Holder in 1995: We have to “brainwash” people against guns

posted at 11:00 am on March 19, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

If you wanted to “really brainwash” people against guns, how would you go about it? Ask people to start buying anti-gun ads to combat what some might see as a pro-gun bias in entertainment (skipping MacGyver, of course). What if that didn’t work? Well, if you got a chance to be Attorney General, you might order ATF operations designed to put American gun stores in the worst possible light. Breitbart.com unearthed C-SPAN video of Eric Holder in 1995 when Holder served as US Attorney for Washington DC in the Clinton-era Department of Justice, talking about the need to “brainwash” Americans into becoming hostile to gun rights:

Holder was addressing the Woman’s National Democratic Club. In his remarks, broadcast by CSPAN 2, he explained that he intended to use anti-smoking campaigns as his model to “change the hearts and minds of people in Washington, DC” about guns.

“What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that it’s not acceptable, it’s not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we changed our attitudes about cigarettes.”

Holder added that he had asked advertising agencies in the nation’s capital to assist by making anti-gun ads rather than commercials “that make me buy things that I don’t really need.” He had also approached local newspapers and television stations, he said, asking them to devote prime space and time, respectively, to his anti-gun campaign.

How well did that work? On one hand, very well; Washington DC continues to have one of the most restrictive gun-control laws in the nation. On the other … not so well. DC also has one of the highest rates of gun violence in the nation, too. Most people would conclude that gun-control laws don’t really work as intended, and that perhaps disarming law-abiding citizens is counterproductive. But that would be rational, and Holder wanted to conduct “brainwashing,” which is the least rational form of argument possible short of force.

There is a big difference between guns and crime. One is merely a tool that can be used for many purposes; the other is a conscious decision to commit an act against the community that violates the laws we have put into place by common consent. If Holder wanted to conduct an educational effort to stop violence, he’d be much better off going after the latter than the former. Unfortunately, Holder has focused on the tools rather than on the crimes, and given this statement of principles, it’s easy to see how Operation Fast and Furious occurred. The need to “brainwash” people against guns certainly would explain the attempt by the ATF to demonize American gun stores in order to get people to acquiesce to more government control over sales.

Update: The Right Sphere notes Media Matters’ furious pushback, which argues that linking Holder’s statements in 1995 to the debacle of OF&F is somehow “hysterical.” Guns were illegal at the time in DC, they argue, which, er, everyone already knows — and knew at the time, too. And yet gun violence wasn’t going away even with those unconstitutional gun bans in place, which is why Holder as a public official called for “really brainwashing” people into anti-gun positions while serving as US Attorney. Given what we know of OF&F under the ultimate authority of Holder, it’s really not difficult to see it as an attempt to paint American gun stores as evil enablers of Mexican drug cartels in order to build political strength for more gun-control laws. And in fact, we know that ATF officials discussed that very outcome as part of OF&F.

Update II: Mary Chastain reminds us that Democrats in the House and Senate also used OF&F as a platform for their calls for greater gun control.


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To persuade people to accept their vision for a better society, to build broad consensus and to use imagery and rhetoric to achieve those goals.

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Propaganda is so Goebbels.

Resist We Much on March 19, 2012 at 11:45 AM

I know you know this. So are you a liar or just stupid?

angryed on March 19, 2012 at 11:39 AM

I suspect both.

VegasRick on March 19, 2012 at 11:46 AM

While it’s not a nothingburger, it does sound like he’s addressing black youth gun crime.

If someone has the link to the full speech, that would clear things up.

budfox on March 19, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Mitt Romney banned guns while gov of MA. It’s incredible how alike he is to Obama.

angryed on March 19, 2012 at 11:28 AM

And ObamneyCare, “pro-choice”, and gay marriage, and, and …
Hell will freeze over before I vote for that Great Clips commercial.
(lousy haircut, btw. the stepford wife needs lessons)
~(Ä)~)

Karl Magnus on March 19, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Before I proceed I just want to be clear. Your argument is that people who make guns easily available to violent individuals are responsible for the acts of violence those individuals commit?

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Let’s go further. A man who discusses brainwashing people about guns becomes the Attorney General. He initiates a program that walks guns to drug dealers by threatening honest gun dealers with the punishment of the FBI. Dealers are forced to sell these guns which are ultimately used in the deaths of hundreds, including the death of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Does this help clear it up?

itsspideyman on March 19, 2012 at 11:49 AM

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Deflect, take it out of context, distort, then deflect again. Then, when all else fails: War on women/minorities/the gheys/99%.

We know your playbook.

JDF123 on March 19, 2012 at 11:49 AM

To persuade people to accept their vision for a better society, to build broad consensus and to use imagery and rhetoric to achieve those goals.

