Santorum: If Puerto Rico wants to be a state, they need to speak more English

posted at 9:02 pm on March 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

From what I can tell, his position on this has evolved ever so slightly over the past two days. Wednesday:

“Like in every other state, it [must comply] with this and every other federal law,- and that is that English should be the main language,” Santorum said in an interview with the El Vocero newspaper Wednesday. “There are other states with more than one language, as is the case with Hawaii, but to be a state of the U.S., English should be the main language.”…

Santorum’s comments left one of his supporters, Oreste Ramos, so upset that the former Puerto Rican senator rescinded his endorsement.

I’m not sure which federal law he means, but his point about the “main language” has been misunderstood. He wasn’t saying English should be the official language; it already is one of the island’s two official languages. He was saying it should be the language that’s most commonly spoken by the population. Right now that’s Spanish. Puerto Rico’s school system would have to expand its commitment to teaching English dramatically in order to make kids there as conversant in English as they are in Spanish. Watch the clip below, which was filmed yesterday after his earlier comments inspired an obligatory round of outrageous outrage, and you’ll find him reiterating that point. What you won’t find, though, is him insisting that English be “the main language” spoken on the island. He wants it to be “universal” but not necessarily more common than Spanish. A fully bilingual population would now, it seems, be A-OK.

So, no English, no statehood. Romney counters with this:

Romney’s campaign issued a statement on Thursday contrasting his position on the issue with Santorum’s.

“Puerto Rico currently recognizes both English and Spanish as the official languages of the commonwealth,” said Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul. “Governor Romney believes that English is the language of opportunity and supports efforts to expand English proficiency in Puerto Rico and across America. However, he would not, as a prerequisite for statehood, require that the people of Puerto Rico cease using Spanish.”

That’s super, but I don’t think Santorum’s asking people to stop using Spanish. He wants people to learn English in order to promote greater integration with mainland American culture. If they know Spanish too and use it privately, fine. When asked about this, a Santorum spokesman said, “In Puerto Rico, Rick would encourage people to speak English in addition to Spanish.” Addition, not subtraction.

Whatever their other differences, both Romney and Santorum support making English the official language of the U.S. Exit question via Puerto Rico Gov. Luis Fortuno: Why isn’t this a states’ rights issue? Yeah, granted, PR isn’t a state yet, but what if it agreed to Santorum’s conditions on expanding English proficiency, was granted statehood, and then reneged? What would stop it from going back to Spanish? Given the growing importance of Latino voters, I’m skeptical that Congress would make universal English proficiency a condition of federal funding for education in Puerto Rico.


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Allah gets it right, both on Santorum’s principles and Congress’ desperate sucking up.

Stoic Patriot on March 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

This guy has no messaging discipline at all.

Swerve22 on March 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

It needs to be a bi-lingual state if it’s to become a state. That’s going to take time. You can’t just say SPEAKEE ENGRISH and boom it happens. Older folks will probably never learn English just as old immigrants to the USA barely learn or speak it here. Maybe enough to get by, but that’s it.

P.R. won’t be any different.

But, aside from that, I really don’t give a flying crap if they become a state or not. Not is just fine with me, as I’m quite sure they’d suck up more resources than they’d ever offer.

Wolfmoon on March 16, 2012 at 9:07 PM

HI will be an independent country/whatever, before PR will be another U.S. state.

PR already has Spanish and English as their official languages.

Santorum and Romney just pander on topic.

They and so many commenters have been dead wrong and ignorant on topic.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Why be a state when you have all the privileges of being one, without the duties?

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Allah, where’s the recent quote in which Rick called PR a “country”?

itsnotaboutme on March 16, 2012 at 9:08 PM

He wa saying

Speaking of English, what’s the end of this word?

John the Libertarian on March 16, 2012 at 9:09 PM

The U.S. has no official language.

It is advantageous to speak the langauage of the land but it’s not a “federal law”, not yet anyway. It will be Spanish or Chinese, soon enough.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2012 at 9:09 PM

English porn only?

whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 9:10 PM

I would hope that Congress would consider language when voting on statehood. I would not want to add a state where most people were not proficient in our common language. There is no legal requirement for this, but I don’t see any reason why Congress can’t make it a factor if they take up Puerto Rico statehood. Where Santorum screwed up is when he said it was the law.

