“National Defense Resources Preparedness” executive order: Power grab or mere update?

posted at 10:30 am on March 18, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

We’re getting a lot of e-mail this weekend about an executive order issued on Friday afternoon by President Obama titled “National Defense Resources Preparedness.”  While the timing of the EO is curious — why send it out on a Friday afternoon when an administration is usually trying to sneak bad news past the media? — the general impact of it is negligible.  This EO simply updates another EO (12919) that had been in place since June 1994, and amended several times since.

Let’s start with Friday’s EO:

Section 101.  Purpose.  This order delegates authorities and addresses national defense resource policies and programs under the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended (the “Act”).

Sec102.  Policy.  The United States must have an industrial and technological base capable of meeting national defense requirements and capable of contributing to the technological superiority of its national defense equipment in peacetime and in times of national emergency.  The domestic industrial and technological base is the foundation for national defense preparedness.  The authorities provided in the Act shall be used to strengthen this base and to ensure it is capable of responding to the national defense needs of the United States.

Sounds dramatic, doesn’t it?  This actually matches the language in EO 12919, however, even the part about “in peacetime.”  What follows is significantly less dramatic:

Sec103.  General Functions.  Executive departments and agencies (agencies) responsible for plans and programs relating to national defense (as defined in section 801(j) of this order), or for resources and services needed to support such plans and programs, shall:

(a)  identify requirements for the full spectrum of emergencies, including essential military and civilian demand;

(b)  assess on an ongoing basis the capability of the domestic industrial and technological base to satisfy requirements in peacetime and times of national emergency, specifically evaluating the availability of the most critical resource and production sources, including subcontractors and suppliers, materials, skilled labor, and professional and technical personnel;

(c)  be prepared, in the event of a potential threat to the security of the United States, to take actions necessary to ensure the availability of adequate resources and production capability, including services and critical technology, for national defense requirements;

(d)  improve the efficiency and responsiveness of the domestic industrial base to support national defense requirements; and

(e)  foster cooperation between the defense and commercial sectors for research and development and for acquisition of materials, services, components, and equipment to enhance industrial base efficiency and responsiveness.

Again, this is almost identical to EO 12919 from 18 years earlier.  Note what this EO specifically orders: identify, assess, be prepared, improve, foster cooperation.  None of these items claim authority to seize private property and place them at the personal disposal of Obama.  What follows after Section 103 are the directives for implementing these rather analytical tasks, mostly in the form of explicit delegations of presidential authority to Cabinet members and others in the executive branch.

Why the update?  If one takes a look at EO 12919, the big change is in the Cabinet itself.  In 1994, we didn’t have a Department of Homeland Security, for instance, and some of these functions would naturally fall to DHS.  In EO 12919, the FEMA director had those responsibilities, and the biggest change between the two is the removal of several references to FEMA (ten in all).   Otherwise, there aren’t a lot of changes between the two EOs, which looks mainly like boilerplate.

In fact, that’s almost entirely what it is.  The original EO dealing with national defense resources preparedness was issued in 1939 (EO 8248) according to the National Archives.  It has been superseded a number of times, starting in 1951 by nearly every President through Bill Clinton, and amended twice by George W. Bush.

Barack Obama may be arrogant, and the timing of this release might have looked a little strange, but this is really nothing to worry about at all.

Update: It’s worth noting, too, that the second change by Bush to EO 12919 came through an amendment to EO 11858 that eliminated requirements of Cabinet officials to report on attempts by foreigners to invest in “critical technologies” in the US or “industrial espionage activities” targeting defense contractors (Section 801).  Obama’s new EO doesn’t reverse that action, either.

Update II: William Jacobson comes to the same conclusion I do at Legal Insurrection:

There is enough that Obama actually does wrong without creating claims which do not hold up to scrutiny.

I’m not ruling out the possibility that this is more than it seems, but unless and until someone does more than merely state that martial law is coming, I’ll consider this to be routine.

Agreed.  All the links are above, so if there’s something significant added between this EO and 12919 and the Bush-amended versions of it in 2003 and 2008, point it out.  Otherwise, this just restates the Bush-amended 12919 with current Cabinet nomenclature.

