Actor Kirk Cameron defends his controversial comments about homosexuality

posted at 4:50 pm on March 20, 2012 by Tina Korbe

On “The Today Show” this morning, actor Kirk Cameron told host Ann Curry that he stands by his past controversial comments about homosexuality. Earlier this month, on “Piers Morgan Tonight,” Cameron said he does not support gay marriage and thinks that homosexuality is “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.”

In his conversation with Curry today, Cameron said it would have been more newsworthy if he had said otherwise — and he has a very valid point:

“I was surprised, frankly, that people were surprised by the things that I’ve said,” he told host Ann Curry. “I have been consistent for 15 years as a Christian. I’m a Bible-believing Christian. What I would have thought was more newsworthy is if I had said something that contradicted the word of God, if I had contradicted my faith.”

Curry asked the actor if he hated homosexuals.

“Absolutely not,” he said. “I love all people, I hate no one…When you take a subject and reduce it to something like a four-second soundbite and a check mark on a ballot, I think that that’s inappropriate and insensitive. To edit it down to that, it certainly didn’t reflect my full heart on the matter.”

When you think about his comments in that light, any outrage over them does seem hyper-sensitive and strange. “Noted Christian believes what Christianity teaches.” How shocking!

What’s sad, though, is that it is a surprise to many non-Christians when they hear a Christian stand up for controversial Christian doctrines because so few famous Christians do. When actress and Christian Kristen Chenoweth, for example, appeared on “Piers Morgan Tonight” in the fall, she presented quite a contrast to Kirk Cameron — and, as I recall, created no stir whatsoever by voicing her support for gay marriage.

It’s also interesting that so few people seem to remember a couple important people who theoretically still don’t support gay marriage.

A quick note on Cameron’s comment that homosexuality is “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization”: If you take that very literally, it’s actually pretty indisputable. The very first foundation of any civilization is existence itself. Human reproduction is necessary for human civilization. If our twenty-first century civilization consisted entirely of homosexuals who engaged only in homosexual behavior, civilization would rapidly cease to exist. From this literal perspective, homosexuality is no more destructive to civilization than contraception or abortion — but it is destructive. It serves no point to deny that.

Nor does it serve any point to deny what we all know from personal experience: Every single human being has certain destructive tendencies inside of him — the tendency to meanness, maybe, or to unkindness, to sloth, to gluttony, to thievery, to murder. What Christianity claims to offer or, more specifically, what Christ claimed to offer — and what many Christians joyfully attest to experiencing — is a grace-sustained way of overcoming those tendencies. In that offer is not condemnation, but an invitation to true freedom.

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Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:12 PM

It’s not about a religion, a tradition, a viewpoint—its about a relationship with God. Its tough to grasp unless you’re really ready and most people eventually get to some point in their lives where they are driven to their knees and God is all that they have left. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that point, but it is not something that is easily dismissed nor easily explained until you are right there in the middle of it. For me, it was war–like a real war–Iraq.

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Hence my belief that god is a flawed concept.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Therein lies the wonder of God. You have free-will to reject Him as a “flawed concept”. Although, when your time on this earth is over, there is a price to be paid for that rejection. I will pray that you find the path to Him before that day arrives.

Bitter Clinger on March 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:16 PM

You should take a look at C.S. Lewis’s argument from desire. Here’s Peter Kreeft’s take on it.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM

I made the point when you distill the current research in neuroscience down to its essence it sounds silly also.

Not really if one rejects the assumption that natural forces must be set in motion by supernatural puppeteers.

If your thoughts are based on the emergent properties of matter, in this case the brain, that were caused by random collisions of electrons in the far past then what you are thinking now is a result of those random collisions and what others are thinking are a result of random collisions. Nothing to argue about since each of our brain chemistry’s are responsible for our thoughts. So once again why ridicule people because they think differently than you.

chemman on March 20, 2012 at 5:16 PM

So do you believe the Earth was created 6,000 years ago by magic, too?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Tina, you do realize that you’re not at bible camp anymore, don’t you?

JFS61 on March 20, 2012 at 5:19 PM

@PatientWolf quick question. Why is Paul an Apostle? weren’t the apostles the disciples that walked with Jesus?