Mark1971 on March 16, 2012 at 9:10 PM

HI will be an independent country/whatever, before PR will be another U.S. state.

PR already has Spanish and English as their official languages.

Santorum and Romney just pander on topic.

They and so many commenters have been dead wrong and ignorant on topic.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Mitt looks like a very good panderer though, I’ll give him that.

alchemist19 on March 16, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Italians, Germans, Poles and Swedes all learned English as a means to integrate in American society and its not an outrage to expect the same of Puerto Rico unless you are pandering for votes and fake outrage.

sharrukin on March 16, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Why would PR want to become a state anyway? They get all the goodies of being a US citizen w/o paying federal income tax. They know it, and that’s why they are fine with the status quo.

Lance Murdock on March 16, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Why be a state when you have all the privileges of being one, without the dues?

Schadenfreude

FIFY

Wander on March 16, 2012 at 9:10 PM

I’d rather grant Puerto Rico independence than add them as a state. It would just be another blue state.

Bitter Clinger on March 16, 2012 at 9:11 PM

WTF is Santy talking about! I live in Michigan…and just came from an ATM (that JugEars recently discovered)…and I had to press 1 for English…or press 2 for Spanish!!!
Doesn’t Santy ever make phone calls to business?…Press 1 for English…

KOOLAID2 on March 16, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2012 at 9:09 PM

I’ll go out in a hail of bullets before I ever learn chinese by dictate.

And I won’t be dying alone.

Wolfmoon on March 16, 2012 at 9:11 PM

I have to say: what a dumb thing to be wasting your sound bites on.

Count to 10 on March 16, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Too bad he’s anti-porn.

RedNewEnglander on March 16, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Allah, here’s the recent quote in which Rick called PR a “country”:

“What I said was that English had to be spoken as well as other — obviously Spanish is going to be spoken, this would be a bilingual country.”

itsnotaboutme on March 16, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Why is Santo wasting people’s time. This guy is useless.

0bamaderangementsyndrom on March 16, 2012 at 9:11 PM

A majority of Purto Ricans don’t want statehood.

katy the mean old lady on March 16, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Really now Rick. Puerto Ricans are REQUIRED to learn english in school. What an insult. Next thing you know he will be shipping bibles and sending groups of missionaries to CONVERT THE SAVAGES!

justonevictory on March 16, 2012 at 9:12 PM

How’s the United States of Europe working out?

RBMN on March 16, 2012 at 9:13 PM

This isn’t a state’s rights issue because congress has the constitutional authority to pass enabling acts declaring what criteria a territory must meet before statehood. English language proficiency has been a part of every enabling act since the mid-nineteenth century, and in fact, a big reason for the Republican split from the Whigs was the desire of some Whigs to use enabling acts to abolish slavery, while the Whig leadership refused to make that a part of their platform.

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 9:14 PM

“…to be a state of the U.S., English should be the main language.”

Ya hear that, Washington, DC??!!11!?
:P

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on March 16, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Really now Rick. Puerto Ricans are REQUIRED to learn english in school. What an insult. Next thing you know he will be shipping bibles and sending groups of missionaries to CONVERT THE SAVAGES!

justonevictory on March 16, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Not an insult at all. In fact, given the criteria established in enabling acts of the past, Puerto Rico would probably meet the requirements for statehood, provided those criteria were not changed. What I’d like to know is, why would Puerto Ricans want statehood? America has devolved to the point where statehood would encroach upon their freedoms, not enhance it. If I were Puerto Rican and a statehood vote came up, I’d vote against it.

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Mitt looks like a very good panderer though, I’ll give him that.

alchemist19 on March 16, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Yeah, he’s a ‘good’ looking full of caca kind of guy.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Porn, condoms, languages,….IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID!!!!

KOOLAID2 on March 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Does “Puerto Rico” translate as double-down in Rick’s English?

profitsbeard on March 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM

LOL Santorum

Good Lt on March 16, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Exit question via Puerto Rico Gov. Luis Fortuno: Why isn’t this a states’ rights issue?

We cease to be a union if everyone can’t communicate with each other.

