ARG poll puts Romney up 14 in Illinois

posted at 11:00 am on March 20, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Illinois provides the latest showdown in the Republican presidential nomination race, and a second poll puts Mitt Romney up by double digits over his main competitor Rick Santorum.  Echoing a PPP poll taken at roughly the same time, the new ARG survey of 600 likely Illinois voters shows a 14-point lead for Romney, 44/30, with Newt Gingrich trailing badly at 13%.  But should both be taken with grains of salt?

Mitt Romney leads the Illinois Republican presidential primary with 44%. Romney is followed by Rick Santorum with 30%, Newt Gingrich with 13%, and Ron Paul with 8%.

Romney leads Santorum 45% to 35% among self-identified Republicans, followed by Gingrich with 12% and Paul with 4%. Among self-identified independents and Democrats, Romney leads with 42%, followed by Paul with 20%, Gingrich with 17%, and Santorum with 16%.

Romney leads Santorum 51% to 36% among likely Republican primary voters saying they have voted in early voting or by absentee ballot. Romney leads Santorum 43% to 30% among those saying they will vote on March 20, followed by Gingrich with 15% and Paul with 8%.

Let’s not forget that both PPP and ARG didn’t exactly cover themselves in glory when it came to polling Mississippi.  Four days before the primaries, ARG had Santorum 15 points off the lead, with Gingrich edging Romney 35/31 and Santorum at 20%.  The day before the primary, PPP had Santorum trailing by six in third place.  Santorum ended up winning Mississippi by two points and 4500 votes.  That counts as a pretty big swing and a miss, even in primary polling.

Illinois isn’t Mississippi, however.  Santorum won in the conservative southern state by winning the very conservative voter demo, which accounted for 42% of all primary voters.  That demo isn’t likely to be as strong in Illinois, which makes it more difficult for Santorum to outperform the polls.  ARG doesn’t split the vote by ideology, but it does look at Tea Party supporters as a separate demo.  Romney leads Santorum by six points among those voters, giving even less hope for another election-day surprise — again, though, assuming ARG has a representative sample in place, an assumption that didn’t turn out to well last week.

The unique nature of this primary might impact turnout models more than one would think, too.  As Eric Ostermeier points out, Illinois rarely has a meaningful presidential primary — or a competitive one, either:

Illinois has held its primary in March (1972 through 2004) or February (2008) in each of the last 10 presidential election cycles, but the state has done little to prolong the Republican Party’s nomination battles during this span.

A Smart Politics review of the 25 Illinois GOP presidential primary elections conducted since 1912 finds that only one contest has been decided by less than 10 points, with the winner enjoying an average victory margin of 60 points.

To say that there has been little drama in Illinois Republican primaries in recent decades is an understatement to be sure.

Overall, the winner of the state’s 25 primaries has averaged 77.0 percent of the vote with an average victory margin of 59.8 points.

Even after excluding the reelection campaigns of Ronald Reagan in 1984 and George W. Bush in 2004 – in which these incumbents did not face any primary challengers – the winner of the Illinois GOP primary has still averaged 75.0 points and a margin of victory of 56.3 points.

In comparison, a 14-point spread is nearly even money.  That kind of a close race, along with some downticket contests that might spark unusual turnout, makes previous Illinois primary models suspect.  However, bear in mind that Santorum won’t qualify for ten of the delegates tonight, and that even a narrow victory will mean that Romney will pad his delegate lead.


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Bmore on March 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM

It’s Illinois for gawds sake! What were we expecting? Abe Lincoln’s
kin?

KOOLAID2 on March 20, 2012 at 11:04 AM

It’s Santorum’s last stand…again.

NickDeringer on March 20, 2012 at 11:05 AM

200 million dollars will put anyone 14 points in Illinois.

After this, the primaries are heading back south to Louisiana where he will lose

liberal4life on March 20, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Meh. The state is going to go for The Whine in November, so it really doesn’t matter whom the base supports here.

rbj on March 20, 2012 at 11:06 AM

I assume people have most of their teeth in Illinois, excellent!

hanzblinx on March 20, 2012 at 11:09 AM

rbj on March 20, 2012 at 11:06 AM

So, CA and NY.

There is non-serious move to break CA into two states. The Red CA would have the water access.

Oil Can on March 20, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Dropped by and voted this morning. No, I’m not telling.

The polling location, which had been constant for the eight years we’ve lived here, had been moved. The place was a ghost town, and the election judges were openly wondering if anyone was going to show.

ElectricPhase on March 20, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Can we just not allow GOP primaries in states like IL, NY, MA, and CA?