Update III: One commenter notes that Obama has added to Section 201(b) the phrase “under both emergency and non-emergency conditions.”  In 12919, though, the duties of the Cabinet Secretaries were not limited to emergency situations in Section 201(b), either.  And in both EOs, section 102 specifically notes that the EO is intended to ensure defense preparedness “in peacetime and in times of national emergency.”

Update IV: Section 308 is new, but all it does is delegate authority already granted to the President under US statute.  Here’s the EO language:

Sec308.  Government-Owned Equipment.  The head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense is delegated the authority of the President under section 303(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2093(e), to:

(a)  procure and install additional equipment, facilities, processes, or improvements to plants, factories, and other industrial facilities owned by the Federal Government and to procure and install Government owned equipment in plants, factories, or other industrial facilities owned by private persons;

(b)  provide for the modification or expansion of privately owned facilities, including the modification or improvement of production processes, when taking actions under sections 301, 302, or 303 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2091, 2092, 2093; and

(c)  sell or otherwise transfer equipment owned by the Federal Government and installed under section 303(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2093(e), to the owners of such plants, factories, or other industrial facilities.

And here’s the existing statutory language that originated in the Defense Production Act of 1950 (pardon the formatting):

(e) Installation of equipment in industrial facilities
(1) Installation authorized
If the President determines that such action will aid the national defense, the President is authorized—

(A) to procure and install additional equipment, facilities, processes or improvements to plants, factories, and other industrial facilities owned by the Federal Government;

(B) to procure and install equipment owned by the Federal Government in plants, factories, and other industrial facilities owned by private persons;

(C) to provide for the modification or expansion of privately owned facilities, including the modification or improvement of production processes, when taking actions under section 301 [section 2091 of this Appendix], 302 [section 2092 of this Appendix], or this section; and

(D) to sell or otherwise transfer equipment owned by the Federal Government and installed under this subsection to the owners of such plants, factories, or other industrial facilities.

(2) Indemnification
The owner of any plant, factory, or other industrial facility that receives equipment owned by the Federal Government under this section shall agree—

(A) to waive any claim against the United States under section 107 or 113 of the Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act of 1980 (42 U.S.C. 9607 and 9613); and

(B) to indemnify the United States against any claim described in paragraph (1) made by a third party that arises out of the presence or use of equipment owned by the Federal Government.

Again, this is nothing new or outside of existing statutory authority — and the EO makes that clear by explicitly citing that authority.  All this does is delegate the authority for these actions to the Cabinet officials.  This again is nothing new, just a delegation of existing authority.

Update V: Gabriel Malor concurs over at AoSHQ.

Update VI: I don’t disagree at all with Doug Mataconis:

It all sounds pretty scary, and it wasn’t long before the usual suspects were citing this as evidence of some kind of plan for martial law, just as there were people on the left and far-right in asserting that George Bush was going to declare martial law and cancel the elections in 2004 and 2008. Considering who it was who was spreading the meme that this was some kind of power grab by the Obama Administration, I wasn’t inclined to believe it to begin with. However, once you actually look at the facts (yes, I know, how dare I muddle up a good conspiracy theory with actual facts) it becomes pretty clear that not only is the reaction to this wildly over the top in some corners, but the Executive Order itself is nothing more than a restatement of policy that has been in place in decades and grants no authority to the President or the Cabinet that they don’t already have under existing law. …

There are, perhaps, some issues worth discussing that this EO raises. The fact that the President of the United States is still exercising authority granted during the Korean War and the height of the Cold War is yet another reflection of how power, once assumed by the Imperial Presidency, is never surrendered. The fact that an Executive Order like this was released on a Friday afternoon and has been largely ignored by the traditional media is an indication of just how easy it is for politicians to manipulate the news cycle. And the idea that the government has authority like that described in this document, even only in theory, and that most Americans aren’t even aware of it, is a reflection of just how little we know about the things that are done in our name. Those are all legitimate issues, but they go far deeper than this one relatively innocuous Executive Order.

Indeed — but all of that was equally true before Obama issued an update to a 73-year-old effort that changed nothing about his executive authority and power.  To the extent that we’re all more aware of it, that’s good, but we shouldn’t act as though this was an Obama novelty, and we really shouldn’t jump to conspiracy-think conclusions without understanding the history of these EOs.


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Look up the two, and their ultimate end, and you’ll get the point Bishop is making. Unfortunately the point is probably lost on HAL.

NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 6:52 PM

No need, I already got the point Bishop was making.

I was just making a joke in the same vein, i.e the sycophantic state security apparatus never sleeps.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 19, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Hey! This must be the first Sunday show appearance for a hobbit!

PD Quig on May 19, 2013 at 9:21 PM

If my party and people who share my ideology start raving about how they are so proud to be anti America like the tea billies, I say target them too.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:33 PM

So were you in a coma from 2001-2009, or on a different planet?

Good Solid B-Plus on May 19, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Uranus.

Is HAL’s poster of the O above his bed a naked O????????

either orr on May 19, 2013 at 7:20 PM

On black velvet. I’ve heard they sell well in black gay bars up there in DC.

slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2013 at 7:33 PM

velveteen no doubt…probably too cheap for actual velvet.

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 7:43 PM

My job takes me into the homes of anonymous people, and over the past 4+ years I have been amazed to see more than a few who literally had O’bama Shrines not only in their living rooms, but more frequently in their bedrooms. And these were all folks who are white.

Never saw that before, even with JFK or Reagan. To these fools, O’bama is The Pope.

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 9:29 PM

To these fools, O’bama is The Pope.

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 9:29 PM

to me he’s the Dope.
And there is no hope from that dope.

dmacleo on May 19, 2013 at 10:06 PM

The only hack here is HotAirLib.

Here’s Karl

On Sunday’s “Reliable Sources,” Howard Kurtz relayed a statement from the ABC News correspondent: “Clearly, I regret the email was quoted incorrectly and I regret that it’s become a distraction from the story, which still entirely stands. I should have been clearer about the attribution. We updated our story immediately.”

In twitter comments Karl regrets that be didn’t cite the source of his information as a note and not a primary source.

In other words he still stands by his reporting. Just like the linked NRO story states.

gwelf on May 19, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Dealing with the Obama administration is much like catching a 3-4 year old child in an obvious lie.

landlines on May 19, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Is HAL’s poster of the O above his bed a naked O????????

either orr on May 19, 2013 at 7:20 PM

On black velvet. I’ve heard they sell well in black gay bars up there in DC.

slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2013 at 7:33 PM

velveteen no doubt…probably too cheap for actual velvet.

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 7:43 PM

My job takes me into the homes of anonymous people, and over the past 4+ years I have been amazed to see more than a few who literally had O’bama Shrines not only in their living rooms, but more frequently in their bedrooms. And these were all folks who are white.

Never saw that before, even with JFK or Reagan. To these fools, O’bama is The Pope.

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Weird.

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 11:34 PM

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Babe, if they put your brain on a razor blade it’d look like a BB rollin’ down a four lane highway…..

Long John Baldry, Mar Y Sol

Tenwheeler on May 19, 2013 at 11:49 PM

“WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?” “IT’S NOT RELEVANT”! “I DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT”. “WE ARE ALL UNFETTERED”. “IT MAY HAVE BEEN WRONG BUT IT WASN’T ILLEGAL”.
OBAMA’S LEGACY

inspectorudy on May 19, 2013 at 11:56 PM

And the big point… “Why were we working off notes?”

Because the White House didn’t allow copies of the e-mails to be distributed…

It was a limited release of some data with large restrictions… the way Obama plays everything. And a few people could see it for just a bit, but they couldn’t have a copy.

On March 19, the White House briefed the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, along with staff for Speaker John Boehner and minority leader Nancy Pelosi, on the emails in question. Those at the briefing were permitted to take notes but not copy the contents of the emails.

Why not let them have copies if they could see them?

Because letting them have a copy would get accurate quotes of course; and that wouldn’t be acceptable.

gekkobear on May 20, 2013 at 12:01 AM

If my party and people who share my ideology start raving about how they are so proud to be anti America like the tea billies, I say target them too.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Tea Partiers aren’t anti America. They advocate sticking with American ideas like those expressed in the Constitution. If they’re anti-American, then so was James Madison.

They probably represent a majority of the people who remember why America is different than most nations, and what gives individual Americans the ability to improve their lot in life.