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Spoken like a true tyrant. In better days, politicians espousing such ideals would be tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail. Things were so much better for freedom back then.

I miss such times, and hope for a return to them someday.

SilverDeth on March 19, 2012 at 11:49 AM

What’s the logical difference between organizing the illegal sale and purchase of heroin or cocaine in an attempt to figure out the full extent of an organized crime syndicate?
libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Sure, I’ll take that one, pudley. First, organizing the illegal sale of a legal product–a firearm, is different than organizing the illegal sale of an illegal product. Why? Because the end result is to turn a legal product, into an illegal one. Next, failing to interdict the contraband at the end user level under the false pretense of “finding out the full extent” of the organization pretty much unravels the false pretense, don’t you think?

If the end result of OF&F appears more inclined to gun control, rather than drug cartel interdiction, then the original pretense you stated must largely be shown to be incorrect on its face.

Put some ice on that.

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 11:50 AM

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Seriously? That’s your take on F&F? You really need to pull your head out of the sand. F&F had nothing to do with exposing Cartels (apparently, you buy the window dressing hook, line, and sinker). It did, however, have everything in the world to do with supporting Holder’s misguided notion that the 2nd amendment should be repealed.

The right is incredibly lame for making this a gun rights issue. This is a War on Drugs issue.

This better fits your narrative, of course. Maybe you should educate yourself on reality.

VietVet_Dave on March 19, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Holder said it so it must be true.

The Brainwashing never stops.

Even the trolls are helping.

TimBuk3 on March 19, 2012 at 11:52 AM

I know you know this. So are you a liar or just stupid?

angryed on March 19, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Both. He has demonstrated an unhealthy attachment to tired and busted liberal talking points in other threads and has suffered the intellectual beatdown he deserved for being so hackish.

He won’t address the fact that the most violent cities in the US have the most strict gun laws, or that states that have liberalized gun laws saw a reduction in violent crimes. Instead he’ll probably regurgitate the busted liberal talking point that reducing restrictions on guns will turn the nation into the fictionalized wild west of Hollywood.

NotCoach on March 19, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Brainwashing won’t work. He knows that by now. The only way they can disarm the law abiding public is with official registration lists and seizure. More restrictive laws on guns or ammo will eventually lead to a black market. I don’t think it can be done, but, then I look at post-Katrina New Orleans.

a capella on March 19, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Stop. Just stop. If you ask people to actually think critically about broader contexts, or to imagine that there are Americans who live in locales were the glorification of guns has contributed to horrific rates of murder and violence, you could cause some of these posters to have a seizure. Do you want that hanging over your head?

Please don’t finish my thoughts. I know where they’re going. Holder’s words here can be read in the context of the times and trying to lessen the wave of violence in American cities. However, that wave lessened considerably without Holder’s methods. Some of it was do to social changes and a lot to Bratton’s implementation of Wilson’s broken windows style of policing in NYC which was picked up across the nation.A message to those youth became gangs and guns will lead you to dying young in the street or old in prison. And while these comments of Holder were not aimed at the Wisconsin teen hunter, you know that he believed and believes that that hunter has no right to a firearm.

xkaydet65 on March 19, 2012 at 11:55 AM

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

If I wanted your opinion I’d have gone to the group home and asked you directly.

SilverDeth on March 19, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Brainwashing? How Orwellian. Pretty soon he will pass a law via dictatorial fiat that 2+2=5

jayhawkingeorgia on March 19, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Sure, I’ll take that one, pudley. First, organizing the illegal sale of a legal product–a firearm, is different than organizing the illegal sale of an illegal product. Why? Because the end result is to turn a legal product, into an illegal one.

That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen someone write on this board. The end result of an illegal gun sale is….wait for it…an illegal gun sale! That’s all the criminal acts necessary to justify an investigation by law enforcement. So if a reputable gun dealer is violating the law by also selling guns illegally, shouldn’t that be investigated by law enforcement. The fact that Fast-Furious guns ended up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels demonstrates that some gun dealers are engaging in both legal and illegal acts (a fact that never seems to get mentioned in this debate).

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Brainwashing won’t work. He knows that by now. The only way they can disarm the law abiding public is with official registration lists and seizure. More restrictive laws on guns or ammo will eventually lead to a black market. I don’t think it can be done, but, then I look at post-Katrina New Orleans. is to kill us, cause we won’t let our weapons go while breathing.

a capella on March 19, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Fixed for liberty.

SilverDeth on March 19, 2012 at 11:57 AM

More “vetting” from Breitbart.com? More hype, IMHO. How is stating the obvious vetting? This won’t change one person’s mind…just hits for Breitbart.com.

