Actor Kirk Cameron defends his controversial comments about homosexuality

posted at 4:50 pm on March 20, 2012 by Tina Korbe

On “The Today Show” this morning, actor Kirk Cameron told host Ann Curry that he stands by his past controversial comments about homosexuality. Earlier this month, on “Piers Morgan Tonight,” Cameron said he does not support gay marriage and thinks that homosexuality is “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.”

In his conversation with Curry today, Cameron said it would have been more newsworthy if he had said otherwise — and he has a very valid point:

“I was surprised, frankly, that people were surprised by the things that I’ve said,” he told host Ann Curry. “I have been consistent for 15 years as a Christian. I’m a Bible-believing Christian. What I would have thought was more newsworthy is if I had said something that contradicted the word of God, if I had contradicted my faith.”

Curry asked the actor if he hated homosexuals.

“Absolutely not,” he said. “I love all people, I hate no one…When you take a subject and reduce it to something like a four-second soundbite and a check mark on a ballot, I think that that’s inappropriate and insensitive. To edit it down to that, it certainly didn’t reflect my full heart on the matter.”

When you think about his comments in that light, any outrage over them does seem hyper-sensitive and strange. “Noted Christian believes what Christianity teaches.” How shocking!

What’s sad, though, is that it is a surprise to many non-Christians when they hear a Christian stand up for controversial Christian doctrines because so few famous Christians do. When actress and Christian Kristen Chenoweth, for example, appeared on “Piers Morgan Tonight” in the fall, she presented quite a contrast to Kirk Cameron — and, as I recall, created no stir whatsoever by voicing her support for gay marriage.

It’s also interesting that so few people seem to remember a couple important people who theoretically still don’t support gay marriage.

A quick note on Cameron’s comment that homosexuality is “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization”: If you take that very literally, it’s actually pretty indisputable. The very first foundation of any civilization is existence itself. Human reproduction is necessary for human civilization. If our twenty-first century civilization consisted entirely of homosexuals who engaged only in homosexual behavior, civilization would rapidly cease to exist. From this literal perspective, homosexuality is no more destructive to civilization than contraception or abortion — but it is destructive. It serves no point to deny that.

Nor does it serve any point to deny what we all know from personal experience: Every single human being has certain destructive tendencies inside of him — the tendency to meanness, maybe, or to unkindness, to sloth, to gluttony, to thievery, to murder. What Christianity claims to offer or, more specifically, what Christ claimed to offer — and what many Christians joyfully attest to experiencing — is a grace-sustained way of overcoming those tendencies. In that offer is not condemnation, but an invitation to true freedom.

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That’s irrelevant, freedom has been constructive to society. Freedom from over zealous churches trying enforces their morality on the population and stifle free expression. Freedom from church or government intrusion into our bedrooms and personal lives. If you can’t learn to accept teh gayz then consider moving to Iran, dinner jacket told us they don’t have that problem there.

1984 in real life on March 20, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Can’t have it both ways.

Cameron claimed that homosexuality was destructive, and people get into a tizzy saying it isn’t.

I want those who claim it is not destructive society, to point out how homosexuality has been constructive to our society.

They can’t. Which is why people should not be labeling themselves as Gay/Straight, by thier Race, or other such nonsensical groups. It’s rubbish.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Explain to me how liberalism has been a net positive for society. Liberals are destroying society moreso than gays ever could and Christians don’t have a problem letting them get married.

1984 in real life on March 20, 2012 at 5:40 PM

When actress and Christian Kristen Chenoweth, for example, appeared on “Piers Morgan Tonight” in the fall, she presented quite a contrast to Kirk Cameron — and, as I recall, created no stir whatsoever by voicing her support for gay marriage.

The Lord Jesus predicted that there would be many fake Christians.

CINOs, if you will.

Only he knows for sure who is real & who is fake, but the New Testament does give much insight about evidence in such things.

itsnotaboutme on March 20, 2012 at 5:40 PM

You can ask Muslims about that. ;-)

gryphon202 on March 20, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Or the Spanish inquisition. Or George Tiller.

Or anyone else who has killed or attempted to kill others in the name of their faith throughout history.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:40 PM

@gryphon202 if moralitly is attributed solely to divine worship who come the majority of criminals claim a religion before they commit a crime?

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:40 PM

If God had intended us to fly, we’d have been designed with wings.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Then we’d be tempted to stare at each others’ undercarriage. IYKWIM.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Shorter lifespan, immense numbers of sexual partners, brevity of relationships (average 2-3 years), function as a disease vector. Homosexuality has a lot of attendant ills that aren’t conducive to a stable society. And it’s not that homosexuals are some evil force intent on destroying society. They’re not doing it on purpose, or anything like. The consequences are sadly unavoidable.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Those are all negatives, though they only apply to (a) a subset of the population of homosexuals (specifically, a subset of male homosexuals) and (b) those who engage in homosexual behavior themselves.

