NFL suspends Saints coaches, fines team $500K for “bounties”

posted at 2:30 pm on March 21, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Two big NFL stories hit at almost the same time today, and while one will undoubtedly be more popular, the other will have more real-world impact.  After the exposure of a “bounty” system in New Orleans in which players got rewarded for big hits that put opponents on the sidelines, everyone expected that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell would have to take some action.  Today, he lowered the boom on the Saints, suspending head coach Sean Payton for the entire 2012 season and putting another coach on “indefinite suspension,” and tagged on a half-million-dollar fine as well (via Warren Sapp on Twitter):

Saints coach Sean Payton has been suspended for one year, former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was suspended indefinitely, general manager Mickey Loomis was suspended for eight regular-season games, the team was fined $500,000 and lost two second-round draft picks (one in 2012 and ’13) as a result of a bounty program conducted by the team during the 2009-11 seasons. …

Williams, now defensive coordinator of the Rams, has admitted to and apologized for running the program.

Payton and Loomis apologized and took the blame for violations that “happened under our watch,” but not until almost a week after the NFL pointed to them for failing to stop the program.

Rumors of bounty payments have floated for many years in the league, but this is the first time that the NFL has done anything significant about it.  Given the harsh penalties meted out to players for these hits, Goodell had little choice but to get tough with the Saints.  The league already faces legal action over the long-term effects of the game on players, and having its management participate in these bounties would have complicated their legal defense in the future unless the league imposed significant punishment.

The game is naturally tough enough on the health and longevity of players.  The 24-hour sports channels reward spectacular hits with plenty of airplay as it is.  The NFL did the right thing in cracking down on New Orleans, and it should follow suit on other teams who used the same kind of incentive systems aimed at knocking players out of games.

The other blockbuster story comes from New York, where Tim Tebow will land this season on the Jets’ runway:

Unusually quiet in recent weeks, the New York Jets shattered the calm Wednesday by completing a trade for polarizing quarterback Tim Tebow, the team confirmed.

The Jets will send a fourth-round pick to the Denver Broncos, a source said. …

Several teams expressed interest, including Tebow’s hometown Jacksonville Jaguars, but the Jets — perceived as a sleeper at the outset — pulled off the splashiest trade of the offseason.

This is a pretty strange trade.  Tebow might not have had all the skills in place, but he took the Broncos from 1-4 to the second round of the playoffs, and played very well against a tough but injured Pittsburgh Steelers defense.  If all Denver could get for him was a 4th-round pick, why bother at all?  Tebow could have played behind Peyton Manning and learned at the feet of the master for a couple more years, until Peyton was ready to hang up the cleats.  Denver would have had a seasoned vet on the bench who has already succeeded with the team in case Peyton goes down, and a stronger QB for the future.  Now they have to start all over again.  Meanwhile, Tebow will sit in New York behind Mark Sanchez, and probably end up creating a QB controversy there.

On the other hand, Denver VP John Elway paid Tebow a pretty nice compliment … on the way out the door, of course:

Tim Tebow’s a great kid. If I want someone to marry my daughter, it’s him,” Elway said. “Tim is a great football player, but with the opportunity that presented itself here, we had to take advantage of that.”

That really is a very nice thing for a father to say about a young man.  However, it’s somewhat diluted by Elway’s description of him as a “great football player,” considering he had just traded Tebow for a 4th-round pick.


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The NFL – The New Femininity League.

jake-the-goose on March 21, 2012 at 2:33 PM

This punishment is over the top and excessive. And I doubt the NFL would do this if the offending franchise was from Pittsburgh or New York.

WannabeAnglican on March 21, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Santorum-Tebow 2016

Rusty Allen on March 21, 2012 at 2:34 PM

As a life long Saints fan, I am stunned. Sean out for a season is way out of line. Roger Goodell’s sole purpose in life is to destroy NFL football.

rubberneck on March 21, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Didn’t Boooosh do enough to persecute New Orleans when he blew up the levies?

NOW THIS!!!!

catmman on March 21, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Meanwhile, Tebow will sit in New York behind Mark Sanchez, and probably end up creating a QB controversy there.

Probably? This is New York we’re talkin’ about.

Bitter Clinger on March 21, 2012 at 2:35 PM

It must be Vishnu’s will that he’s on the Jets now.