Why does Paul’s words count for more then Jesus’s teachings? where was Paul when Jesus healed the Centurions sex slave?

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Earlier this month, on “Piers Morgan Tonight,” Cameron said he does not support gay marriage and thinks that homosexuality is “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.”

He’s right.

Can anyone prove how Homosexuality has been constructive to civilization????

Come on. Point out how Homosexuality has been constructive to civilization.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM

If our twenty-first century civilization consisted entirely of homosexuals who engaged only in homosexual behavior, civilization would rapidly cease to exist.

Tina, are you somehow unaware of artificial insemination and surrogacy? I don’t see how you can claim that “homosexuality is destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization” based on what you’ve written.

tneloms on March 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Is slavery a sin?

Is the stoning of disobedient children?

How about mixing fabrics?

How about killing your own son if God tells you to to prove your faith to him?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Have you read the New Testament?
Were these Jesus’ commands?

evergreenland on March 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM

You should take a look at C.S. Lewis’s argument from desire. Here’s Peter Kreeft’s take on it.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Again, that’s an apologia derived from an assumption of a supernatural being (which has no evidence supporting it).

It’s not evidence. It’s faith.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM

I’ll never forget that video of Cameron trying to argue that the banana is the best evidence for intelligent design because it’s clearly been “engineered” to fit perfectly into a human hand. Ignoring completely the centuries of domestication and cross breeding done by farmers and the fact that wild bananas look nothing like the ones you buy at a store. Nobody should take this guy seriously, he makes all Christians look bad.

Hilarious irony: Obama agrees with you about teh gays, Kirk!

1984 in real life on March 20, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Have you read the New Testament?
Were these Jesus’ commands?

evergreenland on March 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Wait – do you follow the 10 Commandments?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:21 PM

How about killing your own son if God tells you to to prove your faith to him?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Uh, no. If God told me to kill my children it is not possible for the act to be a sin.

NotCoach on March 20, 2012 at 5:21 PM

It’s not about a religion, a tradition, a viewpoint—its about a relationship with God. Its tough to grasp unless you’re really ready and most people eventually get to some point in their lives where they are driven to their knees and God is all that they have left. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that point, but it is not something that is easily dismissed nor easily explained until you are right there in the middle of it. For me, it was war–like a real war–Iraq.

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM

It’s interesting that you would say that about the Iraq War. I was an agnostic because of my issues with the problem of evil, but once I recognized the dependence of my objections on a concept of morality, I was ready to give Christianity a chance.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:21 PM

So many conservatives here that do not seem so conservative…other than the economy they are liberals.

EnochCain on March 20, 2012 at 5:21 PM

When actress and Christian Kristen Chenoweth

The same Kristen Chenoweth who plays the lead in GCB (Good Christian B**ches)? The new ABC series that mocks Christianity? That Kristen Chenoweth? Who would be surprised that she supports gay marriage?

Dee2008 on March 20, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Just as plausible as it was created 6 Trillion years ago and we crawled out of the slime from a big bang of goo…

kirkill on March 20, 2012 at 5:22 PM

I don’t see how you can claim that “homosexuality is destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization” based on what you’ve written.

tneloms on March 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Tell us how Homosexuality has been constructive and a net positive for civilization.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Honest question – Why is anyone talking to Kirk Cameron about anything? Is he somebody? How is he pop-culturally relevant to my generation, or generally newsworthy?

Dead Hand Control on March 20, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Well, Cameron/homosexuality is a bid for ratings…

and if the network weren’t covering this, they might then have to cover Obama’s failed economy, the price of gas, Obama’s unemployment numbers, Obama’s facilitating the Muslim Brotherhood’s takeover of the Middle East, ‘Fast and Furious’, the DOJ’s hyper-partisan hiring practices, Obama’s existential debt crisis, etc., etc., etc., etc.,….

shinty on March 20, 2012 at 5:23 PM

I don’t see how you can claim that “homosexuality is destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization” based on what you’ve written.

tneloms on March 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Countries where homosexuality is illegal

Occupy this

Roy Rogers on March 20, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Again, that’s an apologia derived from an assumption of a supernatural being (which has no evidence supporting it).