So presumably you’re okay with lesbians, because that stuff doesn’t apply to them. And presumably you think the same thing about smokers and obese people, because lots of stuff like that does apply to them. Do you believe that smoking and obesity are “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization?” Personally, I think that while there are negative effects associated with each of these things, none of them is destructive to the foundations of civilization.

tneloms on March 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Uh, no. If God told me to kill my children it is not possible for the act to be a sin.

“I’m Mohammed and I approve this message.”

Lothar on March 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM

PatientWolf on March 20, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Read on …

1Cr 6:11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

:-)

pambi on March 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Good Lt. sure does crawl out of the woodwork at any opportunity to bash believers. I have to wonder why some individuals have a need to try to ridicule others for their beliefs. I suspect it may be a way of assuaging their own doubts, rather than persuading anyone.

JannyMae on March 20, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Eh, cut him some slack. He’s evangelizing, just like we do. If you have what you believe to be the truth, you want to share it with other people.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Why do we care about what celebrities think, regardless of whether they agree with us?

MadisonConservative on March 20, 2012 at 5:24 PM

MadisonConservative:Lemme stab at dis,cause,some,not all
‘celebrities,think that there opinion
is very important,and has to be shared,
or,in some Lefty cases,rammed down ones
throat!!

canopfor on March 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM

If God made man in his own image, and if a bunch of men are gay, then…OH NO!

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Tell us how Homosexuality has been constructive and a net positive for civilization.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Is something either constructive and a net positive for a civilization or “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization?” Can’t it be neither?

tneloms on March 20, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Uh, no. If God told me to kill my children it is not possible for the act to be a sin.

What’s not possible is that He would tell you that in the first place.

pambi on March 20, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Uh, no. If God told me to kill my children it is not possible for the act to be a sin.

Yikes.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:42 PM

You think Good Lt. or did Gos design you without a brain?

EnochCain on March 20, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Then we’d be tempted to stare at each others’ undercarriage. IYKWIM.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Oh,hell yeah IKWYM.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:42 PM

God*

EnochCain on March 20, 2012 at 5:43 PM

homosexuality is “destructive”

Homosexuals have shorter life expectancy.

Homosexuals are more likely to commit domestic violence.

Homosexuals are more prone to injure themselves during sex.

Homosexuals are more likely to pass on STDs.

Homosexuals are more likely to need psychiatric care.

Homosexuals are more likely to become child molesters.

itsnotaboutme on March 20, 2012 at 5:43 PM

If God told you to enjoy killing your children, and you took no joy in butchering them, would that be a sin?

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Countries where homosexuality is illegal

Occupy this

Roy Rogers on March 20, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Sorry, I don’t understand what your point was there. I asked how Tina could claim that homosexuality was destructive to civilization based on what she had written (which was about reproduction). What were you getting at?

tneloms on March 20, 2012 at 5:43 PM

What’s your evidence?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Existence.

Indeed. Man’s law is far more just and sensible.

Only for someone who chooses to turn away from God. Like those awesome dudes Hitler, Stalin and Mao. If it weren’t for my belief in God I would just love those laws because they are just so awesome!

How would you know or not if God was telling you to kill somebody?

I don’t know. God hasn’t chosen to appear before me, so I have no idea what that would ultimately be like. I guess I would have to use free will and determine for myself whether or not God has commanded me to take some sort of action.

NotCoach on March 20, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Indeed, God told Abraham to sacrifice his only son Isaac. Abraham did as he was told, but God told him to stop before he could carry out the sacrifice. He then rewarded Abraham for his faith and spared him his son.

Bitter Clinger on March 20, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Didn’t quite end up as well for Jephthath’s daughter, though, did it?

JFS61 on March 20, 2012 at 5:44 PM

@gryphon202 if moralitly is attributed solely to divine worship who come the majority of criminals claim a religion before they commit a crime?

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Morality IS NOT solely attributed to divine worship. Nor is it solely attributed to religion, organized or otherwise. I made no such argument. What I said was that morality, a body of rules by which one strives to live, is not an innate human quality. And it’s not. Conscience, the fundamental knowledge of right and wrong, is. But it can be ignored. Those few people who function without conscience are generally the sort of people I would classify as “clinical sociopaths,” but they are a mercifully small percentage of the world’s population.

gryphon202 on March 20, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Hey, this works too!

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:37 PM

If our twenty-first century civilization consisted entirely of homosexuals bloggers who engaged only in homosexual blogging fallacies, civilization would rapidly cease to exist.

Ruh roh!

the_nile on March 20, 2012 at 5:44 PM

What’s not possible is that He would tell you that in the first place.

pambi on March 20, 2012 at 5:42 PM

What, he doesn’t do that anymore?

