM

In my more suspicious moments, it seems to me that most of the
“Romney Supporters” here must be paid operatives working out of Axelrod’s op in Chicago, charged with the express remit of spreading dissension, despair and anger amongst conservatives. Reading the posts, above, suggests that if so, it is a highly effective and professional operation. In other words, it’s time for a Moby alert!

Scriptor on March 22, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Then again, Axelrod and the rest of the dems want Santorum to win so they can make him the face of the GOP and destroy him, so no.

Swerve22 on March 22, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Little does he know I will eat well when the zombie Obama apocalypse comes.

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 11:37 AM

How could I forget the coming zombie Apocalypse?….

45ACP is your friend..

mark81150 on March 22, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Rubio will NOT be the VP.

If ever, but it’s a very big if, due to his citizenship status, he’ll run in 2016, for president. He’s not getting enmeshed into the Obama/Rubio eternal status debate in 2012. He’s too smart and serious for that.

Also, what experience exactly does he have to be president now? That’s the sole purpose of a VP, aside from talking stupid, like Biden, and going to funerals around the world.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 11:53 AM

That’s a winning ticket right there. I look forward to the debate between Biden and Rubio.

leftophobe on March 22, 2012 at 11:53 AM

McCain was not born on US soil. His parents were US citizens at the time of his birth. Therefore, McCain passed only one of the two tests. That’s not good enough. McCain is not eligible.

Emperor Norton on March 22, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Constitutional law. It’s not your thing, is it?

Irritable Pundit on March 22, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Dante, yours is one of the daffiest statements I’ve ever seen on Hot Air.

To qualify as a “natural born citizen,” as understood by the Founders, you must pass both of these tests:

1. Were you born on US soil?
2. Were your parents US citizens when you were born?

The phrase “natural born citizen” appears in the US Constitution. The phrase “native born” means only the “born on US soil” part of the two-part test, above.

McCain was not born on US soil. His parents were US citizens at the time of his birth. Therefore, McCain passed only one of the two tests. That’s not good enough. McCain is not eligible.

Emperor Norton on March 22, 2012 at 11:49 AM

You are confusing natural born with native born. Being born on US soil makes on native born, but not necessarily natural born. Having parents as US citizens makes one natural born, but not necessarily native born. Native born is dependent on location of birth; natural born is dependent on citizenship status of your parents.

You need to reread Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution. You will find no mention of U.S. soil anywhere.

Dante on March 22, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Actually, some of your fellow Romney supporters think running Huckabee as Romney’s VP, “although he is not adored by conservatives… would be a great pick for Romney” and “a genius idea.” Jaw-dropping.

de rigueur on March 22, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Teh-heh, by then he’ll ignore the Huckabee crowd and will lie to the etch-a-sketch one. He is a phony all the way, not much different than Obama, who’s the biggest charlatan of them all.

Axelrod will run Obama to the right of Romney, because he can.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 11:55 AM

We have a nominee already?

BS Jeb. Lots of us haven’t voted yet, and we aren’t voting for your favorite RINO.

james23 on March 22, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Gotta’ love it. Even birther nutballs bash birther nutballs. Keep it up while I go find some popcorn.

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Let me ask you something. Do you think that there are any prerequisites to being POTUS? If not, then fine. If so, what are they? And what is the “citizenship” requirement? The constitution doesn’t just say “citizen”, it says “natural born citizen.” What does it mean? Do you care? Even at the level of curiosity?

besser tot als rot on March 22, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Constitutional law. It’s not your thing, is it?
Irritable Pundit on March 22, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Reading carefully. It’s not your thing, is it?

Emperor Norton on March 22, 2012 at 11:57 AM

A Romney/Rubio ticket would beat Obama, the Democrats are scared to death of that combination. Not only would you shore up a vital swing state, you’ll likely pull in other swing states with higher Latino populations like Nevada.
BradTank on March 22, 2012 at 11:46 AM

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For what its worth…..Rubio of Cuban descent, albeit Hispanic, was a strong favorite in heavily Cuban hispanic So. Florida. I’m not sure how well he connects with the larger Mexican hispanic population you’ll find out west.

There is no love lost between Cubans and Mexicans. Odd as it may seem to us gringos, the Cubans look down on Mexicans and really don’t want to be lumped into their ethnic category. Same goes for the Puerto Rican people – it must be a Caribbean thing or somethin. Just sayin, but not sure how Senor Rubio works on the broader scale, but it is a strange dynamic down here in FL.