It’s not evidence. It’s faith.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM

No, it’s derived from the observation that every fundamental desire has a real object. The prevalence of a desire to believe in God–cf. Augustine–indicates that there is a real object of that desire. It’s extrapolation, not assumption.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:23 PM

I know plenty of gays…gay marriage never made sense to me…not exactly the faithful types.

EnochCain on March 20, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Come on. Point out how Homosexuality has been constructive to civilization.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM

It pisses off Muslims.

MadisonConservative on March 20, 2012 at 5:24 PM

@portlandon you’re typing on a computer aren’t you?

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:24 PM

HotAir should switch to a blog format. I wish I could read AP without having to stumble across tripe like this.

ggoofer on March 20, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:19 PM

dude. Look at your laptop/iPad. Designed, created, engineered, tested, created for a purpose–one thing–nothing else. Look around you, there are scores of similar examples, yet, with the amazing complexity of the fingers with which you type, you think that those came about by accident? If so, what evidence exists that that process continues to occur or ever occurred in the first place? It simply isn’t there. I am a scientist, I have a PhD, that is fallacious thinking to presume a process occurred, merely because you see an end product.

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Why do we care about what celebrities think, regardless of whether they agree with us?

MadisonConservative on March 20, 2012 at 5:24 PM

So many conservatives here that do not seem so conservative…other than the economy they are liberals.

EnochCain on March 20, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Meh. American conservatism isn’t synonymous with Christianity, although the relationship between the two is sometimes downplayed.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:25 PM

How about killing your own son if God tells you to to prove your faith to him?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Uh, no. If God told me to kill my children it is not possible for the act to be a sin.

NotCoach on March 20, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Indeed, God told Abraham to sacrifice his only son Isaac. Abraham did as he was told, but God told him to stop before he could carry out the sacrifice. He then rewarded Abraham for his faith and spared him his son.

Bitter Clinger on March 20, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Tell us how Homosexuality has been constructive and a net positive for civilization.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Have you seen “Say Yes to the Dress!” on TLC…../

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:25 PM

@Nom de Boom extrapolations are assumptions, just ask anyone that’s ever run a weather simulator

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM

“overcoming those tendencies”, Exacto-mundo, To he who overcomes what is the reward? It is stated over and over again in the Bible. Once one comes of age and in the process of self discovery, we see that which we must master, it is the corporeal self. I get all goose bumps just thinking about how profound that is and who it was that spoke about it a couple millenia ago.

jake49 on March 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM

If God told me to kill my children it is not possible for the act to be a sin.

NotCoach on March 20, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Proving Hitchens right that faith makes normally decent people say and do horrendous and wicked things.

How would you know if God was telling you to do it or not? What’s your indication that it’s not just you being psychopathic?

This is what you get with morality-as-commandment-from-supernatural-skybeing. Literally, anything goes: child murder, suicide bombing, you name it.

Fail.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM

A sin is a sin. God makes no distinction. So yes, in that context they are all equal. A liar is just as guilty as a murderer.

Kelligan on March 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Yes, and they are ALL forgivable.
To suggest otherwise crucifies again and again, when the Sacrifice WAS sufficient.

pambi on March 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Christians aren’t allowed to believe what their faith teaches. Of course Buddhists, Hindus, Daoists, Muslims etc etc etc can do and say whatever they want. In fact, we are supposed to praise them for practicing what they preach.

mfrantom on March 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM

How about killing your own son if God tells you to to prove your faith to him?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:12 PM

do you know the outcome of that story? the moral of it?

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Can anyone prove how Homosexuality has been constructive to civilization????

Come on. Point out how Homosexuality has been constructive to civilization.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM

So what? Should Ann Coulter be forced to have children?

the_nile on March 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM

He’s right.

Can anyone prove how Homosexuality has been constructive to civilization????

Come on. Point out how Homosexuality has been constructive to civilization.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM

What about the obvious alternative: it’s neither particularly constructive nor destructive to “so many of the foundations of civilization.”

