Open thread: Illinois; Update: Exit poll added; Update: Fox News calls it for Romney; Video: Romney speech added
posted at 7:37 pm on March 20, 2012 by Allahpundit
Polls close at 8 p.m. ET. Hey, remember six days ago when this was going to be Santorum’s last, best chance to steal a major “Romney state” away from Romney (in the midwest, no less) and make a real race of this thing? According to the pollsters, that chance has come and gone. I wonder why.
As much as I enjoy the all-night election threads, looks like we’re destined for this one to be called promptly at eight. Exit polls and video of the speeches will follow below but no cliffhangers tonight, alas. Ask not for whom the bell tolls, says Nate Silver — it tolls for Sweater Vest:
In fact, Mr. Santorum now looks like he’ll win no more than a third of the 54 delegates that are at stake on Tuesday. Illinois awards its delegates entirely by Congressional district — two to four at a time. If Mr. Santorum is losing the state by 10 or more points, he is unlikely to win any of the 12 Congressional districts that are divided between Chicago and its suburbs. And he has no chance at all of winning the 13th Congressional District, which is more favorable to him but where he failed to get enough signatures to get his delegates on the ballot…
Say that Mr. Romney wins the 16th Congressional District, which includes some areas on the far outskirts of the Chicago metro area, but Mr. Romney holds the other four. That would make the delegate count for the night Romney 40, Santorum 14, and put Mr. Romney ahead by almost 300 delegates — 561 to 267 — in the national total.
That isn’t a close race, nor is it one that it is likely to require a brokered convention to resolve. If that is the count after Illinois votes, Mr. Romney would require only 46 percent of the remaining delegates to clinch a majority (he was won about 55 percent so far), and only 39 percent to clinch a plurality.
Per Jeff Greenfield, there may be one last path left to deny Romney the nomination. Change the rules:
If Romney has not secured the nomination by the time the delegates convene in Tampa, Fla., at the end of August, the prospects for a genuine floor fight are greater than you might imagine. The reason is that delegates who are bound or pledged to a candidate are only obligated to follow his wishes when it comes to voting for a nominee. And in most contentious conventions, it is a fight over the rules that has effectively determined the nominee…
Suppose the challenge to Romney is broader, and that, like the Kennedy forces did in 1980, the opposition offers a rule to free all the delegates from their commitments on the ground that the primaries have demonstrated Romney’s weakness. Here, we could see a number of delegates bound to Romney vote to liberate themselves from the obligation to vote for him. (Again, we should note that delegates bound to vote for Romney as the nominee don’t have to side with him on other votes that stand to determine his fate.) Sure, most delegates would probably stand by the former governor on grounds of loyalty, fairness or fear of reprisals. But if Romney has not garnered a large enough share of delegates by convention time, it would not take many defections to make every delegate a free agent, and thus turn the whole convention upside down.
Maybe, but don’t forget that there are 123 superdelegates in the mix too, the vast majority of which are likely to break for Mitt in the interest of avoiding a floor fight if he shows up in Tampa on the cusp of 1,144. If he rolls out a pledge from, say, 100 superdelegates to back him and that puts him over the top, how likely is it that the other delegates will refuse him a nomination that he’s essentially clinched?
Here’s CNN’s Illinois election page for real-time results. You know the drill by now: Metro areas (i.e. Cook County and its surroundings) belong to Team Mitt, rural areas belong to Team Sweater. Whoever overperforms in the other’s stronghold will have a good night. Updates to come below. Exit question one: Can Romney hit 50 percent? If so, I wonder if he’ll use his victory speech to formally call on Santorum and Gingrich to drop out. If not, expect the media narrative tomorrow to look something like this. Exit question two: How much longer can Newt hold on? He already has as much campaign debt as cash on hand and the donations are drying up.
Update: Michele Bachmann: “At this point, we would be better off if we could unify around a candidate, whoever that candidate may be.”
Update: Preliminary exit polls already looking good for Romney:
Preliminary exit poll results find that six in 10 Illinois voters see Romney as the candidate with the best chance of beating Barack Obama, a bit better than his average across exit polls this year. More strikingly, Romney also leads Rick Santorum, albeit narrowly, as the candidate who “best understands the problems of average Americans.”
It’s only the second state, of six where the question’s been asked, in which Romney’s been poised to beat his rivals on empathy. The other was Florida.
Update: Here’s the exit poll promptly at 8 p.m. No call yet, but assuming the exits are right, Romney wins by 10 points with 45 percent of the vote. Back with highlights in a moment.