Like I’ve said earlier, the same requirements put on Arizona and New Mexico when they became states should apply to Puerto Rico.

1. Use English as the main language of instruction in your public schools.
2. Every state officer and legislator must be fluent in English without the use of an interpreter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Puerto_Rico#Language

Unlike most schools in the United States, public school instruction in Puerto Rico is conducted entirely in Spanish. English is taught as a second language and is a compulsory subject at all levels. In the early years following the 1898 American occupation of the island, the opposite was true: public schooling was entirely conducted in English and Spanish was treated as a special subject (the practice ended in 1915).

Puerto Rico should not become a state until people who only know English can live their comfortably without having to learn Spanish. Until that happens, no statehood.

ninjapirate on March 16, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Why did the two princes even make this a topic?

Rick started it and Mitt, in trying to make hay for himself, is not ending it.

To heck with both of them.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2012 at 9:19 PM

their there

ninjapirate on March 16, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Bad idea for PR to be a state, just too far away. That’s a bigger deal than language.

Yes, it was also a bad idea for Hawaii to be made a state.

slickwillie2001 on March 16, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Precisely the reason he sucks as a candidate. He’s always sucked.

rubberneck on March 16, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Taladro bebé, perforar!

Electrongod on March 16, 2012 at 9:21 PM

In fact, given the criteria established in enabling acts of the past, Puerto Rico would probably meet the requirements for statehood, provided those criteria were not changed.

You’re absolutely wrong, Arizona and New Mexico were forced to make English the primary teaching languages in their public schools before they would be allowed to become states. The main teaching language in Puerto Rico is Spanish.

ninjapirate on March 16, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Puerto Rico should not become a state until people who only know English can live their comfortably without having to learn Spanish. Until that happens, no statehood.

ninjapirate on March 16, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Past enabling acts have required that territories conduct government business in English before a statehood referendum will be considered, among other requirements. Conducting state business in Spanish as well would not necessarily be an obstacle the way I understand it, nor would the territory necessarily have to legislate English as an official language, but the people would vote and then Congress would decide if they meet those Enabling Act criteria. And I don’t think PR has ever come anywhere close to a majority in favor of statehood; I’d vote against it.

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Yes, it was also a bad idea for Hawaii to be made a state.
slickwillie2001 on March 16, 2012 at 9:20 PM

I don’t believe the US has “made a state” for a very long time.

whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 9:23 PM

You’re absolutely wrong, Arizona and New Mexico were forced to make English the primary teaching languages in their public schools before they would be allowed to become states. The main teaching language in Puerto Rico is Spanish.

ninjapirate on March 16, 2012 at 9:21 PM

I stand corrected, then. The point is, I don’t find Santorum’s remarks on this matter particularly controversial. Not facepalm-worthy, in any event. I did roll my eyes that he’d bring this up in the middle of a presidential campaign, which I don’t think is strategically wise. But language is absolutely something PR will have to reckon with if they ever desire statehood in the future — although I can’t repeat it often enough, if I was Puerto Rican, I’d vote AGAINST statehood.

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Newt is supposed to drop out, for this guy?

Rebar on March 16, 2012 at 9:25 PM

This guy has no messaging discipline at all.

Swerve22 on March 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

And Romney has no message.

ddrintn on March 16, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Why be a state when you have all the privileges of being one, without the duties?

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2012 at 9:08 PM

We don’t need another state, and we certainly don’t need one like PR, with its disproportionately high crime, welfare-recipient, and unemployment rates.

PR should be independent. Then they can speak whatever language they choose, and it won’t be any of our concern.

AZCoyote on March 16, 2012 at 9:26 PM

BTW, with regard to “State’s Rights”, congress often forces new states to adopt certain things in their state constitution in order for them to be accepted into the union. If you’re not in the union and you want to be, then you’re going to be dictated to.

ninjapirate on March 16, 2012 at 9:26 PM

And Romney has no message.

ddrintn on March 16, 2012 at 9:26 PM

I beg to differ. Romney’s message is “Vote for me. You don’t have any other choice.” That might as well be his campaign slogan.