Yell at me here if you want:
http://www.grannyjanandjihadkitty.com/

No Niks on March 19, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Well, if you got a chance to be Attorney General, you might order ATF operations designed to put American gun stores in the worst possible light.

That’s exactly what happened. Not a doubt in my mind.

Here’s hoping the Holder video goes viral.

petefrt on March 19, 2012 at 11:59 AM

The end result of an illegal gun sale is….wait for it…an illegal gun sale! That’s all the criminal acts necessary to justify an investigation by law enforcement. So if a reputable gun dealer is violating the law by also selling guns illegally, shouldn’t that be investigated by law enforcement. The fact that Fast-Furious guns ended up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels demonstrates that some gun dealers are engaging in both legal and illegal acts (a fact that never seems to get mentioned in this debate).

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Sure, so then, why are there ATF agents on the record who called for backup, were ready to interdict the sale and prevent the transit of the guns—but were told to not do so, or were flat out ignored? Moreover, those gun dealers were told to make those sales, taped the conversations with the ATF agents, who told them to make them because they were quite suspicious from the beginning. Now, since the ATF told them to make the sale, the DOJ wanted it to happen, then failed to interdict the guns, rhetorically used the murders to argue for more gun control measures, how on earth does that fall back on the gun dealers again? Keep digging, stimpy, you’re almost there…..

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 12:00 PM

I’m sorry but is your claim that there are NO legal restrictions on gun sales?!?!?! That there is no such thing as an illegal gun sale? Seriously, is that your claim?

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:44 AM

There is a massive difference between an illegal product and a product with ‘legal restrictions’ on sales. You can’t be this stupid. There are ‘legal restrictions’ on selling a ****ing glass of orange juice.

A hand gun ban is another failed tactic in mitigating the drug black market. No drug black market, no need for a handgun ban.

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Stop blaming the Democrats’ War on the 2nd Amendment on the “War on Drugs.” It’s remarkably dishonest.

Good Solid B-Plus on March 19, 2012 at 12:00 PM

What’s the logical difference between organizing the illegal sale and purchase of heroin or cocaine in an attempt to figure out the full extent of an organized crime syndicate?
libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Beginning with a false premise renders the syllogism false.
Look it up.

~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on March 19, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Here is a little logical puzzle for everyone (especially the trolls). Historically, gun control has been used (or at least justified) for three things: (a) Crime control, (b) dictatorship, and (c) genocide (e.g. Final Solution, Armenian Genocide, Cultural Revolution, Rwanda, etc..).

However, we can pretty much rule out option (a). Does it make sense that IF gun control is intended for crime control, why are organizations such as the DOJ and BATF are actually FACILITATING the transfer of firearms to violent Mexican drug gangs? Also, it is a federal felony for any convicted felon to be in possession of a firearm. This law is rarely enforced. If gun control was really intended for crime control, we would also prosecute 100% of felons found in posession of firearms (instead of the historical rate of around 10%). Finally, the abject failure of strict gun control laws in Washington DC and Chicago is a matter of record (some of the highest crime rates are associated with the most aggressive gun control laws – which makes sense when you consider what happens when you disarm the law abiding citizens and allow the crimians to run amok).

Therefore, by the process of inductive logic, the reason that gun control is being pushed is…

…answers anyone?

SubmarineDoc on March 19, 2012 at 12:02 PM

What’s the logical difference between organizing the illegal sale and purchase of heroin or cocaine in an attempt to figure out the full extent of an organized crime syndicate?
libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:40 AM

18 U.S.C. §922 (d)(5) makes it a CRIME to transfer, sell, trade, give, transport, or deliver any firearm to any person (other than a licenced importer, licenced manufacturer, licenced dealer, or licenced collector) who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe is illegally or unlawfully in the United States.

Further, there is an international border involved and the Obama administration did NOT inform the Mexican government of its Fast & Furious programme.

Why is it OK for an American Administration to break the law by arming drug cartels that kill Mexicans and then lie about it?

Why do you care more about terrorists than ICE agent Jaime Zapata, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, and thousands of Mexicans, who were murdered with guns from the Obama administration?

Resist We Much on March 19, 2012 at 12:03 PM

The end result of an illegal gun sale is….wait for it…an illegal gun sale!

Then of course the ATF would have intervened right there, on the spot, right? Noooo, sorry genius, they didn’t, multiple times. Not in AZ, nor in TX. Gun dealers were told to make the sale, they made them, have the written order to do so, then the ATF failed to interdict. Hard to investigate the crime if you watch the evidence sail down the river, eh? That is unless, there is something else, beyond the sale, that you are intending to do….