Also, I hope you don’t think that just because it’s hard to prove something (which is true for most things of this nature), we should assume the opposite is true.

tneloms on March 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Why do we care about what celebrities think, regardless of whether they agree with us?

MadisonConservative on March 20, 2012 at 5:24 PM

They’re proxies for ourselves? Good question.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM

I guess Hot Air has decided they needed a sexy blogger to drive pageviews, and then hoped we’d all ignore how poorly reasoned the posts are.

AngusMc on March 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM

HotAir should switch to a blog format. I wish I could read AP without having to stumble across tripe like this.

ggoofer on March 20, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Then look at the main page and only click on those articles that say “by Allahpundit”.

MadisonConservative on March 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM

@portlandon you’re typing on a computer aren’t you?

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:24 PM

1. Alan Turing’s existence is a byproduct of heterosexuality.

2. Alan Turing’s homosexuality did not contribute to his inventions or his creativity.

NEXT.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Why do we care about what celebrities think, regardless of whether they agree with us?

MadisonConservative on March 20, 2012 at 5:24 PM

We weren’t the ones pitching a fit over Kirk Cameron’s statement. We weren’t the ones asking him to clarify. That was ALL the LSM. As far as I’m concerned, this is just as big a nothingburger as the original outrageous outrage was.

gryphon202 on March 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM

I assume when Tina writes ‘Christians’ she means only Evangelical Protestants in the South of the United States.

I’ll never forget that video of Cameron trying to argue that the banana is the best evidence for intelligent design because it’s clearly been “engineered” to fit perfectly into a human hand. Ignoring completely the centuries of domestication and cross breeding done by farmers and the fact that wild bananas look nothing like the ones you buy at a store. Nobody should take this guy seriously, he makes all Christians look bad.

This really cracks me up as I have grown several species of bananas, and only 2 are used to make the bananas in the stores. In fact, they are all triploid or tetraploid hybrids between the two and thus sterile. Even these two species have small fruit loaded with seeds. Inedible! If a higher power had made bananas this way from the start they would have gone extinct.

Schools don’t teach enough about agriculture and genetics apparently.

antisense on March 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Earlier this month, on “Piers Morgan Tonight,” Cameron said he does not support gay marriage and thinks that homosexuality is “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.”

He’s right.

Can anyone prove how Homosexuality has been constructive to civilization????

Come on. Point out how Homosexuality has been constructive to civilization.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM

That’s irrelevant, freedom has been constructive to society. Freedom from over zealous churches trying enforces their morality on the population and stifle free expression. Freedom from church or government intrusion into our bedrooms and personal lives. If you can’t learn to accept teh gayz then consider moving to Iran, dinner jacket told us they don’t have that problem there.

1984 in real life on March 20, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Indeed, God told Abraham to sacrifice his only son Isaac. Abraham did as he was told, but God told him to stop before he could carry out the sacrifice. He then rewarded Abraham for his faith and spared him his son.

Bitter Clinger on March 20, 2012 at 5:25 PM

I’m sure the child was just ecstatic about that.

What a wondrous Lawgiver! He’ll reward you if he whispers in your ear to kill your children and you do it! Or not! Whatever he says!

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Awww, I always miss the good threads.

Bishop on March 20, 2012 at 5:28 PM

This is what you get with morality-as-commandment-from-supernatural-skybeing. Literally, anything goes: child murder, suicide bombing, you name it.

Fail.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM

c’mon, you’re a pretty smart guy.

Why do you hate God?

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:28 PM

How is he pop-culturally relevant to my generation, or generally newsworthy?

Dead Hand Control on March 20, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Hate to break it to you but it’s NOT all about you and your generation.

Considering how Hollywood is generally all about being pro gay marriage it is a little newsworthy when any actor doesn’t support it.

katiejane on March 20, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Good for him. Don’t let the progressives bully you!!

TX-96 on March 20, 2012 at 5:28 PM

1. Alan Turing’s existence is a byproduct of heterosexuality.

2. Alan Turing’s homosexuality did not contribute to his inventions or his creativity.

NEXT.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM

That says nothing whatever about the objective morality of homosexuality.