FlaMurph on March 22, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Constitutional law. It’s not your thing, is it?

Irritable Pundit on March 22, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Horace, an excellent legal mind, a smart HA commenter, who’s disgusted with the stupidity around here, explained it to perfection. It can be googled around here.

McCain was eligible and Rubio is not. Rubio is too smart to run now, but has lawyers on the case as we write, to sort it out for 2016. Rubio also feels that it w/b a big distraction, since the media would focus on him, while never having done so for Obama. Rubio does not want to divert attention from the topics of: economy, security, gasoline prices, foreign policy. He is saner than all the pundits, the media, the establishment and the commentary.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 11:58 AM

It’s really funny to see how uninformed and gullible a lot of the Romney adherents are.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Also, what experience exactly does he have to be president now? That’s the sole purpose of a VP, aside from talking stupid, like Biden, and going to funerals around the world.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Not sure how much I care about the “experience” level. I’d take Rand Paul in a heartbeat. I’d actually vote for Romney if Rand Paul was his running mate. At least I’d know that one of the candidates wants much, much smaller government (and is unlikely to bend to the will of Washington).

besser tot als rot on March 22, 2012 at 12:00 PM

He’d get hispanics to at least consider the GOP which should be the natural home of the Catholic socially conservative hispanic families.

mark81150 on March 22, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Since you clearly support identity politics can you tell what liberal politics you like because you are clearly not a conservative.

Leave the Hispanic pandering to the rats. They do it better

social-justice on March 22, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Let me ask you something. Do you think that there are any prerequisites to being POTUS?
besser tot als rot on March 22, 2012 at 11:57 AM

35 years old and US born (either by parents, or location, as already decided by courts). And that’s without even looking it up.

Your point?

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Romney/Rubio is the winning ticket. They will beat obambi/biteme handily.

VegasRick on March 22, 2012 at 12:01 PM

james23 on March 22, 2012 at 11:56 AM

You rube, you cousin-humping, gun-toting, bible-thumping, truck-driving, toothless hick, get in line, vote for Mitt and shut up.

Oh, and while out there, pick up an etch-a-sketch for your kids. Mitt will scroom you royally, now, during the general, and always after, while claiming to be “severely conservative”, more so than anyone else possible. Teh-heh, the fools abound. Party like it’s Rome. The coronations are no different.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Reading carefully. It’s not your thing, is it?

Emperor Norton on March 22, 2012 at 11:57 AM

You started off strong, but I suggest you quit while you’re behind.

Dante on March 22, 2012 at 12:02 PM

35 years old and US born (either by parents, or location, as already decided by courts). And that’s without even looking it up.

Your point?

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:01 PM

You are incorrect. There is no US born-requirement.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Dante on March 22, 2012 at 12:03 PM

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:01 PM

You are not correct, but look into it deeper. Rubio himself has found this out and has hired lawyers to sort it out, by 2016. It’s the status of his parents, at the time of his birth.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:04 PM

McCain was not born on US soil. His parents were US citizens at the time of his birth. Therefore, McCain passed only one of the two tests. That’s not good enough. McCain is not eligible.

Emperor Norton on March 22, 2012 at 11:49 AM

He was born on an American Military Base in Panama.

John McCain was born at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone 1936. John McCain is considered an American Citizen born abroad.

Apparently that is good enough, because he was able to get his name on all the state ballots in 2008.

Dr Evil on March 22, 2012 at 12:05 PM

You are incorrect. There is no US born-requirement.

Dante on March 22, 2012 at 12:03 PM

You are not correct,
Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Reality must suck for y’all. Birther nutballyness worked so well in 2008.

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:06 PM

35 years old and And that’s without even looking it up.

Your point?

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:01 PM

You forgot the last qualification for the President:

” . . and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

And that’s even without looking it up.

You said:

US born (either by parents, or location, as already decided by courts).

Oh, I see what you did there. The Constitution says “natural born citizen,” not “US born” as you substituted.

Damn, are you lazy and sloppy!

Emperor Norton on March 22, 2012 at 12:06 PM

besser tot als rot on March 22, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Well, anyone can agree, looking at the ‘experience’ Obama had. Look how wonderful the land is.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Rubio himself has found this out and has hired lawyers to sort it out, by 2016. It’s the status of his parents, at the time of his birth.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:04 PM

It would be fun to see the dims turning into the “birthers” movement.

