George Will: I never said the White House wasn’t winnable

posted at 6:00 pm on March 18, 2012 by Tina Korbe

When George Will wrote in his March 2 column that conservatives might want to consider “Plan B” for stopping Obama, it almost sounded like he thought the White House wasn’t winnable. That’s certainly how Rush Limbaugh interpreted it, for example. Today, on ABC’s “This Week,” Will clarified that his call to focus on winning majorities in the House and Senate was not meant to imply he thought conservatives should give up on the White House.

“My position then, as now, was there may come a point, I said, when political assets being finite — enthusiasm, time and money — you might want to concentrate on getting all of the gavels of the committees of Congress in the Republican hands because Obama can’t be beaten by these people,” Will said. “It’s not yet time to do that.”

Will said that there were reasons for Republicans to keep fighting for the White House. In particular, the fact that Obama’s poll numbers were so closely impacted by fluctuations in gas prices, Will said, should give Republicans hope.

“What Haley [Barbour] said a moment ago is right,” Will continued. “I mean, things are going badly for Republicans. Things are going reasonably well in the economy, at least by the normal metrics. The president’s job approval is going down, driven by gas for Pete’s sake, which tells you how fragile and brittle his support is there. So, at this point, I would say no, keep fighting, but prepare to retrench.”

This topic is tricky. Where should conservatives focus their resources? Their legislative priorities likely can’t or won’t be fully accomplished if Republicans don’t achieve majorities in both chambers of Congress in addition to the White House. We can’t ignore congressional races. But risking the presidency for the sake of the House or Senate seems even more foolish. Consider Obamacare, for example. More than likely, no Democratic chamber would ever vote to repeal it, but Obama will certainly never sign a repeal bill. Nor does Obama much care if he crosses constitutional boundaries to legislate from the executive branch. Yes, Obama has got to go. Any of the remaining GOP candidates would be better. If, in concentrating resources on the presidential election, conservatives are unable to take back the Senate or retain the House, then they regroup.

At that point, it would make sense for conservatives to pour the majority of their resources into issue advocacy, into convincing Democrats one by one to vote for conservative solutions. Paul Ryan’s practically-one-man mission to reform Medicare and his success at acquiring at least some Democratic supporters proves that it’s possible to sell well-thought-out solutions even to those who are initially resistant. With a Republican in the White House, Democrats would feel even freer to cross the aisle. Right now, Democrats have to worry not only about their own reelections, but about how their votes affect the president’s reelection bid. At times, they might even cross their constituents so as not to cross the president and the party. The temptation to do that would lessen with a Republican president, which means that, if conservatives can convince their neighbors to adopt conservative ideas and to put pressure on legislators to adopt them as well, they might be able to accomplish wonders with a Republican president and divided Congress.


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if Santorum actually won, the media would just be able to mail in the next four years (comparatively speaking) with the most vile anti-Christian rhetoric they’ve ever run. And it would damage conservatism in the minds of squishy moderates and “Independents.” You know, those ‘tards whose votes we need to keep the liberals out of power? Yeah, those guys.

mintycrys on March 18, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Of course we would never, ever have four years of anti-Mormon rhetoric. Never!

katy the mean old lady on March 18, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Anyone who doesn’t vote for whomever is the candidate doesn’t believe that the republic is at stake.

You lousy pathetic losers..if obama get reelected, hundreds of years of building the republic is lost and most likely never to be regained, it will be lost mostly via SCOTUS appointments. You disgusting, pathetic, self righteous, braindead losers. You make me sick……..is what some people might say. I think that that kind of rhetoric can be divisive and I personally would never say anything like that, but understand the sentiment..

Mimzey on March 18, 2012 at 7:12 PM

I think the RNC needs to hire Katy the Mean Old Lady. SHe’s dropping some profound insight on us here today.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Were you born an a$$hole or did you work at it your whole life?

A@@hole

/And that’s a Key West Favorite.

Key West Reader on March 18, 2012 at 7:13 PM

That’s Will – tries to straddle the fence; have it both ways.

rickv404 on March 18, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Were you born an a$$hole or did you work at it your whole life?

A@@hole

/And that’s a Key West Favorite.

