“Walking Dead” season finale: Group of unlikable people still alive, still unlikable

posted at 10:10 pm on March 19, 2012 by Allahpundit

Last chance until October for me to milk this show for easy content so I’m a-takin’ it. Nine million people watched last night, making it the most-watched episode of any show on basic cable among viewers under age 49 — ever.

A few thoughts. One: When the zombie herd started its stampede through the farm, what exactly was the strategic point of driving around randomly and shooting at them? It was obvious pretty quickly that there were too many to kill. Why waste ammo and take needless risks in blasting a few instead of driving off? Two: Reader Flip Pidot asks a good question via e-mail about the killing of Shane, which aired again in the recap last night at the very beginning. Quote:

I thought I’d seen this last week, though I handn’t bothered to review the dvr. But tonight’s recap confirmed – Carl definitely raises the gun before Zombie Shane reanimates. Is this just a sloppy/cheap edit to hammer home the audience fakeout that he’s taking aim at dad, or was that Carl’s real kneejerk intent when he’d seen Rick had killed Shane?

Carl veering off the reservation seems like an interesting dynamic, especially with Shane’s departure, so I kind of sadistically (and artisically) hope it wasn’t just a cheap editing sleight.

He’s right, Carl did raise the gun before Shane reanimated. Watch the scene from last week’s episode. At first I thought maybe Carl simply anticipated Shane reanimating and wanted to be in a position to shoot, but no, that can’t be. Carl didn’t find out until last night that everyone reanimates upon death whether they’ve been bitten or not. And he didn’t know how Shane died, so what reason did he have at the time to think a zombie did it? Or maybe the idea is that he concluded a zombie must have done it because he couldn’t imagine his pop knifing Shane in the gut?

Three: I’m not looking forward to the scenes in the prison next year. The lesson of the series thus far is that when the location gets static, things slow down and get very talky. Maybe you’re excited to hear Rick and Lori have their thousandth Meaningful Conversation about how to raise their son. I’m not. Fourth and finally: Why are these people so willing to accept Rick as group leader? Shane was charismatic and had a survival-of-the-fittest ethos suitable for Zombieworld. You can imagine him as group leader, ruthless though he was. Rick is leader now basically by process of elimination: Herschel’s too old, Glenn’s too young, Darryl’s too sullen, and T-Dog doesn’t get any lines. Why not make Andrea leader? She likes to shoot and has enough of a ruthless streak. And unlike Mr. Rogers, you don’t have to listen to her yap yap yappin’ 24/7 about the group staying together. A few weeks of that and I’d be praying for zombie deliverance.


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Haven’t seen the show. I’m holding out for the Food Network’s version “Wokking Dead”.

malclave on March 19, 2012 at 10:32 PM

lol!

Alana on March 20, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Allah, just stop watching the show, if it causes you so much grief. Really. I don’t get why people keep watching if they have so many problems with it. Kinda like what Rick said in the end, “If you don’t like it, there’s the door!” Exactly.

Anyway, I thought it was a great finale. Yes, regular people panicking and not thinking straight during a zombie attack. Oh my, unbelievable. All things considered, most of them got out alive.

Skimmed thru the comments and didn’t see it said, did any one notice that the zombies went on the rampage just shortly after a helicopter flew by?

Rovin on March 19, 2012 at 11:50 PM

I got the impression that all the walkers who saw the chopper were drawn to it, following in that general direction, creating a super horde.

Dongemaharu on March 20, 2012 at 12:09 AM

I wonder if they’re going to reintroduce “Morgan” in Season 3.

Morgan and Merle are the strongest characters, so far.

I can see either of them as the character called “the Governor,” who’ll appear in Season 3.

Lourdes on March 20, 2012 at 12:10 AM

… why not go to the coast at Savannah or the Carolinas or Jacksonville, where they can live on abandoned luxury yachts? Or on a coastal island? Florida keys? Fishing pole + cast nets = unlimited food. Or just stay on the beach where at least there’s one less direction from which to be overrun?

Being a resident of the fine city of Jacksonville there are no yacht here :)

However, you could raid some awesome fine Navy armories, if you could get past the sailor walkers.

As for the Keys, sure there are fewer lines of attack, there is also nowhere to run if a herd decides to comes running down US-1.

TinCanNav on March 20, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Skimmed thru the comments and didn’t see it said, did any one notice that the zombies went on the rampage just shortly after a helicopter flew by?

Rovin on March 19, 2012 at 11:50 PM

in the comics, right around this time of the storyline [right after they find and settle into the prison], the group watches a helicopter go down and rick runs off to investigate and that begins a whole new story arc. its possible that its supposed to bea prelude to that, but what i got from seeing the sequence in last nights episode was: at some point, possibly even months ago, this helicopter flew over a large city, and the horde of walkers followed that direction for weeks/months until they ran into hershels farm. so the helicopter wasnt necessarily a recent or nearby happening, it was flying sometime in the possibly-distant past.

p00pies on March 20, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Where do they film this?

Bmore on March 19, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Filming locations:

Atlanta, Georgia, USA

Peachtree City, Georgia, USA

Lourdes on March 20, 2012 at 12:14 AM

As for the Keys, sure there are fewer lines of attack, there is also nowhere to run if a herd decides to comes running down US-1.

TinCanNav on March 20, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Right, didn’t anyone see DAWN OF THE DEAD?

Stay away from those islands, a contained area from whence one is too easily a captive victim.

Lourdes on March 20, 2012 at 12:16 AM

Lourdes on March 20, 2012 at 12:10 AM

The Governor has already been cast, and he is neither Morgan or Merle. Merle is unique to the series and Morgan eventually returns in the comics but there has been no indication that Lennie James has been called back to play Morgan in the series.

TinCanNav on March 20, 2012 at 12:17 AM

I got the impression that all the walkers who saw the chopper were drawn to it, following in that general direction, creating a super horde.

Dongemaharu on March 20, 2012 at 12:09 AM

Yeah, I think that is intended to be a reference to Ricks “mystery chopper” from Season 1. The one he swore he saw flying over Atlanta.

TinCanNav on March 20, 2012 at 12:19 AM

still alive….still unlikeable….mitt romney

renalin on March 19, 2012 at 10:21 PM

LOL… Threadwinner

Good Season Finale. Next season should be even better. Oh, and Allah needs to read the comics before writing these posts. Seriously.

Norwegian on March 20, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Good, good, sorry for the slow response, I have been over at QOTD. Post more, its good to see you.