Keep trying though, I know it hurts, but keep after it.

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 12:04 PM

So if a reputable gun dealer is violating the law by also selling guns illegally, shouldn’t that be investigated by law enforcement.

The problem you’re having is you’re sticking to talking points and not reading… let me quote Ted C…

First, organizing the illegal sale of a legal product–a firearm, is different than organizing the illegal sale of an illegal product.

Did you miss the word “organizing”? There was nothing illegal about the sales of those weapons. It was organized to ensure they ended up in the hands of the bad guys who would do bad things with them. All so your hero could proclaim “See! Look what happens when people sell guns legally!”"

VietVet_Dave on March 19, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Therefore, by the process of inductive logic, the reason that gun control is being pushed is…

…answers anyone?

SubmarineDoc on March 19, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Governments fear an armed populace. That is a no-brainer. And gun control laws in the US were always a communist plot, just like political correctness and multiculturalism. Once you gain control it is hard to kill the undesirables when they are armed.

NotCoach on March 19, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Holder is the biggest thug in this administration, second only to his boss.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2012 at 12:10 PM

There was nothing illegal about the sales of those weapons. It was organized to ensure they ended up in the hands of the bad guys who would do bad things with them. All so your hero could proclaim “See! Look what happens when people sell guns legally!””

VietVet_Dave on March 19, 2012 at 12:05 PM

That is true insofar as the purchasers themselves passed the adequate background checks which,…….I think that the ATF even told the gun dealers to look past that lil’ factoid.

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 12:11 PM

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 11:50 AM

…good post along with the follow-ups!
Gawd they are stupid!

KOOLAID2 on March 19, 2012 at 12:13 PM

STILL this Enemy of the US Constitution and Barack Obama’s confidence man, Eric Holder, sits in his high office plotting, conniving, contriving, stonewalling, and lying.

USAG Eric Holder will not resign. POTUS Barack Hussein Obama will not fire him.

The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama Presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their President. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Barack Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the Prince of Fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President.

President Barack Obama surrounds himself with liars, cheats, and thieves.

Birds of a feather flock together.

SD Tom on March 19, 2012 at 12:14 PM

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:56 AM

I am curious…after intellectually having your arguments dismantled with logic…his it changed your mind or are you still of the same mindset.
This is a sincere question, I always wonder if logic actually does work on liberals, if their arguments are met with logic and truth, does it change their minds at all?
Each of the answers to your challenge were met with logic and with restraint…
Please let us know if you changed your mind or if you just won’t “because”.

right2bright on March 19, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Holder is the biggest RACIST thug in this administration, second only to his boss.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2012 at 12:10 PM

…I was going to say that!…but I had one more word!…I’ll just add it to yours…Thanks!

KOOLAID2 on March 19, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Follow the link and read the e-mails from a participating gun dealer to the ATF asking for a letter affirming that he was only selling these weapons at the agency’s behest. He was worried that the sales were shady and wanted legal cover in case the bureau later turned around and decided that the dealers were “irresponsible” or whatever in making the sales — which was awfully prescient given the ATF’s subsequent political opportunism.

thanks for posting the update ed.

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 12:20 PM

APPLYING ALINSKY RULE 4: MAKE THE ENEMY LIVE UP TO ITS OWN RULES. — A “tea party leech” is deemed a “tea party leader” in our local press after he is arrested for rape. This belies that fact that there have been 75 rapes in the Occupy camps, so examples of alternative headlines to suggest in the “Comments” sections of offending sites is offered. “Occupy” is a subsidiary of the “War in Women”: A Tea Party is one of the safest place for women in the world.

Mutnodjmet on March 19, 2012 at 12:20 PM

where did he say brainwash again? I didn’t see that anywhere in the quotes. Sounds like he just wants to roll out a marketing plan or campaign against guns being cool for teenagers.

sob0728 on March 19, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Holder is merely carrying out his Critical Race Theory objective.

darwin on March 19, 2012 at 12:22 PM

: The Right Sphere notes Media Matters’ furious pushback, which argues that linking Holder’s statements in 1995 to the debacle of OF&F is somehow “hysterical.”

Is that the same Media Matters that is headed by David Brock who not only argues for more gun control, but also has armed security guards beside him???

**hitches up hypocrisy waders**

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Brainwashing won’t work. a capella on March 19, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Really? Haven’t you seen libfree’s posts?

Akzed on March 19, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Democrats in the House and Senate also used OF&F as a platform for their calls for greater gun control.

Despite a few hundred Mexican and US agent eggs getting broken, it appears that the push “for a better society” continues, even in Congress.

Nothing like standing atop a pile of dead bodies that you helped create, eh Democrats?

