Holder in 1995: We have to “brainwash” people against guns

posted at 11:00 am on March 19, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

If you wanted to “really brainwash” people against guns, how would you go about it? Ask people to start buying anti-gun ads to combat what some might see as a pro-gun bias in entertainment (skipping MacGyver, of course). What if that didn’t work? Well, if you got a chance to be Attorney General, you might order ATF operations designed to put American gun stores in the worst possible light. Breitbart.com unearthed C-SPAN video of Eric Holder in 1995 when Holder served as US Attorney for Washington DC in the Clinton-era Department of Justice, talking about the need to “brainwash” Americans into becoming hostile to gun rights:

Holder was addressing the Woman’s National Democratic Club. In his remarks, broadcast by CSPAN 2, he explained that he intended to use anti-smoking campaigns as his model to “change the hearts and minds of people in Washington, DC” about guns.

“What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that it’s not acceptable, it’s not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we changed our attitudes about cigarettes.”

Holder added that he had asked advertising agencies in the nation’s capital to assist by making anti-gun ads rather than commercials “that make me buy things that I don’t really need.” He had also approached local newspapers and television stations, he said, asking them to devote prime space and time, respectively, to his anti-gun campaign.

How well did that work? On one hand, very well; Washington DC continues to have one of the most restrictive gun-control laws in the nation. On the other … not so well. DC also has one of the highest rates of gun violence in the nation, too. Most people would conclude that gun-control laws don’t really work as intended, and that perhaps disarming law-abiding citizens is counterproductive. But that would be rational, and Holder wanted to conduct “brainwashing,” which is the least rational form of argument possible short of force.

There is a big difference between guns and crime. One is merely a tool that can be used for many purposes; the other is a conscious decision to commit an act against the community that violates the laws we have put into place by common consent. If Holder wanted to conduct an educational effort to stop violence, he’d be much better off going after the latter than the former. Unfortunately, Holder has focused on the tools rather than on the crimes, and given this statement of principles, it’s easy to see how Operation Fast and Furious occurred. The need to “brainwash” people against guns certainly would explain the attempt by the ATF to demonize American gun stores in order to get people to acquiesce to more government control over sales.

Update: The Right Sphere notes Media Matters’ furious pushback, which argues that linking Holder’s statements in 1995 to the debacle of OF&F is somehow “hysterical.” Guns were illegal at the time in DC, they argue, which, er, everyone already knows — and knew at the time, too. And yet gun violence wasn’t going away even with those unconstitutional gun bans in place, which is why Holder as a public official called for “really brainwashing” people into anti-gun positions while serving as US Attorney. Given what we know of OF&F under the ultimate authority of Holder, it’s really not difficult to see it as an attempt to paint American gun stores as evil enablers of Mexican drug cartels in order to build political strength for more gun-control laws. And in fact, we know that ATF officials discussed that very outcome as part of OF&F.

Update II: Mary Chastain reminds us that Democrats in the House and Senate also used OF&F as a platform for their calls for greater gun control.


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It hasn’t worked.

Bmore on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

“What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns the Constitution, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that it’s not acceptable, it’s not hip to carry a gun care about the Constitution anymore, in the way in which we changed our attitudes about cigarettes.”

FIFY

JDF123 on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

I think the lobbyists for the gun industry are in bed with Holder and his people. They want him to scare up a storm like in 2008 when they made bumper profits and had to in many cases expand and retool.

People are already stockpiling again and waiting lists for the fun stuff show no signs of shrinking.

CorporatePiggy on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Which pretty much explains why Holder attempted the subvert the 2nd amendment via “Fast and Furious”.

SWalker on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Holder’s rise has to be a text book case of corruption and back room deals.

aniptofar on March 19, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Try “brainwashing” people into respecting life and liberty…

right2bright on March 19, 2012 at 11:04 AM

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

We didn’t ask you…

right2bright on March 19, 2012 at 11:05 AM

It’s ashame none of this informantion or video’s we looked into during last elections.

Zcat on March 19, 2012 at 11:05 AM

How well did that work? On one hand, very well; Washington DC continues to have one of the most restrictive gun-control laws in the nation.

Do the people of DC feel the same way as their awful leaders?

NotCoach on March 19, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Sorry—”information”

Zcat on March 19, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Unfortunately, Holder has focused on the tools rather than on the crimes, and given this statement of principles, it’s easy to see how Operation Fast and Furious occurred. The need to “brainwash” people against guns certainly would explain the attempt by the ATF to demonize American gun stores in order to get people to acquiesce to more government control over sales infringement upon our 2nd Amendment rights.