Good Lt on March 21, 2012 at 2:35 PM

That really is a very nice thing for a father to say about a young man. However, it’s somewhat diluted by Elway’s description of him as a “great football player,” considering he had just traded Tebow for a 4th-round pick.

Tebow is a great football player. Problem is, he isn’t a great quarterback.

billy on March 21, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Elway is loathsome. He traded Tebow to New York in an effort to demoralize and destroy the kid. Live here and you’ll understand. Bad karma coming to Elway and co.

Western_Civ on March 21, 2012 at 2:36 PM

the New York Jets shattered the calm Wednesday by completing a trade for polarizing quarterback Tim Tebow, the team confirmed.

Tina Korbe…reference yesterday’s thread on Cameron’s “controversial” position. Watch the use of the buzzwords by leftists and don’t repeat. That is, unless the use of “polarizing” in this context means that Tebow took the broncs from being losers to winners, however, I don’t think that’s what homeslice meant.

ted c on March 21, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Tebow is a great football player. Problem is, he isn’t a great quarterback.
billy on March 21, 2012 at 2:35 PM
True, great person too. But that doesn’t win big games.

Rusty Allen on March 21, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Why doesn’t Roger Goodell just make it a flag football league? Don’t have to worry about anybody getting hurt then.
/

Bitter Clinger on March 21, 2012 at 2:38 PM

That really is a very nice thing for a father to say about a young man. However, it’s somewhat diluted by Elway’s description of him as a “great football player,” considering he had just traded Tebow for a 4th-round pick.

“Damning with faint praise” is what you were looking for here.

lorien1973 on March 21, 2012 at 2:38 PM

“Tim Tebow’s a great kid. If I want someone to marry my daughter, it’s him,” Elway said. “Tim is a great football player, but with the opportunity that presented itself here, we had to take advantage of that.”

Don’t worry, John. If your daughter is anything like her father, I’m not interested.
–Tim Tebow

(I have a friend who used to go to church w/ Elway, said he can be a pompous jerk).

ted c on March 21, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Elway is lower than a snake’s belly. He probably sent Tim to NY just because he knew Tim was interested in going to Jax should he be traded. I’ll be Tim’s fan no matter where he plays.

sandspur on March 21, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Elway is loathsome. He traded Tebow to New York in an effort to demoralize and destroy the kid. Live here and you’ll understand. Bad karma coming to Elway and co.

Western_Civ on March 21, 2012 at 2:36 PM

I certainly hope so. I could live in a universe where a Manning never wins another Super Bowl.

Bitter Clinger on March 21, 2012 at 2:39 PM

“Damning with faint praise” is what you were looking for here.

lorien1973 on March 21, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Especially if Elway’s daughter looks anything like Elway.

Stop talking to yourself.

lorien1973 on March 21, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Payton and Loomis apologized and took the blame for violations that “happened under our watch,” but not until almost a week after the NFL pointed to them for failing to stop the program.

I haven’t kept up on this, because I don’t give a damn about pro sports. But, did the NFL bother to take the time to find out whether or not Payton KNEW about the bounty program?

Far too often – you’re presumed guilty, until you prove otherwise.

Since the NFL has chosen to act, the burden should be on the NFL to support its actions – with facts justifying same.

I know, I know – this isn’t a criminal matter and, therefore, the alleged presumption of innocence doesn’t apply.

But, I see this [you're presumed guilty - you have to prove your innocence] kind of mindset trickling into the courtrooms – all of the time.

And I’m getting tired of people being whitewashed with the stain of guilt, with an all too presumptively broad brush.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 21, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Am awaiting Allahpundit’s take on the Tebow trade.

Look at it this way Saints fans, at least you’ll be getting a high #1 draft pick next year after a sucky season.

rbj on March 21, 2012 at 2:40 PM

This punishment is over the top and excessive. And I doubt the NFL would do this if the offending franchise was from Pittsburgh or New York.

WannabeAnglican on March 21, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Now you know how the Patriot fans felt with spygate.

D-fusit on March 21, 2012 at 2:41 PM

rubberneck on March 21, 2012 at 2:34 PM

You Aints fans might want to get a fresh supply of paper bags for this season. Trader Joe’s aren’t too bad.

CTSherman on March 21, 2012 at 2:43 PM

For the next 100 years a really stupid mistake in football will be called an “Elway”.