Who cares. They’re too far gone.

Common Sense Floridian on March 20, 2012 at 11:11 AM

He (Mitt) is dumping record amount of money into Illinois. He should take it by double digits.
Let’s hope he has a 10:1 spending ration against Obama…somehow I don’t think that will happen.

right2bright on March 20, 2012 at 11:11 AM

I always fret when a PPP poll tells me what I want to hear. I don’t trust those guys as far as I can throw them.

rogaineguy on March 20, 2012 at 11:12 AM

ration=ratio

right2bright on March 20, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Overall, the winner of the state’s 25 primaries has averaged 77.0 percent of the vote with an average victory margin of 59.8 points.

I can hear it now: “Romney didn’t even come close to the typical margin of victory, so even though he won the state and took a vast majority of the delegates, he still lost.”

It’s simple: Santorum can’t possible get to 1144 and if we have to broker a winner at the convention, we lose. If you think that hundreds of Mitt’s pledged delegates are going to switch to Santorum, you’re living in an Evangelical bubble.

pjaromin on March 20, 2012 at 11:13 AM

200 million dollars will put anyone 14 points in Illinois.

After this, the primaries are heading back south to Louisiana where he will lose

liberal4life on March 20, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Or a bribery conviction…or membership in the Communist Party…or stealing from a bank…or… It takes real trash to represent the F.I.B . of 2012, doesn’t it.

Thanks for the setup, chumpette.

MNHawk on March 20, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Can we just not allow GOP primaries in states like IL, NY, MA, and CA?

Who cares. They’re too far gone.

Common Sense Floridian on March 20, 2012 at 11:11 AM

My district turned red and kicked out our blew dog, but thanks for your concern.

ElectricPhase on March 20, 2012 at 11:14 AM

This explains why Rick Santorum’s wife was on CNN last night explaining that her husband wasn’t for the submission of American women in our society.

Santorum’s got a women problem.

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Radio reports here in IL that turnout is low…must be the 80+ degree day. I think my precinct was normal turnout for a primary.

If the turnout is low it just proves that IL deserves what it gets. If the population does not care to vote, then the politicians have a green light to run roughshod over its citizens.

WashJeff on March 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Thank you.

Bmore on March 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM

+ 1 (and thread winner …) ;-)

ShainS on March 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM

A Smart Politics review of the 25 Illinois GOP presidential primary elections conducted since 1912 finds that only one contest has been decided by less than 10 points, with the winner enjoying an average victory margin of 60 points.

Santorum: if I lose by less than 60 points, I actually win. Sweet!

DRayRaven on March 20, 2012 at 11:16 AM

ED,

your biased. but again the one story you should post about the turnaround In the Missouri cacus saturday you don’t

gerrym51 on March 20, 2012 at 11:17 AM

He (Mitt) is dumping record amount of money into Illinois. He should take it by double digits.
Let’s hope he has a 10:1 spending ration against Obama…somehow I don’t think that will happen.

right2bright on March 20, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Raising expectations?

Priscilla on March 20, 2012 at 11:17 AM

ED,

are you concerned about the general Election. Do you really think Santorum can get the nomination.

gerrym51 on March 20, 2012 at 11:21 AM

This explains why Rick Santorum’s wife was on CNN last night explaining that her husband wasn’t for the submission of American women in our society.

Santorum’s got a women problem.

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 11:14 AM

And that is with only half of the country paying attention to these primaries. Santorum needs to take his judgemental ways and his Mr. Ed horseteeth and go away. He and Newt don’t have a prayer, and if they think the GOP is going to be brought together by a bitterly contested brokered convention, they’re even more deluded than they appear.

BettyRuth on March 20, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Meh. The state is going to go for The Whine in November, so it really doesn’t matter whom the base supports here.

rbj on March 20, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Yawn as well. Mitt will win by around 10% and we’ll move on. He’s still not getting to 1144 by June.

Next….

davek70 on March 20, 2012 at 11:26 AM

He (Mitt) is dumping record amount of money into Illinois. He should take it by double digits.
Let’s hope he has a 10:1 spending ration against Obama…somehow I don’t think that will happen.

right2bright on March 20, 2012 at 11:11 AM

I don’t think 3.7 million is a record amount.

Rick Santorum’s campaign and super PAC have been outspent by a margin of 7 to 1 in the Illinois primary, with forces supporting Mitt Romney shelling out a total of about $3.7 million on the airwaves, according to a GOP media-buying source.

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Thank you.