Key West Reader on March 18, 2012 at 7:13 PM

I think good satire is always a little mean. She basically said Republican voters are too stupid to figure out the importance of voting in the Senate and House races. I tend to think Republican voters aren’t quite that stupid.

Others disagree.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:16 PM

That’s Will – tries to straddle the fence; have it both ways.

rickv404 on March 18, 2012 at 7:15 PM

I’ve said it before and it bears repeating: It’s easy to sound smart when you surround yourself with libbies every week.

gryphon202 on March 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

You lousy pathetic losers..if obama get reelected, hundreds of years of building the republic is lost and most likely never to be regained, it will be lost mostly via SCOTUS appointments. You disgusting, pathetic, self righteous, braindead losers. You make me sick……..is what some people might say. I think that that kind of rhetoric can be divisive and I personally would never say anything like that, but understand the sentiment..

Mimzey on March 18, 2012 at 7:12 PM

The base will not show up as evident of the primaries…

Everytime the republican base turns up democrats lose.
Your party has managed to nominate someone who cannot resonate with the base. Obama will beat Willard comfortably

liberal4life on March 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

You lousy pathetic losers..if obama get reelected, hundreds of years of building the republic is lost and most likely never to be regained, it will be lost mostly via SCOTUS appointments. You disgusting, pathetic, self righteous, braindead losers. You make me sick……..is what some people might say. I think that that kind of rhetoric can be divisive and I personally would never say anything like that, but understand the sentiment..

I think thats a little strong.

I will vote for any nominee-even though I think Santorum will stop my ability to look at porn.

LOL

gerry-mittbot-glad my wife doesn’t know

gerrym51 on March 18, 2012 at 7:18 PM

AIM HIGH! TAKE IT ALL!

GarandFan on March 18, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Are you for taking all the joy out of our resident doom-peddlers lives? For shame!
I’m going to work on aDebbie Downer Defeat. Keep tawlkin’ Deb.

katy the mean old lady on March 18, 2012 at 7:19 PM

I have no idea why the House and Senate races are not receiving more notice on the blogosphere. Wed better make gamn sure we have a majority.
Whoever gets the WH.

katy the mean old lady on March 18, 2012 at 7:02 PM

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canopfor on March 18, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Quit being so smug.

She’s a S. Florida sistah and she is well liked and respected. If we wanted derogatory commentary we could just… errr, go to Debbie Dishwater Schultz’s site.

Get it?

Regards,

Key West Reader on March 18, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Actually I tend to think a lot of conservatives are going to be going to vote b/c of the Senator and House races more than to vote for Romney.

That’s why it’s silly to say forget about the presidency. I don’t the Senate and House races really being the problem for Republicans this year. I’d say we are going to pick up a lot of seats in both but we could still end up with Obama for another 4 years. Who is going to feel good about that? I won’t.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:20 PM

The base will not show up as evident of the primaries…

Sure they will. The democrats Hillary lovers said they wouldn’t show BUT they did.

Obama is the enemy . NOT the republican nominee

gerrym51 on March 18, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Were you born an a$$hole or did you work at it your whole life?

A@@hole

/And that’s a Key West Favorite.

Key West Reader on March 18, 2012 at 7:13 PM

I think it is a sel freated one. So sense blaming someone’s innocent parents.

katy the mean old lady on March 18, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Quit being so smug.

She’s a S. Florida sistah and she is well liked and respected. If we wanted derogatory commentary we could just… errr, go to Debbie Dishwater Schultz’s site.

Get it?

Regards,

Key West Reader on March 18, 2012 at 7:20 PM

I understand you want me to lay off your cyberbuddy Katy the Mean Old Lady. Will do.

But I do note that you did not actually disagree with the substance of my post, b/c you know I’m right. :)

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:22 PM

“self created”- Note to self. Stop typing in the dark.

katy the mean old lady on March 18, 2012 at 7:22 PM

I do want to remind everybody that Katy the Mean Old Lady did mock me for having a certain core principle about a certain activity. It did hurt my feelings.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:23 PM

In the fall PR will vote for Obama, again.

After the primaries is the only time to speak of who will vote for Obama, and who will not.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Puerto Rico has no electoral votes in the general election as they are not a state. They vote in primaries and have some minimal representation in the House, similar to the way D.C. has a advisor who can vote on procedural matters and in committees, but not vote on legislation.