Next.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:29 PM

So many conservatives here that do not seem so conservative…other than the economy they are liberals.

EnochCain on March 20, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Yeah, some people don’t want to have to decide who gets tell us how to live. I know. Weird, right?

Freedom implies people making choices you (or your god) might disagree with. It’s awful.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:29 PM

If people are going to use Gallup polls to argue, then I must point out that a 2010 Gallup poll on the matter found that a majority of Americans do NOT consider homosexual relations to be immoral. More recent polls also show support for gay marriage. It is thus entirely appropriate to consider Kirk’s comments “controversial” in the common sense of the word.

McDuck on March 20, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Here’s the irony, no where in the bible does it say being homosexual is a sin…
Yeah, all the links will be thrown at me…but none of them will say that being homosexual is a sin, anymore than lusting after a car is a sin.
The act is a sin…but not the “being”…and that drives most Christian’s crazy.

right2bright on March 20, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Ann, you ignorant sl*t. Disagreement is hate per the lap-dog media and no one is to have an opinion or dare voice one that isn’t in lockstep with ‘courageous’ queers and weirdos who clamor for acceptance while demonizing those who disagree. F*ck off, Ann.

LizardLips on March 20, 2012 at 5:30 PM

AngusMc on March 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM

I’m not the biggest fan of Tina, either, but there’s no need to demean her just because you don’t like her blogging style. If you don’t like her articles, don’t read them, d*ckhole.

MadisonConservative on March 20, 2012 at 5:30 PM

What about the obvious alternative: it’s neither particularly constructive nor destructive to “so many of the foundations of civilization.”

Also, I hope you don’t think that just because it’s hard to prove something (which is true for most things of this nature), we should assume the opposite is true.

tneloms on March 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Shorter lifespan, immense numbers of sexual partners, brevity of relationships (average 2-3 years), function as a disease vector. Homosexuality has a lot of attendant ills that aren’t conducive to a stable society. And it’s not that homosexuals are some evil force intent on destroying society. They’re not doing it on purpose, or anything like. The consequences are sadly unavoidable.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:30 PM

c’mon, you’re a pretty smart guy.

Why do you hate God?

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:28 PM

How can I hate something I don’t believe exists?

I do hate those who murder others “because God-told-me-to,” though.

Don’t you?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Can anyone prove how Homosexuality has been constructive to civilization????

Come on. Point out how Homosexuality has been constructive to civilization.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Do you enjoy living in stylish houses/trailers? What about nice clothes? What about the fact they most likely have no kids and just spend their money buying other people’s goods? Derp.

antisense on March 20, 2012 at 5:31 PM

I live this young man for standint up for his biblical beliefs. so many who call themselves Christians haven’t a clue. You can not pick and choose over what God teaches. He says homosexualoity is a sin So be it!!

Bullhead on March 20, 2012 at 5:31 PM

That says nothing whatever about the objective morality of homosexuality.

Next.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:29 PM

There is no such thing as “objective morality.” Morality must be defined against a standard, and is therefore inherently subjective. If that were not the case, we could just as easily be nihilists.

gryphon202 on March 20, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Homosexuality is far more destructive than just reducing the growth of the population. Homosexuals have a higher (per capita) incidence of spousal/partner abuse than heteros. Incidence of STD’s is dramatically higher in homosexuals. Specifically, male homosexuals (~2% of the total population) are responsible for 57% of all new HIV & AIDS infections in 2009 (most recent data). If they want us to believe that they love their partner exclusively and want a marriage like us, then explain how AIDS is so prevalent in their community. IF their sexual behaviors were statistically similar to the hetero community, the transmission rate would be similar as well, and it’s clearly not. Ergo, homosexuals exhibit perverted, deviant behavior that puts us all at risk. Think of it this way — if the homosexual community adopted the same societal mores as the rest of us as it relates to sexual partners, their incidence of HIV/AIDS would fall. From there, it would NOT be transmitted as heavily through the drug community (the channel between the straight & homosexual community for STDs), after which it wouldn’t be transmitted to the population at large.