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Morality is innate.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Prove it.

JannyMae on March 20, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Homosexuals have shorter life expectancy.

Homosexuals are more likely to commit domestic violence.

Homosexuals are more prone to injure themselves during sex.

Homosexuals are more likely to pass on STDs.

Homosexuals are more likely to need psychiatric care.

Homosexuals are more likely to become child molesters.

itsnotaboutme on March 20, 2012 at 5:43 PM

*citations needed for all

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Ruh roh!

the_nile on March 20, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Good job at ending civilization! X(

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Those are all negatives, though they only apply to (a) a subset of the population of homosexuals (specifically, a subset of male homosexuals) and (b) those who engage in homosexual behavior themselves.

I went with what was on the top of my head. Glad we agree they’re negatives.

So presumably you’re okay with lesbians, because that stuff doesn’t apply to them.

No, those were just some of the negatives. Look at the statistics on domestic violence in lesbian relationships. It’s quite a bit higher than in heterosexual relationships. Also, the longevity of relationships just isn’t there, so again, instability.

And presumably you think the same thing about smokers and obese people, because lots of stuff like that does apply to them. Do you believe that smoking and obesity are “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization?” Personally, I think that while there are negative effects associated with each of these things, none of them is destructive to the foundations of civilization.

tneloms on March 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Yes, smoking and obesity are ills, but I would say more that self-destructive behavior and selfishness are destructive to the foundations of civilization. Civic-minded unselfishness is pretty foundational.

And just to be clear, I’m against ANY attempt to criminalize any of these behaviors. If people want to do this stuff, that’s their business, not mine.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? ~ Jerry Sandusky

They make great teachers and coaches!

Roy Rogers on March 20, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Prove it.

JannyMae on March 20, 2012 at 5:45 PM

We instinctively cringe at murder. We recognize without being decreed that killing others is not acceptable. Cultures older than Christianity knew and codified this.

Unless God instructs one to murder – then it’s OK, we’re told.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:47 PM

@PatientWolf you missed the second half of the question.

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:37 PM

The second half of your question concerned Jesus healing a sex slave is simply your assertion based Matthew 8:5-13. I’m not going to spend an hour on an internet forum debating the meaning of the Greek word “pais” with you. I, along with many Greek scholars, deny that it means a sex slave.

PatientWolf on March 20, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Didn’t quite end up as well for Jephthath’s daughter, though, did it?

JFS61 on March 20, 2012 at 5:44 PM

THAT’S THE OLD TESTAMENT!

OUT OF CONTEXT!

ETC.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Homosexuals have shorter life expectancy.

Homosexuals are more likely to commit domestic violence.

Homosexuals are more prone to injure themselves during sex.

Homosexuals are more likely to pass on STDs.

Homosexuals are more likely to need psychiatric care.

Homosexuals are more likely to become child molesters.

itsnotaboutme on March 20, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Facts to back these claims up?

oceansidecon on March 20, 2012 at 5:48 PM

The very first foundation of any civilization is existence itself. Human reproduction is necessary for human civilization.

Artificial insemination!

Is it ok to be gay now?

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 5:48 PM

We instinctively cringe at murder. We recognize without being decreed that killing others is not acceptable. Cultures older than Christianity knew and codified this.

Unless God instructs one to murder – then it’s OK, we’re told.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:47 PM

What you describe is conscience, not morality. If morality were innate, we’d all define murder the same the world over. As it is, we don’t. Unless you think Muslims know that suicide bombing is murder. They don’t see it that way.

gryphon202 on March 20, 2012 at 5:49 PM

From this literal perspective, homosexuality is no more destructive to civilization than contraception or abortion — but it is destructive. It serves no point to deny that.

False comparison.

Abortions don’t spring into existence and gay people don’t go down to the clinic and say “make me gay: because life is too easy”.

Lehosh on March 20, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Why are traditional Christian beliefs always (in recent times) labeled “controversial”?

Cameron did not say anything “controversial”.

Pork-Chop on March 20, 2012 at 5:49 PM

The second half of your question concerned Jesus healing a sex slave is simply your assertion based Matthew 8:5-13. I’m not going to spend an hour on an internet forum debating the meaning of the Greek word “pais” with you. I, along with many Greek scholars, deny that it means a sex slave.

PatientWolf on March 20, 2012 at 5:48 PM

So case closed, because you and Greek academics don’t accept it.

Funny how academics and scholars are suddenly treated with implicit trust and blind faith when it comes to certain topics, isn’t it?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Earlier this month, on “Piers Morgan Tonight,” Cameron said he does not support gay marriage and thinks that homosexuality is “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.”
He’s right.