Bmore on March 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM

+ 1 (and thread winner …) ;-)

ShainS on March 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM

While I greatly appreciate your high praise, which by the way in my short time here at HA, would be my third. It may not mean what you think it does. ; )

Bmore on March 20, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Rick Santorum’s campaign and super PAC have been outspent by a margin of 7 to 1 in the Illinois primary, with forces supporting Mitt Romney shelling out a total of about $3.7 million on the airwaves, according to a GOP media-buying source.

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 11:26 AM

7 to 1 ?

The idea that Santorum is still winning states after this huge financial muscle Willard has should tell all Americans all we need to know.

liberal4life on March 20, 2012 at 11:30 AM

He and Newt don’t have a prayer, and if they think the GOP is going to be brought together by a bitterly contested brokered convention, they’re even more deluded than they appear.
BettyRuth on March 20, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Yup. When your only hope is to attempt an ersatz Beer Hall Putsch, you just know the sun is not exactly smiling down on you.

whatcat on March 20, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Bmore
do you know if DHC is still with us?
Hang in there Newt /7%

angrymike on March 20, 2012 at 11:30 AM

They gave us Obama. They’ll give us Romney. Dog bites man.

apostic on March 20, 2012 at 11:31 AM

It’s been over for awhile now but I guess we have to drag this out for some reason. Looking forward to making this about President Algae.

BobScuba on March 20, 2012 at 11:31 AM

This is a predictable outcome, Romney has the delegates and the $$$.

Santorum has run out of geographical advantage to offset his lack of campaign funds, and delegates, Illinois is not the bible belt.

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 11:32 AM

As a former Illinoisan(‘Welcome to Illinois. The ‘s’ is silent, STUPID!’I'm thinking , DUH!
It’ was a given the Mitt was gonna win.
Btw: A lot of my friends back home-aren’t even voting today…and Spawn is po’d that he doesn’t turn 18 until next Sunday.
Soooo close…

annoyinglittletwerp on March 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Santorum remains the best choice, by far. Those who support Romney have given up on America and have given up on beating obama – a vote for Romney is a vote for surrender.

Rick Santorum can distinguish himself from obama – Romney cannot. Rick Santorum can beat obama – Romney cannot. A “nominee” Romney would be obama’s dream come true.

Pork-Chop on March 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Does Romney’s campaign have more money than Santorums-YES

Did Romney’s campaign have more money than Santorums last Dec.-yes

Did Romney’s campaign have more money than Santorums last sept-yes

Will Romney’s campaign have more money in april-yes

Is this a surprise. If the true conservatives want Santorum-give him YOUR money.

sheesh

gerrym51 on March 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM

If Santorum loses his home state, he is finished.

Mr. Arkadin on March 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Yawn as well. Mitt will win by around 10% and we’ll move on. He’s still not getting to 1144 by June.

Next….

davek70 on March 20, 2012 at 11:26 AM

You are absolutely wrong about Mitt not getting to 1144 by June- the longer Newt and Santorum drag this out with no hope of winning, the more fence sitters and some of their own supporters who care more about ousting Obama than voting for their favorite, will be voting Mitt, JUST TO END IT. Newt’s act is already old and looked down upon- Santorum will be there within the next month.

BettyRuth on March 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM

7 to 1 ?

The idea that Santorum is still winning states after this huge financial muscle Willard has should tell all Americans all we need to know.

liberal4life on March 20, 2012 at 11:30 AM

It tells me that Mitt is trying to close out Santorum, and put this thing to bed, it’s March 20th, we haven’t even got to the big delegate states California or Texas yet.

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Those who support Romney have given up on America and have given up on beating obama – a vote for Romney is a vote for surrender.

Pork-Chop on March 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Do you actually believe this?

Priscilla on March 20, 2012 at 11:36 AM

200 million dollars will put anyone 14 points in Illinois.

After this, the primaries are heading back south to Louisiana where he will lose

liberal4life on March 20, 2012 at 11:05 AM

…You forgot some religious bigotry…or did you leave that in your diaper?

KOOLAID2 on March 20, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Is Rick robocalling Dems and busing union members to the polls today?

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 11:35 AM
Texas is @ the end of May-Thanks Holder!///-because of that, our votes won’t matter.
*Go Ted Cruz!*

annoyinglittletwerp on March 20, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Priscilla on March 20, 2012 at 11:36 AM

I wanted Perry-but I’ll support Mitt if he’s the nominee…though he’s far from the best choice.
ABO 2012-ubnless it’s Paul.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 20, 2012 at 11:39 AM

If Santorum loses his home state, he is finished.