Update: Demographics have been destiny so far in the primaries and Illinois is no different. Scroll through the exits and you’ll see lots of familiar trends: Santorum wins voters with no college education while Romney wins college grads and up; Santorum wins lower-income voters while Romney wins the rich; Santorum wins the “very conservative” while Romney cleans up with centrists and independents; Santorum dominates among evangelicals while Romney dominates among non-evangelicals; Santorum crushes Romney among those who say it’s most important that the candidate’s a “true conservative” while Romney crushes Santorum on electability. Two interesting outlier data points, though — and bear in mind that the exit numbers will change slightly over the course of the evening as more data comes in. First, Mitt Romney, the tea party choice?

And second, Mitt Romney, the Catholic choice — in a landslide:

And then there’s this. When I first looked at the exits, it broke 48/40 for Mitt. As CNN’s refined the data, it’s shrunk:

That supports the conventional wisdom on Newt dropping out. Santorum closes the gap, but not enough to win. And Romney actually picks up a few votes, which puts him a tiny bit closer to winning a majority of delegates.
Update: At 8:33, the FNC decision desk says it’s all over. Now we wait for the speeches and to see how close Romney gets to 50 percent.
Update: Just got a blast e-mail from Team Newt. No gracious concession tonight:
“To defeat Barack Obama, Republicans can’t nominate a candidate who relies on outspending his opponents 7-1. Instead, we need a nominee who offers powerful solutions that hold the president accountable for his failures. Over the past few weeks, my $2.50 gas plan has shown how America could have cheaper gas, more jobs and greater national security while putting the White House on the defense over their anti-American energy policies. This is the type of leadership I can offer as the nominee, and this campaign will spend between now and when the delegates vote in Tampa relentlessly taking the fight to President Obama to make this case.”
Update: Here’s your tweet of the day from Newt, who’s dead last in Illinois as I write this — behind even Ron Paul:
Low turnout tonight. A nominee that depresses turnout won’t beat @BarackObama. Still time for a conservative. Join us
Update: Don’t look now, but with 53 percent reporting, not only is Romney outperforming the exit polls, he’s tantalizingly close to 50 percent. Right now he leads Santorum 48/34.
Update: Here’s Romney’s speech; read the corresponding NBC analysis for data points on why this might, might, might finally be proof that Republicans are grudgingly coming around to him. With the possible exception of Florida, this is the biggest win of his campaign. Next up: Wisconsin.
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WOW!!!!!
i’m surprised these guys didn’t leave the country…why stay so close by???
they are NOT americans, so tingles and wolfie have to create a new narrative…
but hey al quaeda is dead right????
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:28 AM
Morning Scrumpy, get some coffee in ya ok?
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:30 AM
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:28 AM
By all accounts, and if what they threw out of vehicle windows at cops was ‘grenades’ and a possible pressure cooker bomb, sounds like they were planning another bombing?
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:30 AM
they are either from chechen or turkey
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:30 AM
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:30 AM
Hard to say right now… not going to speculate…
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:31 AM
cripe…and dear leader was there, they could have done something during that service….
shock, I thought morning joe would have said a few words and then return to his gun control rant day 2….
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:32 AM
I pray to God they’re well-armed.
PackerBronco on April 19, 2013 at 6:33 AM
true
was just listening to pete williams…
they are legal permanent residents who have been here for a year apparently….who granted them????
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:34 AM
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:32 AM
I am thinking they came here on Student Visas, stayed at MIT, felt comfortable there, until 5.30pm yesterday… then they had to think about moving and possibly doing somthing on the way out… MIT cop spots them and he is shot multiple times…
I don’t understand why they let the person they hijacked, go?
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:35 AM
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:34 AM
How does he know that?
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:36 AM
PackerBronco on April 19, 2013 at 6:33 AM
Ditto!
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:36 AM
good question
have no clue how, unless he has a source?
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:38 AM
holy cow, the #1 had an IED strapped to him when they found him?????
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:39 AM
I don’t stop in much anymore, but I am so glad I can stop by and have everything reported to me by some really good reporters ……..
Hey Scrumpy ………..;-)
angrymike on April 19, 2013 at 6:39 AM
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:38 AM
No credible source, not believing it…
FBI will fill us in eventually…
If they are connected to a terror cell, FBI won’t give out too much…
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:40 AM
angrymike on April 19, 2013 at 6:39 AM
YOU have been sorely missed!! Good to see you mike :-)
How are you?
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:41 AM
Adherents of “the Religion of Peace”? Say it ain’t so!///
About Obama and those Executive Orders…My take.
kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 6:41 AM
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:39 AM
Again who said that?