Bmore on March 20, 2012 at 12:00 AM

~~~

Thanks, I am getting more post-y! I always enjoy your posts, so keep em coming!

ellifint on March 20, 2012 at 12:23 AM

I was hoping Lori would die. She is due, hopefully she gets it in the prison like in the novel.
Rode Werk on March 19, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Oh joy! Thanks! Can’t wait… seriously. KIll that skinny, whiney, beeatch!

Mr_Magoo on March 20, 2012 at 12:25 AM

Group of unlikable people still alive, still unlikable

Allah, you’re *supposed* to hate the zombie fodder.

Horror needs idiot characters who “go in the basement” when they hear a noise, i.e., generally screw things up.

JHB on March 20, 2012 at 12:27 AM

The fact that everyone is infected and goes zombie when they die creates an obvious problem. If anyone dies of natural causes in their sleep (like Hershel, because he’s old) they will wake up as a zombie and the others are easy targets as they sleep.

Mark1971 on March 19, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Great point! We’re going to have to put one cuff on Hershel when he goes to sleep. He can have one hand free and keep his shotgun by his side in case walkers come by.

shannon76 on March 20, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Lourdes on March 20, 2012 at 12:10 AM

The Governor has already been cast, and he is neither Morgan or Merle. Merle is unique to the series and Morgan eventually returns in the comics but there has been no indication that Lennie James has been called back to play Morgan in the series.

TinCanNav on March 20, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Oh, too bad, Lennie James as “Morgan” made quite an impact — very good actor especially in these “survival” situations.

And Merle, well, maybe he’s taken on added impact as a Swamp Spirit or thereabouts, if he’s in fact now gone over.

I know Merle has a lot of fans, he along with Morgan characters (as also the actors in those roles) really livened up the Series.

Lourdes on March 20, 2012 at 12:37 AM

I hated “Lori” in Prison Break. I hate her even more in this character. How much will I hate her in the new prison.

On the bright side, maybe Michael will be there and break them all out! But I digress…

Mr_Magoo on March 20, 2012 at 12:00 AM

So, it’s agreed then? The actress who plays Lori is just a really bad, annoying actress. She did the exact same thing on Prison Break too. The longing looks expressing nothing in particular, wasting time.

shannon76 on March 20, 2012 at 12:37 AM

Group of unlikable people still alive, still unlikable

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AP, I suspect you’re ready to switch to Team Zombie.

Gladtobehere on March 20, 2012 at 12:37 AM

The fact that everyone is infected and goes zombie when they die creates an obvious problem. If anyone dies of natural causes in their sleep (like Hershel, because he’s old) they will wake up as a zombie and the others are easy targets as they sleep.

Mark1971 on March 19, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Great point! We’re going to have to put one cuff on Hershel when he goes to sleep. He can have one hand free and keep his shotgun by his side in case walkers come by.

shannon76 on March 20, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Ha, thus explains, possibly, why Glenn wants to sleep alone?

Lourdes on March 20, 2012 at 12:38 AM

I really enjoy the show. I just acquired the comics, so I’ll be reading them this summer. As for enduring all the talking, married for 27 years, one learns that long periods of talking is always good foreplay for the really good stuff.

Zaire67 on March 20, 2012 at 12:39 AM

Walking Dead finale quote of the day…

Mr. Joe on March 20, 2012 at 12:49 AM

Who saved Andrea…?

Mr. Joe on March 20, 2012 at 12:50 AM

He wonders if what turns folks into “walkers” is not airborne.

Cindy Munford on March 19, 2012 at 10:54 PM

It’s caused by something atmospheric. Otherwise, not “all” humans would be affected as they ‘are’ in this story. So it’s gotta’ be something caused by something in the atmosphere since not “all” humans eat and drink (or wear, bathe in, etc.) the same environments.

Air – the atmosphere – is the only shared resource that everyone’s exposed to.

Lourdes on March 20, 2012 at 12:50 AM

Ahh, I have a mixed bag of agreement and disagreement with you guys but I like what a lot of you think. Here are some of my thoughts about what’s been said:

Daryl – The most valuable character in the group. However, Daryl is not a leader. He spent his whole youth following his brother. He could be strong as a loner, but he knows the loner road is death now. He’s a strong advisor on matters practical, however.

Rick – He’s not a perfect leader but he’s the best one they’ve got. The rest are followers and only Daryl and Andrea would be worth a alone. What’s he really going to do with the rest who want to play house and pretend everything’s okay? I don’t think he was totally straight with his wife about the Shane deal because he’s trying to evaluate where her loyalties lie.

Lori – If you watch the episodes leading up to this she pays a lot of lip service to “I’m behind what you think is right Rick” but it’s unconvincing. She seemed to be increasingly drawn to Shane’s ruthlessness in protecting her and the boy. Further, the drama between Shane and Rick helped keep her isolated in an emotional bubble from the reality of their situation.

The Kid – His acting out and insane isn’t really that far out since he’s at an age tough enough in normal conditions, plus, his mom and dad don’t seem to him like they care that much about what happens to him. Further, he doesn’t think his dad cares enough about his mom. I think the guys were right about him not pointing the gun at Rick last ep. b/c he wanted to kill him for killing shane.

Glenn – “Civilian.” When he confessed his love to what’sherpoop I thought a zombie was going to open the unlocked car door and start munching. It also seemed like he was going to blow his head off when he was handling his shotgun in the driver’s seat.

Shane – Too reckless to be a leader. He had the ruthlessness down but he wasn’t methodical enough in his thinking.

Hershel – Keep him around for his 12-gauge cornucopia.

I don’t blame the group for being distrusting of Rick and Shane. Either one of them will throw you to the zombie to save Lori.

Biggest mistake was leaving the ARs and esp. 50 cal at Jenner’s lab. The farm was extremely defensible as well. Problem is, the leaders (Rick and Shane) were too busy fighting over a “womb of questionable loyalty” to develop a plan.

WeekendAtBernankes on March 20, 2012 at 12:54 AM

I don’t know, haven’t the foggiest idea other than it’s obviously being premiered now as an introduction to what lies ahead. Maybe the helicopter/s is/are dropping hamburgers down and the Walkers are following their flying path… :)

Lourdes on March 20, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Them’s wasn’t hamburgers Lordy, those were magic shrooms.

Rovin on March 20, 2012 at 12:55 AM

Watched the episode tonight with my wife, who came to TWD a few episodes into this season (had to go back and watch the first season again, but that wasn’t hard to do…). Didn’t mind it, noticed the same things everyone else did (Herschel using idkfa for his shotgun, for instance) – but I did enjoy the episode.

Ready to see Michonne in action – I love that character. Was glad to see Patricia and Herschel’s son (what’s his name again? You know you’re glad to see them get eaten when you can’t even remember their names…) get eaten. Annoyed at both the Lori and Carl character. Everyone else…meh. At least Rick’s taking control “this isn’t a democracy anymore” is a good setup for Season 3.