RationalIcthus on March 20, 2012 at 5:31 PM

@portlandon prove it? Having spare males and females to take care of children and defend the territory are useful to the species. What use are the intersex? They exist and are also products of heterosexuals humans come in a range of sexualities and gender expression. deal with it.

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Actor Kirk Cameron defends his controversial comments about homosexuality

It is a sad day when a supposedly conservative blogger unwittingly continues the Left’s attack on normalcy, by using a title that suggests Cameron’s views are “controversial.”

It is NOT controversial to believe homosexuality is backwards. In fact, that isn’t just the religious view, that is the scientific view. Whether you believe in creation or evolution, anyone familiar with basic human anatomy is aware man is made for woman, and woman is made for man.

And all you liberals and gays and everything else, you all only exist because of a man and a woman. So how about y’all face reality instead of trying to fight against reality?

And yes, it IS normal, throughout human history, to not believe in “same-sex marriage.”

IcedTea on March 20, 2012 at 5:32 PM

@PatientWolf quick question. Why is Paul an Apostle? weren’t the apostles the disciples that walked with Jesus?

Why does Paul’s words count for more then Jesus’s teachings? where was Paul when Jesus healed the Centurions sex slave?

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:19 PM

1) The writer Luke recorded in the book of Acts that Jesus himself chose Paul (Acts 9).
2) Paul was able to impart miraculous gifts through the laying on of his hands to Titus, Timothy and others, an ability only demonstrated by the apostles (Acts 8)
3) Paul successfully defended his apostleship to the Corinthian church (2 Corinthians 10-13)
4) In Paul’s writings he claimed to be an apostle and Peter accepted those writings as scripture(2 Peter 3:16) which means he accepted those writings and their claims as true.

PatientWolf on March 20, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Ok, lets ignore the little fact that a gay marriage has the span of a sea monkeys life..I couldnt care less about the gays…I just find it amusing that people like the Good Lt. rage so much against something they do not believe in…I suppose I should take up arms against Santa Claus etc.

EnochCain on March 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Im generating tax revenue right now. Hopefully that is sufficient for The Church of Emperor God-King Barackus Hussein Obamanus Magnum I, He For Whom the Sun Rises.

Also, my dog kinda depends on me; he’s pretty cute.

Jeddite on March 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

A quick note on Cameron’s comment that homosexuality is “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization”: If you take that very literally, it’s actually pretty indisputable. The very first foundation of any civilization is existence itself. Human reproduction is necessary for human civilization. If our twenty-first century civilization consisted entirely of homosexuals who engaged only in homosexual behavior, civilization would rapidly cease to exist. From this literal perspective, homosexuality is no more destructive to civilization than contraception or abortion — but it is destructive. It serves no point to deny that.

That’s…the stupidest…thing…I’ve ever…read.

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Wait – do you follow the 10 Commandments?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Which of the 10 commandments says to kill your son, or don’t mix fabric ? or stone your child?
So you either don’t believe the whole concept of God or you go and find somewhere in the book of Leviticus to prove that the whole idea is flawed?

evergreenland on March 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

I’m sure the child was just ecstatic about that.

What a wondrous Lawgiver! He’ll reward you if he whispers in your ear to kill your children and you do it! Or not! Whatever he says!

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Actually, Isaac himself went on to be a great leader of the Jewish people. The point is that Abraham was willing to put what he believed to be God’s wishes above his own. I know it’s hard to understand God sometimes if you haven’t spent any time learning about Him. I’m sorry for you that you haven’t had that opportunity.

Bitter Clinger on March 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

There is no such thing as “objective morality.” Morality must be defined against a standard, and is therefore inherently subjective. If that were not the case, we could just as easily be nihilists.

gryphon202 on March 20, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Morality is innate.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Do you enjoy living in stylish houses/trailers? What about nice clothes?

antisense on March 20, 2012 at 5:31 PM

ROFLMAO!!!

Roy Rogers on March 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Not all human beings have exactly similar features, and many people of different races have different physical characteristics. That being said, I believe that God created human beings in His likeness. I am a Christian.