We’re focusing on the tools regarding Operation Fast & Furious. Tool #1–Holder. Tool #2—Obama.

Contact your congressman, again, regarding this. Ask him/her why the deaths of 200 Mexicans and 2 US Agents are not being addressed at all in this case.

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 11:06 AM

“Smoking Gun”? Yes.

Will any member of congress have the courage to finally nail this coffin shut and get Holder ousted? No.

The problem with that scenarios may be the problem. The next two in line to take the AG post are just as dangerous.

katy on March 19, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

That’s your standard response to everything. Try something original.

NoFanofLibs on March 19, 2012 at 11:07 AM

This doesn’t surprise me one bit. bho and his whole team would love for American’s not have any guns what so ever! We can protect ourselves by the 2nd and they don’t like it one bit!
L

letget on March 19, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Let me tweek my First! statement. It hasn’t worked except on the weak minded and leftist variety’s. One in the same? Many Americans including my self own several more weapons then we did in 1995. ; )

Bmore on March 19, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Actually Holder might be a double agent. He has done one heck of a job in boosting the American people’s support of the 2nd American.

NotCoach on March 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

The question is “Will Nothing burgers be allowed in Moochelle’s brave new World?”

dirtseller on March 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Dear Issa, here’s all the remaining evidence you need. Remove him from office.

nobar on March 19, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

I don’t know. Why don’t we ask over 200 DEAD Mexican citizens and a US Border Patrol agent.

GarandFan on March 19, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Nice to see y’all catch up with the news.
Where ya been, HA?
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on March 19, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Convincing people that it’s not hip anymore?

That didn’t work too well for 0′s smoking, did it?

Droopy on March 19, 2012 at 11:12 AM

By the way, if ANY of Obama’s scandals had taken place in a Republican administration, would a democrat controlled congress be turned into one big hearing? Or would it mirror this republican controlled congress, save Issa, and be relegated to just shaking their collective heads and saying “Tsk Tsk’?

dirtseller on March 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM

It’s not about safety, it’s not about crime. It’s about imposing their will and you can’t easily take freedom from an armed citizenry. Which is exactly why the framers made it second only to voice.

BKeyser on March 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM

But that would be rational, and Holder wanted to conduct “brainwashing,” which is the least rational form of argument possible short of force.

So, let’s go back to how he didn’t know anything about Operation Fast & Furious again…..Can we revisit those statements please?

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM

It’s quite telling that he actually used the word “brainwash.”

How “progressive.”

Confirmed: the Modern Democrat party rejects the constitution, especially the 1st amendment (Citizens United) and 2nd amendment.

Sad.

visions on March 19, 2012 at 11:14 AM

But…he STOPPED Operation Fast & Furious dammit ***slams fist on table***

STOPPED it, I say….!

/

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

So you’re ok with 200+ dead Mexicans? Why do you hate Mexicans?

What’s wrong with people exercising their right recognized by the Second Amendment?

rbj on March 19, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

I’m sure the people killed by fast and furious guns agree.

William Amos on March 19, 2012 at 11:14 AM

The Left – always complaining about what they think others are doing, like ‘brainwashing’, and then wanting to do it themselves.

You can’t really call them ‘Liberals’ as they don’t hold one part of liberty up, and attempt to beat it down by government fiat at all times…

ajacksonian on March 19, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Holder in 1995: We have to “brainwash” people libsquirrel4life against guns freedom

Fixed

Bitter Clinger on March 19, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Stedman Graham.

That is all.

steebo77 on March 19, 2012 at 11:17 AM

and, by ‘brainwashing’ them, he means to force gun dealers to sell Mexican drug runners guns that he knows they’ll use in murders in Mexico. The ‘washing’ part comes in when those guns are found and Holder, Obama et al. point to those guns, their origin and they say “baaaad baaaaaaDDD bBBBAAAADDD guns, baaadd gun dealers” over and over again.

these guys have walked into their own trap. It is going to spring.

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 11:18 AM

in the way in which we changed our attitudes about cigarettes.”

That’s an epic fail too. Who still smokes? Poor people with low self esteem, aka Democrats.