Redglen on March 21, 2012 at 2:43 PM

“Tim Tebow’s a great kid. If I want someone to marry my daughter, it’s him,”

That’s the football equivalent of saying a blind date has “a great personality”…

rcpjr on March 21, 2012 at 2:43 PM

I haven’t kept up on this, because I don’t give a damn about pro sports. But, did the NFL bother to take the time to find out whether or not Payton KNEW about the bounty program?

Saints fan here.

From what I understand, coach Payton and GM Mickey Loomis suspected something was going on but had no proof. The NFL interrogated them about that and they apparently didn’t tell them that.

LB coach / Assistant coach Joe Vitt was one of the staff members supposedly suspended as part of this and the only report on why is that Payton apparently told him “I don’t trust Williams. Keep an eye on him.”

That doesn’t mean they actually found anything, it just means they had suspicions he was doing something he shouldn’t.

teke184 on March 21, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Am awaiting Allahpundit’s take on the Tebow trade.

Look at it this way Saints fans, at least you’ll be getting a high #1 draft pick next year after a sucky season.

rbj on March 21, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Actually, since it’s the coach who’s getting suspended, not any players, this will be an interesting test case season to see just how important the head coach really is.

Bitter Clinger on March 21, 2012 at 2:44 PM

tough but injured Pittsburgh Steelers defense

Get over it Ed. Stop making excuses. The Stillers lost because they overestimated their competition, themselves, and game-planned poorly on D. Lebeau cost them the game.

BKeyser on March 21, 2012 at 2:44 PM

So all the liberal women in New York City are angry that Tebow is going to play in their town. Their anger, however, is matched by their desire that perhaps they might see him at the local beach with his shirt off.

radjah shelduck on March 21, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Inre the trade, Rex Ryan was quoted as saying:

Well **** my ******** and **** that ***** down that **** ***** ******* Tebow ****** ***** ****er.

JohnTant on March 21, 2012 at 2:45 PM

NFL suspends Saints coaches, fines team $500K for “bounties”

Good.

Putting a bounty on a gimpy-kneed Old Man (Farve)was low even by New Orleans standards.

This kinda crap makes me glad that every time I flush it eventuality ends up in The Big Easy.

Oh, and Ziggy, Tebow wudda gotten ya that new stadium…

Bruno Strozek on March 21, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Denver better pray that Manning doesn’t get hurt or they REALLY screwed themselves.

Big-Dave on March 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Tebow is the perfect men leader of men. The men being lead then have to do what they thought was not possible for them to do.

That creates either more stress or a “what the hell, let’s roll” attitude.

NYC already stresses out its players on every team. So what the hell, let Tebow and his merry men roll!

.

jimw on March 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Putting a bounty on a gimpy-kneed Old Man (Farve)was low even by New Orleans standards.

I think that the fan-bases of about 25+ other teams would have put money into the bounty pool on Favre after having to deal with his annual “Will I Or Won’t I” BS.

teke184 on March 21, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Get over it Ed. Stop making excuses. The Stillers lost because they overestimated their competition, themselves, and game-planned poorly on D. Lebeau cost them the game.

BKeyser on March 21, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Wouldn’t that be they underestimated their competition?

Bitter Clinger on March 21, 2012 at 2:47 PM

general manager Mickey Loomis was suspended for eight regular-season games

??? What difference does that make?

jwolf on March 21, 2012 at 2:47 PM

The punishment is justified and people should probably be banned for promoting deliberately injuring other players. The game is risky enough without that. Elway is a total douche for sending Tebow to the Jets. He was a great fit for Jax and I am sure they would have matched a 4th rounder. Elway is trying to set him up to fail so he doesnt get burned when Peyton doesn’t work out.

Southernblogger on March 21, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Actually, since it’s the coach who’s getting suspended, not any players, this will be an interesting test case season to see just how important the head coach really is.

Bitter Clinger on March 21, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Yeah, but I do think they matter to an extent, maybe 1-2 wins a season. And the distraction over this might cost another win.

Anyway, the most important sports story this week is that Any Pettitte is back.

rbj on March 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Denver better pray that Manning doesn’t get hurt or they REALLY screwed themselves.

Big-Dave on March 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM

But they just traded their connection to the Almighty.

Bitter Clinger on March 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Tebow has proved himself over and over in Fla and in Denver. He is a great quarterback. Just because because people that don’t like him or what he has come to represent put him down doesn’t change what he has achieved INCLUDING a better first starting season stats than Elway did. Elway just wanted Manning because he identified with the has-been. He would have paid 200 million for Favre!

