“National Defense Resources Preparedness” executive order: Power grab or mere update?

posted at 10:30 am on March 18, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

We’re getting a lot of e-mail this weekend about an executive order issued on Friday afternoon by President Obama titled “National Defense Resources Preparedness.”  While the timing of the EO is curious — why send it out on a Friday afternoon when an administration is usually trying to sneak bad news past the media? — the general impact of it is negligible.  This EO simply updates another EO (12919) that had been in place since June 1994, and amended several times since.

Let’s start with Friday’s EO:

Section 101.  Purpose.  This order delegates authorities and addresses national defense resource policies and programs under the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended (the “Act”).

Sec102.  Policy.  The United States must have an industrial and technological base capable of meeting national defense requirements and capable of contributing to the technological superiority of its national defense equipment in peacetime and in times of national emergency.  The domestic industrial and technological base is the foundation for national defense preparedness.  The authorities provided in the Act shall be used to strengthen this base and to ensure it is capable of responding to the national defense needs of the United States.

Sounds dramatic, doesn’t it?  This actually matches the language in EO 12919, however, even the part about “in peacetime.”  What follows is significantly less dramatic:

Sec103.  General Functions.  Executive departments and agencies (agencies) responsible for plans and programs relating to national defense (as defined in section 801(j) of this order), or for resources and services needed to support such plans and programs, shall:

(a)  identify requirements for the full spectrum of emergencies, including essential military and civilian demand;

(b)  assess on an ongoing basis the capability of the domestic industrial and technological base to satisfy requirements in peacetime and times of national emergency, specifically evaluating the availability of the most critical resource and production sources, including subcontractors and suppliers, materials, skilled labor, and professional and technical personnel;

(c)  be prepared, in the event of a potential threat to the security of the United States, to take actions necessary to ensure the availability of adequate resources and production capability, including services and critical technology, for national defense requirements;

(d)  improve the efficiency and responsiveness of the domestic industrial base to support national defense requirements; and

(e)  foster cooperation between the defense and commercial sectors for research and development and for acquisition of materials, services, components, and equipment to enhance industrial base efficiency and responsiveness.

Again, this is almost identical to EO 12919 from 18 years earlier.  Note what this EO specifically orders: identify, assess, be prepared, improve, foster cooperation.  None of these items claim authority to seize private property and place them at the personal disposal of Obama.  What follows after Section 103 are the directives for implementing these rather analytical tasks, mostly in the form of explicit delegations of presidential authority to Cabinet members and others in the executive branch.

Why the update?  If one takes a look at EO 12919, the big change is in the Cabinet itself.  In 1994, we didn’t have a Department of Homeland Security, for instance, and some of these functions would naturally fall to DHS.  In EO 12919, the FEMA director had those responsibilities, and the biggest change between the two is the removal of several references to FEMA (ten in all).   Otherwise, there aren’t a lot of changes between the two EOs, which looks mainly like boilerplate.

In fact, that’s almost entirely what it is.  The original EO dealing with national defense resources preparedness was issued in 1939 (EO 8248) according to the National Archives.  It has been superseded a number of times, starting in 1951 by nearly every President through Bill Clinton, and amended twice by George W. Bush.

Barack Obama may be arrogant, and the timing of this release might have looked a little strange, but this is really nothing to worry about at all.

Update: It’s worth noting, too, that the second change by Bush to EO 12919 came through an amendment to EO 11858 that eliminated requirements of Cabinet officials to report on attempts by foreigners to invest in “critical technologies” in the US or “industrial espionage activities” targeting defense contractors (Section 801).  Obama’s new EO doesn’t reverse that action, either.

Update II: William Jacobson comes to the same conclusion I do at Legal Insurrection:

There is enough that Obama actually does wrong without creating claims which do not hold up to scrutiny.

I’m not ruling out the possibility that this is more than it seems, but unless and until someone does more than merely state that martial law is coming, I’ll consider this to be routine.

Agreed.  All the links are above, so if there’s something significant added between this EO and 12919 and the Bush-amended versions of it in 2003 and 2008, point it out.  Otherwise, this just restates the Bush-amended 12919 with current Cabinet nomenclature.

Update III: One commenter notes that Obama has added to Section 201(b) the phrase “under both emergency and non-emergency conditions.”  In 12919, though, the duties of the Cabinet Secretaries were not limited to emergency situations in Section 201(b), either.  And in both EOs, section 102 specifically notes that the EO is intended to ensure defense preparedness “in peacetime and in times of national emergency.”

Update IV: Section 308 is new, but all it does is delegate authority already granted to the President under US statute.  Here’s the EO language:

Sec308.  Government-Owned Equipment.  The head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense is delegated the authority of the President under section 303(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2093(e), to:

(a)  procure and install additional equipment, facilities, processes, or improvements to plants, factories, and other industrial facilities owned by the Federal Government and to procure and install Government owned equipment in plants, factories, or other industrial facilities owned by private persons;

(b)  provide for the modification or expansion of privately owned facilities, including the modification or improvement of production processes, when taking actions under sections 301, 302, or 303 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2091, 2092, 2093; and

(c)  sell or otherwise transfer equipment owned by the Federal Government and installed under section 303(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2093(e), to the owners of such plants, factories, or other industrial facilities.