Profiles in moral courage/

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 12:26 PM

right2bright on March 19, 2012 at 12:14 PM

He believes in Critical Race Theory. Anyone who believes in such illogical garbage like that won’t be persuaded in this thread. He will only ever change if/when he gets mugged by reality.

NotCoach on March 19, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Eric Holder is the singularly most vile and disgusting, racist and anti-American, lying and cheating piece of detritous in Washington today.* A real close race between him and his boss.

*My apologies to other vile and disgusting, racist and anti-American, lying and cheating pieces of detritous. I did not mean to insult you by implying you are as bad as Holder.

NOMOBO on March 19, 2012 at 12:30 PM

So if a reputable gun dealer is violating the law by also selling guns illegally, shouldn’t that be investigated by law enforcement.

That right there is just f*&^ing funny as hell.

Dude, the ATF TOLD the gun store owners to SELL the WEAPONS.
Now, try real hard to imagine you are a gun store owner with your livelyhood on the line, and the ATF tells you to do something.

WTF law enforcement group do you CALL TO RAT ON THE ATF ???

And even if you do, how long do you think you will remain IN BUSINESS?

Wow, and that, my friends, is just one tiny, tiny, facet of the big stinkin mess.

orbitalair on March 19, 2012 at 12:31 PM

What sense does it make that the man responsible for selling guns to Drug Cartels talks about ‘brainwashing’ americans (kids) into NOT liking guns. Perhaps he doesn’t want Americans to have guns because he is afraid of an up-rising, Americans coming after him, putting him in jail where he belongs. That’s ok – as long as the ‘villagers’ still have pitchforks and torches there is still a chance to drive this ‘monster’ and his ‘creator’.

easyt65 on March 19, 2012 at 12:34 PM

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Dog gonnit Ted… now we have to expand the “all promises come with an expiration date” EO with an amendment to include all quotes.

They just cannot be used to impeach people err ahhh… expose people.
;-)

VietVet_Dave on March 19, 2012 at 12:34 PM

The need to “brainwash” people against guns certainly would explain the attempt by the ATF to demonize American gun stores in order to get people to acquiesce to more government control over sales.

….AND STILL the “stupid party” remains as impotent as ever.

why do we vote for republicans exactly?

They CAN’T EVEN STAND UP and do anything but just beat their chest and go back to their backslapping K Street cocktail parties and junkets with our tax dollars.

PappyD61 on March 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

A proud liberal, rejoicing in the death of a border agent. “no big deal”…this animal can vote in America; anyone else find that scary?

norm1111 on March 19, 2012 at 12:45 PM

NotCoach on March 19, 2012 at 12:30 PM

I was hoping he would answer…I am curious as to how people feel when they are proven wrong.
Most dig in deeper, but some intellectually honest people do change their mind…this is his opportunity.

right2bright on March 19, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Propaganda is so Goebbels.

Resist We Much on March 19, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Pravda has more credibility than most media today. It’s a surreal world, for sure.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2012 at 12:46 PM

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

l4l, Obama, Holder and other thugs don’t care about dead people at all, so long as they live good and attain their Utopian goals. May you all spontaneously combust.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I have no idea, but I do know that you guys come up with really cool names for your fake scandals.

crr6 on July 10, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

crr7 on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Del Dolemonte on March 19, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Holder says openly what is the goal of every individual who seeks elected office or political power in this country. To persuade people to accept their vision for a better society, to build broad consensus and to use lies and promises to achieve those goals. But in the real world those tactics are only undertaken by Democrats whereas Republicans simply lay out the facts without slant or bias. Lord have mercy.

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Fixed.

Del Dolemonte on March 19, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

stop mentioning burgers when we all know that all you leftist pansies eat is salad. mmmmmmk?

GhoulAid on March 19, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Del Dolemonte on March 19, 2012 at 12:52 PM

; )

Bmore on March 19, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Remember when Holder was the brains behind seizing 8 yr old Cuban refugee Elian Gonzalez at gun-point and when Holder was smack-dab in the middle of cover-ups for Waco & other Clinton era events?

His whole career has been an attempt to brainwash people, which apparently worked with the Senate.

batterup on March 19, 2012 at 1:08 PM

This:

“. . .
When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “Stick to the Devil you know.”
. . .

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!”

Trochilus on March 19, 2012 at 1:09 PM

That Holder has not been impeached, removed from office and jailed on criminal charges of 200+ counts of conspiracy to commit murder as well as charges of perjury and obstruction of justice, is a travesty of justice.

deepdiver on March 19, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM
A proud liberal, rejoicing in the death of a border agent. “no big deal”…this animal can vote in America; anyone else find that scary?

norm1111 on March 19, 2012 at 12:45 PM

…another dumbazz liberal!…now I know where some of this post showed up on another thread. We have these lowlifes amongst us!