As for the guns/ammo – how long has this been going on, a few months, at least. Long enough for scattered survivors to travel through places, scavenge (and be able to tell other people scavenged before THEM, too), and move on. After a while, the only places left which have large caches of weaponry or ammo will be in cities or military areas (overrun or not), as rural areas will be fairly well picked over by survivors (assuming population density of walkers is lower out of the cities, based on the idea there would be less people to turn and survivors would flee the cities as they fell).

You’d have a hard time to find a ‘safe’ area, simply because you’d always be under threat. With walkers now migrating out of the cities (in this case following the sound of a helicopter) – imagine a herd numbering, say, a few hundred thousand tromping along – you’d be hard pressed to defend something of any size depending on your resources.

If you’d rather have a better “zombie” experience than TWD, pick up a copy of “Day by Day Armageddon” or the more common “World War Z”. Loved DbDA, and WWz a little less.

Karthanon on March 20, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Merle comes back next season.

Michael Rooker – the actor – was talking about it this past weekend, somewhere. Safe to assume he’s in the prison.

budfox on March 20, 2012 at 12:57 AM

The final deluge made little sense to me. That’s always been the problem with zombie movies or shows. If you have the path out and the vehicle, burn what’s behind you and take off. The herd will walk into the fire. Driving around in circles, is just that.

budfox on March 20, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Merle comes back next season.

Michael Rooker – the actor – was talking about it this past weekend, somewhere. Safe to assume he’s in the prison.

budfox on March 20, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Great. The show’s producers would be nuts to exit his character, that actor, now.

Lourdes on March 20, 2012 at 1:04 AM

If you’d rather have a better “zombie” experience than TWD, pick up a copy of “Day by Day Armageddon” or the more common “World War Z”. Loved DbDA, and WWz a little less.

Karthanon on March 20, 2012 at 12:56 AM

World War Z is coming out soon! Brad Pitt is the lead.

The Notorious G.O.P on March 20, 2012 at 1:04 AM

He’s right, Carl did raise the gun before Shane reanimated. Watch the scene from last week’s episode

Heh. Either they are playing with your head, or incredibly stupid. Ususally it is a combination of both, which is why the head games are more challenging

One: When the zombie herd started its stampede through the farm, what exactly was the strategic point of driving around randomly and shooting at them? It was obvious pretty quickly that there were too many to kill. Why waste ammo and take needless risks in blasting a few instead of driving off?

Heh. Because stupid people make more complex stories. Zombies are a lower challenge than roaches. All the ammo in the world, and zombies move so slow you have to get your leg stuck in a combine for them to catch you.

Fourth and finally: Why are these people so willing to accept Rick as group leader? Shane was charismatic and had a survival-of-the-fittest ethos suitable for Zombieworld. You can imagine him as group leader, ruthless though he was. Rick is leader now basically by process of elimination:

You have just explained the Senate

entagor on March 20, 2012 at 1:04 AM

budfox on March 20, 2012 at 12:57 AM

That would be fine because I think the characters written for the prison in the books are way lame.

TinCanNav on March 20, 2012 at 1:23 AM

If I were in this group, I would stick close to Darryl and try to get T-Dog and Glen to come along because they all have proven their use. No way will I be a human shield for Rick’s pregnant wife who seems to hate her husband and can’t keep track of her own son. You’re on your own Rick.

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Daemonocracy on March 19, 2012 at 11:00 PM

That’s pretty much my view as well.

Wendya on March 20, 2012 at 1:41 AM

Glenn – “Civilian.” When he confessed his love to what’sherpoop I thought a zombie was going to open the unlocked car door and start munching. It also seemed like he was going to blow his head off when he was handling his shotgun in the driver’s seat.

I know. I was thinking the same thing. “Yikes! Be careful with that shotgun!”

Dongemaharu on March 20, 2012 at 1:43 AM

You’d have a hard time to find a ‘safe’ area, simply because you’d always be under threat. With walkers now migrating out of the cities (in this case following the sound of a helicopter) – imagine a herd numbering, say, a few hundred thousand tromping along – you’d be hard pressed to defend something of any size depending on your resources.

The ideal really would be to create a “castle”. High walls (ideally made of concrete, brick). Maybe add a moat.

shannon76 on March 20, 2012 at 1:55 AM

I don’t get why they are planning on a road trip right away. The zombie hoard will take out the cattle at the farm, but when there’s nothing left to eat they will amble off. With a little prep, you could even lead them off in one direction with the bike, and when far enough away, shut the engine, load it in the truck, and circle back around. The zombies will continue in the direction of the sound, even after it’s gone, just like the helicopter, right?

I would at least give that plan a shot before deserting the farm altogether.

Adjoran on March 20, 2012 at 2:03 AM

The farm is not defensible, it never was.

No natural terrain obstacles for at least half the year. The terrain is open over more than half of the approaches to the house itself. Simply cattle fences are not enough of a barrier to a swarm of a few thousand zombies.

catmman on March 20, 2012 at 2:17 AM

There’s a lot wrong with the show. That’s for sure. But, the last two or three episodes had a lot more to them. Maybe its because they actually took some steps to show that they are inquisitive and wondering about the infection, etc. Plus, more zombies…

Speaking of infections, I can’t figure this out. Maybe you all can help? I don’t understand the point with the death of Jenner’s wife. She was also a researcher at the CDC. It seemed she wanted to be killed to they could research how the infection spread to the brain, I guess. But why did she need to “sacrifice” herself? Especially when they knew everyone was already infected. Seems like they could strap someone else down who had been bitten or was terminal from some other disease.

And, speaking of being bitten… I’m confused. Does a bite not cause you to turn to a Z? Or, is it death? If they’re already infected, why would a bite do anything? Andrea’s sister’s death and turning into a Z makes no sense because her wounds weren’t life threatening.

Maybe it will get explained later…

Neo-con Artist on March 20, 2012 at 2:44 AM

Cool show. You’re insane. And I hope a zombie eats your stinky face

Opinionnation on March 20, 2012 at 2:44 AM

World War Z is coming out soon! Brad Pitt is the lead.

The Notorious G.O.P on March 20, 2012 at 1:04 AM

If what I’ve read about the plot changes is true… it’s gonna suck.

clancy_wiggum on March 20, 2012 at 2:46 AM

They could have secured the farm better by creating a fire zone around the house, maybe of oil or gasoline or something else flammable, creating a ring of fire around the house in an emergency. And if they were indeed planning on staying, yes, a tunnel would’ve been a nice idea. There were a few other things they could’ve done, but the writers kept throwing all sorts of shenanigans at them, like searching for Sophia, the zombies in the barn, Shane trouble, outside survivors trying to kill them, the old guy giving them grief, going off looking for people and getting in car wrecks, general bickering. There was always something. The writers had no intention of them to stay at the farm, so they made their border security weak and gave them too many distractions to fortify better.