And here’s the existing statutory language that originated in the Defense Production Act of 1950 (pardon the formatting):

(e) Installation of equipment in industrial facilities
(1) Installation authorized
If the President determines that such action will aid the national defense, the President is authorized—

(A) to procure and install additional equipment, facilities, processes or improvements to plants, factories, and other industrial facilities owned by the Federal Government;

(B) to procure and install equipment owned by the Federal Government in plants, factories, and other industrial facilities owned by private persons;

(C) to provide for the modification or expansion of privately owned facilities, including the modification or improvement of production processes, when taking actions under section 301 [section 2091 of this Appendix], 302 [section 2092 of this Appendix], or this section; and

(D) to sell or otherwise transfer equipment owned by the Federal Government and installed under this subsection to the owners of such plants, factories, or other industrial facilities.

(2) Indemnification
The owner of any plant, factory, or other industrial facility that receives equipment owned by the Federal Government under this section shall agree—

(A) to waive any claim against the United States under section 107 or 113 of the Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act of 1980 (42 U.S.C. 9607 and 9613); and

(B) to indemnify the United States against any claim described in paragraph (1) made by a third party that arises out of the presence or use of equipment owned by the Federal Government.

Again, this is nothing new or outside of existing statutory authority — and the EO makes that clear by explicitly citing that authority.  All this does is delegate the authority for these actions to the Cabinet officials.  This again is nothing new, just a delegation of existing authority.

Update V: Gabriel Malor concurs over at AoSHQ.

Update VI: I don’t disagree at all with Doug Mataconis:

It all sounds pretty scary, and it wasn’t long before the usual suspects were citing this as evidence of some kind of plan for martial law, just as there were people on the left and far-right in asserting that George Bush was going to declare martial law and cancel the elections in 2004 and 2008. Considering who it was who was spreading the meme that this was some kind of power grab by the Obama Administration, I wasn’t inclined to believe it to begin with. However, once you actually look at the facts (yes, I know, how dare I muddle up a good conspiracy theory with actual facts) it becomes pretty clear that not only is the reaction to this wildly over the top in some corners, but the Executive Order itself is nothing more than a restatement of policy that has been in place in decades and grants no authority to the President or the Cabinet that they don’t already have under existing law. …

There are, perhaps, some issues worth discussing that this EO raises. The fact that the President of the United States is still exercising authority granted during the Korean War and the height of the Cold War is yet another reflection of how power, once assumed by the Imperial Presidency, is never surrendered. The fact that an Executive Order like this was released on a Friday afternoon and has been largely ignored by the traditional media is an indication of just how easy it is for politicians to manipulate the news cycle. And the idea that the government has authority like that described in this document, even only in theory, and that most Americans aren’t even aware of it, is a reflection of just how little we know about the things that are done in our name. Those are all legitimate issues, but they go far deeper than this one relatively innocuous Executive Order.

Indeed — but all of that was equally true before Obama issued an update to a 73-year-old effort that changed nothing about his executive authority and power.  To the extent that we’re all more aware of it, that’s good, but we shouldn’t act as though this was an Obama novelty, and we really shouldn’t jump to conspiracy-think conclusions without understanding the history of these EOs.


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A lot of people on here sound an awful lot like lefties under Bush exhibiting clear signs of Bush Derangement Syndrome. Exactly like them in some cases.

Boomer_Sooner on March 18, 2012 at 11:35 AM

You’re developing a peculiar theme yourself.

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Hot Air didn’t have this first…Pamela Gellers site did last night… Atlas Shrugs…

just so you know…

Huckleberry Mike on March 18, 2012 at 11:31 AM

And The Blogmocracy had it up 10 hours before Pam. (though to be fair, Pam did a far more through posting)

President Obama signs Executive Order allowing for control over all US resources

SWalker on March 18, 2012 at 11:40 AM

A lot of people on here sound an awful lot like lefties under Bush exhibiting clear signs of Bush Derangement Syndrome. Exactly like them in some cases.

Boomer_Sooner on March 18, 2012 at 11:35 AM

I suppose so, but look at who this president’s friends are. I always go back to Bill Ayers in times like this. Would you “pal around” with a guy who blew up federal buildings and killed people to move his political agenda? I mean, who does that!? Who finds people like that to be acceptable friends? Yikes, our president, that’s who.

And the OWS stuff. He enjoyed — really, really enjoyed — the violence, the fighting, the throwing stuff at cops. It made him happy. Is this a man invested in our liberties?

He wants a proletariat revolution. And when he gets one, he’ll use it as a cover for martial law. That sounds nutty to you? With so much evidence in that regard?

Rational Thought on March 18, 2012 at 11:41 AM

In the past, it took a lot of constitutionally established checks and balances to establish a ‘national defense emergency’.
No one in this admin even acknowledges the need for those.
They know hold ALL authority to DEFINE a national emergency, no ??
And we’re just going all freakazoic, here ?
I think not.

pambi on March 18, 2012 at 11:43 AM

A lot of people on here sound an awful lot like lefties under Bush exhibiting clear signs of Bush Derangement Syndrome. Exactly like them in some cases.