KOOLAID2 on March 19, 2012 at 1:14 PM

This is fairly indicative of this administration as a whole, look at holder and his “mind control” techniques regarding gun control, then the obvious plan for implementation (OF&F), look at CHU and his radical statement regarding raising gas prices to artificially high levels so we will be more apt to latch onto “Green” energy sources, and the current administrations policies regarding energy development and management in this country. The amazing thing regarding all of this is not that its being done, but that no one is saying anything about them doing it. They havnt hidden any of their stated goals or programs for doing such, but the reporting on and vetting of these people and their radical ideas is astonishingly lacking.

Koa on March 19, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Isn’t brainwashing a form of torture? I thought Democrats were against torture? I guess they planned on a ‘good’ form of brainwashing like the kind that gets a Border Patrol Agent killed. Since he was a US Citizen he really didn’t have any worth or value so it doesn’t count, right? I mean it isn’t like he is an illegal immigrant here stilling someone’s identity or a terrorist here plotting and planning to kill US Citizens. His job was to protect US Citizens so of course he the end justifies the means.

Brainwashing (torture) is good when the end justifies the means (liberals rule).

See it for what it is: brainwashing is torture. Torture is either bad or it isn’t doesn’t matter what your end state goal.

uhangtight on March 19, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Here’s an idea… If we need to “brainwash” people about guns, instead of starting with the legal, responsible gun owners how about if we start with the purveyors of messages?

Let’s have Holder crack down on Hollywood and Rappers so that the only cultural references to guns can be to show them in responsible uses and in a positive light.

In other words, instead of having him trample the second amendment, let’s route him back to the first, and watch the hollywood establishment go wiggy.

Now THAT’s Entertainment!

JohnD13 on March 19, 2012 at 1:37 PM

, I always wonder if logic actually does work on liberals

right2bright on March 19, 2012 at 12:14 PM

I don’t wonder about this. The answer is no.

To prove this, I present as Exhibit A:

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

A liberal who allows his mind to be swayed by logical arguments does not remain a liberal for long. How could anyone remain a doctrinaire liberal after the past three years?

SubmarineDoc on March 19, 2012 at 1:45 PM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Of course it is. A word that makes a patriotic American recoil barely gets a liberal’s attention.

Simply because you don’t want it to.

Now, had a Republican been talking about brainwashing Americans into surrendering imaginary “rights” (to, you know, birth control or food stamps for instance)…I imagine that would be another story for you.

capitalist piglet on March 19, 2012 at 1:49 PM

The fact that Fast-Furious guns ended up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels demonstrates that some gun dealers are engaging in both legal and illegal acts (a fact that never seems to get mentioned in this debate).

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:56 AM

You really have failed to grasp the basics of the story.

The objective of Fast and Furious (as stated by administration officials) was to use guns intentionaly directed to cartels by the government as a means to track and catch cartel kingpins. It demonstrates nothing about gun dealers other than their cooperativeness with the government.

Scrappy on March 19, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Wait, guns cause cancer?

8thAirForce on March 19, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Eric Holder is Warren Moon.

CoolChange80 on March 19, 2012 at 2:15 PM

If Holder wanted to conduct an educational effort to stop violence, he’d be much better off going after the latter than the former.

Then he would be left to deal with the fatherlessness, family breakups, promiscuity, irresponsibility and drug use amongst his, and many other, people.

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Then he would be left to deal with the fatherlessness, family breakups, promiscuity, irresponsibility and drug use amongst his, and many other, people.

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 2:17 PM

WWRBHD?

Si Si Puede!

Roy Rogers on March 19, 2012 at 2:28 PM

The fact that Fast-Furious guns ended up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels demonstrates that some gun dealers are engaging in both legal and illegal acts (a fact that never seems to get mentioned in this debate).

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:56 AM

It is this kind of willful ignorance that will be the downfall of the liberals. They might turn a blind eye to what this administration has been doing, but we will not. They still assume that they have the upper hand and so have no real insight into the pending backlash. The American public may be slow to react at times, but the continued assumption that all of us are stupid and cowed is about to explode in their heads.

Yoop on March 19, 2012 at 2:31 PM

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

No one asked you. And we already knew that “nothing burger” describes the inside of your cranium.

infidel4life on March 19, 2012 at 2:40 PM

more legal gun owners + fewer police = less crime + lower taxes

exdeadhead on March 19, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Yeah, brainwash all of us against owning guns. They’ll keep their guns, though.