Can anyone prove how Homosexuality has been constructive to civilization????

Come on. Point out how Homosexuality has been constructive to civilization.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM

…*whispers*…(because look what’s happening to Cameron by the LSM who can’t seem to bend him over far enough)…DITTO!

KOOLAID2 on March 20, 2012 at 5:50 PM

from Saul Alinsky for Dummies:

Any speech not supporting gay marriage, gay rights or gay anything is hate speech.

The President and First Lady do not support gay marriage, therefore they are homophobic hate-mongers.

Bruno Strozek on March 20, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Start here. Good rundown on the literature, although not exhaustive.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Christian disapproval of homosexuality is only controversial because homosexual activists insist on making such a horrible screech about it, and because their absolute demand for tolerance approval fits right along with the worship of Aphrodite in Hollywood and New York media elites.

Confutus on March 20, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Unless you think Muslims know that suicide bombing is murder. They don’t see it that way.

gryphon202 on March 20, 2012 at 5:49 PM

They simply are doing what they feel is the will of God.

God is telling them to do it.

Who are you to tell them their god is wrong?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Why are traditional Christian beliefs always (in recent times) labeled “controversial”?

Cameron did not say anything “controversial”.

Pork-Chop on March 20, 2012 at 5:49 PM

BECAUSE MOST HOMOSEXUALS ARE LITTLE BABIES AND VICTIMS AND CANNOT TOLERATE OTHER PEOPLE HAVING DIFFERNET OPINIONS, VALUES, AND BELIEFS.

GhoulAid on March 20, 2012 at 5:51 PM

You secular humanists will have your utopian hell on earth soon enough. I hope you enjoy every miserable minute.

tom daschle concerned on March 20, 2012 at 5:51 PM

The very first foundation of any civilization is existence itself. Human reproduction is necessary for human civilization.

So we should force people to procreate? If not, who cares who are they are dorking? And in what manner?

Nor does it serve any point to deny what we all know from personal experience: Every single human being has certain destructive tendencies inside of him — the tendency to meanness, maybe, or to unkindness, to sloth, to gluttony, to thievery, to murder. What Christianity claims to offer or, more specifically, what Christ claimed to offer — and what many Christians joyfully attest to experiencing — is a grace-sustained way of overcoming those tendencies. In that offer is not condemnation, but an invitation to true freedom.

McDonald’s stopped selling McGriddles at midnight; and I felt a sudden urge to murder the employees there. But then I remembered Jesus would be upset, so I didn’t. Thank ya, Jesus!

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Do not bother giving links to people who care nothing about other views.

EnochCain on March 20, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Still reading comments, but some have asked why anyone is talking to Kirk, to begin with : https://www.facebook.com/monumentalmovie

On F&F this morning, he didn’t have to go on and on in his defense of his gay stance, and we actually heard about this latest project.
Sounds really interesting to me.

pambi on March 20, 2012 at 5:52 PM

@RationalIcthus heterosexuals have a higher rate of child abusers and pedophiles ERGO heterosexuals are not safe to be around children, ERGO HUMANS SHOULD STOP HAVING CHILDREN! Eureka!!

Drug rates and abuse rates are directly attributable to the societal pressure on a minority. Not the other way around.

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Don’t know if I agree, Zeke. First off, there aren’t nearly enough homosexual parents to make a statistical comparison for issues like psychological abuse or neglect, so let’s set those aside and look at child sexual abuse. For every 20 girls abused by a man in the US, there are 150 boys abused by a man. That’s a significant difference, and don’t bother with the canard about how sexual predation on children shouldn’t consider gender.

RationalIcthus on March 20, 2012 at 5:52 PM

BECAUSE MOST HOMOSEXUALS ARE LITTLE BABIES AND VICTIMS AND CANNOT TOLERATE OTHER PEOPLE HAVING DIFFERNET OPINIONS, VALUES, AND BELIEFS.

GhoulAid on March 20, 2012 at 5:51 PM

This is more because they tend to be liberal. This trait is common in heterosexual liberals as well. And many social cons, judging from this thread.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Curry asked the actor if he hated homosexuals.

Based on that question alone, a disgusting woman.

Paul-Cincy on March 20, 2012 at 5:53 PM

You secular humanists will have your utopian hell on earth soon enough. I hope you enjoy every miserable minute.

tom daschle concerned on March 20, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Jeez, chill dude.

btw, what is “utopian hell”?

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 5:53 PM

They simply are doing what they feel is the will of God.

God is telling them to do it.

Who are you to tell them their god is wrong?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:50 PM

They can exercise free will all day long. I have a right to defend myself, as does the country I claim citizenship in. But aside from that, you’re beating the shit out of that straw man. I’m not commenting on the validity of any particular religion’s or person’s morality. I am merely stating what I think should be self-evident, namely that morality is not an inherent human trait — conscience is. And there is a difference between those two concepts.

gryphon202 on March 20, 2012 at 5:53 PM

I thinks the last Kirk Cameron thread went on for dayyyssss….. it was like Wimbledon or something.