Redglen on March 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Drew Brees, not happy.

BKeyser on March 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM

For the next 100 years a really stupid mistake in football will be called an “Elway”.

Redglen on March 21, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Threadwinner

I am in Colorado, and don’t know a single Broncos fan who is happy with this trade.

Just beyond idiocy from Elway & Co.

Norwegian on March 21, 2012 at 2:50 PM

general manager Mickey Loomis was suspended for eight regular-season games

??? What difference does that make?

It’s a huge fine more than anything else.

If the GM is paid on the same schedule as NFL players, then it means he loses half of his salary for this season.

teke184 on March 21, 2012 at 2:50 PM

teke184 on March 21, 2012 at 2:47 PM

That was epic, I agree wholeheartedly, the last straw for me was when he pulled that crap after the draft screwing GB over in the process.

D-fusit on March 21, 2012 at 2:50 PM

I think that the fan-bases of about 25+ other teams would have put money into the bounty pool on Favre after having to deal with his annual “Will I Or Won’t I” BS.

teke184 on March 21, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Hear, hear!!! I am dreading the day Favre gets inducted to the HOF. ESPN will be running Favre highlights 24/7 for a month.

Bitter Clinger on March 21, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Banned from professional sports for life would have been more appropriate.

Sportsmanship -RIP.

Wander on March 21, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Didn’t Boooosh do enough to persecute New Orleans when he blew up the levies?

NOW THIS!!!!

catmman on March 21, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Don’t forget that Boooooooooosh policies caused the hurricanes too! Give credit where credit is due! (:>)

KOOLAID2 on March 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Anyway, the most important sports story this week is that Any Pettitte is back.

rbj on March 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Sorry, Yankess suck.

Actually, I’m not sorry.

Bitter Clinger on March 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM

elway was tired of being overshadowed. if manning returns to form and wins elway will try to claim credit for signing. but signing peyton manning is a no-brainer. there are about 5 teams that are in a position to say no to manning, for all the others he’s a serious upgrade.

chasdal on March 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM

The NFL punishment is nothing. Now comes the lawsuits by players targeted for injury. There should be criminal charges as well. If somebody pays somebody else to hurt you, it’s a crime.

Redglen on March 21, 2012 at 2:53 PM

This punishment is over the top and excessive. And I doubt the NFL would do this if the offending franchise was from Pittsburgh or New York.

WannabeAnglican on March 21, 2012 at 2:34 PM

From what Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter report on ESPN, a big part of the huge punishment for the coaches was “dishonesty” towards the Commissioner and league investigators.

JDF123 on March 21, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Elway is loathsome. He traded Tebow to New York in an effort to demoralize and destroy the kid. Live here and you’ll understand. Bad karma coming to Elway and co.

Western_Civ on March 21, 2012 at 2:36 PM

I certainly hope so. I could live in a universe where a Manning never wins another Super Bowl.

Bitter Clinger on March 21, 2012 at 2:39 PM

I don’t wish Petyon Manning any harm. He showed himself to be a gentlemen and his praise for Tebow was heartfelt, unlike the slithering Elway. I do think Manning showed bad judgement in electing to ignore his own broken neck and secondly in dealing with Elway, an egomaniacal viper. But he’s a decent man and I wish him well. Elway is another matter.

Western_Civ on March 21, 2012 at 2:55 PM

If all Denver could get for him was a 4th-round pick, why bother at all?

Elway didn’t want to see more Tebow fan billboards, or Tebow fan chants every time Peyton overthrew a receiver.

itsnotaboutme on March 21, 2012 at 2:56 PM

The NFL – The New Femininity League.

jake-the-goose on March 21, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Gives a whole new meaning to “Football pads”

portlandon on March 21, 2012 at 2:56 PM

I don’t wish Petyon Manning any harm. He showed himself to be a gentlemen and his praise for Tebow was heartfelt, unlike the slithering Elway. I do think Manning showed bad judgement in electing to ignore his own broken neck and secondly in dealing with Elway, an egomaniacal viper. But he’s a decent man and I wish him well. Elway is another matter.

Western_Civ on March 21, 2012 at 2:55 PM

I’m not wishing Peyton to get hurt or injure his neck further. I just hope the Broncos don’t win the Super Bowl with him. I’m not a Peyton Manning fan (nor an Eli one either).