JellyToast on March 19, 2012 at 2:41 PM

The fact that Fast-Furious guns ended up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels demonstrates that some gun dealers are engaging in both legal and illegal acts (a fact that never seems to get mentioned in this debate).

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Said gun dealers were specifically directed by the ATF to make those questionably legal sales. Many of the dealers balked at this (not to mention rank and file ATF agents as well) and were told to do it anyway by the ATF. By the Obama administration’s ATF. Even CNN reported this. What part of this do you not understand?

Obviously Holder’s reference to brainwashing applies to the liberal trolls here. They wouldn’t recognize facts if they were bitten in the ass by them.

infidel4life on March 19, 2012 at 2:48 PM

WWRBHD?

Si Si Puede!

Roy Rogers on March 19, 2012 at 2:28 PM

He’d say, “Look son, I fought to free the slaves and protect this nation and i’ll be damned DAMNED I say, if I were gonna let you ruin this great nation I helped build!”

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

libtard4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Nothing gets the Left all hot and bothered like the thrill of brainwashing kids.

cicerone on March 19, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Never mentioned is ‘why’ but that is a known known.
Despicable lying liars. What’s the countdown date currently? Not soon enough.

mickytx on March 19, 2012 at 3:28 PM

I hate the phrase “the way in which” instead of how.

Tzetzes on March 19, 2012 at 3:43 PM

He’d say, “Look son, I fought to free the slaves and protect this nation and i’ll be damned DAMNED I say, if I were gonna let you ruin this great nation I helped build!”

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Obama wants a Mulligan on Holder

Roy Rogers on March 19, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Before I proceed I just want to be clear. Your argument is that people who make guns easily available to violent individuals are responsible for the acts of violence those individuals commit?

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:32 AM

No, that’s just in liberal pea-brain thinking, that’s why Holder and company tried it, get with the program libfree you’re falling way behind.

cigarcamel on March 19, 2012 at 4:19 PM

How about we turn their language around on them:

We need to brainwash this administration into respecting the American people and their rights. It’s not enough to just have a catchy add on youtube. We have to do this every day of the week at every level of the government in every state. We have to be repetitive about this. We have to get in their faces until they realize that it is just not cool to encroach on any of our rights, especially the second amendment.

bitsy on March 19, 2012 at 4:40 PM

I especially like the part where he expects advertising agencies to produce presumably unpaid propaganda instead of ads paid for by the people who make and sell all those things he doesn’t need.

And I have my doubts that Eric Holder has ever known what it is to be either “cool” or “hip.” He has always struck me as a first rate dweeb.

SukieTawdry on March 19, 2012 at 4:46 PM

This isn’t the government’s role, Mr. Holder.
Changing the way people think is not the role of government in a free society.
This is also the way Obama thinks. The role of government in the statist’s view is to FORCE the people in the direction they want.
Examples:
* FORCE the people into using alternative fuels by not drilling
* FORCE people into government healthcare by making it impossible to afford health insurance
* FORCE the people into smaller cars through CAFE standards and subsidies
* FORCE people to eat certain foods by requiring schools to not provide certain choices
* FORCE people into public transportation by making it harder and harder to own a car, period
* FORCE people to pay higher taxes by threatening to de-police the streets
* FORCE people away from guns through a barrage of public service announcements in the schools.

Does this sound like freedom to you?
George Washington is turning over in his grave!

Mark7788 on March 19, 2012 at 4:47 PM

I certainly hope that when obumbo is bounced out of office and can no longer protect this progressive socialist criminal, holder is found guilty of first degree murder and is sentenced to death by the same F&F guns that killed so many people under his orders.

May he rest in his progressive socialist hell.

Wolfmoon on March 19, 2012 at 4:54 PM

another video the MSM did not want you to see, and they’ll ignore this just as they are glossing over fast and furious

burserker on March 19, 2012 at 5:27 PM

So that’s what became of Venus Flytrap from WKRP in Cincinnati.

clearbluesky on March 19, 2012 at 5:28 PM

STALINISTS.

tom daschle concerned on March 19, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Hilarious photo of some suburban white guy with an afro.

Jaibones on March 19, 2012 at 5:43 PM

I am thinking of going into the video archive business. The gotcha politics seems to be booming.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on March 19, 2012 at 5:59 PM

I am thinking of going into the video archive business. The gotcha politics seems to be booming.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on March 19, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Libtards wrote the book on gotcha politics. I guess they don’t like it when they are hung by their own rules eh?

Too f*&^%$$ bad. They dropped the discourse to this level, then can now have their turn at being gutted, personally destroyed, and harassed by it.

Sauce for the goose and all that.

SilverDeth on March 19, 2012 at 6:15 PM

And no, two wrong don’t make a right, but in a dying nation, where liberty has been stamped out of existence, where I can’t get justice, I guess I will have to settle for revenge.