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 9:27 PM

No DC statehood until each resident watches The King’s Speech one dozen times (may substitute Batman Forever for its awesomeness).
;)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on March 16, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Sanctimonious is particularly irritated that Puerto Ricans surf for porn in Spanish.

galtani on March 16, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Meanwhile… http://twitchy.com/2012/03/16/romneys-fiesta-in-puerto-rico/
MeatHeadinCA on March 16, 2012 at 9:24 PM

At least he’s keeping his shirt and pants on, heh.

whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 9:28 PM

AZCoyote on March 16, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Just to be clear, I’m not promoting PR statehood.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2012 at 9:28 PM

This kind of stuff + “Pregnancy resulting from rapes are a gift from God.” = EPIC Fail General Election 2012

-Wasteland Man.

WastelandMan on March 16, 2012 at 9:28 PM

BTW, with regard to “State’s Rights”, congress often forces new states to adopt certain things in their state constitution in order for them to be accepted into the union. If you’re not in the union and you want to be, then you’re going to be dictated to.

ninjapirate on March 16, 2012 at 9:26 PM

It’s called “enabling acts.” I think in most instances, congress will pass a law outlining the necessary criteria — separately for each territory that wishes to join. Then the people vote, and if the vote is successful, congress takes up a vote to decide if those criteria are met. Upon a successful congressional vote, statehood becomes a reality. Might be a few instances where it happened a little differently, but that’s how I understand the process.

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Currently, English is, along with Spanish, one of the two official languages of Puerto Rico. English languag classes are mandatory in Puerto Rican schools K through 12. Neither the U.S. Constitution, nor any other Federal law requires English language for statehood.

On an island that is 85% Catholic, the Catholic Santorum chose to speak at an evangelical church in San Juan during his visit.

What’s he doing down there, drumming up votes for the Missouri caucus?

Mr. Arkadin on March 16, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Actually it is an insult, especially when 81% of Puerto Rican’s over 5yrs old currently living on the island speak english.

justonevictory on March 16, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Actually it is an insult, especially when 81% of Puerto Rican’s over 5yrs old currently living on the island speak english.

justonevictory on March 16, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Take that up with congress, then. If they pass an enabling act that doesn’t address language, it will be the first time ever to the best of my knowledge.

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Newt is supposed to drop out, for this guy?

Rebar on March 16, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Ah, the one that excessively dumped on Perry for being soft on illegals, now supports Newt, who is softer on illegals.

Standards.

rukiddingme on March 16, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Neither the U.S. Constitution, nor any other Federal law requires English language for statehood.

But if Puerto Rico holds a vote on statehood, congress will most likely pass an enabling law first, like they always have. Every enabling law to my knowledge has addressed English as a primary language, especially in the Southwestern states as Ninjapirate helpfully pointed out.

On an island that is 85% Catholic, the Catholic Santorum chose to speak at an evangelical church in San Juan during his visit.

What’s he doing down there, drumming up votes for the Missouri caucus?

Mr. Arkadin on March 16, 2012 at 9:30 PM

If he was in a Catholic church, you’d wonder why he wasn’t talking to the protestants. Instead, it’s vice versa. Either way you get your requisite griping in for the night. I’m unimpressed.

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Porn, condoms, languages,….IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID!!!!

KOOLAID2 on March 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM

+1

Tzetzes on March 16, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Actually it is an insult, especially when 81% of Puerto Rican’s over 5yrs old currently living on the island speak english.
justonevictory on March 16, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Although they retain their local tongue, younger folks from all over the globe seem to know that English is “the language” to learn. Probably the only positive result of the importation of US pop culture. The internet also plays a huge role.

whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 9:36 PM

There is no federal law requiring English being the only or even the main language for statehood. Santorum is completely wrong on that one. The USA does not have an official language — while the matter has certainly been debated, and movements have been made to enact a federal law that declares English as be the official language, there is not, in fact, any such law on the books.

And I believe Romney’s response came this morning, after Santorum’s initial statement where it certainly did sound like he was saying that English needed to be the “official language” of PR for it to get statehood but before Santorum’s second statement where he slightly “shifted his position” on English being the “main” language for PR to have statehood. So it isn’t any wonder that Romney’s statement has the remark about PR not needing to “cease using Spanish” at least if it is read appropriately (i.e., in response to Santorum’s first statement, not the second, clarifying one).