As far as everyone driving around shooting zombies, it seemed they were trying to buy time for everyone else to follow or get free, imo.

Dongemaharu on March 20, 2012 at 3:04 AM

They could have secured the farm better by creating a fire zone around the house, maybe of oil or gasoline or something else flammable, creating a ring of fire around the house in an emergency. And if they were indeed planning on staying, yes, a tunnel would’ve been a nice idea. There were a few other things they could’ve done, but the writers kept throwing all sorts of shenanigans at them, like searching for Sophia, the zombies in the barn, Shane trouble, outside survivors trying to kill them, the old guy giving them grief, going off looking for people and getting in car wrecks, general bickering. There was always something. The writers had no intention of them to stay at the farm, so they made their border security weak and gave them too many distractions to fortify better.

As far as everyone driving around shooting zombies, it seemed they were trying to buy time for everyone else to follow or get free, imo.

Dongemaharu on March 20, 2012 at 3:04 AM

Not a good idea: fire-zone around the house (on the farm).

For these obvious reasons:

– fire zone would immediately attract all the Zombies/Walkers from just about everywhere (we already know that fire attracts them — also, Rick confirmed this in the last episode when he remarked about their campfire attracting them);

and,

– you’d have to continually then keep a fire going in that fire zone with all those zombies circling you just on the opposite side of the firezone; one small area goes out, in come the zombies.

Bad idea.

Lourdes on March 20, 2012 at 3:32 AM

Glenn – “Civilian.” When he confessed his love to what’sherpoop I thought a zombie was going to open the unlocked car door and start munching. It also seemed like he was going to blow his head off when he was handling his shotgun in the driver’s seat.

I know. I was thinking the same thing. “Yikes! Be careful with that shotgun!”

Dongemaharu on March 20, 2012 at 1:43 AM

My thoughts, too. I also was expecting zombies/walkers to break into the car while they were there exchanging “feelings” tales, and was relieved when that didn’t happen.

Lourdes on March 20, 2012 at 3:35 AM

There’s a lot wrong with the show. That’s for sure. But, the last two or three episodes had a lot more to them. Maybe its because they actually took some steps to show that they are inquisitive and wondering about the infection, etc. Plus, more zombies…

Speaking of infections, I can’t figure this out. Maybe you all can help? I don’t understand the point with the death of Jenner’s wife. She was also a researcher at the CDC. It seemed she wanted to be killed to they could research how the infection spread to the brain, I guess. But why did she need to “sacrifice” herself? Especially when they knew everyone was already infected. Seems like they could strap someone else down who had been bitten or was terminal from some other disease.

And, speaking of being bitten… I’m confused. Does a bite not cause you to turn to a Z? Or, is it death? If they’re already infected, why would a bite do anything? Andrea’s sister’s death and turning into a Z makes no sense because her wounds weren’t life threatening.

Maybe it will get explained later…

Neo-con Artist on March 20, 2012 at 2:44 AM

My guess is the body’s immune system can keep the virus at bay when you’re alive but when you die and your immune system shuts down the virus can do its thing. Bites might either inject a megadose of the virus that completely overwhelms the immune system or the bites might be fatal for some other yet-unknown reason.

I seem to remember Jenner saying his wife had been bitten and allowed the observation of her dying and coming back. How they managed to shoot her while she was still inside the MRI machine is another issue though..

alchemist19 on March 20, 2012 at 3:49 AM

Leave it to a lib like Allah to think leadership is about a propensity for violence.

rayra on March 20, 2012 at 4:46 AM

I still can’t get over that viewers like this show and rejected last year’s Rubicon. I’m just thankful that Mad Men is returning on Sunday and The Killing on the Sunday after that. Now, when do Breaking Bad and Hell on Wheels return?

Although you couln’t pay me to watch a show about zombies, AMC’s programming is tremendous.

BuckeyeSam on March 20, 2012 at 5:25 AM

Lourdes on March 20, 2012 at 3:32 AM

The zombies were walking

away

from the burning farm. And it can only attract what walkers that are already in the area. It’s not like they’d start coming in from all over the state. It’s an

emergency

measure to give them time to load up the cars or use a tunnel.

Dongemaharu on March 20, 2012 at 5:37 AM

… Now that’s what I call “emphasis.”

Dongemaharu on March 20, 2012 at 5:38 AM

Rick is leader now basically by process of elimination:

I don’t know if anyone watches The Talking Dead episode wrap-up with Chris Hardwick after the show was over, but he was talking to the writer/director/whatever, wherein they called this last episode the beginning of the “Ricktatorship,” insinuating that Rick is going to be a bit more Alpha Male (like Shane?) next season.

I do like Glenn’s character a lot, though. I think he symbolizes the way a lot of us would act in those situations – scared, unsure, etc. He has not proven terribly successful at zombie elimination until this last episode (and the one time he saved Maggie in the drug store), because of how.scared he was. As much as we’d like to think we’d fight till the very end to save our own lives, fear can be extremely debilitating.

conservalassie on March 20, 2012 at 5:45 AM

This show is worse than Cop Rock!

bs4948800 on March 20, 2012 at 5:47 AM

I wonder if they’re going to reintroduce “Morgan” in Season 3.

Morgan and Merle are the strongest characters, so far.

I can see either of them as the character called “the Governor,” who’ll appear in Season 3.

Lourdes on March 20, 2012 at 12:10 AM

When asked about Morgan, Merle, and Duane on the aftershow, the producers (Kirkman and Mazzarra) said that there is “a 100% chance that 33% of that group” will be featured next season.

Since the Governor has been cast and it’s not Rooker, it’s a fairly safe bet that the Merle character will be with the Governor’s group.

PetecminMd on March 20, 2012 at 6:31 AM

Allah, just wait until the baby is delivered.

Endless debates on cloth vs. disposable diapers.

As an aside, pick any forum, anywhere.

TWD threads are more interesting than the show.

roy_batty on March 20, 2012 at 7:09 AM

They could have secured the farm better by creating a fire zone around the house, maybe of oil or gasoline or something else flammable, creating a ring of fire around the house in an emergency. And if they were indeed planning on staying, yes, a tunnel would’ve been a nice idea…The writers had no intention of them to stay at the farm, so they made their border security weak and gave them too many distractions to fortify better.

Dongemaharu on March 20, 2012 at 3:04 AM

Hershel did say that the farm was surrounded by swamps and water, and the walkers couldn’t get in to the farm without getting stuck in the silt (like the two in ‘Pretty Much Dead Already’ and the one that killed Dale in ‘Judge Jury Executioner’). When they found the stuck walkers they’d go out and move them to the barn–Otis and Jimmy were patrolling the edges of the farm looking for stuck walkers, so there was at least a rudimentary defense.