Pucker up libs. I intent to make this every bit as painful for you as it is for me.

SilverDeth on March 19, 2012 at 6:18 PM

So if a reputable gun dealer is violating the law by also selling guns illegally, shouldn’t that be investigated by law enforcement. The fact that Fast-Furious guns ended up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels demonstrates that some gun dealers are engaging in both legal and illegal acts (a fact that never seems to get mentioned in this debate).

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:56 AM

This illustrates the dishonesty of libfreeordie well. There were no “gun dealers” engaging in illegal acts. The gun dealers were cooperating with the ATF – under protest – by allowing the ATF’s straw buyers to successfully purchase firearms ( and the FBI was forging NCIS background checks in at least one case to permit the straw purchases ). The investigation had nothing to do with illegal conduct by gun dealers. And it “demonstrated” nothing about US gun dealers.

The investigation allowed ATF’s own pet straw purchasers to buy guns and then smuggle them over the border even though the ATF knew it had no way of tracking them once over the border.

And at the same time the ATF and the Obama administration were lying about what percentage of Mexican crime guns originated in the US. OF&F was about putting US guns into Mexican crime scenes to bolster those lies and it had no other purpose.

SPQR on March 19, 2012 at 6:55 PM

The right is incredibly lame for making this a gun rights issue.

LieFreeOrWhat

It’s the LEFT that made this an issue of gun control attempted destruction of a Constitutional Right.

Their destruction of that right is so important to them that the murders to which members of this administration were accomplices before the fact, became nothing more than a platform to base their continued lies on.

In the face of these truths, you are able only continue with your baseless stupidity.

You are a fool, pure and simple. You show no redeeming qualities whatsoever, and I pity anyone who must deal with you face-to-face.

As an aside, I will once again ask that Hot Air put the names of the commenters on top of each comment, so that I do not even need to read a single word vomitted out by the likes the the above-named fool or others of its ilk.

Siddhartha Vicious on March 19, 2012 at 7:23 PM

You know, I’d be more perturbed if this wasn’t standard marketing practice for just about anything. Not that I agree with him, but I’m not exactly shocked that the left would use that kind of strategy, actually, I thought it was common knowledge. Regardless of his strategy, would you want someone with such strong ideological convictions against some of our basic civil liberties in power? I don’t.

Professor de la Paz on March 19, 2012 at 10:43 PM

I’m so sick of all this anti gun shit…..is there something at the end of the rainbow for a mutt…..a commie like Holder?

Could there be….a “Holder Day”?

Is there any way America can defeat and put a commie like Holder away?

Twana on March 19, 2012 at 10:46 PM

The fact that Fast-Furious guns ended up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels demonstrates that some gun dealers are engaging in both legal and illegal acts (a fact that never seems to get mentioned in this debate)

Impossible. All gun laws are invalid because they conflict with the 2nd Amendment of the United States Constitution. The fact that our highest court is too cowardly to affirm that right is their second greatest treason (after Wickard v. Filburn).

Professor de la Paz on March 19, 2012 at 10:48 PM

“We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans …” Bill Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)

“Gun registration is not enough. Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal.” – Janet Reno

Speakup on March 19, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Why no outcry from ‘Liberals’ interested in our liberty?
ACLU? Where are you?

So if a reputable gun dealer is violating the law by also selling guns illegally, shouldn’t that be investigated by law enforcement. The fact that Fast-Furious guns ended up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels demonstrates that some gun dealers are engaging in both legal and illegal acts (a fact that never seems to get mentioned in this debate).

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:56 AM

This illustrates the dishonesty of libfreeordie well. There were no “gun dealers” engaging in illegal acts. The gun dealers were cooperating with the ATF – under protest – by allowing the ATF’s straw buyers to successfully purchase firearms ( and the FBI was forging NCIS background checks in at least one case to permit the straw purchases ). The investigation had nothing to do with illegal conduct by gun dealers. And it “demonstrated” nothing about US gun dealers.

The investigation allowed ATF’s own pet straw purchasers to buy guns and then smuggle them over the border even though the ATF knew it had no way of tracking them once over the border.

And at the same time the ATF and the Obama administration were lying about what percentage of Mexican crime guns originated in the US. OF&F was about putting US guns into Mexican crime scenes to bolster those lies and it had no other purpose.

SPQR on March 19, 2012 at 6:55 PM

This truth has been out there for a while.
Posters have submitted this truth for the trolls.
Dear trolls:
What do you have to say about these facts?
They are surely inconvenient to your lies talking points.

Badger40 on March 19, 2012 at 10:51 PM

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