Actor Kirk Cameron defends his controversial comments about homosexuality

posted at 4:50 pm on March 20, 2012 by Tina Korbe

On “The Today Show” this morning, actor Kirk Cameron told host Ann Curry that he stands by his past controversial comments about homosexuality. Earlier this month, on “Piers Morgan Tonight,” Cameron said he does not support gay marriage and thinks that homosexuality is “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.”

In his conversation with Curry today, Cameron said it would have been more newsworthy if he had said otherwise — and he has a very valid point:

“I was surprised, frankly, that people were surprised by the things that I’ve said,” he told host Ann Curry. “I have been consistent for 15 years as a Christian. I’m a Bible-believing Christian. What I would have thought was more newsworthy is if I had said something that contradicted the word of God, if I had contradicted my faith.”

Curry asked the actor if he hated homosexuals.

“Absolutely not,” he said. “I love all people, I hate no one…When you take a subject and reduce it to something like a four-second soundbite and a check mark on a ballot, I think that that’s inappropriate and insensitive. To edit it down to that, it certainly didn’t reflect my full heart on the matter.”

When you think about his comments in that light, any outrage over them does seem hyper-sensitive and strange. “Noted Christian believes what Christianity teaches.” How shocking!

What’s sad, though, is that it is a surprise to many non-Christians when they hear a Christian stand up for controversial Christian doctrines because so few famous Christians do. When actress and Christian Kristen Chenoweth, for example, appeared on “Piers Morgan Tonight” in the fall, she presented quite a contrast to Kirk Cameron — and, as I recall, created no stir whatsoever by voicing her support for gay marriage.

It’s also interesting that so few people seem to remember a couple important people who theoretically still don’t support gay marriage.

A quick note on Cameron’s comment that homosexuality is “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization”: If you take that very literally, it’s actually pretty indisputable. The very first foundation of any civilization is existence itself. Human reproduction is necessary for human civilization. If our twenty-first century civilization consisted entirely of homosexuals who engaged only in homosexual behavior, civilization would rapidly cease to exist. From this literal perspective, homosexuality is no more destructive to civilization than contraception or abortion — but it is destructive. It serves no point to deny that.

Nor does it serve any point to deny what we all know from personal experience: Every single human being has certain destructive tendencies inside of him — the tendency to meanness, maybe, or to unkindness, to sloth, to gluttony, to thievery, to murder. What Christianity claims to offer or, more specifically, what Christ claimed to offer — and what many Christians joyfully attest to experiencing — is a grace-sustained way of overcoming those tendencies. In that offer is not condemnation, but an invitation to true freedom.

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If our twenty-first century civilization consisted entirely of homosexuals who engaged only in homosexual behavior, civilization would rapidly cease to exist.

Strawmen, ignite!

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Christians who defend their beliefs accused of hatred, bigotry and intolerance.

Muslims who defend their beliefs hailed as moderates, enlightened and tolerant.

Funny, that.

catmman on March 20, 2012 at 4:54 PM

But Nikki Sixx said that Kirk Cameron was a hillbilly with lots of lots of hatred.

Who is Nikki Sixx? Some stupid has been rock and roll guy who has a stupid radio show on Friday nights. It was on at work so I had to listen.

carbon_footprint on March 20, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Dude also believes the world was created out of nothing by magic 6,000 years ago.

And that bananas are evidence of intelligent design.

LOL

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Cameron said he does not support gay marriage and thinks that homosexuality is “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.”

So was Like Father, Like Son.

Doughboy on March 20, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Except that there’s no evidence that there are more homosexuals in our society than there ever have been. Only that there are more people who are being honest about their sexuality. The hysteria is totally misplaced.

libfreeordie on March 20, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Democrats declare War on Kirk Cameron while Robert De Niro waxes nostalgic on white first ladies…

Roy Rogers on March 20, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Strawmen, ignite!

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 4:54 PM

heh

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Actor Kirk Cameron defends his controversial comments about homosexuality

When you think about his comments in that light, any outrage over them does seem hyper-sensitive and strange. “Noted Christian believes what Christianity teaches.” How shocking!

Tina. Liberals use the label of “controversial” and “extreme” in reference to what are largely opinions that are quite widely held. Do you accept the premise that Cameron’s position is “controversial”? Moreover, who gets to decide that they are “controversial” while other’s viewpoints would not get such a label? Reject the premise of the left and do not use their language in their context, please–but, most specifically when you don’t agree with that premise as you state.