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Yes, smoking and obesity are ills, but I would say more that self-destructive behavior and selfishness are destructive to the foundations of civilization. Civic-minded unselfishness is pretty foundational.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:45 PM

If someone were claiming that unsafe sex and other self-destructive behaviors were destructive, I wouldn’t have any problem with it. I also have no problem with pointing out that these behaviors are more common in subsets of the homosexual population. But that’s different than saying that homosexuality is destructive to civilization. Somehow I don’t think that Kirk Cameron and Tina are totally fine with monogamous, child-rearing homosexuals.

tneloms on March 20, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Prove it.

JannyMae on March 20, 2012 at 5:45 PM

We instinctively cringe at murder. We recognize without being decreed that killing others is not acceptable. Cultures older than Christianity knew and codified.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:47 PM

This is not proof that morality is innate and not learned.

Epic fail.

JannyMae on March 20, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Bible bangers is nutty.

KeninC_ _T on March 20, 2012 at 5:02 PM

…waiting for the expert…and that’s all you can say?

KOOLAID2 on March 20, 2012 at 5:55 PM

@RationalIcthus heterosexuals have a higher rate of child abusers and pedophiles ERGO heterosexuals are not safe to be around children, ERGO HUMANS SHOULD STOP HAVING CHILDREN! Eureka!!

Drug rates and abuse rates are directly attributable to the societal pressure on a minority. Not the other way around.

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Also, drug & abuse rates could be a function of the homosexual community’s willingness to abandon societal norms.

RationalIcthus on March 20, 2012 at 5:55 PM

btw, what is “utopian hell”?

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 5:53 PM

isn’t that the reality of an Obama 2nd term, when it falls apart worse than the 1st one?

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:55 PM

isn’t that the reality of an Obama 2nd term, when it falls apart worse than the 1st one?

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:55 PM

I think that’s “dystopia”. :)

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 5:56 PM

This is more because they tend to be liberal. This trait is common in heterosexual liberals as well. And many social cons, judging from this thread.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:53 PM

i disagree. gays have to be babied at all costs. you have all these celebrities and sports teams and athletes telling them that “it gets bettwer”. i am waiting for them to do a video that tells them to grow a sack and take a self defense class and the next time someone “bullies” them, haul off and beat the living s__t out of them. but that will never happen because gays are such fragile, weak human beings who crave the chance to cry and squeal about how mean everyone else is. and i’m frankly tired of it.

GhoulAid on March 20, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Ken, shut up dude…nobody on either side cares what you think.

EnochCain on March 20, 2012 at 5:57 PM

The Lord Jesus predicted that there would be many fake Christians.

CINOs, if you will.

Only he knows for sure who is real & who is fake, but the New Testament does give much insight about evidence in such things.

itsnotaboutme on March 20, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Indeed. Some of the teachings of various churches today clue us into that.

Bitter Clinger on March 20, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Ring a bell for the homophobes, and here they come…

Here, Tina hides behind that same lame ‘as a Christian, I an loving to all’ b.s. – and then goes on to include being gay alongside “the tendency to meanness, maybe, or to unkindness, to sloth, to gluttony, to thievery, to murder.”

Jesus’ message was lost on her…

verbaluce on March 20, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Here’s the irony, no where in the bible does it say being homosexual is a sin…
Yeah, all the links will be thrown at me…but none of them will say that being homosexual is a sin, anymore than lusting after a car is a sin.
The act is a sin…but not the “being”…and that drives most Christian’s crazy.

right2bright on March 20, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Hate the sin, love the sinner would mean nothing to you, so I won’t bother to expound.

Kelligan on March 20, 2012 at 5:59 PM

but that will never happen because gays are such fragile, weak human beings who crave the chance to cry and squeal about how mean everyone else is. and i’m frankly tired of it.

GhoulAid on March 20, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Did uncle Jerry, uh, make you do things?

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs) have been increasing among gay and bisexual men. Recent increases in syphilis cases have been documented across the country. In 2008, men who have sex with men (MSM) accounted for 63% of primary and secondary syphilis cases in the United States. MSM often are diagnosed with other bacterial STDs, including chlamydia and gonorrhea infections.

Gay and bisexual men can be infected with HPV (Human Papillomavirus), the most common STD in the United States. Some types of HPV cause genital and anal warts and some can lead to the development of anal and oral cancer. Men who have sex with men are 17 times more likely to develop anal cancer than heterosexual men. Men who are HIV-positive are even more likely than those who are uninfected to develop anal cancer. See Primary and Secondary Syphilis—Reported Cases, 2008, by Sexual Orientation.