VegasRick on March 22, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Reality must suck for y’all. Birther nutballyness worked so well in 2008.

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Well, you could read the Constitution, of course, but why do that when you can just go with personal attacks?

Dante on March 22, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Emperor Norton on March 22, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Romney folks are very similar to Obamabots…very amazing to observe them.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:08 PM

It would be fun to see the dims turning into the “birthers” movement.

VegasRick on March 22, 2012 at 12:07 PM

It w/b, but don’t expect them to have the same ‘standards’. They operate by thuggery and impertinence alone.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:08 PM

John McCain is considered an American Citizen born abroad.

As of 1937, the law says he is. But not as of 1936. Anyway, he’s a brave and trustworthy citizen, just not a natural born citizen.

Apparently that is good enough, because he was able to get his name on all the state ballots in 2008.

So did Obama. D’oh!

Emperor Norton on March 22, 2012 at 12:09 PM

And, VegasRick, they’d still call you/us “racists” if we’d even think about questioning Rubip/compared to the Obama status. He wants to avoid the circus.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Let me ask you something. Do you think that there are any prerequisites to being POTUS?

besser tot als rot on March 22, 2012 at 11:57 AM

35 years old and US born (either by parents, or location, as already decided by courts). And that’s without even looking it up.

Your point?

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Based on what? I know, I know. You didn’t look it up. So it’s based on what you “know”. I guess every society needs its good little sheep who don’t question anything. Not that I’m saying that you’re wrong. Or even that if you are wrong, that it’s not a dead letter. But spewing venom at people who genuinely question what the government tells them to believe and do? Not cool.

besser tot als rot on March 22, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Rubio graduated from the same High School I attended when I lived in Miami, albeit ten years after me. Waaaayyyyy middle class.

VegasRick on March 22, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Damn, are you lazy and sloppy!

Emperor Norton on March 22, 2012 at 12:06 PM

And laughing myself silly at the pretzel logic you birthers use.

Y’all don’t deserve any real research. You ignore it anyway.

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:10 PM

We fell for that garbage last time. That play was already run. No mas. Rubio isn’t running for POTUS. Mittbama is. Conservatives will stay home.

How come Jeb endorsed Orange Charlie instead of Rubio for Senator.
The Bush family has complete disdain for middle class America.

The headline should read: Jeb endorses Mittbama and performs his duty paving the way for him to be the “His Turn” candidate in 2016 once Mittbama loses to Obama. Wasn’t that the plan all along Jeb. Run that doofus Mittbama in 2012 so after 8 years of Obama America will be ready for another Bush in 2016. W.R.O.N.G.

Hey Jeb, how about that nice little afternoon you and your daddy shared at the White House with Obama last month. Progressives like you and Mittbama don’t get that we don’t want to make nice with Obama we want to wipe the floor with him.

Now be a nice boy and go play with your Etch-A-Sketch like a good progressive.

What a choice in 2012 TOTUS or Etch-A-Sketch! I’ll pass.

Jayrae on March 22, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Reality must suck for y’all. Birther nutballyness worked so well in 2008.

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Don’t go crazy. Not a birther here. I just said to VegasRick what Rubio is trying to avert, the double standard and making us into “racists” or something, based on topics that would divert from what really matters.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:11 PM

He wants to avoid the circus.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:09 PM

I don’t blame him but I think he will do it for his country.

VegasRick on March 22, 2012 at 12:12 PM

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Dante on March 22, 2012 at 12:03 PM

She us where in the Constitution “natural born citizen” is defined.

You can’t, because it’s not in there.

But using your “logic”, it doesn’t have to be in there.

Del Dolemonte on March 22, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Huntsman! He speaks Mandarin. Our next President will need a good translator to converse with our new landlords.

bitsy on March 22, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Romney folks are very similar to Obamabots…very amazing to observe them.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Some are. Some are just Obamabots. But, pretty much no Romney supporter that I’ve seen argues for him from the perspective of wanting limited government or thinking that government is the problem, not the solution to the problem.

besser tot als rot on March 22, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:11 PM

My apologies then, to you only.

You are usually more level headed, but you, and Honda, have been quite curmudgeonly lately. And when you referenced horace for support, I figured you finally went off the rails.

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:15 PM

She us where in the Constitution “natural born citizen” is defined.

You can’t, because it’s not in there.