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Curry asked the actor if he hated homosexuals.

That Curry felt compelled to ask him that says more about Ann Curry than about Kirk Cameron.

Bitter Clinger on March 20, 2012 at 4:57 PM

If you take that very literally, it’s actually pretty indisputable. The very first foundation of any civilization is existence itself. Human reproduction is necessary for human civilization. If our twenty-first century civilization consisted entirely of homosexuals who engaged only in homosexual behavior, civilization would rapidly cease to exist. From this literal perspective, homosexuality is no more destructive to civilization than contraception or abortion — but it is destructive. It serves no point to deny that.

Insemination Tina , google it.

the_nile on March 20, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Dude also believes the world was created out of nothing by magic 6,000 years ago.

And that bananas are evidence of intelligent design.

LOL

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 4:55 PM

You’re pretty tough when you know they won’t come for your head.

Roy Rogers on March 20, 2012 at 4:57 PM

um so were gays going to have kids in the first place? Or should all gays shack up with women? Would someone like to volunteer their sisters or daughters for this? “Honey, this man is incapable of giving you the full emotional love and support that you need and will some day leave you for a man, but I need you to take one for the team because we’re running out of babies.”

yup pretty much the life blood of civilization, the precious gay children demographic.

Just admit it, without forced marriages of gays your civilization crumbles around you!!

Yup makes total sense.

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Well said. I never understood the position that, if you don’t totally accept my lifestyle, well, you hate me and everything that I am.

It’s as if only complete acquiescence will placate the left feminists race-hustlers I mean, gays.

JDF123 on March 20, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Tuesday’s place for the unrepentant to confess. So confess away reprobates.

tom daschle concerned on March 20, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Curry asked the actor if he hated homosexuals.

Idiotic baiting ploy.

8thAirForce on March 20, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Honest question – Why is anyone talking to Kirk Cameron about anything? Is he somebody? How is he pop-culturally relevant to my generation, or generally newsworthy?

Dead Hand Control on March 20, 2012 at 4:58 PM

the_nile on March 20, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Rectal warts. Google it.

Roy Rogers on March 20, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Obama is against gay marriage .

SparkPlug on March 20, 2012 at 4:59 PM

thank you @libfreeordie and @Good Lt well said

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Tina, please tell me that you did not just equate homosexuality with “a tendency to meanness, maybe, or to unkindness, to sloth, to gluttony, to thievery, to murder.”

Cameron’s statement is fine as far as it goes. Yours, however, if I am reading it correctly, is a bit much.

Mr. Arkadin on March 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM

You’re pretty tough when you know they won’t come for your head.

Roy Rogers on March 20, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Why would good, faithful religious believers ever want to come for somebody’s head for criticizing their faith, regardless of what their faith is?

Islamic beliefs about creationism and homosexuality are just as comical, outdated and stupid.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM

What’s sad, though, is that it is a surprise to many non-Christians when they hear a Christian stand up for controversial Christian doctrines because so few famous Christians do. – Tina

I understand non-Christians not knowing what Christians believe and what you mention about that actress is bad, but what I think is truly sad is that there are so many professing “Christians” that go along with the anti-Christian mindset and hate everything Kirk Cameron stands for.

Kelligan on March 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM

If you take that very literally, it’s actually pretty indisputable.

Actually, it’s not. Band level societies -> big men societies -> simple chiefdoms -> complex chiefdoms -> city-states -> etc.

In 1936, the archeologist V. Gordon Childe published his book Man Makes Himself. Childe identified several elements which he believed were essential for a civilization to exist. He included: the plow, wheeled cart and draft animals, sailing ships, the smelting of copper and bronze, a solar calendar, writing, standards of measurement, irrigation ditches, specialized craftsmen, urban centers and a surplus of food necessary to support non-agricultural workers who lived within the walls of the city. Childe’s list concerns human achievements and pays less attention to human organization.

Another historian agreed with Childe but added that a true definition of civilization should also include money collected through taxes, a privileged ruling class, a centralized government and a national religious or priestly class.

Dante on March 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM

“Noted Christian believes what Christianity teaches.” How shocking!

Actually, these days it probably is.

rbj on March 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Fortunately for Iran, the Iranian civilization will never cease to exist, for Iran has no gays.