Mr. Arkadin on March 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM

You mean if he loses his home state again.

“Rick Santorum was a sitting senator who, in re-election, lost by 19 points,

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 11:40 AM

The idea that Santorum is still winning states after this huge financial muscle Willard has should tell all Americans all we need to know.

liberal4life on March 20, 2012 at 11:30 AM

…so, what is the point of your drooling!

KOOLAID2 on March 20, 2012 at 11:40 AM

I watched her on CNN last night. I wonder why she hasn’t given more interviews. She is educated, and articulate. She could have showed the public that she is not just a housewife. But I am disgusted by Piers Morgan, who should be fired for his involvement in the 9/11 victim phone tapping scandal, pretends to love her and Rick. He is a worthless SOB.

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2012 at 11:40 AM

When is Santorum going to end this and allow the GOP to focus on Obama?

If Santorum won EVERY single remaining contest, I’m not sure he could capture 1144 delegates since many of the states are proportional. He would have to win them with something like 70% of the vote to capture enough delegates.

It also doesn’t speak well of Santorum or Newt that their goal is to try and steal it at the Convention despite LOSING to Romney in both delegates and votes.

BradTank on March 20, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Romneycare tools on this site are obvious, they attack others because they can’t support his sociolism. Romneycare IS obama. This is what the romneycare hacks support!

*Health care mandates, everyone has to buy HC. This alone disqualifies romneycare. Further, his only legislative achievement was the model for obamacare, which gave the GOP the house in 2010. Romneycare is pure sociolism.

*He raised taxes $500 million
*He appointed liberal judges
*He had more dems than repubs in his administration
*He supports gun control
*He’s for cap 7 tax
*He is for every bailout, he is the candidate of wall street & the big banks. If they go bankrupt, we will bail them out.
*Believes in global warming
*pro choice
*Ted Kennedy (while alive) & john kerry’s best friend
*Small state Republican’s lost seats in his mid term election

The mittbots are just like romneycare, they are leftist. If you support romneycare, you support the above.

He comes the excuses!

Danielvito on March 20, 2012 at 11:42 AM

do you know if DHC is still with us?
Hang in there Newt /7%

angrymike on March 20, 2012 at 11:30 AM

…FREE predator…!!!

KOOLAID2 on March 20, 2012 at 11:42 AM

But I am disgusted by Piers Morgan, who should be fired for his involvement in the 9/11 victim phone tapping scandal, pretends to love her and Rick. He is a worthless SOB.

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Of course he loves them! All of Obama’s supporters love the Santorums-they are a gift they want to keep.

BettyRuth on March 20, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 11:35 AM
Texas is @ the end of May-Thanks Holder!///-because of that, our votes won’t matter.
*Go Ted Cruz!*

annoyinglittletwerp on March 20, 2012 at 11:38 AM

I think it is time to turn our attention to the Senate races. I think the Republicans need 10 seats to take back the U.S. Senate?

Does anyone know what the magic number is for republicans to take back the U.S. Senate?

I think after Snowe announced she wasn’t going to run for reelection, Karl Rove said, the republicans won’t take back the Senate.

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Santorum remains the worst choice, by far. There is a reason why he is the LAST not-Romney to come forth. Those who support Romney have hope in restoring America and give a electoral beating to Obama – a vote for Santorum is a vote for surrender.

Rick Santorum can not distinguish himself from Obama, he is a big Government NANNY stater – Romney can. Rick Santorum can’t beat Obama – Romney can. A “nominee” Romney would be Obama’s nightmare.

Gunlock Bill on March 20, 2012 at 11:44 AM

But I am disgusted by Piers Morgan, who should be fired for his involvement in the 9/11 victim phone tapping scandal, pretends to love her and Rick. He is a worthless SOB.

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2012 at 11:40 AM

You know that Piers Morgan is a Catholic right – just like the Santorums.

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Danielvito on March 20, 2012 at 11:42 AM

It is too bad you can’t be truthful in your posts. But then again ABRtards are left with nothing but falsehoods about Romney.

Gunlock Bill on March 20, 2012 at 11:46 AM

and if they think the GOP is going to be brought together by a bitterly contested brokered convention, they’re even more deluded than they appear.

BettyRuth on March 20, 2012 at 11:25 AM

as if a Romney supporter knows anything about party unity.. “horseteeth”… some of you just have to get personal.. I don’t like Romney, just do not, don’t hate him, but the fact is, a brokered convention can hardly be worse than the endless “why don’t you all quit so I can take my rightful place on the throne”.. comments just PO Santorum voters even more.