A big central government can’t supply happiness or success. Heck, it can’t even supply toilet paper.

hawksruleva on May 20, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Its a good thing that I ate supper several hours ago because I would have puked my guts out after watching the horses ASS David Gregory on NBC’s hoax Sunday show. He’s another Chapstick addict. The only thing he did was chap his lips kissing Obama’s ASS for the whole show.

I know the answer to my own question but how in the hell can anybody with at least half a brain take this $h!t from Obama’s minions seriously

hamradio on May 20, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Believing this is believing Obama was actually outraged the IRS targeted those tea party fraudulent groups. A targeting strategy i am 100% for.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Because, you know, that targeting strategy could never be used against causes you favor.

ctwelve on May 20, 2013 at 2:07 AM

Believing this is believing Obama was actually outraged the IRS targeted those tea party fraudulent groups. A targeting strategy i am 100% for.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM

An idiot wrapped up in a moron !!!

hamradio on May 20, 2013 at 3:35 AM

Babe, if they put your brain on a razor blade it’d look like a BB rollin’ down a four lane highway…..

Long John Baldry, Mar Y Sol

Tenwheeler on May 19, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Nice!

totherightofthem on May 20, 2013 at 7:08 AM

He has given you all he wants to give you.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM

I’m guessing you stand ready to take a little more from him, though, right?

Go towel off. Your fear permeates the room.

totherightofthem on May 20, 2013 at 7:28 AM

Me guess, all the evils in the universe are the republicans fault. There can be no government big enough to counter all the ills that republicans do.

racquetballer on May 20, 2013 at 7:53 AM

I didn’t think the WH could do worse than Carney or Rice….until this clown…

easyt65 on May 20, 2013 at 8:12 AM

There is an achilles heel with Banghazi.It is where was zero when the terror types attacked.They can’t and won’t answer that one question,they will have to lie.

rodguy911 on May 20, 2013 at 8:14 AM

Release the kracken! Or, at least Obama’s transcripts from Harvard.

racquetballer on May 20, 2013 at 8:50 AM

First, this is to cover the fact two days of emails are still missing THE FIRST TWO DAYS! What is on them? Oh yeah, the really bad stuff.

Second- A sign your administration is in trouble is when it sends out the some intern looking fellow who is back from a college break!

It’s like “Dude, I don’t know what is going on, but these guys from the White House grabbed me on my way to the beach with my board and put this suit on me. They said if I keep repeating the same line over and over, they would take me to Subway afterward for a footlong! I mean who could say no! Knarly!”

Put “Biff” back in the closet and get someone who thinks they have future in politics worth risking to show up.

Right now the equation appears to be: Rats=sinking ship= get the F out!

just saying…

archer52 on May 20, 2013 at 8:54 AM

“The Law is Irrelevant.”

Words mean something!

When miller, head of the IRS, kept being asked over and over ‘don’t you think Congress needed to know what you know – about the scandals – the last time you appeared before us’ he repeated over and over ‘I answered the questions you asked.’ He implied he had no obligation to tell them anything, & it wasn’t his fault they ased the wrong questions. It was technical legalese BS – carefully chosen words to avoid answering their question while insisting to them that his misleading Congress was not wrong because he never technically lied.

When Strong used these 4 words he declared to the world what many of us already knew – the Constitution & U.S. Laws mean NOTHING to this President & his administration! His oath of office meant nothing, his vow to defend & uphold the Constitution & rule of law meant nothing. He declared his war on both of them before he was elected, vowing to fundamentally change the U.S. if elected. By using these 4 words, Strong identified this adminsitration – this President – as an ENEMY OF THE STATE who has intentionally violated the Constitution & law repeatedly…and a declaration that they have no intention of stopping.

easyt65 on May 20, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Back to Bill Clinton, and “is” .

Is it a lie or not.

A lie is a lie.

Is lie.

Is.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 20, 2013 at 9:32 AM

My job takes me into the homes of anonymous people, and over the past 4+ years I have been amazed to see more than a few who literally had O’bama Shrines not only in their living rooms, but more frequently in their bedrooms. And these were all folks who are white.

Never saw that before, even with JFK or Reagan. To these fools, O’bama is The Pope.

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 9:29 PM

I’ve seen this once before,..

My grandmother was born in the 1890′s, raised two seperate sets of kids, one through the depression, outlived three husbands..

and kept till her dying day an FDR shrine, with portrait, candles, flower vases, little plaques..