Jeddite on March 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM

So was Like Father, Like Son.
Doughboy on March 20, 2012 at 4:55 PM

LOL win.

tdpwells on March 20, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Rectal warts. Google it.

Roy Rogers on March 20, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Naa , I’ve seen your type before.

the_nile on March 20, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Wouldn’t it have been fun to have been able to read Ann Curry’s thoughts prior to the interview?

“He doesn’t believe the liberal dogma we endorse here at 30 Rockefeller Plaza, so I’ll tear him up over that. Oh, and boys that cute never wanted anything to do with me in high school, so I’ll get him for that reason too!”

BTW, Tina–ever consider that The Origin of Species makes at least as strong a claim against homosexuality as the Bible? Under the most basic version of Darwinian theory, if there is an impediment to a species reproducing, that species is going to decline and even go extinct if it can’t compensate. And in a sexually reproducing animal, such as humans, homosexuality is just such an impediment. But you never hear Darwin called a homophobe.

radjah shelduck on March 20, 2012 at 5:01 PM

From this literal perspective, homosexuality is no more destructive to civilization than contraception or abortion — but it is destructive. It serves no point to deny that.

God created relationships with diversity–a man and a woman. A perversion of that is to reverse it and create one devoid of diversity.

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Obama is against gay marriage .

SparkPlug on March 20, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Obama is SO against gay marriage!

Roy Rogers on March 20, 2012 at 5:01 PM

God created relationships with diversity–a man and a woman. A perversion of that is to reverse it and create one devoid of diversity.

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Prove it.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:01 PM

I like Kirk Cameron, good for him, good guy.

nswider on March 20, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Teach me about the crocoduck, Kirk.

Lord on March 20, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Earlier this month, on “Piers Morgan Tonight,” Cameron said he does not support gay marriage and thinks that homosexuality is “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.”

He’s right.

Can anyone prove how Homosexuality has been constructive to civilization????

crickets

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Bible bangers is nutty.

KeninCT on March 20, 2012 at 5:02 PM

A pretty wise man once told me this: truth without love is brutality; love without truth is hypocrisy. You can’t bludgeon people with the truth, but it is no mercy to withhold it from them for fear of giving offense.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Strawmen, ignite!

lorien needs to learn the meaning of strawman…

jetch on March 20, 2012 at 5:02 PM

If our twenty-first century civilization consisted entirely of homosexuals heterosexuals who engaged only in homosexual heterosexual behavior, civilization would rapidly cease to exist.

Plus, the chafing. Oh lord the chafing.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Can anyone prove how Homosexuality has been constructive to civilization????

Well, they are fabulous at decorating. Domestic aesthetics have never been better.

carbon_footprint on March 20, 2012 at 5:03 PM

G

ood Lt on March 20, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Dude believes that the random collisions of electrons sometime in the past led to the emergent property of the brain producing the thoughts he now experiences. Dude’s thoughts have no more validity than the wind blowing through the tree’s.

LOL, See how easy it is to ridicule others.

chemman on March 20, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Fortunately for Iran, the Iranian civilization will never cease to exist, for Iran has no gays.

Jeddite on March 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM

That’s a relief.

the_nile on March 20, 2012 at 5:04 PM

lorien needs to learn the meaning of strawman…

jetch on March 20, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Someone does; but it’s not who you think. ;)

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Prove it.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:01 PM

The rarity of the exception proves the rule. At least it does for me. ymmv

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Plus, the chafing. Oh lord the chafing.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:03 PM

LOL!

portlandon on March 20, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Curry asked the actor if he hated homosexuals.

Cameron should have asked if Curry hated Christians.

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Kirk Cameron should co-host an awards program with Neil Patrick Harris.

For the lulz, of course.

Jeddite on March 20, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Bible Small animal bangers is nutty.

KeninCT on March 20, 2012 at 5:02 PM

carbon_footprint on March 20, 2012 at 5:04 PM

@Roy Rogers, um I guess you’ve never seen thousands of gays protesting Iran and fighting back islamic pressure in London

Trust me gays feel the bite of most religions.