Boomer_Sooner on March 18, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Tell me about the New White Cougar Party members with nightsticks in front of polling places during the Bush years. This should be a good story. Facts only, please.

Yoop on March 18, 2012 at 11:43 AM

“Barack Obama may be arrogant, and the timing of this release might have looked a little strange, but this is really nothing to worry about at all.”

Then why don’t I feel reassured, Ed.

And as much as I like William Jacobson, he himself admits that he has not “red lined” the changes made by Obama.

Indeed, I have to say I agree with Justrand: that this Administration took it upon itself to decide when Congress was in session, that it ignored the War Powers Act in Libya and a host of other problematic actions and words, makes this squirrley to me.

realwest on March 18, 2012 at 11:45 AM

He wants a proletariat revolution. And when he gets one, he’ll use it as a cover for martial law. That sounds nutty to you? With so much evidence in that regard?

Rational Thought on March 18, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Dear Sir, I refer you to Saul Alinski’s Rules for Radicals rule number 13… Now granted, you are a small scale target, however, none the less there it is…

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and ‘frozen.’…

“…any target can always say, ‘Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?’ When your ‘freeze the target,’ you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments…. Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the ‘others’ come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target…’

“One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other.”

SWalker on March 18, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Why am I still worried?

Fallon on March 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Because you’re part of that American constituency who has gone a little bit nutty in your hatred of Barack Obama.

libfreeordie on March 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM

I am incredibly fearful what’s going to happen to people like Rational Thought, Right Mover, Fallon and the other ODSers if Obama wins re-election in November. I’m certainly not going to go outside on election night, I have a feeling there’s going to be violence.

libfreeordie on March 18, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Nothing like calling people “nutty” because they you deem them to have irrational thoughts then turning around and having irrational fears about those same people. Who’s “nutty” now?

Bitter Clinger on March 18, 2012 at 11:46 AM

realwest on March 18, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Hey realwest…

SWalker on March 18, 2012 at 11:47 AM

As may have been covered earlier (haven’t read the comments), updating an existing order to reflect current conditions is unacceptable. Squabbling between agencies, in the event of an actual national emergency, regarding responsibilities must not be allowed.

Adding the sneaky little part about times other than emergencies cannot stand.

irongrampa on March 18, 2012 at 11:47 AM

I am incredibly fearful what’s going to happen to people like Rational Thought, Right Mover, Fallon and the other ODSers if Obama wins re-election in November. I’m certainly not going to go outside on election night, I have a feeling there’s going to be violence.

libfreeordie on March 18, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Oh, you poor widdle thing! Don’t be scared. We Conservatives will protect you from the ravaging mobs of obots – even if we don’t particularly like you. It’s the duty of the strong (that’d be Conservatives) to protect the weak (that’d be you and your sort).

btw, You’re starting to descend from condescending leftist to run-of-the-mill ‘concern’ troll. Tighten it up!

Solaratov on March 18, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Tell me about the New White Cougar Party members with nightsticks in front of polling places during the Bush years. This should be a good story. Facts only, please.

Yoop on March 18, 2012 at 11:43 AM

LOL!

KOOLAID2 on March 18, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Trolls. You’re going to lose in November, and you’re going to like it.

teacherman on March 18, 2012 at 11:49 AM

I’m certainly not going to go outside on election night, I have a feeling there’s going to be violence based upon OWS behavior when Obama loses..
libfreeordie on March 18, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Might want to ring up Geek Squad, think your keyboard was hesitating…FIFY

hillsoftx on March 18, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Crap, the above should have read “acceptable”–my bad.

And if the commenter Realwest really IS, hello, friend–can’t say how glad I am to read you again.

irongrampa on March 18, 2012 at 11:51 AM

The main thing that should scare people about this is the timing of this EO….I think it’s something more than just “a bit curious”.
Why on a Friday night?……why does Obama think this needed to be done now?

Ed, if this doesn’t scare you or make you just a wee bit nervous, then you’re certainly a braver man than I.

tencole on March 18, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Time to get afeared, Real America! Best get to your local Walmarts and stock up on Slim Jims and Cheetos while you can! You may want to use the broken appliances on the porch as barricades too.

KeninCT on March 18, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Moreover, one specific function of the US interstate system is to help facilitate the travel and delivery of relief supplies in the event of a national emergency.

ted c on March 18, 2012 at 10:49 AM

The primary function of the interstate highway system was the movement of military supplies and equipment in a war. That’s why the bridges and overpasses are built or upgraded to be able to carry the weight of the heaviest US tank and its transporter.

Solaratov on March 18, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Having worked in DoD and on parts of my agency’s Continuations Of Operations Plan (COOP, in the old parlance) much of the work we expected to be done was to be farmed out during a conventional war (or semi-conventional war). The problems with the COOP (and its follow-ons) is that it is based on a very much older technology system that was generally resistant to non-conventional attacks (like EMP although not a CME).