So, bottom line, how they vote at election time is irrelevant as they don’t have any electoral votes.

/For those who think this is unfair — they don’t pay income tax either and yet are still considered US Citizens.

AZfederalist on March 18, 2012 at 7:23 PM

You lousy pathetic losers..if obama get reelected, hundreds of years of building the republic is lost and most likely never to be regained, it will be lost mostly via SCOTUS appointments

Mimzey on March 18, 2012 at 7:12 PM

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canopfor on May 11, 2010 at 12:29 AM

canopfor on March 18, 2012 at 7:25 PM

The fact is unless we win House, Senate, AND White House, the country is screwed.

But the worst is leaving Obama in power to rule by fiat. With the way he has ignored the statutory limits with EPA, DOJ, FTC, FCC, and NLRB amongst others, it is frightening to think how far he might go when he no longer has to face reelection.

Adjoran on March 18, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Key West Reader on March 18, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Thanks KWR. He’s best off ignored. Looks like yet another thread will be sliding into Spamville.

katy the mean old lady on March 18, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Once again the concern troll is out.

Rio Linda Refugee on March 18, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Mimzey on March 18, 2012 at 7:12 PM

THANK YOU , +1000000, 100% correct.

kmalkows on March 18, 2012 at 7:27 PM

liberal4life on March 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Just like the dims in 2008- when they told voters the choice of Bush III was on the ticket -we will convince the “base” that they are voting against obummer II.

FlaMurph on March 18, 2012 at 7:29 PM

gerry-mittbot-glad my wife doesn’t know

gerrym51 on March 18, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Ya.. well I didn’t say it…I just pointed out that some people might say something like that. :)

Mimzey on March 18, 2012 at 7:29 PM

I do want to remind everybody that Katy the Mean Old Lady did mock me for having a certain core principle about a certain activity. It did hurt my feelings.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:23 PM

If you get your feelings hurt by an annonymous blog commenter you should talk to a professional. Even us Rio Lindans know that much.

Rio Linda Refugee on March 18, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Key West Reader on March 18, 2012 at 7:20 PM
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Thanks KWR. He’s best off ignored. Looks like yet another thread will be sliding into Spamville.

katy the mean old lady on March 18, 2012 at 7:26 PM

katy the mean old lady:Here ya go!!:)
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canopfor on March 18, 2012 at 7:31 PM

gerry-mittbot-glad my wife doesn’t know

gerrym51 on March 18, 2012 at 7:18 PM

She does now. I just got off the phone. She semed a little , er, ticked..

katy the mean old lady on March 18, 2012 at 7:32 PM

You really live in Rio Linda, and admit it? That takes courage. :)

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:32 PM

I am an extremely sensitive male. I don’t apologize for that and some women like it.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:33 PM

katy the mean old lady:Here ya go!!:)
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canopfor on March 18, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Thanks Canada!

katy the mean old lady on March 18, 2012 at 7:33 PM

You really live in Rio Linda, and admit it? That takes courage. :)

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Since you have a doctorate in some dicipline I would think you knew what a “refugee” was.

Rio Linda Refugee on March 18, 2012 at 7:34 PM

I understand you want me to lay off your cyberbuddy Katy the Mean Old Lady. Will do.

But I do note that you did not actually disagree with the substance of my post, b/c you know I’m right. :)

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:22 PM

You’re a smug (likely very short) man with a short attention span. Katy is not my cyber buddy; she and I for the most part don’t get along on the threads… But I know an a$$hole when I see one, and I’ll call you out.

As for the “substance” of your post? There was nothing but condescension. Therefore, no substance.

Snob

Key West Reader on March 18, 2012 at 7:35 PM

My twin bro did a job interview in Sacromento and he went to see Rio Linda. It’s like their main tourist attaction.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:36 PM

THANK YOU , +1000000, 100% correct.

kmalkows on March 18, 2012 at 7:27 PM

You’re welcome. In the same way that I can’t believe that after all the things that this administration has done to this country, he has an approval in the upper 40′s, I can’t believe that so many people on the right simply don’t get it. They act like this is just another election cycle. Its not. Everything has changed (if you haven’t noticed by now). This is not just another election cycle and Obama is not just another president.