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:04 PM

BTW, Tina–ever consider that The Origin of Species makes at least as strong a claim against homosexuality as the Bible? Under the most basic version of Darwinian theory, if there is an impediment to a species reproducing, that species is going to decline and even go extinct if it can’t compensate. And in a sexually reproducing animal, such as humans, homosexuality is just such an impediment. But you never hear Darwin called a homophobe.

radjah shelduck on March 20, 2012 at 5:01 PM

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA010.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB403.html

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Fortunately for Iran, the Iranian civilization will never cease to exist, for Iran has no gays.

Jeddite on March 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Just dead ones with long necks.

…but, the Iranians are so …moderate/

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Bible bangers is nutty.

KeninCT on March 20, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Christians comprise 78% of America’s population. Perhaps you’re the nutty one, Skippy?

kingsjester on March 20, 2012 at 5:05 PM

But you never hear Darwin called a homophobe.

radjah shelduck on March 20, 2012 at 5:01 PM

That’d be against The Narrative…..

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Tina, please tell me that you did not just equate homosexuality with “a tendency to meanness, maybe, or to unkindness, to sloth, to gluttony, to thievery, to murder.”

Cameron’s statement is fine as far as it goes. Yours, however, if I am reading it correctly, is a bit much.

Mr. Arkadin on March 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM

A sin is a sin, o ye of little Bible knowledge.

SirGawain on March 20, 2012 at 5:06 PM

If our twenty-first century civilization consisted entirely of homosexuals who engaged only in homosexual behavior, civilization would rapidly cease to exist.

…but the place would look **faaaaabulous, Tina**

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Dude believes that the random collisions of electrons sometime in the past led to the emergent property of the brain producing the thoughts he now experiences.

Therefore, God.

Science!

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:07 PM

@Kingjester, only 55% of americans know that our Sun is a star. let’s not push numbers to hard.

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:08 PM

The rarity of the exception proves the rule. At least it does for me. ymmv

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:04 PM

This is a paradox. If every rule has an exception, then the rule “every rule has an exception” has an exception. That exception would be every rule does NOT have an exception.

Dante on March 20, 2012 at 5:08 PM

What’s sad, though, is that it is a surprise to many non-Christians when they hear a Christian stand up for controversial Christian doctrines because so few famous Christians do.

Exactly. The outrage is that Cameron doesn’t fold.

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Plus, the chafing. Oh lord the chafing.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:03 PM

You mean from Fluking?

the_nile on March 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Christians comprise 78% of America’s population. Perhaps you’re the nutty one, Skippy?

kingsjester on March 20, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Many fewer Christians (or other believers) than that are young-Earth creationists.

And even if 99% believes that stupidity, that doesn’t then make it true.

Argumentum ad populam.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Tina. Liberals use the label of “controversial” and “extreme” in reference to what are largely opinions that are quite widely held.

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Yep. They do this all the time in order to undermine the position.

NotCoach on March 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Tina defending despicable things again?

Shocking.

mythicknight on March 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Tina, please tell me that you did not just equate homosexuality with “a tendency to meanness, maybe, or to unkindness, to sloth, to gluttony, to thievery, to murder.”

Cameron’s statement is fine as far as it goes. Yours, however, if I am reading it correctly, is a bit much.

Mr. Arkadin on March 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM

A sin is a sin. God makes no distinction. So yes, in that context they are all equal. A liar is just as guilty as a murderer.

Kelligan on March 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:08 PM

The numbers came from Gallup. Perhaps you’ve heard of them.
I’m sorry that they do not fit your narrative.

kingsjester on March 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

You mean from Fluking?

the_nile on March 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

No the chafing from engaging in fluking and only fluking.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Therefore, God.

Science!

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Actually, it’s called Faith. The ability to believe in something greater than yourself even though you can’t see it.

Bitter Clinger on March 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Strawmen, ignite!

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 4:54 PM

I don’t think that word means that you think it means.

You-Eh-Vee on March 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM

You’re pretty tough when you know they won’t come for your head.

Roy Rogers on March 20, 2012 at 4:57 PM

This

b1jetmech on March 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Even supposedly conservative web sites are falling for the liberal PC requirements, just reading the title : “Controversial comments” why ?, why is it controversial? it is the believe that 90% of people hold and have held for thousands of years.
So what majority of people believe is now controversial?

evergreenland on March 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM

A liar is just as guilty as a murderer.

Kelligan on March 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

No.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Yep. They do this all the time in order to undermine the position.

NotCoach on March 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

It doesn’t help when our pretty conservative bloggers use the term unknowingly within the left’s context, thus, bolstering the false premise.