The idea that a centralized federal bureaucracy, which by its own admission doesn’t and can’t scope out a non-conventional attack until it is over, can coordinate a response to something very large scale like an EMP or CME is insane. All the COOPs I saw depended on the civilian power and comms infrastructure to be basically intact so as to utilize contract provisions for war related activities. No one has addressed what happens when the power and comms systems, plus anything else not in a Faraday cage or likewise shielded, goes down. The digital era of the late 1990′s to present now requires a rethinking of the very idea of a centralized, federal response to something that large. It can’t be done due to the reliance on the complex infrastructure.

What needs to be bolstered are distributed and local response systems and emergency preparedness, something the federal government has slowly been gutting via federal funds and their strings attached to them. When you see a snowstorm as an ‘emergency’ in NH and need federal funds to plow the roads because the local and State government haven’t set up a winter reserve… then it is the entire set of States and the people with a problem.

One rooted in the old fashioned command and control ideas for an economy that became rooted in an era and technology that are long, long gone. No amount of organizing from the federal side can deal with something that widespread… and lesser disasters are still better handled at the more local level.

ajacksonian on March 18, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Boomer_Sooner on March 18, 2012 at 11:35 AM

IIRC, The Won argued that the increased costs associated with Obamacare were not a tax prior to passage, yet is now arguing before the SC they are a tax. Precise language is important, huh?

a capella on March 18, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Oh. My. Gosh. This may have been rolled out under previous administrations, but those presidents paid fidelity to the United States Constitution. This one? Not so much. If anything, I’d like to see the whole damn thing scrapped so long as this guy is in the White House. Raise your hand if you believe Barack Obama declaring martial law would be done in the interests of the nation? Yeah. I didn’t think so.

Rational Thought on March 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM

….he makes recess appointments when lawmakers go home for the weekend…Oh no! Not JugEars! He loves his country!
He’s never been prouder! Yes We Can! November is so far away!

KOOLAID2 on March 18, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Hey teacherman: Obama is going to lose and lose BIG this November.

Based on a host of things, not the least of which is everyone I know knows someone who is unemployed, someone who’s home has been foreclosed or is in foreclosure and the price of gasoline COMBINED with Obama’s insistence on “Green Energy” which has YET to prove itself capable of providing electricity to any significant sized TOWN, much less Cities.

Not to mention that all of those Troops who’ve died or been horribly wounded in a war in Afghanistan that Obama OWNS by virtue of adding another 30,000 troops and is now in the process of withdrawing from way too hastily.

realwest on March 18, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Crap, the above should have read “acceptable”–my bad.

And if the commenter Realwest really IS, hello, friend–can’t say how glad I am to read you again.

irongrampa on March 18, 2012 at 11:51 AM

I’m pretty sure it’s him, his nic goes to C2, and I know realwest does post there regularly.

SWalker on March 18, 2012 at 11:57 AM

(haven’t read the comments),
irongrampa on March 18, 2012 at 11:47 AM

You might want to read through. There are many that express legitimate concern based on a thorough reading of the differences between this EO and earlier versions.

AlexJ on March 18, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Hey SWalker and irongrandpa – it is the same realwest who used to post on a blog run by a now husky,pony-tailed former bike rider and jazz guitarist!

Good to see you both again!!

realwest on March 18, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Time to get afeared, Real America! Best get to your local Walmarts and stock up on Slim Jims and Cheetos while you can! You may want to use the broken appliances on the porch as barricades too.

KeninCT on March 18, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Real Americans will do just that, SimpleSimon. And pay cash. While you liberals wait for the government to tell you which line to get into for your free Slim Jims and Cheetos.

Why are liberals so utterly incapable of doing anything for themselves? Why do we have to buy their cheetos?

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Y’all missed the part where Jailbreak is made Camp Commandant of the FEMA Concentration Camp for Thoughtcrime Criminals.

Allahpundit gets the bottom bunk!

victor82 on March 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM

The primary function of the interstate highway system was the movement of military supplies and equipment in a war. That’s why the bridges and overpasses are built or upgraded to be able to carry the weight of the heaviest US tank and its transporter.

Solaratov on March 18, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Did you also know the width of many lengths of national highways is also for the purpose of alternate runways?

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Time to get afeared, Real America! Best get to your local Walmarts and stock up on Slim Jims and Cheetos while you can! You may want to use the broken appliances on the porch as barricades too.

KeninCT on March 18, 2012 at 11:52 AM

As soon as the rednecks take over CT is going to be turned into a NASCAR theme park. Oh… wait. CT isn’t big enough? OK, it will become a pit stop for Harley owners.

Yoop on March 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Why are liberals so utterly incapable of doing anything for themselves? Why do we have to buy their cheetos?