Bitter Clinger on March 21, 2012 at 2:59 PM

This was one of the hits in question, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23l5oR9UO8k

visions on March 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

John Elway to Bronco fans “You’re not the boss of me!!!”

Cindy Munford on March 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Elway never really connected with Tebow, he found an excuse to rid himself of him and Elway took it. It’s a shame, because Tebow and Manning would have made for some brilliant football for years to come.

Book on March 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Actually, I’m not sorry.

Bitter Clinger on March 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Actually, they’re a very good team. It’s clubs like the Pirates and Royals that suck.

rbj on March 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

elway was tired of being overshadowed. if manning returns to form and wins elway will try to claim credit for signing. but signing peyton manning is a no-brainer. there are about 5 teams that are in a position to say no to manning, for all the others he’s a serious upgrade.

chasdal on March 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Signing him was a no brainer, but signing him all that guaranteed money was brainless.

Nathan_OH on March 21, 2012 at 3:01 PM

I hope this is good for young Mr. Tebow but I sure wish I could have bought a ticket of two here in Jacksonville to see him.

Cindy Munford on March 21, 2012 at 3:01 PM

The Broncos suck. I hope they never win another game until Elway gets fired.

Ed Snyder on March 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Goodell inherited this mess from Bush.

Akzed on March 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM

The NFL hasn’t released any information supporting the accusations that Saints players were paid to injure other players. Also, several former players have stated that paying for big defensive plays has gone on for years in the NFL. Let’s not forget other players recently stated that the same pay for big plays programs went on at Washington under Gibbs and recently at Jacksonville. Awaiting the results of those NFL investigations and subsequent punishments. Also, if the NFL knew about the Saints as early as 2009, why did they let it continue and wait so long to take action?

Aplombed on March 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM

This punishment is over the top and excessive. And I doubt the NFL would do this if the offending franchise was from Pittsburgh or New York.

WannabeAnglican on March 21, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Don’t forget the Oakland Raiders back in the day. One of the dirtiest teams ever, and one of their players even paralyzed an opponent-and then never apologized to him.

As for this case with the Saints, as a longtime Saints fan the only excessive punishment I see here is to Payton being suspended an entire season. He should be suspended, but not for that long. My guess is that Gregg Williams, the real perp, will eventually be banned for life.

Other than that, the other punishments are in line with past NFL precedent.

Del Dolemonte on March 21, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Gives a whole new meaning to “Football pads”

portlandon on March 21, 2012 at 2:56 PM

LOL…

d1carter on March 21, 2012 at 3:05 PM

This was one of the hits in question, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23l5oR9UO8k

visions on March 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

That one’s a legal hit.

Warner threw an INT then went after the Saint who picked him off.

The defensive player hit Warner across the front of the chest as he was going toward the ball carrier, meaning it was a legal hit and not a blindside hit.

teke184 on March 21, 2012 at 3:07 PM

After the exposure of a “bounty” system in New Orleans in which players got rewarded for big hits that put opponents on the sidelines,
============

It smells of Union Goonion’s!!
(sarc).

canopfor on March 21, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Peanuts !! This fine is peanuts when you consider what teams pay their top players. How a about fining them the annual salary of each of the players that received money from the “hitting bonus pool” over the last 3 seasons. $50 mill maybe? and $20x the draw any player won (ie if a player won $1000, he has a $20000 fine)from the pool. This still doesn’t begin to cover the medical costs from players injured for life from this sort of play.

$500K sounds like a lot, but it is probably less than the annual salary of the lowest first string player on the team.

KenInIL on March 21, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Also, several former players have stated that paying for big defensive plays has gone on for years in the NFL.

Hell, Buddy Ryan and the Eagles got in trouble for this in the late 80s when playing the Dallas Cowboys, as a former Eagles kicker and Cowboys QB Troy Aikman were both targeted by Eagles players with money being offered for taking either out.

teke184 on March 21, 2012 at 3:09 PM

As a long time Jets fan I think this is great! Paul Hornung in the 60′s was similar to Tebow. He was out of ND, strong arm but inaccurate. He was drafted by GB with Bart Star as Qback and used Hornung in as a half back. He was a strong runner and together with his arm became a great player. I believe went on to some championships.

The Jets with their offense could allow Tebow to really hone his skills. This is a great move and will make for an exciting season!

FLconservative on March 21, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Excessive, arbitrary, and capricious. This isn’t over and I suspect that Payton is lawyering up right now. My speculative prediction is that Payton’s ssension stands but NFL relents on pay.