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Oh, dear. I thought Kirk was one of the better actors on that horrid show. I knew he was a Christian, but it is a shame to find out that he has such views about sexual orientation. Yet another actor I won’t be able to look at the same way now that he has decided to go public with his views

McDuck on March 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Trust me gays feel the bite of most religions.

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:04 PM

I never understood why gays in the U.S. would attack the Catholic Church as it does not have a standing practice to hang gays in public as they do in Iran.

WARNING ON VIDEO!

Roy Rogers on March 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM

No.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Actually, yes. It’s the consequences that differ.

You-Eh-Vee on March 20, 2012 at 5:12 PM

I don’t think that word means that you think it means.

You-Eh-Vee on March 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Actually my quoted part is the exact definition of a strawman.

No one ever suggests what this sentence says. It’s refuting an argument that no one making.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Curry asked the actor if he hated homosexuals.

That Curry felt compelled to ask him that says more about Ann Curry than about Kirk Cameron.

Bitter Clinger on March 20, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Agreed. And what it says about Ann Curry is that she is well-trained in the Modern School of Gotcha Soundbite Journalism™, just like 90% of all TV talking heads out there — liberal and conservative. It’s no wonder that most voters simply vote according to the pigeon holes into which their favorite news channel has slotted the candidates.

KS Rex on March 20, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Argumentum ad populam.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Reality’s a difficult concept.

On the internet, an advocate can make an ant seem like an elephant.

Here are some more numbers you won’t like. Per Gallup, 92% of Americans believe in God. Therefore, only 8% are Atheists.

kingsjester on March 20, 2012 at 5:12 PM

A sin is a sin. God makes no distinction. So yes, in that context they are all equal. A liar is just as guilty as a murderer.

Kelligan on March 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Not according to my morality.

Dante on March 20, 2012 at 5:12 PM

A sin is a sin. God makes no distinction. So yes, in that context they are all equal. A liar is just as guilty as a murderer.

Kelligan on March 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Is slavery a sin?

Is the stoning of disobedient children?

How about mixing fabrics?

How about killing your own son if God tells you to to prove your faith to him?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:12 PM

What is the point of this post? The entire thing boils down to “I hate gays”.

I’m sure you could have found some very similar writings 50 or so talking about blacks instead of gays.

powerfactor on March 20, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Actually, yes. It’s the consequences that differ.

You-Eh-Vee on March 20, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Then they are not equally guilty.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:13 PM

I never understood why gays in the U.S. would attack the Catholic Church as it does not have a standing practice to hang gays in public as they do in Iran.

Roy Rogers on March 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM

it’s a proxy war, IYKWIMAITYJM

ted c on March 20, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Actually, it’s called Faith. The ability to believe in something greater than yourself even though you can’t see it.

Bitter Clinger on March 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM

I’ll take Reason over Irrationality.

Dante on March 20, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Watched the interview. It kind of seemed like he won her over. Good job representing the faith, Kirk.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:14 PM

A liar is just as guilty as a murderer.

Kelligan on March 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

No.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Actually, yes. In God’s eyes, there are no degrees of sin. Man sees one sin greater than another. But not God.

Bitter Clinger on March 20, 2012 at 5:14 PM

When actress and Christian Kristen Chenoweth, for example, appeared on “Piers Morgan Tonight” in the fall, she presented quite a contrast to Kirk Cameron — and, as I recall, created no stir whatsoever by voicing her support for gay marriage.

I am no more surprised by Kirk Cameron stating support for the church’s position than Kristen Chenoweth stating opposition to it, despite both saying they are Christian. Reasonable people can disagree.

Tina, I take your statement to question how Kristen Chenoweth can possibly support gay marriage and still be Christian. First off, not all Christian denominations reject gay marriage, although most do. If I understand right, Kristen says she is Christian, not Catholic. She could be of a denomination that is not as opposed to gay marriage (although I am sure many Christians would question the Christianity of such a denomination).

I would also note that lots of Christians question the doctrine of their own denominations on some subjects. Much like a political party, you can question individual teachings of a denomination while still adhering to the overall teachings and message. Churches are made up of men, and men are fallible. Having been raised in the Catholic Church (although an atheist now), we learned that only God is infallible (and the Pope, although I never agreed with that… oh wait, funny timing on that statement).