I never understood why?.. but as an under 10 child never asked about it.

I can say without reservation, I loved Ronald Maximous Reagan, he was MY preside4nt. I voted for him, served under him as my CIC, and died a little bit inside the day he passed away. I’d lost my father all over again in a way…. but that’s my point, to me he was like a loved family member.

Never, did I have a shrine in my home about him, not a picture on the wall, no candles, no daily prayers for his soul.

Because all to many democrats aren’t looking for a hero.. but a demigod. Someone more than human who reaches them on a level we reserve for God only.. them.. he IS GOD.

I lost an uncle recently, didn’t go to his funeral, was not welcome. we were estranged, because of an argument over Reagan back almost 20 years ago.. He was stunned I was a republican, and he being a WW II vet, informed me, I was unAmerican, and almost a traitor because I wasn’t in the little guy’s FDR party..

It got ugly, and later when I said, let’s put our politics aside, and just be family..

he slammed the door in my face..

This is what we’re dealing with, their party is their church, the president of that party, God..

and apostates are to be shunned..

mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 9:36 AM

HotAirLib,

Stand still we are trying to pee in your face and you keep moving and dodgeing and the subject change drill.

Face the pee.

awk

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 20, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Me guess, all the evils in the universe are the republicans fault. There can be no government big enough to counter all the ills that republicans do.

racquetballer on May 20, 2013 at 7:53 AM

haha it is always fun to say this to lefties when dealing with them in person – shuts them up every time I’ve done it! :)

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 9:41 AM

This is an administration in full retreat, and an agenda that is finished.

Progressives that have to resort to intimidation tactics support the contention that they are devoid of any future without the ability to suppress the truth.

itsspideyman on May 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM

I’ve seen this once before,..

My grandmother was born in the 1890′s, raised two seperate sets of kids, one through the depression, outlived three husbands..

and kept till her dying day an FDR shrine, with portrait, candles, flower vases, little plaques..

I never understood why?.. but as an under 10 child never asked about it.

mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Living Colour – “Cult Of Personality”

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM

HotAirLib,

Stand still we are trying to pee in your face and you keep moving and dodgeing and the subject change drill.

Face the pee.

awk

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 20, 2013 at 9:37 AM

You’re comments lately have been cracking me up – good job! :)

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 9:55 AM

I can say without reservation, I loved Ronald Maximous Reagan, he was MY president. I voted for him, served under him as my CIC, and died a little bit inside the day he passed away. I’d lost my father all over again in a way…. but that’s my point, to me he was like a loved family member.

Same here. To continue your thought, I NEVER thought to put up a shrine to him. I considered (and I’m sure he felt the same way) him my equal, a man I could look in the eye and shake his hand with pride.

But that’s the nature of America, and one of its special properties, the thought that all under the eyes of God are created equal.

itsspideyman on May 20, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Hal from the comments being laughed at, seems clearly in the if a democrat does it, it’s legal camp.. and if they have to break some eggs (citizens lives) so be it… he he he..

nice.. so political persecution is permissible..

as long as a liberal does it..

Clearest confession of fascism yet from it.

mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 9:58 AM

No. Because I don’t care what your party thinks about said emails. There is never going to be enough emails for you conspiracy theorists.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:42 PM

…as you cite a conspiracy about the Republicans doctoring emails that can be debunked by the shining crystal administration releases the actual emails that shows that the Republicans doctored emails.

It’s funny that nobody on your side felt they had to wear the tinfoil hat for the “vast right-wing conspiracy” during the Clinton administration. Back then “conspiracy” wasn’t the commit-able word that it becomes today through the standard pattern of lib’s changing rules and what is and what isn’t politic.

Axeman on May 20, 2013 at 10:02 AM

itsspideyman on May 20, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Exactly.. you never got the feeling he felt superior to you, that were you to meet in a tavern or park, he’d shake your hand and talk to you, and actually care about your opinion.. on a purely neighborly man to man way.

I cannot see any president since,.. well maybe George Bush,.. to have that quality..

every democrat has the Adlie Stevenson edgey.. “what the hell do you want” attitude towards the little guy. LBJ had an ability to ACT like he cared, but he didn’t..

Obama is the worst of that subspecies..