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:41 AM
hmmmmmmmm Pete Williams, CNN or MSNBC?
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:42 AM
ok, will stay cool…
it looks like Joe took the day off, he return to his rant on monday i bet…
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:42 AM
or CBS? Lol…
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:43 AM
msdnc natch
he was irking me on the first day, bringing up this reminds him of atlanta and trying to connect it to a right wing extremist group…
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:44 AM
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:42 AM
No.1 was shot multiple times, he had what a Dr said was possible trunk injuries from an explosive device, nothing else was said…
No one has come forth officially to say anything was strapped to him, so Williams is making shit up!
2 guys sitting on curb handcuffed, wrong place wrong time maybe?
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:45 AM
IF the other guy has an IED strapped to himself too, there maybe another explosion…
YIKES
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:46 AM
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:44 AM
Fox is best to watch for now… IMHO!
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:46 AM
canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 6:24 AM
Hey friend! You never went to bed either did you? :-)
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:26 AM
Scrumpy:
Nope,but soon,and,the next part of this operation is
flushing him out!
What a night,and past four days,catch you later,meantime
heres this Gem,if true,a whole new something,a Jihady
Mercenary!:)
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MIT shooting, April 18, 2013
Both suspects may have foreign military experience, likely to have lived in the United States for around a year – @NBCNews
8 mins ago by editor
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Breaking:
Foreign MilitaryGoons is said to be Russian,from the Chechnya region.
canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 6:47 AM
wow
will do
where’s canopfor? i thought he was just here???
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:47 AM
there’s canopfor :)
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:48 AM
brothers?
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:49 AM
Scrumpy
I’ll be back, the election killed me…..
Im good, especially now that dear leaders plans on ppl control have been stopped, tell the overnight crew, howdy, and “I’ll be back”……………..:-)
angrymike on April 19, 2013 at 6:49 AM
canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 6:47 AM
You are a stand up Canadian Citizen!! Yeah go to bed, I logged off, I couldn’t focus doing 2 things!
Am so wide awake now it ain’t funny!
God Bless canopfor and sleep well!!
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:50 AM
Chechen = Muslem
Somebody gonna be upset. Anybody seen the troll yet, just got here myself.
D-fusit on April 19, 2013 at 6:51 AM
angrymike on April 19, 2013 at 6:49 AM
You got it mike!! Good to see you again :-D
See you later!!
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:51 AM
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh Fox naming names!!
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:51 AM
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:49 AM
Where is Fox getting this news? I can’t do 2 things lol!
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:52 AM
This is absolutely unbelievable.
joekenha on April 19, 2013 at 6:53 AM
D-fusit on April 19, 2013 at 6:51 AM
Not yet, they still in bed…lol…
They won’t show now…
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:53 AM
in other news….amnesty, here we come
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:53 AM
Just love to stop in and see Canopfor pounding out the info and links………
sleep well Canopfor, my Canadian friend ……….;-)
angrymike on April 19, 2013 at 6:54 AM
If the terrorists are Chechen, expect CNN and MSNBC to label them ‘right-wing fundamentalists’. Without mentioning the exact religion, of course.
Liam on April 19, 2013 at 6:54 AM
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:49 AM
I am sorry! I guess Williams got it right! My bad…
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:54 AM
before I turned the channel…
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:54 AM
I’m waiting for that…
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:55 AM
i like bill hemmer
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:56 AM
I missed it, is Boston shut down now?
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:57 AM
Well,there goes the Lib/Dem/SocialistProTards Grand Illusion,
of the HomeLand Security safety bulletin,of returning War Vets,
who were..(Alledged) RightWingWackos,ready to snap,
and now,the Goons were terrorists,and ahem,Muslim,
and so,there goes that bright Lefty Theory!!!
MIT shooting, April 18, 2013
Surviving Boston bombing suspect named as 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev – @NBCNews, @AP
51 secs ago by editor
canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 6:58 AM
I am so hungry! Goona make some toast…
Hold down the fort eh cmsinaz :-D
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:58 AM
Did they find an explosive device?
This guy has on full protective gear!
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:59 AM
flipping back and forth…
they are speculating that the dude does have an ied strapped to him….he’s going to blow somewhere
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:59 AM
like Liam said, once this is over, the lsm will turn this around to being a right wing group overseas….
will do my best scrumpy :)
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 7:00 AM
MIT shooting, April 18, 2013
Amtrak service between Providence, Rhode Island and Boston suspended due to police activity – @AmtrakNEC
5 mins ago by editor
canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 7:01 AM
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 6:59 AM
No. 2 guy eh?