I could sit here and run down a list of put downs and personal insults about Romney, but that’s not how you encourage people emtionally invested in a candidate to listen..

Romney might win, he might have to step aside in a brokered convention, the fact is, nobody knows what will happen. The only,.. only thing looking better now, is Romney’s conservative outreach efforts finally have him throwing fastballs at Obama, instead of Rick. His last speech, which was covered and easy to find.. has him wodering why any young person could vote democrat..

score…

He keeps that up, I may change my mind.. but I like Rick, and the lines about him sermonizing are so much BS by angry Romney supporters.

mark81150 on March 20, 2012 at 11:48 AM

…FREE predator…!!!

KOOLAID2 on March 20, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Free Predator.
What happened to my Megashark friend?

annoyinglittletwerp on March 20, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Gunlock Bill on March 20, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Exactly what is not true, you just don’t like what your voting for!!

*Health care mandates, everyone has to buy HC. This alone disqualifies romneycare. Further, his only legislative achievement was the model for obamacare, which gave the GOP the house in 2010. Romneycare is pure sociolism.

*He raised taxes $500 million
*He appointed liberal judges
*He had more dems than repubs in his administration
*He supports gun control
*He’s for cap & tax
*He is for every bailout, he is the candidate of wall street & the big banks. If they go bankrupt, we will bail them out.
*Believes in global warming
*pro choice
*Ted Kennedy (while alive) & john kerry’s best friend
*Small state Republican’s lost seats in his mid term election

Danielvito on March 20, 2012 at 11:49 AM

“that kind of a close race”… lol.. a 14 point spread?

Romney will net 70%+ of the delegates tonight. Take it to the bank.

gatorboy on March 20, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 11:44 AM
Yes, but he is also a disengenous hack, who shouldn’t have his job. And just because he is technically catholic doesn’t mean anything. He supports Obama by propping santorum up and it’s shameless.

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2012 at 11:50 AM

My, my, my the anti-antiRomney dumpathon is in full force and the rabid insistence that the race is over? Wasn’t it over after Iowa, then New Hampshire, then Florida, then Michigan, then…I’ve lost track and old Mr. Electable, ain’t after all?! His supporters and donors are getting nervous because there’s a very good possibility he may not reach that magic number? If he’s a shoe-in then a brokered convention should not be a threat at all, right? After all, let’s not forget how dirty and dishonest the Romney campaign has been starting in Iowa and it’s working so well for him so far?

mozalf on March 20, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Santorum will lose his home state of Pennsylvania again by an even wider margin. That’s a no-brainer. I’m talking about his home state of Illinois, where he attended a Catholic high school.

Santorum also lost his home state of Virginia in 2012, where he wasn’t even on the ballot, like Gingrich, who, although losing his home state of Virginia, at least won his home state of Georgia.

Heck, Senador Puertorriqueño couldn’t even win his home unincorporated territory Puerto Rico!

Romney, on the other hand, won his home state of Massachusetts, and his home state of Michigan; he will also win his home states of California and Utah.

Despite all these wins, all we heard from the ABR’s after each victory was how weak a candidate Romney was because he couldn’t “seal the deal” with large margins in his home state(s).

Well, from my vantage point, it is Rick Santorum who lacks a home state advantage.

Mr. Arkadin on March 20, 2012 at 11:55 AM

turnout today in Ill is pitiful. This after romneycare has done this;

“Outgunned in Illinois
Rick Santorum’s campaign and affiliated super PAC have been outspent by Mitt Romney’s forces by a margin of 7 to 1 in the Illinois, Politico reports.

And in the “crucial, expensive Chicago media market,” the spending disparity is 21 to 1 in Romney’s favor.”

regarding turnout

Article about the putrid turnout- romneycare will keep conservatives at home

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/11415912-418/illinois-primary-polls-open-to-light-voter-turnout-so-far.html

Danielvito on March 20, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Those who support Romney have given up on America and have given up on beating obama – a vote for Romney is a vote for surrender.

Pork-Chop on March 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Do you actually believe this?

Priscilla on March 20, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Can’t speak for him, to me and a lot of Santorum voters, it’s a power struggle between the social conservatives who are the foot soldiers of the party, and the mods who hate anything to do with taking moral stands over the direction the party takes for the next four years.

Voting for Romney’s as valid a choice as any, but so is supporting a conservative who shares the values my family believe in. It’s demagogury to say Santorum is a dangerous theocrat, it’s shameless and it’s constant.. Many hate Romney’s progressive stands as governor, also a valid criticism. But I’d denounce anyone attacking his Mormon faith.