Shane and Rick also talked about winter defenses, food, etc. for winter, as well as defenses when they were dealing with Randall. So it’s not like they were completely oblivious to this stuff, there just wasn’t a lot of talk about it.

PetecminMd on March 20, 2012 at 7:22 AM

i think the sl*t lori, should have her packsaddle fetus torn from her womb and eaten in front of her before she dies, really a silly character, a leftist whiner!

tm11999 on March 20, 2012 at 7:50 AM

There’s no way of telling if Carl raised his gun before Shane was reanimated, Allah. We see him raise his gun, then it cuts to Shane standing up. You don’t see what Carl sees when he raised his gun. He could have seen Shane beginning to get up before the camera switch to Shane bolting to a standing position.

jan3 on March 20, 2012 at 7:55 AM

Good that you are making your final comments post. I was thinking about it as I watched the episode Monday (tivo) My 15yr old son, who is the closest thing to a zombie killer expert since he was about eleven, just rolled his eyes and laughed out loud.

One- driving around killing random zombies in vehicles was stupid. What was the point, other than to get trapped and killed in your vehicle. Seriously, the kid driving the RV did great retrieving Rick and his idiot son, but why stop? Why not lock the freaking door to the RV?

Nothing drives a zombie purist nuts than bad writing to move the plot along.

Two- what was the idea behind standing in the yard? One would think being surrounded by zombies is bad enough, standing in the open so you could get surrounded is just plain dumb.

Three- These people are intelligent? How is it that we still have women running around the yard with no plan of escape? No weapons, no clubs, nothing other than screams and huddled panic?

You have fuel on the farm obviously, since every episode they seem to drive off in a sponsor’s vehicle to run around attracting attention. No real practicing on how to get out in an organized way. No time spent building defenses. Nope, just endless road trips. So why is it they run out of gas after about twenty miles or less? BAD WRITING

Four- Carl and Lori- Hate them. The kid is not a normal kid. You surround a kid with zombies a couple of times and he isn’t wandering off in the dark again- period.

As for Lori, pleeeease kill her off. She is going to get the whole crew bit. And if you’ll notice, that backstabbing “you know what” was pissed off at Rick that HE survived being killed by Shane. She wanted Shane to win. She’ll back the strong horse, because her only loyalty is to herself. Shallow, self-centered, manipulative- the typical “high maintenance” woman.

Rick is okay as leader. He has a strong personality and the clarity to realize that being split up will get everyone killed quickly. However, his tactical skills suck. Would it not been a better idea to have one vehicle lead the pack away while the rest of the crew go dark in the house until the pack left? You would think five miles down the road, pull away from the pack slowly as it heads away from the farm, and then circle back.

As anyone, on this farm full of equipment, thought to armor up one or two vehicles? Things like cover the windows with mesh or wire to prevent zombies from breaking the glass? Heck, I could to that with material in my garage from Home Depot! (Maybe they can be a sponsor next season and we can finally see someone welding or bolting something together!)

As for too much talking, ahem brother, ahem… In real life the angst that is written into every conversation would have died out long ago. The daily talks would be about moving forward, building or doing things to make the group more survivable, finding food and water, creating “bug out” kits so that when they do have to leave they won’t have the “we have no water, no food, no fuel” conversations.

Idiots.

Glad its done for the season.

archer52 on March 20, 2012 at 8:16 AM

Cool show. You’re insane. And I hope a zombie eats your stinky face

Opinionnation on March 20, 2012 at 2:44 AM

/thread

We know you hate this show AP. So how about stop posting on it. We see enough negativity from the MSM everyday; don’t need to see it about a cool show.

LaughterJones on March 20, 2012 at 8:32 AM

Allah, the fact is that when Carl raises the gun, we cannot see if Shane is starting to reanimate, he is laying on the ground out of the scene. He could in fact be twitching and drooling, alarming Carl enough for him to raise his gun.

As for the people being boring–if they were so completely boring, why are people watching the show? Obviously someone is off base here–is it you or the other 8,999,999?

I agree that driving around shooting the zombies is a bit far fetched, but remember that the people get separated to a degree, and you basically contradict yourself on this, since the alternative is to go into the farmhouse and that is a static environment that you deplore.

It is obvious that the group is making a last gasp attempt to shield their safe haven, and this is borne out via Hershel, who basically has to be pulled away to safety.

As for next season, and the prison, remember that bad people are in prisons, and likely quite a few remain. Further, the size of the prison is HUGE. This will mean that conflicts can happen all over, and zombies can break in and raise havoc from time to time. It will not be the placid place that the farm was, but rather a small town of conflict, bad people, zombies, with Michonne cutting off heads left and right. And let’s not forget that Merle will surely return at some point, and will do what Merle does.

If you think that sounds boring, then I can’t help you;)

darkmetal on March 20, 2012 at 8:43 AM

Idiots.

Glad its done for the season.

archer52 on March 20, 2012 at 8:16 AM

The show smacks of liberal mindset and clueless behavior everywhere you turn. The writers seem to think that is truly how people would act or, it’s how they would act. They’ve had multiple opportunities to upgun & upvehicle & still, Dale runs around with a scoped rifle at night as his go-to & crappy SUV-lites on gas are the order of the day. And the farm? It looks like they are still mowing the front yard rather than putting up a palisade. Heck, even the tiny first settlements in US did that. My only remaining question since I’ve not read it is, was The Walking Dead comic this lame?

roy_batty on March 20, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Besided Darryl, the only ones I am rooting for are the Walkers…to eat Rick, the idiot he married, and the kid….. The rest deserve to get eaten for following Sherriff Clueless like ignorant sheep.

thmsmgnm on March 20, 2012 at 8:51 AM

That’s pretty much my view as well.

Wendya on March 20, 2012 at 1:41 AM

Excellent, I got wendya with me, things looking up.

Falling Skies is much better with this survivalism than The Walking Dead, and the new season should be starting this summer.

Daemonocracy on March 20, 2012 at 8:59 AM

As for Lori, pleeeease kill her off. She is going to get the whole crew bit. And if you’ll notice, that backstabbing “you know what” was pissed off at Rick that HE survived being killed by Shane. She wanted Shane to win. She’ll back the strong horse, because her only loyalty is to herself. Shallow, self-centered, manipulative- the typical “high maintenance” woman.

Archer, you are soooo right. I took this the same way, and we saw Lori’s lingering “hunger” for Shane as she manipulates him after returning from the fight with Rick, basically saying their relationship was good while it lasted, but it was over now. This should have been a speech she gave the minute that Rick returned, not at this point. It’s intent was to tell Shane, “Do it if you want me”.