Duh.

Mimzey on March 18, 2012 at 7:37 PM

After the primaries is the only time to speak of who will vote for Obama, and who will not.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Yes.

Priscilla on March 18, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Music on a George Will thread, Now if we all have our picture taken in Levis, we could watch his toupee catch fire.
How I loathe that dour little man.

katy the mean old lady on March 18, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Key West Reader,

Did you not see me go to bat for Tina Korbe yesterday when that witchy woman ladyingrey attacking her intelligence for no reason. I thought it was very sweet and I would have thought women on here would have embraced me.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:38 PM

It did hurt my feelings.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Awwwwwww.

Key West Reader on March 18, 2012 at 7:39 PM

I wish there was a way to vote for Romney but against his obnoxious supporters.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:39 PM

My twin bro did a job interview in Sacromento and he went to see Rio Linda. It’s like their main tourist attaction.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:36 PM

You rllly are smort int ya?

Rio Linda Refugee on March 18, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Well darn, you know what? You’re right. Women should embrace you.

Okay.

Carry on.

Key West Reader on March 18, 2012 at 7:40 PM

LOL… I’m thinking Dr. Tesla is AP joking around :)

Key West Reader on March 18, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Key West,

I knew you’d come around, if only for my good looks and charm. Now go doctor my tea.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_H-LY4Jb2M

canopfor on March 18, 2012 at 7:31 PM
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Thanks Canada!

katy the mean old lady on March 18, 2012 at 7:33 PM

katy the mean old lady:Anytime!:)

canopfor on March 18, 2012 at 7:42 PM

katy the mean old lady on March 18, 2012 at 7:32 PM

I must say you wounded me.

lol

gerrym51 on March 18, 2012 at 7:42 PM

I find it highly insulting to be compared to AP. He’s off crying about Mike Castle losing 2 years ago with his buddy Ace and wondering why he gets called a “RINO”.

I have bigger fish to fry.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Your party has managed to nominate someone who cannot resonate with the base. Obama will beat Willard comfortably

liberal4life on March 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

If you believed that, you wouldn’t be here posting your anti-Mitt stuff all day.

Rational Thought on March 18, 2012 at 7:44 PM

If you lose sleep over Mike Castle losing a primary, you might be a RINO.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:46 PM

The base will not show up as evident of the primaries…

Everytime the republican base turns up democrats lose.
Your party has managed to nominate someone who cannot resonate with the base. Obama will beat Willard comfortably

liberal4life on March 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

You overlook one critical thing, L4L. The Republican base hates Obama far more than it dislikes Romney. It will show up.

Hell, I am a Libertarian and dislike all of the drivers in the klown kar krack-up, but ~~ and you can take this to the bank ~~ I will vote for whomever the Republicans nominate because it is the only hope of getting that Prog fool out of the White House.

I won’t be voting in the Republican primary. I’m not a Republican. Frankly, I don’t even really care who the GOP nominates. But, I will be writing a big, fat. maxing-out cheque to the nominee and I will be voting for him…whether I am sober or not is another story.

I didn’t leave the UK and become an American so that Obama could turn this country into just another bankrupt, socialist dump with feral kids, lazy slouchers, and a society with a Gimme-You-Owe-Me mentality.

So, you keep telling yourself that no one is going to show up in November. I believe that you were saying that Democrats were going to pick up seats in the midterms, too.

PS: You had better hope that the Supreme Court strikes down Obamacare. If it doesn’t, it will be the biggest GOTV gift to the GOP in the history of American politics.

Resist We Much on March 18, 2012 at 8:08 PM

The base will not show up as evident of the primaries…

Everytime the republican base turns up democrats lose.
Your party has managed to nominate someone who cannot resonate with the base. Obama will beat Willard comfortably

liberal4life on March 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

…keep repeating yourself so that you will believe it one of these days. Repetition works wonders!

KOOLAID2 on March 18, 2012 at 8:25 PM

I can’t stand these “Eeyore” Republicans that think it’s impossible for Romney to win.

With $5 gas and 8% unemployment, even a boring and uninspiring nominee has a hell of a shot at knocking off an incumbent.