It will resolve itself, but unless mods stop with the Mitt’s way, or no way, freezing out conservatives again.. McCain may have picked Palin, but he ran as a pure centrist,.. and how’d that work for you mods?

Reagan, he let us all in the tent, and he favored social conservatives, the mods now, act very much like they’d love (many say so openly) to eject the social cons completely from the party..

Do you really believe that?

mark81150 on March 20, 2012 at 12:01 PM

ED,

your biased. but again the one story you should post about the turnaround In the Missouri cacus saturday you don’t

gerrym51 on March 20, 2012 at 11:17 AM

How many times have you asked that already? Maybe he doesn’t want to write about the Missouri “cacus”. Jeez.

Lightswitch on March 20, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Those who support Romney have given up on America

Pork-Chop on March 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Considering the video of Santorum endorsing Romney for the GOP nomination, by your definition Santorum has given up on America.

hanzblinx on March 20, 2012 at 12:03 PM

I assume people have most of their teeth in Illinois, excellent!

hanzblinx on March 20, 2012 at 11:09 AM

What was the point of that comment other than to be insulting to a whole area of this country? What an ass you are.

KickandSwimMom on March 20, 2012 at 12:05 PM

The idea that Santorum is still winning states after this huge financial muscle Willard has should tell all Americans all we need to know.

liberal4life on March 20, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Yeah, it does. It means that Republicans in crimson-red states will vote to nominate an intestinal polyp if it runs against RNC’s Chosen. That speaks volumes of RNC’s reputation, not of Romney.

Speaking of RNC, they stopped including a prepaid envelope with their donation requests. My guess is, they are kinda tired of reading the obscene recommendations I (and doubtlessly, quite a few others) send them back.

Archivarix on March 20, 2012 at 12:05 PM

A corrupt state will vote for a corrupt crony capitalist.

Jayrae on March 20, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Considering the video of Santorum endorsing Romney for the GOP nomination, by your definition Santorum has given up on America.

hanzblinx on March 20, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Consider yourself, Mitt-wit, that if you go on and listen to that 2008 video, Romney praises Santorum effusively as a strong conservative. You idiots do nothing by cherry-pick to demean and ridicule the competition. What a sad way to win.

KickandSwimMom on March 20, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Oh, well than that’s okay, Mitt will surely have 7 times more money to spend on a campaign than Obama…sheeesh, you pick up the peanut, and ignore the elephant…

right2bright on March 20, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Considering the video of Santorum endorsing Romney for the GOP nomination, by your definition Santorum has given up on America.

hanzblinx on March 20, 2012 at 12:03 PM

And of course Mitt supporting Santorum…oh, you missed that part? Than you are as big of con man as Mitt is…

right2bright on March 20, 2012 at 12:11 PM

What was the point of that comment other than to be insulting to a whole area of this country? What an ass you are.

KickandSwimMom on March 20, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Some posters aren’t known for their vast intellect. It’s tiresome and counterproductive.

Lightswitch on March 20, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Can’t speak for him, to me and a lot of Santorum voters, it’s a power struggle between the social conservatives who are the foot soldiers of the party, and the mods who hate anything to do with taking moral stands over the direction the party takes for the next four years.

Voting for Romney’s as valid a choice as any, but so is supporting a conservative who shares the values my family believe in. It’s demagogury to say Santorum is a dangerous theocrat, it’s shameless and it’s constant.. Many hate Romney’s progressive stands as governor, also a valid criticism. But I’d denounce anyone attacking his Mormon faith.

It will resolve itself, but unless mods stop with the Mitt’s way, or no way, freezing out conservatives again.. McCain may have picked Palin, but he ran as a pure centrist,.. and how’d that work for you mods?

Reagan, he let us all in the tent, and he favored social conservatives, the mods now, act very much like they’d love (many say so openly) to eject the social cons completely from the party..

Do you really believe that?

mark81150 on March 20, 2012 at 12:01 PM

The rabid animosity against conservatives from most of the posters is rather disturbing and eye-opening. This presidential election was supposed to have been a perfect opportunity to present the electorate with an excellent alternative to liberalism and a chance to set the stage for the future of the republican party. Instead, we’re being told it’s got to be the way of the past – moderates are the only ones who appeal to voters. And look where we are now with Romney getting shoved down our throats. We are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory with a Romney nomination, and it’s appearing less likely we will get a solid republican majority in Congress. That will be the kiss of death if democrats have enough power to bulldoze over a weak president like Romney and put a republican stamp on their policies. And no, I don’t believe he’d stand up to them – it’s a nightmare waiting to happen. Look at his record in Massachusetts! That’s why I’m fighting so hard for Santorum. I want a candidate I can feel passionate about and support 100%. Present to my democrat friends as a reasonable and positive change from the status quo. Win or lose, at least we’d be heading in the right direction finally. And what a feeling of satisfaction as opposed to acting like lemmings going over the cliff with the same old, same old.