A company that employs such people moved in next door, and everytime I go outside it’s full of young 20 somethings smoking. These are the same people that get a thrill out of jamming all of the toilet covers into the commode so the cleaning people have to clear it out. They are not even civilized.

kirkill on March 19, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

OF&F was a scandal. This is standard operating procedure, which I’m sure doesn’t bother you at all, libtard.

gryphon202 on March 19, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Where’s Bluegill?

MeatHeadinCA on March 19, 2012 at 11:20 AM

The “Manchurian Candidate” knows whereof he speaks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manchurian_Candidate_%281962_film%29

It’s all about the “brainwashing”, the “pink stain”, following orders like lemmings, or, in this case, captured American prisoners.
Aren’t we all prisoners now?

~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on March 19, 2012 at 11:20 AM

That dude got old fast. He went from looking like Stedman to looking like Morgan Freeman.

kit dinker on March 19, 2012 at 11:20 AM

kirkill on March 19, 2012 at 11:18 AM

I smoke. I guess I’m an OWSer and I didn’t even know it.

NotCoach on March 19, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Listen troll. There’s no scandal. We all know that. We also know that this scumbag is a communist and a traitor. THAT is a “nothing burger” that we intend to shove right down his gullet when the time comes.

HomeoftheBrave on March 19, 2012 at 11:21 AM

There was enough evidence suggesting he was a far left radical. Why would any Republican or “reasonable” Dem have voted for him???

MeatHeadinCA on March 19, 2012 at 11:21 AM

And then they can start brainwashing people against freedom of religion, free speech, the right to be secure in their person and effects, the right to a fair trial, the right to petition the government, …

Socratease on March 19, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Say chaps, I believe we’ve got a specimen of these brainwashing experiments right here! What say we attach some electrodes to the poor things ears and see if it’ll start confessing its crimes against the state?

Nom de Boom on March 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM

hmmm, we have the evidence of how the guns got into the hands of the folks that have gone on muderous rampages that have left a few hundred people dead…

we appear to have a motive established from the guy who was in charge of the evidence…

Mr. Issa. what are you waiting for?

DanMan on March 19, 2012 at 11:23 AM

We should be repulsed by our government wanting to brainwash the American public. To me this is further proof of the already established fact that nothing said by Obama or his administration should be believed.

GaltBlvnAtty on March 19, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Dear Issa, here’s all the remaining evidence you need. Remove him from office.

nobar on March 19, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Here is your answer right here…

Speaker John Boehnor and Congressman Darryl Issa conspire to betray America.

SWalker on March 19, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Snappy ads is the answer!

teri_b on March 19, 2012 at 11:24 AM

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/24/republicans-who-voted-to-confirm-holder-now-complain-about-holder/

We might not be able to get rid of McCain, but what about Lugar and Hatch?

R’s that supported Holder:

Alexander (R-TN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Chambliss (R-Ga)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Sessions (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Voinovich (R-OH)

MeatHeadinCA on March 19, 2012 at 11:24 AM

As long as he’s speaking about “his people” (his words, not mine), I agree with him.

Regarding the rest of us, just go away. Clown.

FineasFinn on March 19, 2012 at 11:25 AM

this is more concerning than that EO flap this weekend.

Executive branch douchenozzle wants to “brainwash” Americans.

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 11:25 AM

So you’re ok with 200+ dead Mexicans? Why do you hate Mexicans?

Can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

Socratease on March 19, 2012 at 11:25 AM

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

You DO realize that F&F was the implementation of his 2nd Amendment theology, don’t you? In case you’re not aware, people died. Apparently you don’t have any regard for he Constitution, either.

Brought to you by the man who’s law firm specialized in defending Gitmo prisoners.

VietVet_Dave on March 19, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Would you like a side of LIES and some Koolaide with your Nothing-Burger?

portlandon on March 19, 2012 at 11:26 AM

and, by “brainwashing” he actually means “to infringe upon their 2nd Amendment rights.”

He’s falsely expanding the argument. He’s using the crimes of ‘his people’ to expand the issue to law-abiding citizens.

Nice try, intellectual. Logic fail much?

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?
A nothing burger if you ask me
liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Great point! Your debating skills are awe-inspiring. /sarc

KS Rex on March 19, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Holder added that he had asked advertising agencies in the nation’s capital to assist by making anti-gun ads rather than commercials “that make me buy things that I don’t really need.”