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:01 PM

And condums. Don’t forget the condums. A valid non-emergency use of the language change.:)

a capella on March 18, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Speaking of KeninCT, one is reminded of what Mr. Churchill said of the Royal Navy when thinking of the Democratic Party:

“Don’t speak to me of Naval Tradition. It’s all rum, buggery, and the lash!”

victor82 on March 18, 2012 at 12:05 PM

I am incredibly fearful what’s going to happen to people like Rational Thought, Right Mover, Fallon and the other ODSers if Obama wins re-election in November. I’m certainly not going to go outside on election night, I have a feeling there’s going to be violence.

libfreeordie on March 18, 2012 at 10:46 AM

…I think it is the other way around! You may recall in 2010 how your friends in the purple and pee colored shirts reacted to the Tea Party folks!

KOOLAID2 on March 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:01 PM

And condums. Don’t forget the condums. A valid non-emergency use of the language change.:)

a capella on March 18, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Can all good Conservative from any of the parties just agree, here and now, that liberals are officially on notice and we simply are refusing to pay for their cheetos and condoms anymore?

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Hey hawkdriver – take it easy on him – he does apparently, after all, live in CT!!!

Oh and the answer to your question is that Progressives (the term “liberal” just as did the term “Democrat” went the way of the dinosaurs – try to imagine Scoop Jackson or Daniel Patrick Moynihan belonging to the “Democratic” party) don’t WORK – except for the Elites like John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi and they both married into considerable wealth. In fact, I can’t think of a prominent progressive who’s net worth (never mind income) doesn’t vastly overshadow those of most of us out here.

realwest on March 18, 2012 at 12:07 PM

I’m not ruling out the possibility that this is more than it seems, but unless and until someone does more than merely state that martial law is coming, I’ll consider this to be routine.

Obama has told us every step of the way what he is doing. He’s done it. All of it.
WHY THE HELL do we still give him the benefit of the doubt.

We give him wiggle room at our own peril!!!!!!!!

Good GRIEF!!

katy on March 18, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Ah Ed, this is sublime. Even your tepid concession to rationality is met with a solid wall of Obama derangement. You helped make ‘em Ed, you live with ‘em.

plewis on March 18, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Oh and the answer to your question is that Progressives don’t WORK – except for the Elites like John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi and they both married into considerable wealth. In fact, I can’t think of a prominent progressive who’s net worth (never mind income) doesn’t vastly overshadow those of most of us out here.

realwest on March 18, 2012 at 12:07 PM

That is not a compelling argument for me to have to buy Ken/SimpleSimon/Capitulus’s cheetos or condoms. I’m sorry, he can take on more shifts at the bus station and pay for it him/herself.

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM

But the government has also quietly been building and staffing up several large detention camps of some sort around the country over the last few years. The RFPs for these camps stated something like “for large scale detention of mass influx of illegal immigrants, or for other domestic programs as needed“. Given the current WH occupant, that concerns me a bit.

dentarthurdent on March 18, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Where are these detention camps? How many? Do you have any proof you can share to back up your claims?

ladyingray on March 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Time to get afeared, Real America! Best get to your local Walmarts and stock up on Slim Jims and Cheetos while you can! You may want to use the broken appliances on the porch as barricades too.
 
KeninCT on March 18, 2012 at 11:52 AM

 
It’s weird how being self-sufficient has become a source of ridicule for enlightened city dwellers. Hint: New Orleans.
 
And again, $5 says someone in your circle of friends has a pro-local-farming bumper sticker on their car.

rogerb on March 18, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Real Americans will do just that, SimpleSimon. And pay cash. While you liberals wait for the government to tell you which line to get into for your free Slim Jims and Cheetos.

Why are liberals so utterly incapable of doing anything for themselves? Why do we have to buy their cheetos?

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:01 PM

You’re a true hero, Jim! Cheetos for a FREEEE America!

KeninCT on March 18, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Hot Air didn’t have this first…Pamela Gellers site did last night… Atlas Shrugs…

just so you know…

Huckleberry Mike on March 18, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Ann Barnhardt had it yesterday at about 4:30PM EDT on her site.

Solaratov on March 18, 2012 at 12:15 PM

plewis on March 18, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Where’s that famous quote from crr6 regarding the cool names we conspiracy nuts have for Fast and Furious?

a capella on March 18, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Gee willickers !
We all know how much the O lurves him some Supreme Court.
When is Ocare going to be declared unconsititutional, again ??
Before the election ??
Hmm.. health care mandate struck down = non-emergency ??
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

pambi on March 18, 2012 at 12:17 PM

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:01 PM

You’re a true hero, Jim! Cheetos for a FREEEE America!

KeninCT on March 18, 2012 at 12:15 PM

I don’t get it, Deb.

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Hey Hawkdriver: “That is not a compelling argument for me to have to buy Ken/SimpleSimon/Capitulus’s cheetos or condoms. I’m sorry, he can take on more shifts at the bus station and pay for it him/herself.”

Hey, I thought we were supposed to be “Compassionate Conservatives”!?
:)
Besides, he doesn’t have a job at the bus station, it was beneath his dignity. Welfare, Food Stamps and such, not so much!

realwest on March 18, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Here’s a question: How many guys begging for female companionship on a dating site have a need for condums, free or otherwise? Really? I don’t think Kenny is going to be a big expenditure for real taxpayers, in that regard. Cheetos, on the other hand….

a capella on March 18, 2012 at 12:22 PM

My Facebook friends are in an uproar but I don’t think any of them actually read it. I agree with words above. We have enough to concern ourselves with this guy but this is not a misuse of power.
Give him a day or two. He and his gang deliver trouble multiple times per week.