But using your “logic”, it doesn’t have to be in there.

Del Dolemonte on March 22, 2012 at 12:12 PM

The Constitution is not a dictionary. The meanings of terms and phrases used are what the ratifiers – the people – believed them to be. That the requirement was changed from the proposed “citizen of the United States” to “natural born citizen” should give you pause.

Dante on March 22, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Actually, some of your fellow Romney supporters think running Huckabee as Romney’s VP, “although he is not adored by conservatives… would be a great pick for Romney” and “a genius idea.” Jaw-dropping.

de rigueur on March 22, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Agreed. Mittbots don’t have a lock on smart, any more than ABR’s have a lock on stupid. Plenty of both on both sides.

Mr. Arkadin on March 22, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Agreed. Mittbots don’t have a lock on smart, any more than ABR’s have a lock on stupid. Plenty of both on both sides.

Mr. Arkadin on March 22, 2012 at 12:19 PM

I think Romney supporters have a lock on wishcasting.

besser tot als rot on March 22, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Romney can ressurect the body of Ronald Reagan and make him his VP running-mate …

And there’s still no way in hell I’d vote for RomneyCare in November.

HondaV65 on March 22, 2012 at 12:21 PM

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:15 PM

No need to apologize.

Horace is a lawyer, a very good one. He is also a very smart man. Don’t underestimate his work and knowledge, just because he has a unique style. He documented this very cogently here, several times.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:21 PM

[show] us where in the Constitution “natural born citizen” is defined. You can’t, because it’s not in there.

Show us where in the Constitution “freedom of speech” is defined.

Emperor Norton on March 22, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:21 PM

He’s also a hatin’ nutball that twisted facts to promote his candidate. When a person will do that for one thing, he can do it for others.

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Romney can ressurect the body of Ronald Reagan and make him his VP running-mate …

And there’s still no way in hell I’d vote for RomneyCare in November.

HondaV65 on March 22, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Then stay home or vote for obambi.

VegasRick on March 22, 2012 at 12:25 PM

But, pretty much no Romney supporter that I’ve seen argues for him from the perspective of wanting limited government or thinking that government is the problem, not the solution to the problem.

besser tot als rot on March 22, 2012 at 12:14 PM

True; also, none have told what the 4-5 core beliefs of Mitt are, why one should vote for him. He and his PACs have spent multi-millions, destroying the others, and claiming that Mitt is “more conservative than anyone in ther race”, without telling why he is, and why anyone should vote for him.

Reagan didn’t run against Carter, he ran for the country, and the people, of all stripes, followed, to the tune of 44, then 49 states.

Yesterday’s etch-a-sketch was a classic, at the ‘perfect’ time.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Then stay home or vote for obambi.

VegasRick on March 22, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Staying home equals half a vote for Obama. So, staying home does equal a vote for Obama.

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:26 PM

He’s also a hatin’ nutball that twisted facts to promote his candidate. When a person will do that for one thing, he can do it for others.

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:24 PM

The explanation on this topic had nothing to do with any candidates. He ran them all through, very logically, constitutionally, incl. Jindal, McCain, Obama, Rubio.

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Romney folks, just saying that Mitt is not Obama is very lame. Obama is a disaster.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:27 PM

To qualify as a “natural born citizen,” as understood by the Founders, you must pass both of these tests:

1. Were you born on US soil?
2. Were your parents US citizens when you were born?

The phrase “natural born citizen” appears in the US Constitution. The phrase “native born” means only the “born on US soil” part of the two-part test, above.

McCain was not born on US soil. His parents were US citizens at the time of his birth. Therefore, McCain passed only one of the two tests. That’s not good enough. McCain is not eligible.

Emperor Norton on March 22, 2012 at 11:49 AM

You are wrong on this — it is not both, it is OR and that is explicitly defined by Title 8, section 1401 of the US Code. The only time the question of the citizenship of a person’s parents comes into play is if the person is not born on US soil. Let me repeat that: The only time the question of the citizenship of a person’s parents comes into play is if the person is not born on US soil.

That means, for example, if you are born on US soil, you are a natural born citizen regardless of the citizenship of your parents. Thus, Rubio is a natural born citizen.
If you were not born on US soil but one or both of parents are US citizens (and have lived in the US) you are a natural born citizen. Thus, McCain is a citizen.