Remember that before this, Lori purrs to Rick that “He needs to do something about Shane” after Shane tells her that their time together was “the best she’s ever had” and Lori stands in silence. This prompts the first fight, but remarkably Shane can’t get the job done, and Rick refuses to leave Shane to the zombies.

I agree, she thought that a Shane vs Rick conflict would end in Rick being killed, and she could get back to the exciting sex with Shane once again. Typical bad boy syndrome.

Her facial expression as Rick told her he was forced to kill Shane was great acting. It was a deflation and terror of a woman who had lost her true love. And when Rick reaches out to her to quell his pain–she recoils in disgust. He was the monster, not Shane. A “wife” would say she understood, that it was unavoidable, and quieted his heart. Lori does none of this, her plan had been reversed.

darkmetal on March 20, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Filmed in Georgia. It says in the credits. They might even get a tax break for doing there as anywhere can look like anywhere.

tjexcite on March 19, 2012 at 10:38 PM

obviously never been to detriot….

t8stlikchkn on March 20, 2012 at 9:03 AM

I h8 zombies. Always will. Why, oh why do they refuse to eat each other?
Is it the taste? The smell?
Are they all liberals?
Did they all go to zombie school together?
I mean, what’s the deal?

Never read the comic series that this show is based on, so what’s up with the grim reaper and the 2 armless zombies on a chain?

(I love it when Hollywierd writes lines about something they know zilch about just to score a cheap throwaway opinion on it, re: Herschel’s comment about “The Resurrection of the Dead”- But keep it up guys, it reveals your true ignorant colors.)

OkieDoc on March 20, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Falling Skies is much better with this survivalism than The Walking Dead, and the new season should be starting this summer.

Daemonocracy on March 20, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Falling Skies was a complete surprise to me.

Good stuff, very happy it got another season.

roy_batty on March 20, 2012 at 9:05 AM

i request a combination season 3 premiere of WD and series finale of the dumb*ss comic show that usually comes on after. have those dorks eaten in season 3 premiere before the credits. please.

t8stlikchkn on March 20, 2012 at 9:19 AM

The show smacks of liberal mindset and clueless behavior everywhere you turn

So now giving your Son a gun is part of the “Liberal mindset”?

I agree that Dale was a Liberal, and probably so is Lori for the most part.

The others vary:

Darryl? Heck no, he is a Conservative. He has a code of strength, which is why he tells Carol, “Rick has honor”. He understands that although Rick is struggling, he has much the same code as he does.

Carl? He is becoming more Conservative by the day, despite a dislike of many for him for being stupid at times. He shoots Shane, rather than simply trying to “work it out” between Rick and Shane, typical Liberal behavior, even thought Shane was zombified. A Liberal child would not have been able to shoot zombie Shane, he would only think of him as he was during his life.

Hershel? He is a strong religious Conservative. He is deluded at first, via his religion, thinking that God would not allow such a blight on humanity, but admits in the last episode that Jesus said he would reanimate the dead, but didn’t think it would be like this. Now he is pragmatic, he knows that the dead are dead, and God is not always kind–this is a test on the living.

Shane was not a Liberal, he was an Ayn Rand Conservative–he wanted what he wanted, and it was only for himself. He did not think about the group past his own needs, period.

Glenn? He starts out more Liberal, but is not overtly so. He agrees that killing the kid would probably be best for the group. And his honor for Hershel keeps him from sharing a room with Maggie. A Liberal (Or perhaps an Ayn Rand Conservative) would have simply gone for it.

Carol? She IS a Liberal. She allowed herself to abused by her husband, never thinking about herself. She does see the good in Daryl, but at times it is more because he reminds her of her dead husband. He is about to strike her at one point, and she simply closes her eyes and gets ready for the smack–he wants Daryl to replace her hb as her master. She misunderstands Rick, and tries to get Daryl to leave the group with her, and Daryl will have none of it.

Merle? He is part of the Ayn Rand camp of Conservatives. He is there for himself, you are either there to help him get what he wants or you are a roadblock that he will try to smash.

Michonne (the shadowy sword-weilding female badass)–I highly doubt she will be a Liberal. She does tote around her brother and fiancee on chains for somewhat sentimental reasons, but also as a method to move among zombies. And it should be noted that she cut off their arms and made them unable to attack her–not something a Liberal would do. And we know that any woman who prefers a samurai sword for the tactile feel of slicing undead flesh is probably not a Liberal.

darkmetal on March 20, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Never read the comic series that this show is based on, so what’s up with the grim reaper and the 2 armless zombies on a chain?

OK, nm went back and read about Michonne.

OkieDoc on March 20, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Never read the comic series that this show is based on, so what’s up with the grim reaper and the 2 armless zombies on a chain?

dude, if ya dont have time to read 80 cominc books, why not just go to the wiki page ok? you’ll get it all framed out for ya there. takes 10 mins and your set. i would love having you on my zombie fighting team. “hey, which end of the gun points TO the zombie again?”

t8stlikchkn on March 20, 2012 at 9:31 AM

He’s right, Carl did raise the gun before Shane reanimated. Watch the scene from last week’s episode. At first I thought maybe Carl simply anticipated Shane reanimating and wanted to be in a position to shoot, but no, that can’t be. Carl didn’t find out until last night that everyone reanimates upon death whether they’ve been bitten or not. And he didn’t know how Shane died, so what reason did he have at the time to think a zombie did it? Or maybe the idea is that he concluded a zombie must have done it because he couldn’t imagine his pop knifing Shane in the gut?

You are making a big deal out of this, but the answer was obvious when I first saw it. Rick was covered in blood and on top of Shane with his face close to him as he was saying “you did this.” Carl thought his dad was a zombie, obviously. When his dad started talking Carl slowly realized he was not a zombie. The kid was probably in shock thinking that his dad was a zombie.

jeffn21 on March 20, 2012 at 9:32 AM

T8–look up, he said he just read what I wrote about Michonne. Not everyone is searching the internet for facts about the characters–lighten up.

darkmetal on March 20, 2012 at 9:33 AM

jeffn21–you make a good point, that is also possible.

Or it could be as I theorized–Carl can see Shane starting to reanimate off screen, and was readying himself to shoot him if he stood up and walked toward Rick.

darkmetal on March 20, 2012 at 9:35 AM

So now giving your Son a gun is part of the “Liberal mindset”?

darkmetal on March 20, 2012 at 9:21 AM

“Here you go Carl, here’s an adult-sized handgun for your child-size hands. Be careful that it doesn’t go off.”

The extent of what passes for firearms proclivity on TWD.

roy_batty on March 20, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Right, didn’t anyone see DAWN OF THE DEAD?