I ask any evolutionist to opine as to whether any human race is more superior, soley based on evoulution, than any other race. Wouldn’t one race have to be “more” evolved than another? This is a sincere question and I am seeking an honest answer.

Strike Twice on March 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Proving Hitchens right that faith makes normally decent people say and do horrendous and wicked things.

How would you know if God was telling you to do it or not? What’s your indication that it’s not just you being psychopathic?

This is what you get with morality-as-commandment-from-supernatural-skybeing. Literally, anything goes: child murder, suicide bombing, you name it.

Fail.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM

You do realize I believe in God, right? I am also absolutely certain of His existence. Man’s law is not God’s law, but we have had this useless conversation before. You can’t seem to get past the fact that God was not created in your image. God has never told me to kill anyone though, so you can put your mind at ease.

NotCoach on March 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

That’s irrelevant, freedom has been constructive to society. Freedom from over zealous churches trying enforces their morality on the population and stifle free expression. Freedom from church or government intrusion into our bedrooms and personal lives. If you can’t learn to accept teh gayz then consider moving to Iran, dinner jacket told us they don’t have that problem there.

1984 in real life on March 20, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Can’t have it both ways.

Cameron claimed that homosexuality was destructive, and people get into a tizzy saying it isn’t.

I want those who claim it is not destructive society, to point out how homosexuality has been constructive to our society.

They can’t. Which is why people should not be labeling themselves as Gay/Straight, by thier Race, or other such nonsensical groups. It’s rubbish.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

That’s…the stupidest…thing…I’ve ever…read.

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

She’s blond…

the_nile on March 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

And all you liberals and gays and everything else, you all only exist because of a man and a woman. So how about y’all face reality instead of trying to fight against reality?

Could you provide a source where anybody argued against that?

Jeddite on March 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

@RationalIcthus heterosexuals have a higher rate of child abusers and pedophiles ERGO heterosexuals are not safe to be around children, ERGO HUMANS SHOULD STOP HAVING CHILDREN! Eureka!!

Drug rates and abuse rates are directly attributable to the societal pressure on a minority. Not the other way around.

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Come on. Point out how Homosexuality has been constructive to civilization.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM

It pisses off Muslims.

MadisonConservative on March 20, 2012 at 5:24 PM

#winning

1984 in real life on March 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

@Nom de Boom extrapolations are assumptions, just ask anyone that’s ever run a weather simulator

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Was that too imprecise, juxtaposing that with Good Lt’s dismissive use of assumption? Perhaps I should have used interpolation.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:35 PM

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canopfor on March 20, 2012 at 5:35 PM

The point is that Abraham was willing to put what he believed to be God’s wishes above his own

By the attempted murder of his own son.

What wondrous morality!

I know it’s hard to understand God sometimes if you haven’t spent any time learning about Him.

From just this horrid episode, you can learn plenty about your god.

And that’s not even scratching the surface.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Come on. Point out how Homosexuality has been constructive to civilization.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM

It pisses off Muslims.

MadisonConservative on March 20, 2012 at 5:24 PM

#winning

1984 in real life on March 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

#seconded

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:36 PM

I know it’s hard to understand God sometimes if you haven’t spent any time learning about Him. I’m sorry for you that you haven’t had that opportunity.

Bitter Clinger on March 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

He’s the one who told some guy to murder his kid to show his loyalty, right? I think I’ve learned enough, thanks.

EddieC on March 20, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Do you enjoy living in stylish houses/trailers? What about nice clothes? What about the fact they most likely have no kids and just spend their money buying other people’s goods? Derp.

antisense on March 20, 2012 at 5:31 PM

1. Style and design is not a Homosexually exclusive trait.

2. People buying goods is not a Homosexually exclusive act.

NEXT.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Proving Hitchens right that faith makes normally decent people say and do horrendous and wicked things.

How would you know if God was telling you to do it or not? What’s your indication that it’s not just you being psychopathic?

This is what you get with morality-as-commandment-from-supernatural-skybeing. Literally, anything goes: child murder, suicide bombing, you name it.

Fail.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM

What basis do you have for determining which actions are wicked? What standard are you using? Please provide examples of these “wicked” things.