This is very easy to look up in today’s day & age and section 1401 of Title 8 is written in plain, easy to understand English. I don’t care about people posting opinions, but for posters like Emperor Norton to post this misstatement of FACT & spread ignorance on a very easily verifiable topic should not be allowed, IMO.

Dark Star on March 22, 2012 at 12:30 PM

How come Jeb endorsed Orange Charlie instead of Rubio for Senator.
The Bush family has complete disdain for middle class America.

Jayrae on March 22, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Thank you for posting this.

The Bushs can all go to Hell. No more Bushs, Clintons, Obamas and Kennedys.

I’m sick of all of them, weasels one and all.

Rubio should show Jeb a big finger.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:30 PM

*should have written: Thus, McCain is a natural born citizen.

Dark Star on March 22, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Oh, yes. By all means pick Rubio. Only he can deliver the crucial 8% “Latino” vote that Romney so desperately needs to win. B/c any day now, the Steezers are going to wake up, realize that they can indeed be an upwardly-mobile people and vote Republican instead of for the gringos who promise them free stuff. This makes ever so much sense than say, focusing on the 72% of the electorate made up of Whites and catering to their interests (which do not, BTW, include more immigration, illegal or otherwise, or more free stuff for minorities).

Gosh, if I were a cynical man I might suspect that no one can possibly be this effing stupid and that the Republican elites actually are working towards goals that really aren’t good for either their country or their constituents, entirely for the benefit of a select few.

exlibris on March 22, 2012 at 12:33 PM

FlaMurph on March 22, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Murph, It’s not just his ethnicity that is a factor, he is a shining, walking, talking, successful example of what LEGAL immigration can offer.

leftophobe on March 22, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Romney folks, just saying that Mitt is not Obama is very lame. Obama is a disaster.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Well, I don’t support Romney and will probably go for Santorum when the primary gets here just because of some of Romney’s supporters.

But, come November, I would support a ham sandwich over Obama and happily vote for Romney because Romney would be infinitely better than Obama. Romney would also sign bills passed by a republican legislature instead of vetoing them until changes were made that he, and the dems, could claim credit for.

There is also that little thing about SCOTUS nominations and federal regulations.

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Emperor Norton on March 22, 2012 at 11:49 AM

You are wrong on McCain. That part was U.S. territory at the time and both his parents were qualified…McCain was not eligible for one thing, incontinence, of the brain and the pants, all his heroics from his earlier life having been acknowledged already.

It’s funny, back then the Mitt adherents acted the same as the ABR folks do now, but then it was their boy.

Observing is lots of fun this year, were it not so tragic for the land.

All 5 contenders are a disaster.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Bush made that more explicit in an interview with Pittsburgh Tribune-Review’s Salena Zito — and Bush had an idea how to make the ticket even stronger:

Haven’t people had enough of The Bush Clan for a little while?

kim roy on March 22, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Dark Star on March 22, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Heretic

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:35 PM

The difference between Obama and Rubio at this point in their Senate careers isn’t even close. Rubio has been busy co-sponsoring significant legislation. Obama was busy writing his memoirs and going on speaking tours. A HUGE DIFFERENCE!! Rubio should be VP!!

philrat on March 22, 2012 at 12:35 PM

I think Romney supporters have a lock on wishcasting.

besser tot als rot on March 22, 2012 at 12:20 PM

That’s right, because Santorum, Gingrich, Perry, and Palin supporters are firmly grounded in reality.

Mr. Arkadin on March 22, 2012 at 12:36 PM

social-justice on March 22, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Spot on.

exlibris on March 22, 2012 at 12:37 PM

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:34 PM

We don’t disagree, with some differences. I will not give a dime, not volunteer, and will have to be dragged to the polls, and someone will have to make my hand vote.

I’m really, really, really disgusted by the Romney tactics of this cycle. I was not against him in the last round, but I learned a lot about him this time, and I despise him vehemently.

Problem is there is NO leader out there.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Mr. Arkadin on March 22, 2012 at 12:36 PM

More than you are. Your perfumed prince is a phony, the likes of Obama, by a lesser degree.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:38 PM

I think Romney supporters have a lock on wishcasting.
besser tot als rot on March 22, 2012 at 12:20 PM

I think Romney supporter have a lock on the primary election as evidenced by these numbers: 563, 263, 135, 50.

leftophobe on March 22, 2012 at 12:40 PM

You are wrong on this — it is not both, it is OR and that is explicitly defined by Title 8, section 1401 of the US Code.