Stay away from those islands, a contained area from whence one is too easily a captive victim.

Lourdes on March 20, 2012 at 12:16 AM

Dawn of the Dead (The remake not the cheesy 70′s version) is in my mind what every zombie movie should be. It is the standard for great zombie horror.

jeffn21 on March 20, 2012 at 9:40 AM

AP, if you haven’t already, you should absolutely read the graphic novels to see how good the storyline is.

Michonne’s appearance was terrific.

I look forward to seeing the Governor next season, but wonder how much of the storyline with him can be effectively adapted for tv. It is intense material.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on March 20, 2012 at 9:42 AM

My biggest fear is that Michonne is going to be too comic book and not enough realism. What I have liked about the show is that these are normal people, not super heroes. It’s fine if she is tough and great with a sword, but if she walks up a wall or does any stunts where IRL she is wearing the cables so that she can flip in mid-air, then the show will be lost.

jeffn21 on March 20, 2012 at 9:43 AM

I thought Carl raised his gun because he thought his dad might be a walker. He was covered in blood, and walking weird, and coming towards him. He then speaks, and in the background Shane starts to get up. Carl might have been scared and pissed that his dad killed Shane…but I got the vibe that he was scared of his dad, unsure if he had become a walker.

sarainitaly on March 20, 2012 at 9:47 AM

darkmetal on March 20, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Excellent summary of the philosophical character of each of the characters.

Also, add in a large dose of despair and a bit of madness to each one of them. Anyone facing that kind of complete loss of everything they had ever known replaced by such a horrifying world would be a bit crazy at the very least.

fadetogray on March 20, 2012 at 9:50 AM

i would love having you on my zombie fighting team. “hey, which end of the gun points TO the zombie again?”

t8stlikchkn on March 20, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Evidently, you haven’t seen this-

http://zombieshootersassociation.com/zombie-infection-has-spread-to-tulsa-ok-at-us-shooting-academy-and-zombie-shooters-association-is-joining-the-fight/

i don’t do wiki unless some dweeb posts it.

OkieDoc on March 20, 2012 at 9:52 AM

I thought Carl raised his gun because he thought his dad might be a walker. He was covered in blood, and walking weird, and coming towards him. He then speaks, and in the background Shane starts to get up. Carl might have been scared and pissed that his dad killed Shane…but I got the vibe that he was scared of his dad, unsure if he had become a walker.

sarainitaly on March 20, 2012 at 9:47 AM

That is as good an explanation as any I’ve seen on that “discrepancy”.

roy_batty on March 20, 2012 at 9:52 AM

i don’t do wiki unless some dweeb posts it.

OkieDoc on March 20, 2012 at 9:52 AM

was just mnessing with ya.

ok, let me know if this is rediculous: some people have been tlaking to me about the fact that the big reveal was everyone is infected. and that you dont need to be bitten to turn. ok, i just assumed that. there had to be a patient 0 correct? who was obviously not bitten. the first one. so there must be something that causes the turning upon death, any death. now perhaps i have seen too many z movies. i have seen them all. even the italian ones form the 70s/80s. oh man, the one with the zombie fighting the shark underwater; clasic. but i digress. almost every prototypical z movie has death, simple death, any death creating zombies. dawn of the dead. the original night had that premise. i believe it was sunspots in night of. the point being in almost all z movies since the beginning of time (1968?) the was no bite required. i assumed that since day 1 in WD. so all this hubub about everyone has the virus and you dont need a bite totally caught me by surprise. i had no idea that was even an issue. is anyone at all out there in the same boat? or am i totally clueless.

t8stlikchkn on March 20, 2012 at 10:26 AM

I watched the last 3 episodes. Nice Sunday night diversion since Dexter isn’t on right now but I won’t go out of my way to watch next season.

Allah, you should watch “Justified” for some excellent not-so-random shooting.

Brat on March 20, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Dawn of the Dead (The remake not the cheesy 70′s version) is in my mind what every zombie movie should be. It is the standard for great zombie horror.

jeffn21 on March 20, 2012 at 9:40 AM

i have to disagree. the original is not really cheesy. romero was making some subtle points thru-out that movie. and it was hilarious. now, i was 17 when it came out. it was actually the first (betamax) movie i ever had. i got it as a christmas gift. it has a special place in my heart, so i am biased here; admitted. back in its day, when it came out, it was hands down the most advanced special effects ever. it was a break thru. savini is and was a genius. the next one like that in similar genre (discountng the star treks and star wars which are a dif genre) was the original ‘the thing’. in its day, when it came out, was a break thru. amazing spec effects.

t8stlikchkn on March 20, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Allah, you should watch “Justified” for some excellent not-so-random shooting.

Brat on March 20, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Justified? Allah couldn’t handle Justified!

Best thing on TV since Deadwood.

cozmo on March 20, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Why do the whiny, skinny women (who still have a good haircut!) always get to live? And while we are at it, the short-haired woman whose daughter was a walker – kill her!! and THANK YOU GOD Hershel is gone! Now he can look for humanity int he afterlife…

I like the show, but it reminds me of “Lost” where even more skinny whiny chicks got to live and more interesting people got killed off. Goes to show that even in “innovative” the formulas are all the same…

exliberal on March 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM

i have to disagree. the original is not really cheesy. romero was making some subtle points thru-out that movie. and it was hilarious. now, i was 17 when it came out. it was actually the first (betamax) movie i ever had. i got it as a christmas gift. it has a special place in my heart, so i am biased here; admitted. back in its day, when it came out, it was hands down the most advanced special effects ever. it was a break thru. savini is and was a genius. the next one like that in similar genre (discountng the star treks and star wars which are a dif genre) was the original ‘the thing’. in its day, when it came out, was a break thru. amazing spec effects.

t8stlikchkn on March 20, 2012 at 10:37 AM

I liked the original and was excited when the new one came out. But it was hilarious. The scenes that always cracked me up was how the 2 main guys would dodge the zombies. The blond guy even head-butted one in the parking lot, LOL. It was a little before my time. I first saw it on TV in my mid 20′s. I loved it, but I never took it serious as a horror film.

Of course honorable mention was Zombieland. It may be that I went in with extremely low expectations, but I thought that was hilarious.

jeffn21 on March 20, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Of course honorable mention was Zombieland. It may be that I went in with extremely low expectations, but I thought that was hilarious.

jeffn21 on March 20, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Cardio & double-tap, all you need to know.