mozalf on March 20, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Alt Headline:

Liberal Democrat well ahead in liberal state

angryed on March 20, 2012 at 12:16 PM

the social conservatives who are the foot soldiers of the party,

McCain may have picked Palin, but he ran as a pure centrist,.. and how’d that work for you mods?
mark81150 on March 20, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Not too many “foot soldiers” would brag on deserting and gleefully recount their fragging exploits.

whatcat on March 20, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Voting for Romney’s as valid a choice as any, but so is supporting a conservative who shares the values my family believe in. It’s demagogury to say Santorum is a dangerous theocrat, it’s shameless and it’s constant.. Many hate Romney’s progressive stands as governor, also a valid criticism. But I’d denounce anyone attacking his Mormon faith.

we just worry about winning the general election.

We need to win over the middle.

gerrym51 on March 20, 2012 at 12:19 PM

And of course Mitt supporting Santorum…oh, you missed that part? Than you are as big of con man as Mitt is…

Let Santorum run that ad. Why should Romney

gerrym51 on March 20, 2012 at 12:20 PM

What happened to predator?!!!!!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 20, 2012 at 12:22 PM

There is non-serious move to break CA into two states. The Red CA would have the water access.

Oil Can on March 20, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Might be a good idea for the rest of Illinois to secede from Chicago. It would probably vote like its neighbors Indiana and Missouri.

Steve Z on March 20, 2012 at 12:25 PM

we just worry about winning the general election.

We need to win over the middle.

gerrym51 on March 20, 2012 at 12:19 PM

You need to win over conservatives first.

Lightswitch on March 20, 2012 at 12:27 PM

He (Mitt) is dumping record amount of money into Illinois. He should take it by double digits.
Let’s hope he has a 10:1 spending ration against Obama…somehow I don’t think that will happen.

right2bright

Well he doesn’t have that much of a lead against Santorum so he probably wont need to.

Zaggs on March 20, 2012 at 12:35 PM

It’s to say Santorum is a dangerous theocrat, it’s shameless and it’s constant.. Many hate Romney’s progressive stands as governor, also a valid criticism. But I’d denounce anyone attacking his Mormon faith.

mark81150

Um, no. Its not demagoguery to hold someone accountable to their own words. Keep in mind Santorum himself has said he would support states right to ban sodomy and contraceptives. That any doctor performing an abortion for any reason during any trimester should be arrested. For not supporting states rights in allowing gay marriage by calling for a constitutional amendment against it (which could screw over 12 state’s of their rights. His war on porn regardless of who sees it (compared to Romney wanting to keep porn away from kids). That even straight couples without kids should not be as privileged as those with kids. That gays being around kids “damages” them. No, its not demagoguery to call someone who has all these views a theocrat. Its just what he is.

Zaggs on March 20, 2012 at 12:41 PM

You know that Piers Morgan is a Catholic right – just like the Santorums.

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 11:44 AM

What does that have to do with anything? Is Harry Reid the equivalent of Mitt because he’s Mormon? I don’t think so.

This place is going downhill fast. (auto-reload doesn’t help either. lol)

Lightswitch on March 20, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Santorum continues to whine about how much he has been outspent. So what, what did he think he was doing – running for dog catcher? If he can’t raise enough $$ to compete in the primary, how in the world does he expect compete in the general with Obamas $1B? He and Gingrich just never think things through and work out the details of anything. Neither of them are ready for the Presidency. Go Mitt!!

lhuffman34 on March 20, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Um, no. Its not demagoguery to hold someone accountable to their own words.

Why thank you, Zaggs.

“Opportunity rises when children are raised in homes and schools that are free from pornography, promiscuity and drugs; in homes that are blessed with family values and the presence of a father and a mother.”

OMG! He wants to ban porn, and promiscuity!

At least Santorum doesn’t have both sides of every issue covered.

Lightswitch on March 20, 2012 at 1:00 PM

That was a Romney quote that I posted; which I agree with btw.

Lightswitch on March 20, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Four days before the primaries, ARG had Santorum 15 points off the lead, with Gingrich edging Romney 35/31 and Santorum at 20%. The day before the primary, PPP had Santorum trailing by six in third place.