And for the record, I actually think Romney is a MUCH stronger General Election candidate than anything we’ve had in a long time. I’ll be the first to admit I would prefer a more “severe” conservative, but he’ll be able to win over the independents.

BradTank on March 18, 2012 at 8:31 PM

You lousy pathetic losers..if obama get reelected, hundreds of years of building the republic is lost and most likely never to be regained, it will be lost mostly via SCOTUS appointments

That’s simply over-the-top nonsense.

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 8:31 PM

I can’t stand these “Eeyore” Republicans that think it’s impossible for Romney to win.

Get used to it. There’s millions out there and they are very likely to give Obama another four years…actually, I think Mitt will have so many self-inflicted wounds this summer on the campaign trail that I don’t believe it will matter.

Obama – 57
Mitt – 42
Other – 1

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 8:33 PM

rubberneck on March 18, 2012 at 6:34 PM

g2825m on March 18, 2012 at 6:45 PM

What? 20-30 posts before you bit on the worm? And with a bamboo pole!

KOOLAID2 on March 18, 2012 at 8:33 PM

I wish there was a way to vote for Romney but against his obnoxious supporters

I wish there was a credible third party option whose last name isn’t Paul.

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Get used to it. There’s millions out there and they are very likely to give Obama another four years…actually, I think Mitt will have so many self-inflicted wounds this summer on the campaign trail that I don’t believe it will matter.

Obama – 57
Mitt – 42
Other – 1

You’re a moron if you think Obama is going to win by that margin.

Barack is not going to exceed his 2008 margin of victory. I’ll bet my house on that.

BradTank on March 18, 2012 at 8:38 PM

It will show up.

Generally speaking this is true, but they won’t show in full. 5% makes all the difference, assuming Mitt could keep the election close…which he can’t.

Obama -57
Mitt – 42
Other – 1

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 8:39 PM

It must be hard to face each day when you’re a washed-up, irrelevant, has-been, delusional, ruling-class-establishment commentator like george will.

TeaPartyNation on March 18, 2012 at 8:39 PM

I’ll bet my house on that.

Wow and your guy only had the courage to bet $10K. Impressive.

That said, I think in early November we’re going to be talking about Obama approaching Reagan’s haul of state’s in 1984. Mitt wins Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, and then loses the rest of the union.

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 8:41 PM

I think one of the funnist things I’ve seen on tv is George Will debating Meghan McCain on some political talk show. This guy think he’s so smart but there he is talking to some bimbo about politics. I would never find myself in that kind of situation.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:11 PM

……..instead!….I’ll go on a blog all the time and keep talking to myself 20-30-50 times, until someone finally responds after I take a shot at somebody!

KOOLAID2 on March 18, 2012 at 8:42 PM

That’s simply over-the-top nonsense.

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 8:31 PM

What is the correct number?

Mimzey on March 18, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Wow and your guy only had the courage to bet $10K. Impressive.

That said, I think in early November we’re going to be talking about Obama approaching Reagan’s haul of state’s in 1984. Mitt wins Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, and then loses the rest of the union.

Isn’t that cute, a liberal concern troll. How original.

You know, if you’re so confident about your guys’s victory, why are you wasting your time here?

Kinda pathetic, don’t cha’ you think?

BradTank on March 18, 2012 at 8:46 PM

I think the thing that will really sink Romney this summer and fall is an electorate who will come to realize that he’s every bit as much left as Obama. Add in the gaffes and the phony conservatism schtick
and you have the makings of a political disaster the likes of which we have not seen since Mike Dukakis.

Obama – 57
Romney – 42
Other – 1

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 8:47 PM

You know, if you’re so confident about your guys’s victory, why are you wasting your time here?

Or I’m an ABR first, then an ABO. Have you considered that possibility?

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 8:49 PM

What is the correct number?

Probably a set-back of 10 years – a generation if Romneycare/Obamacare lives on as it is now.

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Or I’m an ABR first, then an ABO. Have you considered that possibility?

How stupid do you think we are?

It’s a played out strategy, come to a conservative web site and moan that you’re such a hard core conservative and that you’re not going to vote Republican because (insert likely nominee) is insufficiently conservative.

It’s about as fresh and cutting edge as Moby.