Wow, a two-fer. Not only is he openly hostile towards constitutionally guaranteed 2nd Amendment rights, he’s openly hostile to the job-creating engine of the free market. In these economic times, it’s quite telling that this is the thinking at the root of the administration’s domestic policy.

fitzfong on March 19, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Mitt Romney banned guns while gov of MA. It’s incredible how alike he is to Obama.

angryed on March 19, 2012 at 11:28 AM

There’s lies, damned lies, and then there’s all the stuff that Eric Holder says to Congress.

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Being brainwashed, you would know.

itsspideyman on March 19, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Inculcation. Brown shirts. What a wonderfully scurrilous method of treating our kids and other empty skulls.

Speaks rather informative of Holder’s character, agenda, and arrogance, doen’t it! And from his own mouth! I guess he believes his foot simply will not reach his mouth.

He is what now? The US Attorney General? God help us.

Woody

woodcdi on March 19, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

With hundreds dead, one wonders how many more must die before it becomes a something burger.

Rebar on March 19, 2012 at 11:29 AM

I can’t believe anyone can’t see it for what it is, of course Fast & Furious was an attempt to vilify gun shops and they wanted it to blow up so they could tell people why gun purchases should be restricted even more.

They just didn’t expect the finer details of the program to get to the general public.

ButterflyDragon on March 19, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Holder says openly what is the goal of every individual who seeks elected office or political power in this country. To persuade people to accept their vision for a better society, to build broad consensus and to use imagery and rhetoric to achieve those goals. But in bizarro-world those tactics are only undertaken by Democrats whereas Republicans simply lay out the facts without slant or bias. Lord have mercy.

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:29 AM

In his own written testimony in November, Holder complained that Congress “voted to keep law enforcement in the dark when individuals purchase multiple semi-automatic rifles and shotguns in Southwest border gun shops.”

And on Sunday another sign of Holder’s anti-gun advocacy surfaced when the blog The Right Scoop published excerpts from a Washington Post op-ed Holder wrote shortly after 9/11, in which he used the terrorist attacks as a rationale to push for more gun control laws.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/18/holder-in-1995-really-brainwash-people-to-be-anti-gun/#ixzz1pZpujF6s

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Holder says openly what is the goal of every individual who seeks elected office or political power in this country. To persuade people to accept their vision for a better society, to build broad consensus and to use imagery and rhetoric to achieve those goals. But in bizarro-world those tactics are only undertaken by Democrats whereas Republicans simply lay out the facts without slant or bias. Lord have mercy.

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Well that, and kill 200+ people on the border to make it happen.

angryed on March 19, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

That doesn’t surprise me at all.

After all, what’s a couple of hundred deaths compared to the millions of dead babies you gleefully support?

ButterflyDragon on March 19, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Department of Brainwashing

Room 101 anyone???

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Calling someone a slut – end of the Republic as we know it.

The AG openly calling for brainwashing of the American population…hey what’s the big deal?

angryed on March 19, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Example A. brainwashing working on small brained, now where’s the little fish, show up show us your fish brain!

ConcealedKerry on March 19, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Well that, and kill 200+ people on the border to make it happen.

angryed on March 19, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Before I proceed I just want to be clear. Your argument is that people who make guns easily available to violent individuals are responsible for the acts of violence those individuals commit?

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:32 AM

While I do not doubt that Holder wants guns banned, this snippet can be read in an entirely different context. If you remember the times, the late 80s and early 90s were periods of massive urban gang and gun violence, Rappers celebrated gun culture. Their videos included more guns than Private Ryan. I was correcting writing samples from my students that spoke of their desires to own a “9″.Holder’s remarks here seem aimed at the audience the Rappers and drug lords spoke to, urban black kids, and to find someway to make owning a gun uncool.I really don’t believe he was speaking of the teen in Wisconsin who was deer hunting with an SKS or a Ruger mini 30.

xkaydet65 on March 19, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Completely off topic and insignificant topic: is it meor does Holder look a lot like Ron Glass from Barney Miller in that screen shot? Weird.

vcferlita on March 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM

I blame Bush, for Holder’s failed brainwashing attempt.

Ragnar Danneskold on March 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM

I’ve transcribed the entire speech, if anyone is interested:

We’re Gonna Brainwash Those 2nd Amendment Rights Right Outta Your Head

Resist We Much on March 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM

I should have said:

I’ve transcribed the entire clip…

Resist We Much on March 19, 2012 at 11:34 AM

To persuade people to accept their vision for a better society, to build broad consensus and to use imagery and rhetoric to achieve those goals.