The born to be King and rule you all mentality.. like it was some great favor you’re allowed to even exist on the same planet.. I knew in my gut, he was toxic, when an aide of his remarked, he was the only president not awed by the Oval Office.. that he put his feet on the desk carved from the timber of the HMS Resolute..

That kind of blind hubris.. entitlement leaves you speechless..

Mr. Reagan never set foot in that office without his suit jacket on, and insisted his staff do the same.. as did both Bush’s.

and Obama puts his feet on the desk.. as if it were carved just for him personally. Unbelievable.

mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 10:12 AM

This is what we’re dealing with, their party is their church, the president of that party, God..

and apostates are to be shunned..

mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Burt Prelutsky, a former lib/911-conservative, once wrote that he realized that libs don’t like each over that much, either. Their main communal bond is banding against the hated conservative. If you break that bond, you’re nothing to these people. No amount of agreement to lib causes saved Burt or Bernie Goldberg from being pushed further and further to the right.

Axeman on May 20, 2013 at 10:15 AM

The e-mails were doctored but the birth certificate wasn’t.

BWAHAHAHAHA

Bevan on May 20, 2013 at 10:19 AM

This is what we’re dealing with, their party is their church, the president of that party, God..

and apostates are to be shunned..

mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 9:36 AM

This sort of idolization reminds me of much communist history I have read & searched over & over again.
The times & events are so eerily similar in many, many ways.
People are afraid of Liberty.
And I admit, being free & being responsible for your own decisions, yourself, & your family & community is hard.
It is exactly why Liberty never really does last in society.
Bcs people are mostly scared of life & they do everything they can to avoid living it free.
Being a slave is much easier.

Badger40 on May 20, 2013 at 10:49 AM

mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Well put, and thank you for your service.

itsspideyman on May 20, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Badger40 on May 20, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Agreed Badger. Freedom is not for the faint-hearted. It takes no small amount of courage.

itsspideyman on May 20, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Jonathan Karl has apologized. He understands his reporting was flawed and the result was that he misrepresented the emails. – both in substance and in context.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Jonathan Karl has apologized. He understands his reporting was flawed and the result was that he misrepresented the emails. – both in substance and in context.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Oh so that makes all his other biased reporting OK. I see.
Now, when do we hear OBama’s giant a$$ apology for really fracking this country up?

Badger40 on May 20, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Jonathan Karl has apologized. He understands his reporting was flawed and the result was that he misrepresented the emails. – both in substance and in context.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 11:45 AM

He apologized for not clearly stating that his source for the email was a note of the email (since the email was not available) and not the email itself. None of the relevant issues his reporting has raised have changed. Karl hasn’t backed off at all of his reporting and it’s statements.

gwelf on May 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM

gwelf on May 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Of course, he/she/it could have realized that if it paid attention.
It is so pathetic when these apologists keep doubling down.

Badger40 on May 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Of course, he/she/it could have realized that if it paid attention.
It is so pathetic when these apologists keep doubling down.

Badger40 on May 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Their foolish haste to defend their Messiah provides good comedy for us non-Kool Aid drinkers, though. :)

As a reminder, this is Karl’s apology. Reading it, embarrassingly mistaken losers like verbaloser obviously do not understand what “in substance” means…

Jonathan Karl: “Clearly, I regret the email was quoted incorrectly and I regret that it’s become a distraction from the story, which still entirely stands. I should have been clearer about the attribution. We updated our story immediately.”

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Intellectually dishonest leftards like Shallow HAL and verbaloser are like people who mystifyingly believe that pointing out an opponent’s typo overshadows & invalidates what they are disagreeing with, no matter how factual its content may be…

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM

If my party and people who share my ideology start raving about how they are so proud to be anti America like the tea billies, I say target them too.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:33 PM

So your side railing that capitalism is bad, and the military is awful, and we shouldn’t have borders, and the Constitution is outdated and useless isn’t anti-American?