Robert_Paulson on March 21, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Hear, hear!!! I am dreading the day Favre gets inducted to the HOF. ESPN will be running Favre highlights 24/7 for a month millennium.

Bitter Clinger on March 21, 2012 at 2:50 PM

FIFY. :-)

Myron Falwell on March 21, 2012 at 3:10 PM

As a Viking fan I have a part of me that thinks this is too light however the penalty would have been too stiff IF the Aints had not lied of the bounty system. The crime isn’t what kills ya, it’s the cover up!

Take a look at the picture of Favre’s ankle after that game and the deliberate low hits.

http://sitelife.clarionledger.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/14/0/ee321ee9-ed18-4edd-b02c-875cf29173eb.Full.jpg

Exit question:
Time to invest in paper bags in New Orleans?

VikingGoneWild on March 21, 2012 at 3:10 PM

$500K sounds like a lot, but it is probably less than the annual salary of the lowest first string player on the team.

The Saints’ starting TE, Jimmy Graham, makes less than that.

teke184 on March 21, 2012 at 3:10 PM

I hope this is good for young Mr. Tebow but I sure wish I could have bought a ticket of two here in Jacksonville to see him.

Cindy Munford on March 21, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Dittos. I used to live in Jax (moved to another state 12 years ago). I would happily have traveled back to Jax for a weekend or two just to watch Tim play.

So all the liberal women in New York City are angry that Tebow is going to play in their town. Their anger, however, is matched by their desire that perhaps they might see him at the local beach with his shirt off.

radjah shelduck on March 21, 2012 at 2:44 PM

LOL. He is a great-looking guy. And I am straight.

HeatSeeker2011 on March 21, 2012 at 3:11 PM

I said multiple times over the last couple seasons that the Saints were over the top on their aggressiveness. And I love a good hit! But they seemed to want to seriously injure. I refused to watch them because of it. And I’m a huge football fan!

maables on March 21, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Exit question:
Time to invest in paper bags in New Orleans?

VikingGoneWild on March 21, 2012 at 3:10 PM

They can buy them from the Vikes’ fans, given how bad the team’s been since Favre threw away the NFCCG after the 2009 season.

teke184 on March 21, 2012 at 3:11 PM

In a non-specific situation, the Jets getting Tebow isn’t that bad a fit. When they went to the AFC Championship game after the 2009 and 2010 seasons, they did mainly due to their defense and running game — i.e., they weren’t asking Mark Sanchez to do that much, so if the Jets were to use the same formula to regain their success in 2012, were Tebow to have to come in for Sanchez, it wouldn’t require that radical a change in the offensive stategy (and their new OC Tony Sporano was the one who put the Wildcat in with the Dolphins down in Miami).

The downside is last season, when the running game faltered and the Jets had to rely more on the passing attack, Sanchez couldn’t do it, and if the running game remains anemic in 2012, he and/or Tebow will have to up their passing game. But the main problem is that the J-E-T-S Jets, Jets, Jets are the last team that needs any more of a media circus around them, especially after their crosstown rival won the Super Bowl six weeks ago.

Putting Tebow into a media circus where the long knives were already out for the incumbent quarterback is bad enough. Making it worse is it’s New York, where you can be sure that anti-religious liberals (especially those in the big media) who know zilch about football or even hate the sport are now going to target their anger at the Jets and their new quarterback whether he does as well, better or worse than Sanchez.

If the idea is to take away some of the newspaper and TV space from the Giants going into next season it’s a great call. As a strategic move for a team that really needs to get out of the spotlight as much as possible, it’s questionable at best.

jon1979 on March 21, 2012 at 3:12 PM

As a Viking fan I have a part of me that thinks this is too light however the penalty would have been too stiff IF the Aints had not lied of the bounty system. The crime isn’t what kills ya, it’s the cover up!

Take a look at the picture of Favre’s ankle after that game and the deliberate low hits.

http://sitelife.clarionledger.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/14/0/ee321ee9-ed18-4edd-b02c-875cf29173eb.Full.jpg

Exit question:
Time to invest in paper bags in New Orleans?