roy_batty on March 20, 2012 at 10:58 AM

THANK YOU GOD Hershel is gone! Now he can look for humanity int he afterlife.

exliberal on March 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM

You mean Dale.

roy_batty on March 20, 2012 at 11:00 AM

The ideal really would be to create a “castle”. High walls (ideally made of concrete, brick). Maybe add a moat.

shannon76 on March 20, 2012 at 1:55 AM

And barbed wire, didn’t Hershele have cows? Cattle fencing is always barbed wirejust so the herd won’t push through. Also, surely the herds would move out of the towns, cites, and military bases after all living humans were eaten, so why not investigated and look for machine guns and grenades? Moats with spikes would work as well. There’s a million low tech ways to defend themselves, Molotov cocktails jump to mind. These people are too dumb to live – and yet I still watch…..

Ann NY on March 20, 2012 at 11:00 AM

was the original ‘the thing’. in its day, when it came out, was a break thru. amazing spec effects.

t8stlikchkn on March 20, 2012 at 10:37 AM

If you mean The Thing that came out in the early 80′s, that’s a remake of a 50′s SF film. And yes, the FX are great in it. I bought it awhile back and my jaded 17YO son & I watched it. He thought it was one of the most horrific films he’d seen. Ridley Scott even cited it for the animatronic work. The film Prometheus supposedly uses green screen sparingly and animatronics wherever possible. Scott commented that there is no way you can get good reactions from actors thinking about what something vs. having it right in front of them…trying to tear their face off.

roy_batty on March 20, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Is T-dog the character Tyreese? If so he shows no resemblence to the comic.

mechkiller_k on March 20, 2012 at 11:09 AM

And barbed wire, didn’t Hershele have cows? Cattle fencing is always barbed wirejust so the herd won’t push through. Also, surely the herds would move out of the towns, cites, and military bases after all living humans were eaten, so why not investigated and look for machine guns and grenades? Moats with spikes would work as well. There’s a million low tech ways to defend themselves, Molotov cocktails jump to mind. These people are too dumb to live – and yet I still watch…..

Ann NY on March 20, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Yep. Their reaction runs completely counter to how people would act. It would be Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs in the correct order from the bottom-up, not philosophical monologues on losing one’s humanity from somewhere in the middle.

roy_batty on March 20, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Can we talk about how downright irritating Lori has gotten?

A few weeks ago, she basically tells Rick to kill Shane.

She then tells Shane the baby could be his — setting him off on his little “I’m gonna kill Rick in the woods” plan.

Rick then HAS to kill Shane and –

Lori gets pissed! It was her fault from at least two directions! I’m beyond done with her…

HomerS3 on March 19, 2012 at 10:27 PM

A friend of mine was married to a woman like this. Always trying to get some kind of confict going between her husband and anyone else for some reason. Did not matter if it was a friend or a stranger. My wife and I gave the marrage 6 months. It lasted 13.

mechkiller_k on March 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM

If you’d rather have a better “zombie” experience than TWD, pick up a copy of “Day by Day Armageddon” or the more common “World War Z”. Loved DbDA, and WWz a little less.

Karthanon on March 20, 2012 at 12:56 AM

“Uprising USA”, by George Hill
and the follow-up books.

Solaratov on March 20, 2012 at 11:17 AM

roy_batty on March 20, 2012 at 11:05 AM

indeed, i totally forgot about the orignal original. now THAT was funny. i actually read the short story before i saw the 50s one on TV when i was a kid. i think it was called “is anyone there” something along those lines. when i saw the movie it reinded me of the short story but i was never sure if it was based on the story. the 50s movier had to take some plot liberties i imagine due the spec effects limitations.

so, ROY, what would be your favorite r scott movie?

and have you really seen things we people wouldnt believe?

t8stlikchkn on March 20, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Enough of this already, AP.

I hereby sentence you to three weeks of Lawrence Welk show reruns.

dissent555 on March 20, 2012 at 11:19 AM

roy_batty – Yes, I meant Dale. Sorry about that!!! I like Hershel. Dale is the old white guy version of Lori…

exliberal on March 20, 2012 at 11:28 AM

…so all this hubub about everyone has the virus and you dont need a bite totally caught me by surprise. i had no idea that was even an issue. is anyone at all out there in the same boat? or am i totally clueless.

t8stlikchkn on March 20, 2012 at 10:26 AM

A bite or scratch hastens your death and eventual rise as a walker (as seen from the first episode where Morgan speak to Rick about his wife’s death).

The idea that the viral infection is in everyone (and thus you don’t need a bite/scratch to become infected) isn’t out of the ordinary – the virus would have to be airborne to infect everyone (I would think it would be a weaker version of the same virus). Consider that it’s similar to the herpes simplex virus – it sits dormant in the a nerve ganglion until times of stress, at which point it comes out until it’s fought off by the immune system again. The immune system keeps the zombie virus in check until death, at which point the immune system is gone and it can take over.

I would guess then that people with weakened immune systems would be compromised faster, then, and would not need a scratch or bite nor would need to ‘die’ first to be revived, and would instead just suffer the fever/death that normal people do when bit.

Huh, too much thought on this. Oh, well, back to work on the Zombie Contingency Plan…

Karthanon on March 20, 2012 at 11:28 AM

I disagree with Allah’s basic thesis about the people all being unlikable.

Sure, they are all flawed, but the only really intensely unlikable one left alive is Lori. I give the kid a pass. If you had Carl’s mother when you were a kid, you’d be messed up, too, even before the whole End Of The World And A Monster Around Every Corner thing. And he got shot and almost died. And all the other kids are dead.

And Carol just lost her daughter.

I expect more annoying characters to appear or reappear (Merle) next season, but that is not a negative for the show. There are a lot of really annoying people in real life, even when you don’t count the Democrats.

fadetogray on March 20, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Stay away from those islands, a contained area from whence one is too easily a captive victim.

Lourdes on March 20, 2012 at 12:16 AM

But in island that doesn’t have any road access, one that’s completely cut off from other land masses, would be safe, wouldn’t it? You’d need to take a boat or plane to the mainland for supplies, but you could make that work. The zombies can’t be everywhere at all times.

hawksruleva on March 20, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Huh, too much thought on this. Oh, well, back to work on the Zombie Contingency Plan…

Karthanon on March 20, 2012 at 11:28 AM

I’m thinking your team has to have a pilot, a doctor, a mechanic, and at least one experienced hunter/killer. The Walking Dead’s group lost their mechanic – though maybe Herschel can do that as well as providing medical care. He seems pretty darned versatile.

hawksruleva on March 20, 2012 at 12:10 PM

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