You’re not up on American history are you?

gekkobear on May 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Intellectually dishonest leftards like Shallow HAL and verbaloser are like people who mystifyingly believe that pointing out an opponent’s typo overshadows & invalidates what they are disagreeing with, no matter how factual its content may be…

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Pretty rich that you offer this when you’re coming from a place where the foundation of your accusations is nothing more than hypothetical speculations, suggestions of ‘meanings’, suspicions based based on imagined conversations and scenarios.
The real problem you and others pushing the false Benghazi narrative have to deal with, it that this burst of attention is in fact that…some attention.
And largely the conclusion rational folks reach when in fact seeing all this ‘evidence’, is that there’s nothing to it. They see it for exactly what it is – a political attack machine.
But as we’ve seen this week…you can shift the narrative on a dime. Example would be on the legit IRS issue…we’ve gone from ‘This is an outrage that the President must have known about all along! Don’t believe he was in the dark here!!’ –
to….’It’s an outrage the President didn’t know about this and was in the dark! How could he be so aloof!’.
Ha.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 1:53 PM

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 1:53 PM

ROFL@you & your lack of reading comprehension!

Jonathan Karl: “Clearly, I regret the email was quoted incorrectly and I regret that it’s become a distraction from the story, which still entirely stands. I should have been clearer about the attribution. We updated our story immediately.”

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 1:56 PM

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Listen up, TweezerLips. Think of it this way, HAPOS – eventually, there WILL be another Republican Administration. The law is ALL about prescedent. Now, imagine it the other way round and kindly STFU.

PJ Emeritus on May 20, 2013 at 2:09 PM

http://patdollard.com/2013/05/flashback-hillary-clinton-fired-from-watergate-investigation-for-lying-unethical-behavior-conspiracy-to-violate-the-constitution/

HILLARY IS TOTALLY TRUSTWORTHY…RIGHT?!

The now-retired general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, who supervised Hillary when she worked on the Watergate investigation, says Hillary’s history of lies and unethical behavior goes back farther – and goes much deeper – than anyone realizes.

Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. Hillary got a job working on the investigation at the behest of her former law professor, Burke Marshall, who was also Sen. Ted Kennedy’s chief counsel in the Chappaquiddick affair. When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation – one of only three people who earned that dubious distinction in Zeifman’s 17-year career.
Why?
“Because she was a liar,” Zeifman said in an interview last week. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”

“As soon as the impeachment resolutions were introduced by (then-House Minority Leader Gerald) Ford, and they were referred to the House Judiciary Committee, the first thing Douglas did was hire himself a lawyer,” Zeifman said.

The Judiciary Committee allowed Douglas to keep counsel, thus establishing the precedent. Zeifman says he told Hillary that all the documents establishing this fact were in the Judiciary Committee’s public files. So what did Hillary do?

“Hillary then removed all the Douglas files to the offices where she was located, which at that time was secured and inaccessible to the public,” Zeifman said. Hillary then proceeded to write a legal brief arguing there was no precedent for the right to representation by counsel during an impeachment proceeding – as if the Douglas case had never occurred.

The brief was so fraudulent and ridiculous, Zeifman believes Hillary would have been disbarred if she had submitted it to a judge.

** Eric Holder was also caught hiding files when he worked to get the terrorist group FALN a pardon (which they did not want/did not ask for).

easyt65 on May 20, 2013 at 2:09 PM

verb. seriously … come on man. do you just not read stuff you cite before doing your victory laps?

rightmind on May 20, 2013 at 2:13 PM

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Get out the ChapStick. Your lips are chapped from kissing @$$

hamradio on May 20, 2013 at 2:14 PM

verb[aloser]. seriously … come on man. do you just not read stuff you cite before doing your victory laps?

rightmind on May 20, 2013 at 2:13 PM

You were merely being rhetorical, right? :)

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Jonathan Karl: “Clearly, I regret the email was quoted incorrectly and I regret that it’s become a distraction from the story, which still entirely stands. I should have been clearer about the attribution. We updated our story immediately.”

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 1:56 PM

What do you see his ‘story’ to be?

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 1:53 PM

ROFL@you & your lack of reading comprehension!

Jonathan Karl: “Clearly, I regret the email was quoted incorrectly and I regret that it’s become a distraction from the story, which still entirely stands. I should have been clearer about the attribution. We updated our story immediately.”

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 1:56 PM

I don’t think a lack of reading comprehension was the problem.

I think the troll was simply lying about what Karl said. The trolls here lie like dogs, just like their favorite politicians.

Also, you saved me the trouble of digging up that quote from Karl.

farsighted on May 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM

What do you see his ‘story’ to be?