Link

JannyMae on March 20, 2012 at 6:00 PM

If God made man in his own image, and if a bunch of men are gay, then…OH NO!

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM

LOL

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 6:00 PM

but that will never happen because gays are such fragile, weak human beings who crave the chance to cry and squeal about how mean everyone else is. and i’m frankly tired of it.

GhoulAid on March 20, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Oh please. This is such a stereotype. Sure, the gays you see on TV are like this. I’m of the mind that most of the gay people you see on TV (and in the gay parades, etc) do a real dis-service to the “gay community” as a whole.

Most are simply normal people who want to dork people of their own sex.

I had a gay employee for years and he was never like this. He and his partner were both completely normal people. Never once, in the real world, have I met a gay person who fit this mold.

Don’t engage in a cum hoc fallacy here. People go crazy in their own ways. Their sexual orientation isn’t the cause of it.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Plus, the chafing. Oh lord the chafing.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:03 PM
You mean from Fluking?

the_nile on March 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

..OK!…which one of yous is gonna clean the coffee offa my screen?

KOOLAID2 on March 20, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Is Hot Air espousing Fundamentalist Anti-homosexuality views now?

contrarytopopularbelief on March 20, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Start here. Good rundown on the literature, although not exhaustive.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Like any good scholar, let’s start by considering the source.

What is Dr. Daily’s area of expertise? Sociology? Psychology? Medicine?

Let’s see…

PhD, Religion, Marquette University
MA, Theological Studies, Wheaton College
BA, Bible/Theology, Moody Bible Institute

Oh. Bible studies, religion and theology. Yes, imminently qualified to string together a collection of cherry-picked and of out-date data points from a combination of both legitimate and other dubious literature to ‘prove’ a conclusion he had reached at the outset.

The most recent data from those cited sources stop in…1996. Almost 20 years ago.

You might want to find something a little more objective, updated authoritative, scientific and peer-reviewed if you want to support your myriad of unverifiable claims.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 6:02 PM

If nothing else it pushes important body parts past their design limits.

Wander on March 20, 2012 at 6:03 PM

So case closed, because you and Greek academics don’t accept it.

Funny how academics and scholars are suddenly treated with implicit trust and blind faith when it comes to certain topics, isn’t it?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:49 PM

How then do you recommend we determine the meanings of words? I guess I should simply accept whatever definition that you care to apply to any words you dispute?

Secondly this is an ad hominem argument because you do not know me, my educational history, or what research I have done to determine the merit of these sources. You merely assert, without evidence, that I accept these Greek academics and scholars with blind trust and faith and imply that I unjustly reject other scholars when dealing with other topics.

Furthermore, you resort to a straw man in asserting that I claimed the case was closed. What I actually said was that the meaning of the word is disputed and that I wasn’t going to argue that point in a forum such as this.

For all your hollering earlier about logical fallacies you sure do enjoy using them.

PatientWolf on March 20, 2012 at 6:04 PM

We instinctively cringe at murder worship some sort of deity. We recognize without being decreed that killing others is not acceptable worshiping some sort of deity is only natural, and essential to wholeness. Cultures older than Christianity knew and codified this.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Maybe Isaac was gay, and that’s why God told Abraham to kill him?

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 6:04 PM

If nothing else it pushes important body parts past their design limits.

Wander on March 20, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Well, for the men, anyway.

Count to 10 on March 20, 2012 at 6:07 PM

You can argue about whether the Bible’s stance on homosexual conduct is right, but you cannot argue about what that stance is. It is not up for rational debate, because it is absolutely unequivocal and clear.  Among all the books of the Bible, Romans and Leviticus contain the most obvious and in-depth treatment of the topic, although they are not the only ones.

Some denominations claim that Cameron’s stance is not in keeping with their understanding of the proper postmodern Christian attitude toward homosexuals. They’re entitled to believe what they want, just as they’re entitled to believe that gravity is an outmoded concept. If they step off the top of a 30-story building, their sincerely held beliefs will encounter reality.  The same goes for people who deny the validity of clearly-explained principles found in the Bible; when they step into eternity, they’ll encounter reality.

Cameron’s stance might be many things.  It might be politically incorrect, annoying, inconvenient, and controversial.  It might even be wrong (although I’m convinced it’s not).  The one thing you cannot legitimately call his stance on homosexual conduct is un-Biblical. The text is crystal clear.

OhioCoastie on March 20, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs) have been increasing among gay and bisexual men. Recent increases in syphilis cases have been documented across the country. In 2008, men who have sex with men (MSM) accounted for 63% of primary and secondary syphilis cases in the United States. MSM often are diagnosed with other bacterial STDs, including chlamydia and gonorrhea infections.