FireBlogger on March 18, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Didn’t Youngstown Sheet and Tube v. Sawyer already deal with many of the elements of these EOs?

xkaydet65 on March 18, 2012 at 12:24 PM

And my lib buddies are up in arms over ANY state legislatures voting to have ‘informed consent’ be a part of the abortion industry, as is NORMAL in any other medical setting. Oy.
They’ll be just as affected by this sneaky power-grab, but remain distracted/oblivious.
God help us all !

pambi on March 18, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Hey, I thought we were supposed to be “Compassionate Conservatives”!?
:)
Besides, he doesn’t have a job at the bus station, it was beneath his dignity. Welfare, Food Stamps and such, not so much!

realwest on March 18, 2012 at 12:20 PM

NO!

I take the time to make my own beef jerky and Slim Jim like snacks. And I don’t eat cheetos. Why should we have to buy Ken his cheetos and snack food just because he doesn’t want to do extra shifts at the bus station? (And his job at the bus station isn’t exactly working “for” the bus station. IYKWIMAITYD)

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Here’s a question: How many guys begging for female companionship on a dating site have a need for condums, free or otherwise? Really? I don’t think Kenny is going to be a big expenditure for real taxpayers, in that regard. Cheetos, on the other hand….

a capella on March 18, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Well, the condoms he ties up into funny balloon animals for the kids in the park. Ken won’t be giving those up any easier than the free cheetos.

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM

If this was the first of many questionable acts by the White House, I would think little of it. But, we have had three years of track record from these Marxists. After all, it is for our own protection…

d1carter on March 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Forget about argueing whats might be in it……..Focus on what precedent tells us Obama will with it.

Case in point the Chrysler Bond Holders——He will throw the Rule of Law out in a second to reach the goal he wants.

this bill simply opens the door up for him to interpret it to say what he wants………..he will take the actions he wants in a “crisis too good to waste”…….

and then throw it at the courts over 3 yrs to buy himself time…by then he’s already onto another Constitutional train wreck that will divert everyones attention from the original trashing.

Our Founding Fathers couldnt comprehend that there would be those that would simply disregard the document, and thus built no teeth into it for the other 2 branches of govt to action quickly.

They stated that is up to the people….hence Thomas Jeffersons statement that it needs to be refreshed with blood periodically

sbark on March 18, 2012 at 12:29 PM

I’m certainly not going to go outside on election night, I have a feeling there’s going to be violence.

libfreeordie on March 18, 2012 at 10:46 AM

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*** SNORT ***
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Makes a mockery of the “free or die” part of your troll-name, huh? LOL
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BTW, do you have an operational firearm and the knowledge ability to use it?

ExpressoBold on March 18, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Time to get afeared, Real America! Best get to your local Walmarts and stock up on Slim Jims and Cheetos while you can! You may want to use the broken appliances on the porch as barricades too.

KeninCT on March 18, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Well, well…kenin must be taking a break from all those hot dates he’s been getting from his lonely hearts ad.
The poor thing must be worn to a frazzle.

Solaratov on March 18, 2012 at 12:31 PM

I stopped reading the regime’s latest edict after the paragraph including “to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids.”

Commander in Chief Jack D. Ripper

viking01 on March 18, 2012 at 12:32 PM

a capella on March 18, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Beat me to it. I was trying to have a conversation with the gilled one over at the Sunday open thread. Boy was that a waste of time. ; )

Bmore on March 18, 2012 at 12:32 PM

The poor thing must be worn to a frazzle.

Solaratov on March 18, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Ken’s wrist ?

viking01 on March 18, 2012 at 12:33 PM

NO!
I take the time to make my own beef jerky and Slim Jim like snacks. And I don’t eat cheetos. Why should we have to buy Ken his cheetos and snack food just because he doesn’t want to do extra shifts at the bus station? (And his job at the bus station isn’t exactly working “for” the bus station. IYKWIMAITYD)
hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Mop boy at the local AV “library”

MeatHeadinCA on March 18, 2012 at 12:34 PM

*** SNORT ***
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Makes a mockery of the “free or die” part of your troll-name, huh? LOL
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BTW, do you have an operational firearm and the knowledge ability to use it?

ExpressoBold on March 18, 2012 at 12:30 PM

It’s already admitted it screwed up when it made it’s screen-name. It literally sounds like the intent of thought is “I want to be liberal free or I want to die.”

The first time it posted a comment that indicated it was in fact as far left and liberal as it could possibly be, it should have been banned just for it’s idiotic pick of it’s moniker.

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Didn’t Youngstown Sheet and Tube v. Sawyer already deal with many of the elements of these EOs?

xkaydet65 on March 18, 2012 at 12:24 PM

It did. But Obama, being the “constitutional scholar” that he is, thinks he knows better than SCOTUS.