That’s because they are polling only REPUBLICANS and these are open primary states and certain hardcore Democrat activists are intentionally voting for Santorum in order to get him nominated so Obama will be more easily re-elected.

If you poll only Republicans and just a couple thousand Democrats cast ballots, it screws up the polling. You can’t poll just Republicans in an open primary state.

crosspatch on March 20, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Ed Morrissey
Free predator!
PLEASE!

angrymike on March 20, 2012 at 1:20 PM

We need to win over the middle.

gerrym51 on March 20, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Yes, just like Presidents McCain and Dole won the middle by running to the left of their Democrat opponents.

angryed on March 20, 2012 at 1:21 PM

200 million dollars will put anyone 14 points in Illinois.

After this, the primaries are heading back south to Louisiana where he will lose.

Who cares? Look at the rest of the primary schedule. If you’re hoping you’ll have someone else to run against in November you’re whistling past the graveyard.

eyedoc on March 20, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Who cares? Look at the rest of the primary schedule. If you’re hoping you’ll have someone else to run against in November you’re whistling past the graveyard.

eyedoc on March 20, 2012 at 1:30 PM

I was on record saying Romney will be the nominee before the first vote was cast in Iowa.

His money advantage is gone come November.

Obama will match negative ads with negative ads. His carpet-bombing strategy will be put to a serious halt.

liberal4life on March 20, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Yes, just like Presidents McCain and Dole won the middle by running to the left of their Democrat opponents.

angryed on March 20, 2012 at 1:21 PM

That’s right, screw Reagan’s “big tent” ideology, and to hell with all this talking about the economy. We’ve totally lost sight of what this election is about guys, voting out Mitt Romney and banning pornography!

1984 in real life on March 20, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Yes, just like Presidents McCain and Dole won the middle by running to the left of their Democrat opponents.

Perot 96-Bush hatred 2008

gerrym51 on March 20, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Santorum continues to whine about how much he has been outspent. So what, what did he think he was doing – running for dog catcher? If he can’t raise enough $$ to compete in the primary, how in the world does he expect compete in the general with Obamas $1B? He and Gingrich just never think things through and work out the details of anything. Neither of them are ready for the Presidency. Go Mitt!!

Romney campaign last september-RICH

Romney campaign now-RICH

Santorum campaign last September-POOR

Santorum campaign now -Poor

gerrym51 on March 20, 2012 at 1:51 PM

I was on record saying Romney will be the nominee before the first vote was cast in Iowa.

Then your statement about Romney losing the Louisiana primary was meaningless.

eyedoc on March 20, 2012 at 1:52 PM

What does that have to do with anything? Is Harry Reid the equivalent of Mitt because he’s Mormon? I don’t think so.

This place is going downhill fast. (auto-reload doesn’t help either. lol)

Lightswitch on March 20, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Why didn’t you include the entire quote, what I was responding to? My point is that Piers Morgan has Catholicism in common with the Santorums. There is no reason to assume that Piers Morgan, doesn’t have a positive opinion of the Santorums. Selective editing to pat yourself on the back how quaint.

But I am disgusted by Piers Morgan, who should be fired for his involvement in the 9/11 victim phone tapping scandal, pretends to love her and Rick. He is a worthless SOB.

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2012 at 11:40 AM

You know that Piers Morgan is a Catholic right – just like the Santorums.

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Oh, well than that’s okay, Mitt will surely have 7 times more money to spend on a campaign than Obama…sheeesh, you pick up the peanut, and ignore the elephant…

right2bright on March 20, 2012 at 12:09 PM

And how many times the non existent amount of campaign money will Santorum have to spend on a campaign than Obama?

I am just pointing out who is ahead in money and delegates.

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 2:16 PM

PROUD TO SAY I VOTED FOR SANTORUM TODAY IN ILLINOIS!!!!

balkanmom on March 20, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Can we just not allow GOP primaries in states like IL, NY, MA, and CA?

Common Sense Floridian on March 20, 2012 at 11:11 AM

The problem is that delegate counts are based on total population but they should be based on the number of Republicans in each state.

Ronnie on March 20, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Well, from my vantage point, it is Rick Santorum who lacks a home state advantage.

Mr. Arkadin on March 20, 2012 at 11:55 AM

I think the Santorum argument has been about geography. I have been pointing out he’s running out of real estate (He’s running outside the bible belt now) Illinois is one of those blue states, that has been hit with high taxes, and high unemployment 9.4%. Their main concern is going to be their economy - that’s Romney real estate.

Dr Evil on March 20, 2012 at 2:24 PM

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