People who look like these 2 did, wow, they are gonna be fearful to go out…
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 7:01 AM
Yes, A real improvement over Shep.
esr1951 on April 19, 2013 at 7:02 AM
Well the left got their wish, they were caucasian. The only problem, of course, is that they were not associated with the Tea Party Movement (Morning Joe hardest hit). If this is truly the identity of the bombers (the press has been notoriously wrong about this story every step of the way) we still have a long way to go to understand why Chechens would be here- unless they happen to be card carrying members of the religion of peace. But it is unfair to make that speculation at this time.
Happy Nomad on April 19, 2013 at 7:05 AM
An empty chair would be an improvement over Shep- Rachael Madcow’s example of a fair anchor on FNC (really). Shep would likely jump from coverage of this manhunt to a car chase in Los Angeles.
Happy Nomad on April 19, 2013 at 7:06 AM
Things are expanding! Bus loads pouring in now…
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 7:09 AM
Happy don’t forget tingles and wolfie :)
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 7:12 AM
logging off for a spell…
God Bless folks!! later!
Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 7:12 AM
Stand by for today’s lecture from sesqui about ethnicity and nationality.
kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 7:16 AM
thanks buddy
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 7:16 AM
no doubt
cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 7:17 AM
KJ, was thinking the same. Where oh where is you sesqui, come defend yourself.
D-fusit on April 19, 2013 at 7:22 AM
Just a reminder that is was in Chechnya where terrorists craving innocent blood shot up a school full of children….
Don L on April 19, 2013 at 7:52 AM
And Youtubed the cutting of a young captured Russian Soldier’s throat for all to see, holding him down and sawing through it with a serrated edge if memory serves.
MarshFox on April 19, 2013 at 7:57 AM
listens2glenn on April 19, 2013 at 8:24 AM
Congress can’t make my neighborhood safer just like it didn’t make the Boston Marathon safer. What’s next for them, regulating pressure cookers? After 911, they came to all the fertilizer mfgrs and had them beef up security around the plants, and had sellers notice large sales to unknown persons. This hasn’t stopped the bombings, either. They tell us if we see something to say something. This means they can’t protect us all the time so we better be ready to take care of ourselves.
Kissmygrits on April 19, 2013 at 10:31 AM
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This may explain the heavy coats and hoodies during the marathon… Their backup plan in case of discovery may have been vest bombs, and the winter dress would definitely help hide the bulk of those bombs.
RalphyBoy on April 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM
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Because she is full of crap. They all know they were selling another HC type over-kill Bill… but one designed to ‘f’ up Americans’ ability to choose to how to defend themselves…
And they know that what they were pushing is not supported by the masses. The sweet talk about it might have some strong support, but the sh*t they wrote into the hundreds of pages is not. We don’t trust them at all anymore.
Everything they say is woven with lies at this point. EVERYTHING.
RalphyBoy on April 19, 2013 at 11:21 AM
So they pushed for an assault weapons ban, hoping to force a compromise. Instead, they caused a pushback. And there’s the backfire.
This is significant, because the progressives are always pushing for something, and pushback is always a distinct possibility. A good example is same sex marriage, which we are told over and over and over again is inevitable. But we were told the same thing about gun control regulations: that the public was in favor of it and it was going to happen.
In the case of same sex marriage, the master plan of forcing all states to accept unnatural same sex marriage by having one or two states adopt it hit a serious backfire: the majority of states now have added to their state constitution that same sex marriage is specifically prohibited. 38 states have some kind of law defining marriage as between a man and a woman. For 32 states, it’s now in their constitution. About half of the remaining states allow civil unions, but not marriage. To push through a law at this point mandating same sex marriage would clearly be letting the few dictate to the many, and make a mockery of states rights.
Which is why they want to get the Supreme Court to overrule everybody and just mandate it.
There Goes the Neighborhood on April 19, 2013 at 11:42 AM
Remember when they tried to claim the poor black college professor was discriminated against by a white police officer … in a city with a black mayor … in a state with a black governor … in a nation with a black president?
“The Cambridge police acted stupidly”
Yeah … not as stupidly as certain politicians.
There Goes the Neighborhood on April 19, 2013 at 11:59 AM
…he’s busy sequestering his sperm…that’s way I call him spermsequestration…maybe it should be spermcastration !
KOOLAID2 on April 19, 2013 at 1:00 PM
This idea of designing bills in the back room by 6 or 8 politicians and then ramming it through congress a half hour later has to stop. Let’s get back to regular order and stay there like the Founders designed it to work. Public Debate is necessary!
Herb on April 20, 2013 at 9:42 AM
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