Gay and bisexual men can be infected with HPV (Human Papillomavirus), the most common STD in the United States. Some types of HPV cause genital and anal warts and some can lead to the development of anal and oral cancer. Men who have sex with men are 17 times more likely to develop anal cancer than heterosexual men. Men who are HIV-positive are even more likely than those who are uninfected to develop anal cancer. See Primary and Secondary Syphilis—Reported Cases, 2008, by Sexual Orientation.

Link

JannyMae on March 20, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Unless gay men are lining up to have lots of unprotected sex with you, I think you’re in the clear. Don’t let that get in the way of your fear mongering though.

Hey, isn’t this the same line of BS they try to feed us about second hand smoke being “more dangerous than cigarettes”?

1984 in real life on March 20, 2012 at 6:08 PM

What’s sad, though, is that it is a surprise to many non-Christians when they hear a Christian stand up for controversial Christian doctrines because so few famous Christians do.

Sad to this Catholic thatpolls show that 55% of the Catholic sheep in Ct intend to vote again for Obama. They must have believed that priest that came around the parishes for a decade or so, saying “we’re all going to heaven” and the hierarchy is “old Church”, but th guitar music and yoga type event was memorable…groan!

Good thing Satan and Hades don’t exist in the “new church” or they might be in big trouble…

Where were the shepherds?

Don L on March 20, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Cameron’s stance might be many things. It might be politically incorrect, annoying, inconvenient, and controversial. It might even be wrong (although I’m convinced it’s not). The one thing you cannot legitimately call his stance on homosexual conduct is un-Biblical. The text is crystal clear.

OhioCoastie on March 20, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Nobody’s arguing his stance isn’t Biblical.

We’re arguing that it’s as misguided as his belief in the 6000-year-old-snap-magic creation myth.

Keep up.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Don’t engage in a cum hoc fallacy here. People go crazy in their own ways. Their sexual orientation isn’t the cause of it.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 6:01 PM

True.
It’s more of a symptom than a cause.

Count to 10 on March 20, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Most are simply normal people who want to dork people of their own sex. lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 6:01 PM

yeah, and after that they love to mock republicans, Jesus, catholics, and anything else religious/conservative that people hold dear and gives them comfort. i think i have been around more gays then you and your one employee that was “normal”. trust me, it’s all about sex and socialism with most gays. i have seen it, experienced the ugly side of it when i was “exposed” as not being a brain dead gay liberal progressive zombie. so don’t you tell me to cut these pigs any kind of slack.

GhoulAid on March 20, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Oh. Bible studies, religion and theology. Yes, imminently qualified to string together a collection of cherry-picked and of out-date data points from a combination of both legitimate and other dubious literature to ‘prove’ a conclusion he had reached at the outset.

Yes, only non-Christians can compile scientific studies. Good to know.

The most recent data from those cited sources stop in…1996. Almost 20 years ago.

Talk to thuja about the folks who came to her homosexual-friendly synagogue shopping for gay couples to use as research subjects. They were assured the results would be “positive.” Cultural Marxism has been at work in the recent literature, and that’s been demonstrated on more than one occasion.

You might want to find something a little more objective, updated authoritative, scientific and peer-reviewed if you want to support your myriad of unverifiable claims.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 6:02 PM

No can haz Darwin?

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 6:10 PM

yeah, and after that they love to mock republicans, Jesus, catholics, and anything else religious/conservative that people hold dear and gives them comfort. i think i have been around more gays then you and your one employee that was “normal”. trust me, it’s all about sex and socialism with most gays. i have seen it, experienced the ugly side of it when i was “exposed” as not being a brain dead gay liberal progressive zombie. so don’t you tell me to cut these pigs any kind of slack.

GhoulAid on March 20, 2012 at 6:10 PM

The plural of anecdote is not data.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Sweeping generalizations about sub-sects of people are cool because brooms are neat and handy to have around the house.

Jeddite on March 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM

If God made man in his own image, and if a bunch of men are gay, then…OH NO!

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM

All sin is a delusion .. gays are NOT made in His image .. that’s another delusion.

Maybe Isaac was gay, and that’s why God told Abraham to kill him?

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Um, Eddie, the Isaac request was to symbolize the sacrifice of God’s own Son. Don’t expect you to grasp that, but, hey.

pambi on March 20, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Curry asked the actor if he hated homosexuals.

I personally don’t care about gay marriage…marry, don’t, doesn’t bother me either way. But, I never assume that people that want to keep marriage defined as strictly between a man and a woman somehow “hate” gay people. It’s an absurd question to even ask.

changer1701 on March 20, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Unless gay men are lining up to have lots of unprotected sex with you, I think you’re in the clear. Don’t let that get in the way of your fear mongering though.