Did not Christ himself question the teachings of the Jewish faith in spite of the fact that he was jewish? It seems to me that Christianity itself was started on the very basis of people disagreeing with the strict practice of the Jewish faith as dictated by the pharasies while still subscribing to the basic teachings of the God and prophets of that faith (the Old Testament is part of the Bible afterall).

gravityman on March 20, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Actually, yes. In God’s eyes, there are no degrees of sin. Man sees one sin greater than another. But not God.

Bitter Clinger on March 20, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Hence my belief that god is a flawed concept.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:15 PM

There are two sins in modern society that are far worse that murder, theft, or adultery. In fact they can get you fired from your job and even jailed. 1. Saying anything negative about homosexuality.
2. Saying anything that the elitist thinks is racist.

The two great sins of a morally bankrupt society.

rich8450 on March 20, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Then they are not equally guilty.

lorien1973 on March 20, 2012 at 5:13 PM

You can’t have different grades of guilty. That’s why courts don’t allow ‘somewhat guilty’. It’s guilty or not guilty. What differs is the conequences of ones actions.

You-Eh-Vee on March 20, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Ann Curry, working hard to get that word hate into one of her questions.

reddevil on March 20, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Reality’s a difficult concept.

For those determined to live in the world of Bronze age superstition created by desert-dwelling nomads, apparently so.

Here are some more numbers you won’t like. Per Gallup, 92% of Americans believe in God. Therefore, only 8% are Atheists.

kingsjester on March 20, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Therefore, God exists.

67% of Mississippians who voted in the primary for Santorum last week don’t accept that evolution is a fact as verifiable as their own existence.

Therefore, it isn’t true.

Your entire line of “argument” here is a logical fallacy.

Just because a lot of people at one time believed the world was the center of the universe and was flat didn’t make it true.

Seeing the fallacy of this “it’s a fact because people believe it” is apparently hard for you.

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:16 PM

This is a paradox. If every rule has an exception, then the rule “every rule has an exception” has an exception. That exception would be every rule does NOT have an exception.

Dante on March 20, 2012 at 5:08 PM

You’ll note that I didn’t argue for the universality of the rule.

Nom de Boom on March 20, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Didn’t say that. I made the point when you distill the current research in neuroscience down to its essence it sounds silly also.
If your thoughts are based on the emergent properties of matter, in this case the brain, that were caused by random collisions of electrons in the far past then what you are thinking now is a result of those random collisions and what others are thinking are a result of random collisions. Nothing to argue about since each of our brain chemistry’s are responsible for our thoughts. So once again why ridicule people because they think differently than you.

chemman on March 20, 2012 at 5:16 PM

You can’t have different grades of guilty. That’s why courts don’t allow ‘somewhat guilty’. It’s guilty or not guilty. What differs is the conequences of ones actions.

You-Eh-Vee on March 20, 2012 at 5:15 PM

The penalty is the same for all crimes in the New Testament.

Eternal torment.

Why doesn’t Earth-bound, man-made law reflect that kind of barbarism anymore?

Good Lt on March 20, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Tina, please tell me that you did not just equate homosexuality with “a tendency to meanness, maybe, or to unkindness, to sloth, to gluttony, to thievery, to murder.”

Cameron’s statement is fine as far as it goes. Yours, however, if I am reading it correctly, is a bit much.

Mr. Arkadin on March 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM

No Tina didn’t equate them the Apostle Paul did.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10(NET) Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals,thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God

PatientWolf on March 20, 2012 at 5:17 PM

@Roy Rogers Saying that people have it worse somewhere else doesn’t equate to not standing up for one’s rights. Christians are killed in Saudi Arabia, therefore they should really learn to walk quietly and stop opening their mouths.

I know that Iran kills gays, that’s why i donate to groups that work to help gays escape to neutral countries if they can.

HOw does that equate to not standing up for my rights?

Zekecorlain on March 20, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Typical “The Today Show” prodding and probing
of try’n to set up a narrative that they like!!!

canopfor on March 20, 2012 at 5:17 PM

The very first foundation of any civilization is existence itself. Human reproduction is necessary for human civilization. If our twenty-first century civilization consisted entirely of homosexuals who engaged only in homosexual behavior, civilization would rapidly cease to exist

Tina, here is an example of the truth of your thesis.

You can figure out the demographics of the town on your own.

turfmann on March 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM

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