BradTank on March 18, 2012 at 8:56 PM

I do want to remind everybody that Katy the Mean Old Lady did mock me for having a certain core principle about a certain activity. It did hurt my feelings.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 7:23 PM

hehe. Sure I bet. She was probably just joking. I know you are just kidding anyway. (:

BTW, Katy of AOK so be extra nice to her without falling in love with her ok? She is mine.

SparkPlug on March 18, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Opps. I meant

BTW, Katy is AOK.

SparkPlug on March 18, 2012 at 9:00 PM

That said, I think in early November we’re going to be talking about Obama approaching Reagan’s haul of state’s in 1984. Mitt wins Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, and then loses the rest of the union.

Romney-or for that matter any nominee-will win the states won by Mccain against the much stronger in 2008 Obama

gerrym51 on March 18, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Obama – 57
Romney – 42
Other – 1

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Not. Gonna. Happen.

Such a margin would require Obama to win states like Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, and Alabama. That’s not going to happen. Many Progs have said that Southern Christian Conservatives will not vote for a Moderate Mormon from Massachusetts. That might be true in a primary, but I have news for them about the general: Southern Christian Conservatives will vote for a “Moderate Mormon from Massachusetts” all day long before they vote for a “Marxist, Muslim from Chicago” (as it appears many believe from recent polling).

Barack Obama will not win 49 states like Nixon or Reagan. He will not win by 15 points. That’s a fact, Jack.

Resist We Much on March 18, 2012 at 9:05 PM

How stupid do you think we are?

Do you really want my voting record to answer that? Btw, I don’t think you have a “we.”

Obama 57
Mitt 42
Other 1

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 9:07 PM

The fact is unless we win House, Senate, AND White House, the country is screwed.

But the worst is leaving Obama in power to rule by fiat. With the way he has ignored the statutory limits with EPA, DOJ, FTC, FCC, and NLRB amongst others, it is frightening to think how far he might go when he no longer has to face reelection.

Adjoran on March 18, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Agreed.Zeros handlers have seen to it that he has done maximum destruction during his term and the worst part is its not over.Every day he turns the screws just a little bit more,chaos,destruction, decimation of all we hold to be true. If any of our candidates can’t beat this charlatan the country is indeed doomed.
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rodguy911 on March 18, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Such a margin would require Obama to win states like Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, and Alabama. That’s not going to happen

That very well could happen if you nominate Romney. McCain struggled (relatively) in Texas and MS in 2008 and AL and LA are in play with the kind of landslide we’re looking at if Mitt is the nominee.

Once Independents swing hard against Romney once they learn about him (and he’s smeared by the MSM and his opponent), say break against him 4 to 1, it won’t matter who you get on the Republican side.

Right now, I’m thinking…

Obama 57
Romney 42
Other 1

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 9:11 PM

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Let me guess.

Ron Paul?
Gary Johnson?
Gary Bussy?

Mimzey on March 18, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Do you really want my voting record to answer that? Btw, I don’t think you have a “we.”

Obama 57
Mitt 42
Other 1

Even Republicans here who hate Romney with a passion don’t think the election is going to be some 45 state landslide.

Considering nearly every poll has the race within the margin of error, with nearly all of them having Obama under 50%, it’s going to be a tough race for the One.

And I don’t need polls to tell me Obama is scared, I KNOW it’s a tough race because people like you feel the need to come here and graffiti up the place.

Have fun in November eating crow!

BradTank on March 18, 2012 at 9:15 PM

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 8:50 PM

You obviously misunderstood my comment.

I was referring to the years in the making of this republic.

Mimzey on March 18, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Mimzey on March 18, 2012 at 9:12 PM

LOL, nicely done.

ray on March 18, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Let me guess.

Ron Paul?
Gary Johnson?
Gary Bussy?

You guess wrong. I’d be okay with Rick. Not wild about Newt, but could vote for him. Couldn’t vote for any of the above and of course couldn’t vote for Mitt or the President.

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 9:18 PM

That very well could happen if you nominate Romney. McCain struggled (relatively) in Texas and MS in 2008 and AL and LA are in play with the kind of landslide we’re looking at if Mitt is the nominee.

LMFAO!

Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi will NEVER vote for Obama and Texas hasn’t voted for a Democrat statewide in 18 years and McCain beat Obama by 12 points in 2008. In Louisiana, the Democrats couldn’t even field a third-tier name to challenge Jindal in the election last year. McCain beat Obama by 19 points in Louisiana. The Mississippi gubernatorial election was a cakewalk and McCain beat Obama by 18 points in Mississippi in 2008. You are batshyt crazy if you think Alabama will go blue. Alabama hasn’t voted Democrat in a national election since 1976 and it went for McCain by more than 22 points.

Resist We Much on March 18, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Alabama will vote for Barack Obama to be President on the same day that California votes for Rick Santorum.

Resist We Much on March 18, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Considering nearly every poll has the race within the margin of error, with nearly all of them having Obama under 50%, it’s going to be a tough race for the One.

Every poll today is unreliable as a predictor of what will happen in November. At this time in 2008, Obama was just being considered as more than a long shot to win the Dem. nomination and McCain was favored to win in several polls.

This race might be close, but only if we see unemployment skyrocket in the next few months and gas prices soar above $6/gallon. That’s possible, but high unlikely. Remove that from the equation, you still have Romney as largely an unknown to Independents who many will learn about for the first time as the race heats up in July and August. When they do, I believe that they’re going to turn away from him to the President in droves. Given the electorate is likely to be 35D, 35R, 30I under the best scenario, do the math with 75% of indies breaking to Obama. It comes out roughly to 57-42 Mitt plus 1 for odd parties who always seem to shave a percent from the overall total.

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 9:27 PM

^57 Obama, 42 Mitt, 1 odd balls, should anyone not follow the above.

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Just like the dims in 2008- when they told voters the choice of Bush III was on the ticket -we will convince the “base” that they are voting against obummer II.

FlaMurph on March 18, 2012 at 7:29 PM

In 2008 there was no Republican incumbent.

apples and oranges

liberal4life on March 18, 2012 at 9:34 PM

There are few people in this country who don’t recognize that Barack Obama may be the most incompetent president we’ve ever had. There hasn’t been one who was so unprepared for this office as him. Add to that, the fact that his world view is so different from the rest of the country and you have to ask how on earth he ever got elected. The answer’s pretty simple, M.S.M. Obama told the world what his view was but, not only didn’t people listen, but the press didn’t persue it. Just think, when Charlie Gibson pressed him on the capital gains tax, telling him that when rates were lowered more money came in and Obama said, “It’s not about money it’s about being fair.” That should have sent off alarms all over the place, but it didn’t. Why?

Now, not only does Obama have a record, people also have seen him whine and blame everyone but himself for the problems the country faces, they’ve seen him play King Barack and tell insurance companies they have to provide birth control pills for free. Given all of this, George Will believes this election is a problem. It’s only a problem if the Republicans keep allowing the same non-Obama vetting media to control the message and keep asking about the social issues, which no one cares about. If they don’t and they tell Americans they’re going to repeal Obamacare if they get the people necessary to have a Republican Senate and House and they’re going to get our country producing energy again, they’ll win it all. George Will may not believe that, but I do.

bflat879 on March 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM

^57 Obama, 42 Mitt, 1 odd balls, should anyone not follow the above.

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 9:30 PM

We understand. Do you understand that there is no way that is gonna happen? None?

Besides, percentage of the popular vote is irrelevant. We are talking electoral votes. Obama is not going to win 47+ states. He just isn’t. No one believes, except maybe you, that he can win Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi. I mean, the country is a lot more polarised today than it was even in the 1980s. There are, at most, 10 states in play. That’s it. Every pollster will tell you this. Every strategist will tell you this.

Resist We Much on March 18, 2012 at 9:36 PM

In 2008 there was no Republican incumbent.

apples and oranges

liberal4life on March 18, 2012 at 9:34 PM

In 2008, Obama didn’t have a record.

He does now.

Take a look at the right side of my blog:

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com

Resist We Much on March 18, 2012 at 9:39 PM

On and on disparaging out possible candidates. mittens, mitbots,etc. My god we have a battle on our hands. I don’t believe your tactics. Wallow in your crap then…

Robb on March 18, 2012 at 9:40 PM

apples and oranges

liberal4life on March 18, 2012 at 9:34 PM

…is that something you think goes in a bra when you are getting dressed?