VikingGoneWild on March 21, 2012 at 3:10 PM

We were watching that game. I am not a Vikings fan but am a Favre fan. I told my husband that Favre was going to get hurt. Did I read the offer was $10K to take out Favre? Can’t remember .. have to find it again.

maables on March 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Getting traded to the Jets for a 4th round pick was nothing but a big fat F.U. from Elway to Tebow. I like Manning and hope he remains healthy, but I really, really hope the Broncos fail to make it to the playoffs this year. I’m not a Tebow or Broncos fan, but I think Elway has treated that kid like garbage when he was, overall, a positive influence on his team last year. Elway has no class.

vermillionsky on March 21, 2012 at 3:14 PM

And once again the Jets ignore pressing needs at:

Safety
Wide Reciever
Outside Linebacker

And most importantly… RIGHT TACKLE…

And instead pick up Tim “I complete 40% of my passes” Tebow. Don’t get me wrong. I like Tebow. I root for Tebow. But I’m a Jets fan before I’m a Tebow fan and…

Yeah.

Professor de la Paz on March 21, 2012 at 3:14 PM

With all the talk about cash, how about the Jets making this move after they just signed Sanchez to a huge extension with $20 million guaranteed?

Nobody will win in this situation.

JDF123 on March 21, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Did I read the offer was $10K to take out Favre? Can’t remember .. have to find it again.

maables on March 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

SI claimed in 2010 that Saints MLB Jonathan Vilma offered $10K to anyone who took out Favre, but that claim was later retracted by the source who made it.

teke184 on March 21, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Why the demonization of Elway? I probably would have dealt Tebow, as well. He’s an awful QB who is a liability throwing the ball – and those late-game comebacks are unlikely to continue. Even with Manning on the roster, a certain segment of the fanbase would have kept calling for Tebow anyway, and he’s a lightning rod for controversy.

A lot of people think Tebow is better than he is because they want him to be – for religious reasons or whatever. He obviously has athletic talent, but he needs a lot of work to be a consistently good NFL QB. NY might not be the best place for him, but it’s an opportunity all the same. Good luck to him.

DRayRaven on March 21, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Newsflash due the onerous hammer down and gutting of the Saints, there will likely be a march on the NFL offices.

Kermit on March 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Well I hope the Rams haven’t gotten too far into their defensive schemes. They now need a DC.

Vince on March 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Good.

Putting a bounty on a gimpy-kneed Old Man (Farve)was low even by New Orleans standards.

This kinda crap makes me glad that every time I flush it eventuality ends up in The Big Easy.
Bruno Strozek on March 21, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Every single defensive players stated goal is to hit the offensive player as hard as possible to make him physically and mentally quit. If the Saints were paying people to injure guys with illegal hits don’t you think the Saints would be one of the top teams in terms of fines for illegal hits, roughing penalties, and personal fouls? Yet, they weren’t. In 3 season they had 18 injuries happen in games against them, most minor, and whenever the media would talk about the “bounty” they showed nothing but legal hits because there really aren’t a lot of illegal hits by Saints players.

The hypocrisy shown by Goodell, et al, is astonishing. James Harrison has more fines and personal foul penalties levied against him than the entire saints team combined yet the Steelers aren’t penalized. The Green Bay Packers were exposed for a “bounty” program in 2007, even injuring Adrian Peterson during one of the “bounty” games and yet the NFL let them off without one single penalty or fine. Hell, Bill Belicheck blatantly cheated and threw the integrity of the entire NFL into question and he got fined 500k and they lost 1 single draft pick. Meanwhile the Saints lose their head coach for an entire season, which amounts to an 8 million dollar fine, their GM for half a season, 2 draft picks, and there will be player suspensions.

Goodell claims this is for player safety while at the same time wants to extend the regular season by 2 games. The Saints should be punished, they broke the rules, but so should every other team that had a bounty program and the punishment shouldn’t be anything close to as harsh as the SCOAMF Roger Goodell has handed down from on high.

MFn G I M P on March 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM

The Broncos do realize that the Jets are in the AFC…

… don’t they?

/

Seven Percent Solution on March 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Gives a whole new meaning to “Football pads”

portlandon on March 21, 2012 at 2:56 PM

portlandon:Maybe ShamWow’s would/could be better!!
(sarc):0

canopfor on March 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Actually, since it’s the coach who’s getting suspended, not any players

I thought that they said the punishment for the players will be forthcoming. Maybe I heard wrong. I feel for Tebow. I think NYers will hate him before he ever gets on the field. And, Denver traded him for two picks, not one.

kit9 on March 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM

SI claimed in 2010 that Saints MLB Jonathan Vilma offered $10K to anyone who took out Favre, but that claim was later retracted by the source who made it.

teke184 on March 21, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Thanks! I knew I read something like that.

maables on March 21, 2012 at 3:18 PM

I will find it extremely funny if the NFL goes back to when Williams was with Washington and hits them for his actions there-and in the process destroys their trade for the #2 pick this year.