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:29 AM

what better way to get people to accept their vision than by organizing the illegal purchase of weapons, facilitating their border transit, and then rhetorically using the murderous fallout as a pretext for more gun control. Sure, a few hundred dead, NO PROBLEMO….just ACCEPT OUR VISION FOR A BETTER SOCIETY….a vision built upon a mountain of dead bodies. There are a few Jews that might have a lil’ issue of that. This is a modern-day holocaust if you’re going to argue that point, stimpy.

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Karl Magnus on March 19, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Hotair is really skipping a beat on major news, this was pretty well circulated on the blogosphere, maybe they should hire additional bloggers.

golembythehudson on March 19, 2012 at 11:35 AM

While I do not doubt that Holder wants guns banned, this snippet can be read in an entirely different context. If you remember the times, the late 80s and early 90s were periods of massive urban gang and gun violence, Rappers celebrated gun culture. Their videos included more guns than Private Ryan. I was correcting writing samples from my students that spoke of their desires to own a “9″.Holder’s remarks here seem aimed at the audience the Rappers and drug lords spoke to, urban black kids, and to find someway to make owning a gun uncool.I really don’t believe he was speaking of the teen in Wisconsin who was deer hunting with an SKS or a Ruger mini 30.

xkaydet65 on March 19, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Stop. Just stop. If you ask people to actually think critically about broader contexts, or to imagine that there are Americans who live in locales were the glorification of guns has contributed to horrific rates of murder and violence, you could cause some of these posters to have a seizure. Do you want that hanging over your head?

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

I guess the brainwashing worked on this tool of the left. ;-)

Jarhead68 on March 19, 2012 at 11:35 AM

If Eric Holder was a honky Attorney General in a Republican administration, you can bet MSM would be screaming for hos scalp.

bw222 on March 19, 2012 at 11:36 AM

In 1995 it was illegal to possess a handgun in D.C. Holder was advocating that young people be brainwashed into upholding the law. Commie devil.

plewis on March 19, 2012 at 11:36 AM

If Eric Holder were concerned about curbing violence, he’d encourage more people to own guns.

But, he’s not. Far leftwing radical.

MeatHeadinCA on March 19, 2012 at 11:37 AM

NotCoach on March 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Yep. Reverse brainwashing I suppose.

kirkill on March 19, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Do Cohiba’s, Joyita’s and Romeo y Julietta’s count?

NotCoach on March 19, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Long ashes to you sir.

portlandon on March 19, 2012 at 11:26 AM

; )

Bmore on March 19, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Before I proceed I just want to be clear. Your argument is that people who make guns easily available to violent individuals are responsible for the acts of violence those individuals commit?

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:32 AM

GM should be shut down because people have driven drunk and killed someone in a Chevy. Right?

On the other hand what Holder did was show a repeat drunk driver the way to the nearest Chevy dealer, and helped him pick the color of the brand new car.

I know you know this. But you’re a liberal so you lie.

angryed on March 19, 2012 at 11:37 AM

“We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans …” Bill Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)

“Gun registration is not enough. Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal.” – Janet Reno

Speakup on March 19, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Is this supposed to be a scandal?

A nothing burger if you ask me

liberal4life on March 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

No, OF & F is a scandal. This goes to Holder’s underlying hostility toward gun ownership and the Second Amendment, and it’s just one more political nail in his coffin. It also helps revive an issue in an election year that’s a proven loser for Democrats. But keep whistling past the graveyard if it makes you feel better.

RadClown on March 19, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Your argument is that people who make guns easily available to violent individuals are responsible for the acts of violence those individuals commit?

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:32 AM

As always, to make any argument, a liberal has to be dishonest. As if legally selling guns to American citizens is the same thing as selling guns illegally across the border to drug cartels for seemingly no legitimate law enforcement purpose.

Your dishonesty and hypocrisy in every single argument you enter into should at some point alert you to the fact that you are not right on the merits. If you can’t ever debate from an honest standpoint, using actual facts and being consistent and honest in your arguments, that demonstrates you have nothing to argue. I have yet to encounter – either personally or from a politician such as Obama – a liberal who is ever honest.

It is sad to be so wedded to dishonesty as a way of life.

Monkeytoe on March 19, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Stop. Just stop. If you ask people to actually think critically about broader contexts, or to imagine that there are Americans who live in locales were the glorification of guns has contributed to horrific rates of murder and violence, you could cause some of these posters to have a seizure. Do you want that hanging over your head?