KOOLAID2 on March 18, 2012 at 9:48 PM

ouldn’t vote for any of the above and of course couldn’t vote for Mitt or the President.

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 9:18 PM

“I don’t care who our candidate is and I haven’t since the beginning of this. I haven’t! Ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate! …When I walk through CPAC or a I travel the United States to meet people in the Tea Party who care – black, white, gay, and straight – anyone that’s willing to stand next to me to fight the progressive left, I will be in that bunker. And if you’re not in that bunker because you’re not satisfied with [a certain] candidate, more than shame on you! You’re on the other side!

- Andrew Breitbart, February 2012

Resist We Much on March 18, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Obama is not going to win 47+ states. He just isn’t.

He might even win 53 of 57. :)

I gave you the why I think he’ll get to 57…just insulting me isn’t going to change any minds.

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 9:55 PM

…is that something you think goes in a bra when you are getting dressed?

KOOLAID2 on March 18, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Good snark :)

Bunsin2 on March 18, 2012 at 10:00 PM

just insulting me isn’t going to change any minds.

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Insulting you? Look, toots, if you think that I’ve insulted you on this thread, you probably should run home to mummy, climb into her bed, and hide under the woobbies with her because I have been quite gentle with you. Anyone, who knows me, will confirm that fact.

If I could vote for Big Brain Newt, if the GOP nominated him, even though he pizzes me off more than I can put into words at this time, then you should be able to vote for the equally odious Mitt to get that fool out of the WH. If you don’t, then you lose all right to complain during Obama’s second term. We don’t want to hear a damn peep out of you.

Resist We Much on March 18, 2012 at 10:09 PM

“I don’t care who our candidate is and I haven’t since the beginning of this. I haven’t! Ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate! …When I walk through CPAC or a I travel the United States to meet people in the Tea Party who care – black, white, gay, and straight – anyone that’s willing to stand next to me to fight the progressive left, I will be in that bunker. And if you’re not in that bunker because you’re not satisfied with [a certain] candidate, more than shame on you! You’re on the other side!”

- Andrew Breitbart, February 2012

Resist We Much on March 18, 2012 at 9:53 PM

So if the GOP wants us to vote for Stalin, we vote for Stalin?

This is pretty stupid stuff, no offense to AB.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 10:10 PM

This notion we shouldn’t examine candidate’s record is stupidity on parade. That’s the point of primaries.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 10:11 PM

I’m not a liberal if I have a problem with Romney’s very liberal record as gov. of Mass.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 10:11 PM

newtopia on March 18, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Fair enough. Thanks for the reply.
So basically, you see no danger in throwing your vote away and helping the Won..win? Do you know the implications of that position?

Mimzey on March 18, 2012 at 10:14 PM

So if the GOP wants us to vote for Stalin, we vote for Stalin?

This is pretty stupid stuff, no offense to AB.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 10:10 PM

You would vote for Obama? I am a Libertarian — that means that I am neither a Republican nor a Conservative — and, if the GOP nominates a Chia Pet, I will vote for said Chia Pet in November.

I didn’t vote for Bush in 2000. I wasn’t a citizen.

I didn’t vote in 2004 because I was called back home to the UK unexpectedly.

I voted AGAINST Obama in 2008 by voting for McDisaster…but I had to drink 3 ‘tinis first and I still feel sick about it.

Under no circumstances would I ever vote for Prog Obama. I have been through this crap with Labour. Don’t get me wrong. I look at the Republican Party the same way that I do the Tories: Stupid and Spineless. For that reason, I have no fear that the GOP will ever nominate a Stalin.

Resist We Much on March 18, 2012 at 10:24 PM

I think saying you don’t care who the candidate is and you haven’t from the beginning is just kind of stupid. I do care who the candidate is. I think most people are with me.

I’m not saying I won’t vote for Romney, I’m responding to a pretty brain dead statement there by AB.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 10:38 PM

I think AB was too interested in little wars with Democrat that don’t matter in the big scheme of things, like ACORN and OWS. I’m more on the intellectual side of things.

Dr. Tesla on March 18, 2012 at 10:39 PM

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