Hey, isn’t this the same line of BS they try to feed us about second hand smoke being “more dangerous than cigarettes”?

1984 in real life on March 20, 2012 at 6:08 PM

1984, I think you’re missing the point. The actions of one section of the community do have an impact on the rest of us. A significant increase in STD rates in the homosexual community will eventually transfer itself over into the hetero community via drug users.

I should be careful to say that part of the blame will lie with the part of society that does illegal drugs, but that doesn’t absolve the gay community of any responsibility.

RationalIcthus on March 20, 2012 at 6:13 PM

A quick note on Cameron’s comment that homosexuality is “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization”: If you take that very literally, it’s actually pretty indisputable. The very first foundation of any civilization is existence itself. Human reproduction is necessary for human civilization. If our twenty-first century civilization consisted entirely of homosexuals who engaged only in homosexual behavior, civilization would rapidly cease to exist.

-Tina Korbe, Rick Santorum-supporting HotAir.com blogger

Ugh, this is the level of “conservative” commentary we get on this site?

This kind of embarrassing material from Rick Santorum-supporter Tina Korbe is so bad it almost isn’t even worth responding to.

The truth is that there have always been homosexuals and there always will be. Homosexuality is part of the human existence.

It’s hilarious that Kirk Cameron and his apologists pretend to be surprised that calling a significant segment of the population “destructive to the foundations of civilation” would create any kind of backlash. To them, someone is “hyper-sensitive” to resent being called a threat to human existence.

bluegill on March 20, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Then we’d be tempted to stare at each others’ undercarriage. IYKWIM.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:40 PM

You made me laugh long time. A few years ago a female co worker was walking down the stairs on the opposite side we usually do. I had known her for over twenty five years. I asked why she was on the wrong side. She replied so guys couldn’t look up her dress. Lets just say the time for that was waaay past anyone wanting to.

arnold ziffel on March 20, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Yes, only non-Christians can compile scientific studies.

Where was that published? In an established peer-reviewed journal of some kind?

Nature? Biology?

Cite it for us. There was nothing ‘scientific’ about it.

Talk to thuja about the folks who came to her homosexual-friendly synagogue shopping for gay couples to use as research subjects. They were assured the results would be “positive.” Cultural Marxism has been at work in the recent literature, and that’s been demonstrated on more than one occasion.

So because the author couldn’t (or wouldn’t) cite more updated, peer-reviewed statistics and in a more comprehensive fashion, that’s just the fault of cultural Marxism or something.

No can haz Darwin?

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Yes, Darwin’s work hasn’t been tested, verified, followed-up on, never appeared in scientific literature, has no evidence to support it, etc.

LOL

Maybe I should just ask the guy with the Bible/theology degree what happened. Then we’d really know.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Threads ie this are so damaging to the republican brand and are just divisive. Issues like homosexuality are losers for us in elections and this thread proves it. The GOP needs to get off the evangelical crazy train and stick to economics and small government.

1984 in real life on March 20, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Christians are very judgmental.

I can’t help but notice that people who are not Christians are even more judgmental.

Seems to me to be a lose-lose situation (and none of it fits with ‘the word’)
Stop judging people for who they love, for flip’s sake. I’m thinking the greater commandment was to love one another.
I wish the ‘Christians’ really were that.

bridgetown on March 20, 2012 at 6:16 PM

i have seen it, experienced the ugly side of it when i was “exposed” as not being a brain dead gay liberal progressive zombie. so don’t you tell me to cut these pigs any kind of slack.

GhoulAid on March 20, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Mike Adams has gotten death threats for his objections to homosexuality. Nobody should ever feel too threatened to discuss this stuff with candor.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 6:17 PM

If God made man in his own image, and if a bunch of men are gay, then…OH NO!

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM

All sin is a delusion .. gays are NOT made in His image .. that’s another delusion.

pambi on March 20, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Eh, you’re delusional.

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Christians are very judgmental.

I can’t help but notice that people who are not Christians are even more judgmental.

You mean the ones defending homosexuals from the same age-old attacks from the religious? Or those without faith who are defending homosexuals from the same time-worn attacks of the religious?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Oh, dear. I thought Kirk was one of the better actors on that horrid show. I knew he was a Christian, but it is a shame to find out that he has such views about sexual orientation. Yet another actor I won’t be able to look at the same way now that he has decided to go public with his views

McDuck on March 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM

There’s no shame in questioning the conventional wisdom about homosexuality. So much that is commonly believed is clearly without proof, such as the claim that it is inborn and genetic rather than learned behavior.

Yes, liberals would like to make all of society line up to shame those who don’t agree with them. That’s why they invented the word, homophobe.

tom on March 20, 2012 at 6:20 PM

It would be difficult to dislike Cameron.

Kevin M on March 20, 2012 at 6:20 PM

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