Syzygy on March 18, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Of course I’m thinking KeninCT ain’t really a much better investment. I’m out, have a great day every one! Except you simplesimon, you have a sub par day. Did you ever get that sofa burned?

Bmore on March 18, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Power grab or mere update?

If we still get to vote: Power grab.

BetseyRoss on March 18, 2012 at 12:40 PM

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Mop boy at the local AV “library”

MeatHeadinCA on March 18, 2012 at 12:34 PM

I’ve been told it gives therapeutic oral massages (TOMs) to winos in the alley just behind the bus station for ten bucks a session. Now, I heard this when it went by the name SimpleSimon so … it could have received some manner of promotion by now.

Like an upgrade to the train station. His career might just be on track now.

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM

I thought Hot Air’s favorite psycho Kenny was supposed to be away sharing a gin enhanced weekend with MoDo listening to Barry Manilow records and straightening bows on all the stuffed animals.

viking01 on March 18, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Why am I still worried?

Fallon on March 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Because you’re part of that American constituency who has gone a little bit nutty in your hatred of Barack Obama.

libfreeordie on March 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM

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Opposing Barack Obama’s agenda does NOT = “hate”.
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libfree’, I swear you’re part of that American constituency who wants to give the United States over to the likes of “Mike” Gorbechev, Maurice Strong, and George Soros.

listens2glenn on March 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM

I’ve been told it gives therapeutic oral massages (TOMs) to winos in the alley just behind the bus station for ten bucks a session. Now, I heard this when it went by the name SimpleSimon so … it could have received some manner of promotion by now.
Like an upgrade to the train station. His career might just be on track now.
hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Maybe Obama paid him for his services. You know, stimulating job growth or something.

MeatHeadinCA on March 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I thought Hot Air’s favorite psycho Kenny was supposed to be away sharing a gin enhanced weekend with MoDo listening to Barry Manilow records and straightening bows on all the stuffed animals.

viking01 on March 18, 2012 at 12:43 PM

MoDo stood him up. His best shot in the last 15 years and it fell through. Poor ken.

VegasRick on March 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I’ve been told it gives therapeutic oral massages (TOMs) to winos in the alley just behind the bus station for ten bucks a session. Now, I heard this when it went by the name SimpleSimon so … it could have received some manner of promotion by now.

Like an upgrade to the train station. His career might just be on track now.

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Hey, we can’t all turn a high school diploma into a highly successful career like you did!

Keep up the good work, Jim!

KeninCT on March 18, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Barack Obama may be arrogant, and the timing of this release might have looked a little strange, but this is really nothing to worry about at all.

Thanks for a public service announcement on a slow news day.

One rooted in the old fashioned command and control ideas for an economy that became rooted in an era and technology that are long, long gone. No amount of organizing from the federal side can deal with something that widespread… and lesser disasters are still better handled at the more local level.

ajacksonian on March 18, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Bureaucrats update a bureaucratic anachronism that cannot accomplish what it claims. We need fewer federal employees spewing out this useless trivia.

WhatNot on March 18, 2012 at 12:50 PM

viking01 on March 18, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Sounds fabulous!

a capella on March 18, 2012 at 12:50 PM

… it should have been banned just for it’s idiotic pick of it’s moniker.

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:36 PM

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I’ve asked it three times now, in different threads, if it owns an operational firearm and has the ability to use it. It has yet to address any direct question regarding gun ownership.
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Let’s see how it feels about this: Voter ID should be a required element of voting participation in the upcoming national election. Anyone without any number of state-approved IDs should be turned away from the polling place.

ExpressoBold on March 18, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Even if this is based on prior statutory authority, in my view that just shows that prior administrations overstepped their Constitutional bounds, too.

Montjoie on March 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Hey, we can’t all turn a high school diploma into a highly successful career like you did!

Keep up the good work, Jim!

KeninCT on March 18, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Ken, I have a college degree.

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Ah Ed, this is sublime. Even your tepid concession to rationality is met with a solid wall of Obama derangement. You helped make ‘em Ed, you live with ‘em.

plewis on March 18, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Ummm right. Somehow, I seem to recall the “derangement” meme was born shortly after GWB was “selected by the SCOTUS”, when deranged liberals (sorry, I know that’s redundant) like yourself became full-fledged BDS lunatics in need of shock treatments and heavy meds, months before Bush was even inaugurated. Most of you, to this day, have still never recovered, despite the heavy meds and shock treatments.

Meanwhile, after enduring 3 years of Obama’s constant end-runs around the constitutional limits on his powers, his relentless race-baiting and class warfare, and his destructive, redistributive and blatant crony socialism – Patriotic opposition to the policies of the most un-American politician to ever get elected president is somehow “Obama derangement”?

Harbingeing on March 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Hey, we can’t all turn a high school diploma into a highly successful career like you did!
Keep up the good work, Jim!
KeninCT on March 18, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Don’t sell yourself short. Ask for a tip tonight.

MeatHeadinCA on March 18, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Ken, I have a college degree.
hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM

I think Ken is trying to say he’s a HS dropout.