The Constitution is higher law than the US Code, and older, too.
When the Constitution was written, there was no 8 USC 1401.

This is very easy to look up in today’s day & age and section 1401 of Title 8 is written in plain, easy to understand English.

I’m glad you found it easy reading.

You point is lame. Yes, there are parentage qualifications in 8 USC 1401 regarding people not born on US soil–but that’s only to determine if they’re a citizen, not a natural born citizen.

but for posters like Emperor Norton to post this misstatement of FACT & spread ignorance on a very easily verifiable topic should not be allowed, IMO.

Trying to get the authorities to shut people up you don’t agree with? Heh. You must be a liberal Democrat.

Emperor Norton on March 22, 2012 at 12:41 PM

I’m really, really, really disgusted by the Romney tactics of this cycle. I was not against him in the last round… I despise him vehemently.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Agreed. I don’t like Romney and wouldn’t want to spend time around him.

Choices are:
-Romney (though there is still a slim chance of a not Romney)
-Obama, third party, write in
-Stay home

Two of the three gives us four more years of Obama. My family cannot survive four more years of Obama. I remember the day after the presidential election of 1980. It was like a great weight was lifted from the nations solders. Romney is no where near what Reagan was in 1980, but Obama is so much worse than Carter was.

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Oh, yes. By all means pick Rubio. Only he can deliver the crucial 8% “Latino” vote that Romney so desperately needs to win. B/c any day now, the Steezers are going to wake up, realize that they can indeed be an upwardly-mobile people and vote Republican instead of for the gringos who promise them free stuff. This makes ever so much sense than say, focusing on the 72% of the electorate made up of Whites and catering to their interests (which do not, BTW, include more immigration, illegal or otherwise, or more free stuff for minorities).

Gosh, if I were a cynical man I might suspect that no one can possibly be this effing stupid and that the Republican elites actually are working towards goals that really aren’t good for either their country or their constituents, entirely for the benefit of a select few.

exlibris on March 22, 2012 at 12:33 PM

We do not need identity politics in our party.

Rubio deserves to be VP because he is Hispanic?

social-justice on March 22, 2012 at 12:44 PM

I have a proposal regarding all the “natural born” comments which are likely to continue with Jindal and Rubio on the shortlist. There isn’t much else to add on the topic that hasn’t been said before.

Someone should do a post with that argument, and any relevant aspects to it, such as findings by judges on the issue. And as a rule, that would be the only place for people who don’t think that Jindal or Rubio are natural-born citizens to argue on that topic. Otherwise, there will be continued derailments for most upcoming shortlist discussions, with arguments that make conservatives look bad and that have already been made.

Mister Mets on March 22, 2012 at 12:45 PM

We don’t disagree, with some differences. I will not give a dime, not volunteer, and will have to be dragged to the polls, and someone will have to make my hand vote.

I’m really, really, really disgusted by the Romney tactics of this cycle. I was not against him in the last round, but I learned a lot about him this time, and I despise him vehemently.

Problem is there is NO leader out there.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:37 PM

If I may agree with you. I’m actually for Santorum and having a great time on here fighting and campaigning for him right now because if it’s Rmoney as the nominee, I may, and I say MAY vote for him but there won’t be any passion, enthusiasm, or conviction for that matter for such an awful candidate. Or I may just stay home and let the best man win because that’s what the RNC worked so hard to give us and they have only themselves and not the electorate to blame if we’re less than underwhelmed and it’s a disaster.

mozalf on March 22, 2012 at 12:46 PM

He is not only a consistent conservative, but he has managed to find a way to communicate a conservative message full of hope and optimism,” Bush said.

I don’t have the violent reactions to any Bush that some do, but “he has managed to find a way to communicate a conservative message full of hope and optimism?!?” Are we supposed to take from this that conservatism is naturally pessimistic and hopeless?

This is a bad echo of W’s “compassionate conservative” nonsense, as if there’s a conflict between being compassionate and being conservative that only the few are able to rise above.

tom on March 22, 2012 at 12:47 PM

That means, for example, if you are born on US soil, you are a natural born citizen regardless of the citizenship of your parents. Thus, Rubio is a natural born citizen.
If you were not born on US soil but one or both of parents are US citizens (and have lived in the US) you are a natural born citizen. Thus, McCain is a citizen.