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM

If you want me to consider you more than just a common, everyday, typical partisan hack, go read Karl’s story, give a report proving that you accurately understood it, and define exactly what he meant by “a distraction” from story he claims “still entirely stands.”

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

If you want me to consider you more than just a common, everyday, typical partisan hack, go read Karl’s story, give a report proving that you accurately understood it, and define exactly what he meant by “a distraction” from story he claims “still entirely stands.”

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Sure…we can end this on your cop-out and deflection.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Sure…we can end this on your cop-out and deflection.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Instead of getting off of your lazy butt to demonstrate to me that I am not talking to pure retard a la non-nonpartisan, you chose to personally attack me, showing that you don’t care that I consider you a partisan hack, which just goes to prove that I am 100% justified in calling you, “verbaloser”!

I am done with you for now, little pinata :)

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Believing this is believing Obama was actually outraged the IRS targeted those tea party fraudulent groups. A targeting strategy i am 100% for.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Have you heard of a thing called a “Bivens suit”?

You might get familiar with it. Because a lot of people are going to get hit with a lot of these suits very soon.

You think not issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples is an EP violation. Well, even more than that, is applying IRS rules and regulatory scrutiny to conservative and not liberal groups. There isn’t even a rational basis for doing it.

alwaysfiredup on May 20, 2013 at 2:52 PM

I don’t think a lack of reading comprehension was the problem.

I think the troll was simply lying about what Karl said.

farsighted on May 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM

In one sense, you are giving the ever-lazy verbaloser more credit here than I, as lying takes effort. IOW, I don’t believe verbaloser even has the brain energy required to create a lie! :)

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Sure…we can end this on your cop-out and deflection.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Instead of getting off of your lazy butt to demonstrate to me that I am not talking to pure retard a la non-nonpartisan, you chose to personally attack me, showing that you don’t care that I consider you a partisan hack, which just goes to prove that I am 100% justified in calling you, “verbaloser”!

I am done with you for now, little pinata :)

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 2:51 PM

You feel ‘personally attacked’?
Zowz.
Um…well, I apologize for…um…attacking you, so…ah…personally.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 3:01 PM

For those who didn’t read the OP…

About Karl’s version of the emails…

They were extracted by ABC’s Jon Karl from notes taken by attendees at the original meeting when the White House refused to initially allow anyone to have copies which could have been used for full referencing. ABC went with the notes, being the closest thing anyone had to an official record,

No one in the media had the actual emails. All they had were notes taken by people who were allowed to take a look at the emails for a couple/few hours. Emails only some people were only allowed to review as part of a deal the GOP made with the WH to allow the Brennan nomination to proceed.

And here is the difference between what Karl reported and the actual email. An email only released by the WH after pressured to do so by reports based on notes taken by people who got only a relatively brief glimpse of them.

Here’s the relevant part of the email as quoted by Karl:

We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don’t want to undermine the FBI investigation.

Here’s the relevant sentence from the real email:

We need to resolve this in a way that respects all of the relevant equities, particularly the investigation.

In Clintonian fashion the WH, and its troll corps, would have us believe this makes all of the difference in the world, just like what your definition of “is” is does.

Keep in mind Karl was working from the only source he had, someone else’s notes. And that was because the WH refused to release the emails. He has apologized for not getting the quote exactly right. How could he without access to the original emails?

However, he has not apologized for the content of his report because, after finally getting access to the emails, he thinks his reporting still accurately reflects what was in the emails.

In fact, Karl’s reporting forced the WH to release emails they had refused to release for many months. Apparently that is what it took to get the most transparent WH ever to release what it should have released long ago. Good job Karl.

Now where are the emails from the previous 67 hours?

farsighted on May 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM

You feel ‘personally attacked’?
Zowz.
Um…well, I apologize for…um…attacking you, so…ah…personally.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 3:01 PM

I didn’t say, “feel”, did I? That is your word, which is completely expected from a dishonest leftard like you.

Instead of spending your time trying to give me a good reason to believe you were worthy of my time, you tried to make the conservation into one about my ‘motives’, which, to your apparent chagrin, does fall under the definition of “personal attack.”

If you don’t agree, that’s ok – you can argue with yourself about it, little pinata! :)

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 3:19 PM

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