MeatHeadinCA on March 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM

viking01 on March 18, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Sounds fabulous!

a capella on March 18, 2012 at 12:50 PM

I guess it’s a move up for Kenny compared to his usual weekend puppet show limited to a grand audience and cast of two hands unless he paints his toes.

Sorry to hear MoDo jilted him. Not to worry, Ken, unopened, that fine vintage Thunderbird will keep.

viking01 on March 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Ken, I have a college degree.

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM

But of course you do, Jim!

KeninCT on March 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM

This move has “straits of Hormuz” all over it.
IDB had a piece late last week that the Navy now has everything in place to keep the straits of Hormuz open if some “event” would cause it to be blocked, etc. The EO has all the fingerprints of whatever would be necessary on the domestic front if that comes to pass.

J_Crater on March 18, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Let’s see, we have economic depression, the cult of the Fuhrer (Obama), we have the violent street thugs (OWS) and we have the economic boycotts of the hated “others” (Rush, Beck, etc). And now this mildly-updated emergency powers document – hmm, such small changes, slid through on a Friday night.

So everything’s in place now. All we need is the Reichstag fire so that the Fuhrer – sorry, President – can declare a national emergency and take control of everything. For our own good, of course.

This really is starting to look like 1936 Germany.

Gearbox on March 18, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Ken, I have a college degree.

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM

But of course you do, Jim!

KeninCT on March 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM

I do Ken. My degree is in Professional Aeronautics. And I make my own snack food.

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Heavens! You Real Americans sure are angry today! Why not run along and watch some garishly painted vehicles drive in circles for a few hours? It may calm you down a bit.

KeninCT on March 18, 2012 at 1:02 PM

J_Crater on March 18, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Keep yer gas tank full. The New Black Panthers guarding the gas pumps, if the balloon goes up, isn’t an appetizing thought.

a capella on March 18, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Maybe Obama paid him for his services. You know, stimulating job growth or something.

MeatHeadinCA on March 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

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FIFY

NightmareOnKStreet on March 18, 2012 at 1:02 PM

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM

(…is Kenin missing a u and a n from his last name?…Bill Maher wants to know)

KOOLAID2 on March 18, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Heavens! You Real Americans sure are angry today! Why not run along and watch some garishly painted vehicles drive in circles for a few hours? It may calm you down a bit.

KeninCT on March 18, 2012 at 1:02 PM

LOL, Ken you never last long.

Nuff o this. Ken, you have a wonderful day at the bus/train station. And remember, if you do a great job, you “deserve” that tip.

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Heavens! You Real Americans sure are angry today! Why not run along and watch some garishly painted vehicles drive in circles for a few hours? It may calm you down a bit.

KeninCT on March 18, 2012 at 1:02 PM

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Said the fake ‘plastic’ American.

listens2glenn on March 18, 2012 at 1:09 PM

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM

(…is Kenin missing a u and a n from his last name?…Bill Maher wants to know)

KOOLAID2 on March 18, 2012 at 1:04 PM

I’m not sure if it’s even male or female. A popular hypothesis was at one time, that it was the notorious Deb “Little Debbie Snackcakes” Frisch of internet self-destruct fame. But who cares what it is? It’s only fun in the most juvenile of senses in that most of us like to poke it with a stick and watch it lose it.

Like it did today.

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Time to get afeared, Real America! Best get to your local Walmarts and stock up on Slim Jims and Cheetos while you can! You may want to use the broken appliances on the porch as barricades too.

KeninCT on March 18, 2012 at 11:52 AM

It’s always nice to see someone from the other camp make a mockery of their own ideals like true “diversity” and “tolerance”.

Pull your hem down Nancy, your prejudice is showing.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on March 18, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Well, the condoms he ties up into funny balloon animals for the kids in the park. Ken won’t be giving those up any easier than the free cheetos.

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM

The simple fact that they’re free and considered a “right” make them a necessity for kenny.

Solaratov on March 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM

I think Ken is trying to say he’s a HS dropout.

MeatHeadinCA on March 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM

……no!…KeninC_ _T just can’t find his transcripts!

KOOLAID2 on March 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM

So everything’s in place now. All we need is the Reichstag fire so that the Fuhrer – sorry, President – can declare a national emergency and take control of everything. For our own good, of course.

This really is starting to look like 1936 Germany.

Gearbox on March 18, 2012 at 12:58 PM

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Yup.
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And it isn’t like we didn’t see it coming, either. : (

listens2glenn on March 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM

It’s only fun in the most juvenile of senses in that most of us like to poke it with a stick and watch it lose it.

Like it did today.

hawkdriver on March 18, 2012 at 1:11 PM

…I think someone throws the stick…yells FETCH…and then… it runs!

KOOLAID2 on March 18, 2012 at 1:15 PM

This really is starting to look like 1936 Germany.

Gearbox on March 18, 2012 at 12:58 PM

And it isn’t like we didn’t see it coming, either. : (

listens2glenn on March 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM

I just got an urge to go out and buy some more ammo today.

VegasRick on March 18, 2012 at 1:16 PM

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