This is very easy to look up in today’s day & age and section 1401 of Title 8 is written in plain, easy to understand English. I don’t care about people posting opinions, but for posters like Emperor Norton to post this misstatement of FACT & spread ignorance on a very easily verifiable topic should not be allowed, IMO.

Dark Star on March 22, 2012 at 12:30 PM

This is incorrect. To be a natural born citizen, one’s parents must be citizens. Rubio is not a natural born citizen since his parents were not naturalized at the time of his birth. The US Code does not trump the Constitution.

Dante on March 22, 2012 at 12:48 PM

The difference between Obama and Rubio at this point in their Senate careers isn’t even close. Rubio has been busy co-sponsoring significant legislation. Obama was busy writing his memoirs and going on speaking tours. A HUGE DIFFERENCE!! Rubio should be VP!!

philrat on March 22, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Yes, such as creating anti-free speech zones and supporting SOPA/PIPA.

Dante on March 22, 2012 at 12:49 PM

This is incorrect. To be a natural born citizen, one’s parents must be citizens. Rubio is not a natural born citizen since his parents were not naturalized at the time of his birth. The US Code does not trump the Constitution.

Dante on March 22, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Sing it sister! That’s what the constitution says means!

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:50 PM

I am not always kind to “Amazing Marco,” but these are some powerful and very American words he is bringing forth. Gives one hope that the horror of murdering babies for “mere convenience” will end some day.

Good for Rubio! “Carumba!” as his cousin, Mr. Ricardo, used to say.

Man, I wish he would run.
ConservativePartyNow

For what? Senate again? Not qualified to be President under Article II of the U.S. Constitution.
1. Born in Miami, Florida in 1971 to parents who were Cuban citizens residing in the U.S.
2. Rubio’s Cuban-citizen parents became naturalized U.S. citizens in 1975.
3. As both of his parents were non-citizens when he was born in the U.S., Rubio is a native-born American citizen.
4. Americans are “natural born” citizens when they are born on U.S. soil to parents who are both U.S. citizens at the time of their birth.
5. Article II of the Constitution states that only “natural born” American citizens are qualified to be President.
6. Thus, Rubio, a native born American citizen, is not Constitutionally qualified to be President.

But, remarks like these re murdering innocent children could make Rubio a very great U.S. Senator – no natural born requirement to hold that office.

Horace on February 2, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:50 PM

BTW, it’s too soon to start fantasizing about a VP candidate when Romney has yet to win half the delegates needed to secure the nomination.

tom on March 22, 2012 at 12:50 PM

4. Americans are “natural born” citizens when they are born on U.S. soil to parents who are both U.S. citizens at the time of their birth.
5. Article II of the Constitution states that only “natural born” American citizens are qualified to be President.
6. Thus, Rubio, a native born American citizen, is not Constitutionally qualified to be President.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2012 at 12:50 PM

You and Horace can march right up to the White House and drag Obama from office for not being a natural born citizen.

Let me know when you do so I can pull up a lawn chair.

cozmo on March 22, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Oops…..looks like this has become a birther thread. sheesh…..

tommy71 on March 22, 2012 at 12:58 PM

The Constitution is higher law than the US Code, and older, too.
When the Constitution was written, there was no 8 USC 1401. . .

You point is lame. Yes, there are parentage qualifications in 8 USC 1401 regarding people not born on US soil–but that’s only to determine if they’re a citizen, not a natural born citizen. . .

. . .
Trying to get the authorities to shut people up you don’t agree with? Heh. You must be a liberal Democrat.
Emperor Norton on March 22, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Stopping the spread of factual ignorance & misinformation is not “trying to shut people up” but you don’t seem to recognize the difference.

The US Constitution does not define the meaning of “natural born citizen” but the authority to define it is 100% given to Congress, so your lame point is wrong, again. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment and the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship. In fact, the fact that you don’t realize that Congress has the authority to define citizenship is another reason you really should keep your misinformed 2 cents out of it.

And regardless of how much you want to say it, Sec. 1401 of Title 8 specifically defines natural born citizens, i.e., people who are “citizens of the United States at birth.” So again, you are ignorant of the facts.

Now, you can keep on trying to insult me & you can try to spin your b.s. that “a citizen of the United States at birth” is not “natural born citizen” or whatever else your feeble mind desires, but I stated the proper definition of natural born citizen as defined by Congress under the authority of the US Constitution, and I’m not spending my day arguing with a fool.

Dark Star on March 22, 2012 at 12:58 PM

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