Snyder has horrible luck with his team. It wouldn’t be unexpected if his people managed to screw up the possibility of getting a decent quarterback. Of course, they only go after flashy receivers while ignoring their horrible O-line, so a thoroughbred at QB might not make much of a difference…

Good luck to Tebow, but we all know the only real team up there is my beloved New York Football Giants.

PetecminMd on March 21, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Exit question:
Time to invest in paper bags in New Orleans?

VikingGoneWild on March 21, 2012 at 3:10 PM

They can buy them from the Vikes’ fans, given how bad the team’s been since Favre threw away the NFCCG after the 2009 season.

teke184 on March 21, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Don’t worry. Both the Vikings and Saints STILL have a better shot at contending this season than the Cleveland Browns.

Myron Falwell on March 21, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Actually, they’re a very good team. It’s clubs like the Pirates and Royals that suck.

rbj on March 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

$ for $, the Pirates and the Royals do not suck as compared to the dang Yankees.

Vince on March 21, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Tebow could have played behind Peyton Manning and learned at the feet of the master for a couple more years

Exactly what 80% of Denver fans have been saying.

My youngest son never liked Manning as a Colt and REALLY doesn’t like him as a Bronco. My husband, a life-long Broncos fan, thinks Manning is good for the Broncos but having both him and Tebow would have been much better.

It also brings up what professional sports should be about. All of the local loyalty left years ago when free agency was implemented. Who wants to cheer for a bunch of millionaires who move from team to team and the team is never the same from year to year? Like my son said, why should he cheer on the Broncos over the Jets? They’re all the same anymore.

Tim Tebow saved the season and brought excitement and fun back to the sport. He’s fun to watch, both on and off the field. We’re Jets fans now and will be interested to see how much better he’ll do when he’s with a team that appreciates him.

As for the Broncos and King John, who cares? Just like Tony Dorsett, Manning will probably get hurt in the beginning of the season, leaving the Broncos with their no-name backup. Ah, what could have been.

Common Sense on March 21, 2012 at 3:20 PM

The wisdom of this Manning for Tebow deal escapes me. Manning has had 4 neck surgeries. The likelihood of a “good” recovery for your spine goes down with the square of the number of procedures that you have had done. Manning should be viewed as extremely fragile and I expect him to miss lots of games, develop aggravating problems or getting flat out reinjured–hopefully not too traumatically. If that happens, then the wisdom of this trade will be revealed…er,…

ted c on March 21, 2012 at 3:21 PM

I will find it extremely funny if the NFL goes back to when Williams was with Washington and hits them for his actions there-and in the process destroys their trade for the #2 pick this year.

I could see that happening…

The NFL is not amused by the threats Snyder and Jerry Jones have made to sue the league over their punishment of the two teams for salary cap shenanigans.

teke184 on March 21, 2012 at 3:21 PM

I agree with the many criticisms of Elway already made. This is a good summary.

I think Elway has treated that kid like garbage when he was, overall, a positive influence on his team last year. Elway has no class.

vermillionsky on March 21, 2012 at 3:14 PM

I’m confident that Tebow will weather this with his character and continue to show leadership in his team support. He’s also proved he’ll work hard to improve in every way he can.

I hope the Jets have a great season and that Tebow will be an obvious contributor to it—whether it’s in his attitude or his play.

INC on March 21, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Gives a whole new meaning to “Football pads”

portlandon on March 21, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Coffee on keyboard…..hearty laughter…..thanks.

oldroy on March 21, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Plus with a new offensive coordinator who practically invented the Wild Cat this could be a great move by the Jets.

FLconservative on March 21, 2012 at 3:23 PM

If anyone thinks that the head coach had no idea his defensive coordinator was running a bounty program, then I have a bridge to sell you. I like Sean Payton but he’s in the big chair and it’s his butt on the line. This isn’t the Longest Yard, this is people’s health and livelihood.

As for Tebow, I guess Elway ain’t no Lincoln.

jnelchef on March 21, 2012 at 3:23 PM

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