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:35 AM

LOL. This fool still clings to the bitter theory that prohibition of guns leads to no guns. DC banned handguns for decades. And yet DC was the murder capital of the country.

I know you know this. So are you a liar or just stupid?

angryed on March 19, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Oh, and ammo sales and reloader sales are through the roof. I’m out, y’all have a great day. And remember, Keep it nicely grouped.

Bmore on March 19, 2012 at 11:39 AM

That doesn’t surprise me at all.

After all, what’s a couple of hundred deaths compared to the millions of dead babies you gleefully support?

ButterflyDragon on March 19, 2012 at 11:31 AM

I suspect Liberal4Life is pro-life. I mean break down her screen name. Liberal 4 Life.

Conservative4Ever on March 19, 2012 at 11:40 AM

As always, to make any argument, a liberal has to be dishonest.
Monkeytoe on March 19, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Truth: the kryptonite of the liberal.

angryed on March 19, 2012 at 11:40 AM

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Remind me again. What’s the logical difference between organizing the illegal sale and purchase of heroin or cocaine in an attempt to figure out the full extent of an organized crime syndicate? Are the law enforcement officers responsible for all of the horrible things those groups do while they are conducting their investigation? Mexican drug cartels were going to have access to guns, and were going to murder those people regardless of what the ATF did. The failed War on Drugs ensures that.

I oppose the War on Drugs, its a failed policy and the whole Fast-Furious scandal is just another example of why. When you simply refuse to eliminate the need for a black market you are faced with trying to infiltrate and destroy something that has never been succesfully destroyed. The greater and greater levels of desperation that come from continued failures to stop black markets lead to hair brained schemes like Fast-Furious. The right is incredibly lame for making this a gun rights issue. This is a War on Drugs issue. But, of course, we know that both Dems and Republicans are committed to that failed policy, so instead they have fights over tactics. Instead of a fight over whether any of it is worth anything.

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Stop. Just stop. If you ask people to actually think critically about broader contexts, or to imagine that there are Americans who live in locales were the glorification of guns has contributed to horrific rates of murder and violence, you could cause some of these posters to have a seizure. Do you want that hanging over your head?

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:35 AM

It’s a good thing we brainwashed everybody into hating guns and made them universally illegal. Oh, wait, that never happened, and yet gun violence went down. Amazing.

Good Solid B-Plus on March 19, 2012 at 11:42 AM

“What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that it’s not acceptable, it’s not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we changed our attitudes about cigarettes.”

This is not only unethical, it’s contrary to most of what the general public believes, and very little of what officers who work the streets believe.

Mr. Holder should never have been placed in his current position however he should have resigned by now.

TX-96 on March 19, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Remind me again. What’s the logical difference between organizing the illegal sale and purchase of heroin or cocaine in an attempt to figure out the full extent of an organized crime syndicate?

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:40 AM

If heroin/cocaine were legal and the operation was later used by Democrat lawmakers as a pretext for “greater heroin/cocaine control,” you might actually have a point.

Good Solid B-Plus on March 19, 2012 at 11:43 AM

This fool still clings to the bitter theory that prohibition of guns leads to no guns. DC banned handguns for decades. And yet DC was the murder capital of the country.

I know you know this. So are you a liar or just stupid?

angryed on March 19, 2012 at 11:39 AM

A hand gun ban is another failed tactic in mitigating the drug black market. No drug black market, no need for a handgun ban.

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Holder added that he had asked advertising agencies in the nation’s capital to assist by making anti-gun ads rather than commercials “that make me buy things that I don’t really need.”

Oh Lord.

Stop me before I buy something I don’t need!

Impulsive much, Eric?

ted c on March 19, 2012 at 11:44 AM

If heroin/cocaine were legal and the operation was later used by Democrat lawmakers as a pretext for “greater heroin/cocaine control,” you might actually have a point.

Good Solid B-Plus on March 19, 2012 at 11:43 AM

I’m sorry but is your claim that there are NO legal restrictions on gun sales?!?!?! That there is no such thing as an illegal gun sale? Seriously, is that your claim?

libfreeordie on March 19, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Holder added that he had asked advertising agencies in the nation’s capital to assist by making anti-gun ads rather than commercials “that make me buy things that I don’t really need.

Love the sideswipe at capitalism he manages to shoehorn in there. These people are never “off.”

Sharke on March 19, 2012 at 11:44 AM

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