PatientWolf on March 20, 2012 at 5:36 PM

gryphon202 on March 20, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Morality is innate.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

No, conscience is innate. That is not the same thing as morality. If morality were innate, we’d all live by the same set of rules. Instead, we have scores of Christian churches that can’t all agree on doctrine, not to speak of the various world religions, both Abrahamic and non-Abrahamic. The thing about conscience is that even though it is innate, it can be ignored. And where morality is concerned, different cultures can define something as fundamental as “murder” differently.

gryphon202 on March 20, 2012 at 5:36 PM

From just this horrid episode, you can learn plenty about your god.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:35 PM

“I don’t need to read no steeenkin bible!”

Roy Rogers on March 20, 2012 at 5:37 PM

i’m gay and what kirk cameron thinks, says, or does about homosexuals because i have more important matters to attend to, like, will tonight’s dinner be Mcdonald’s or Wendys?
AND WHEN I AM DONE EATING MY FOOD IN MY TRUCK, I MIGHT “ACCIDENTLY” THROW A WRAPPER OUT THE WINDOW AS I DRIVE HOME. SUCK IT QUEERS. AND SUCK IT AL GORE!!!!!

GhoulAid on March 20, 2012 at 5:37 PM

@PatientWolf you missed the second half of the question.

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:37 PM

If our twenty-first century civilization consisted entirely of homosexuals airline pilots who engaged only in homosexual flying their planes, civilization would rapidly cease to exist.

Hey, this works too!

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:37 PM

I confess.

I enjoy the luxury of something that a gay person cannot enjoy. It does not matter what I think in my head, my thoughts are my own, the people around me cannot see them. I may lust after a woman (mea culpa), but as long as I maintain myself within my social, marital, legal, professional boundaries then I suffer no societal resentment based upon my thoughts–because they are invisible, except to God.

I submit that my gay friends do not have that same luxury. I have a couple that lives a few doors down. They’re gay, its obvious. Their relationship is there for the whole world to see, they don’t flaunt it, there is just no hiding it–two men living in a house together and doing things that couples do.

I admit that I harbor thoughts that are sinful and they are no more, nor less, sinful than any homosexual man or woman will commit.

that is the truth.

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:37 PM

You do realize I believe in God, right? I am also absolutely certain of His existence.

What’s your evidence?

Man’s law is not God’s law, but we have had this useless conversation before.

Indeed. Man’s law is far more just and sensible.

You can’t seem to get past the fact that God was not created in your image. God has never told me to kill anyone though, so you can put your mind at ease.

NotCoach on March 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

How would you know or not if God was telling you to kill somebody?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Morality is innate.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

For someone who believes that, you’re awfully opinionated. Just sayin… :-)

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Who here would accept a parent that killed their children and then said that God told them to? Who here would accept that unconditionally?

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:38 PM

I want those who claim it is not destructive society, to point out how homosexuality has been constructive to our society.

They can’t. Which is why people should not be labeling themselves as Gay/Straight, by thier Race, or other such nonsensical groups. It’s rubbish.

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Let me help. I am part of society and am much happier living life as gay person than I would be (and was) as a straight person. Good enough?

This game is fun. Do you own any nice shoes? A plasma TV? Please let me know how those purchases “benefited society”.

ggoofer on March 20, 2012 at 5:39 PM

The word controversial should be removed from this post. It doesn’t belong. Cameron is right, and there is nothing controversial about what he said. There isn’t anything despicable about it either.

Good Lt. sure does crawl out of the woodwork at any opportunity to bash believers. I have to wonder why some individuals have a need to try to ridicule others for their beliefs. I suspect it may be a way of assuaging their own doubts, rather than persuading anyone.

JannyMae on March 20, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Hey, this works too!

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Brilliant.

Except that planes are too science-y.

If God had intended us to fly, we’d have been designed with wings.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:39 PM

How would you know or not if God was telling you to kill somebody?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:38 PM

You can ask Muslims about that. ;-)

gryphon202 on March 20, 2012 at 5:39 PM

GhoulAid on March 20, 2012 at 5:37 PM

LOL

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:39 PM

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