Personally, I’m more worried about the guy who wants to be POTUS who doesn’t know English isn’t actually on the books as the official language of this country than I am about Romney’s response to that guy.

Dark Star on March 16, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Oh Rick…with all that’s going on, why did you need to there? Talk about being dragged out into the weeds!

Stick a fork in him…he’s done.

Tomolena1 on March 16, 2012 at 9:40 PM

To be fair, Santorum would allow the Virgin Islands to retain Virginese as it’s official language.

whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 9:41 PM

fatso Woody from Toy Story needs to lose some weight…..

both Woody and Newt need to drop out ASAP and get a 24 Hour Fitness membership

nparga23 on March 16, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Well, from what I’m reading and hearing, almost on a daily basis, “English” isn’t even taught correctly up here in America.

What a total waste of talk and what a total waste of time. How people communicate is NOT a PROBLEM in AMERICA.

Can’t any of these idiots just FOCUS on what needs to be worked on??!!

bridgetown on March 16, 2012 at 9:42 PM

There is no federal law requiring English being the only or even the main language for statehood. Santorum is completely wrong on that one. The USA does not have an official language — while the matter has certainly been debated, and movements have been made to enact a federal law that declares English as be the official language, there is not, in fact, any such law on the books.

Let me say it again, since y’all seem to be ignoring me: Emabling acts have required every state entering the union since at least the mid-nineteenth century to be able to conduct state business in English, and in certain southwestern states, also address English being taught in schools (h/t Ninjapirate). If Puerto Rico schedules a vote for statehood, an enabling act would almost have to be passed in Congress first. For such an act to not include PR’s language barrier in it (and there absolutely IS a language barrier, make no mistake) would be unprecedented.

And I believe Romney’s response came this morning, after Santorum’s initial statement where it certainly did sound like he was saying that English needed to be the “official language” of PR for it to get statehood but before Santorum’s second statement where he slightly “shifted his position” on English being the “main” language for PR to have statehood. So it isn’t any wonder that Romney’s statement has the remark about PR not needing to “cease using Spanish” at least if it is read appropriately (i.e., in response to Santorum’s first statement, not the second, clarifying one).

I didn’t find the words “official language” anywhere in Santorum’s statement. Maybe I missed them, and in any event I think it was a HUGE blunder on Santorum’s part in the middle of a presidential campaign, but I don’t think his statement was controversial at all ipso fact.

Personally, I’m more worried about the guy who wants to be POTUS who doesn’t know English isn’t actually on the books as the official language of this country than I am about Romney’s response to that guy.

Dark Star on March 16, 2012 at 9:37 PM

English is not only the predominantly spoken language throughout all 50 states in the USA, but it is the international language of trade. Puerto Ricans show absolutely no inclination to wanting statehood, and I say good on them. They’re better off without it in a lot of aspects. But we’re mostly conservatives here, folks. Leave the grievance mongering and outrageous outrage to the libtards. Puerto Ricans can decide for themselves if what they’d have to give up for statehood would be worth what they’d gain.

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Just to be clear, I’m not promoting PR statehood.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2012 at 9:28 PM

I didn’t think you were. I was agreeing with you. ;)

AZCoyote on March 16, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Let me say it again, since y’all seem to be ignoring me

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 9:42 PM

By ignoring you they get to be outrageously outraged and you are trying to ruin their fun with facts and stuff.

sharrukin on March 16, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Why isn’t this a states’ rights issue?

Yes, it is. That’s why Santorum is a statist. When discussing his ideological beliefs, he has no problem saying he respects federalism. When he actually has to apply it, his lust for central power kicks in.

MadisonConservative on March 16, 2012 at 9:46 PM

fatso Woody from Toy Story needs to lose some weight…..

both Woody and Newt need to drop out ASAP and get a 24 Hour Fitness membership

nparga23 on March 16, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Raising the level of discourse, I see.

Bitter Clinger on March 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

By ignoring you they get to be outrageously outraged and you are trying to ruin their fun with facts and stuff.

sharrukin on March 16, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Was that a ham-handed compliment? Cause it sounds like you’re mostly agreeing with me, but I can’t really tell.

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Romney is an unprincipled opportunist who will say anything anywhere if it will give him some tactical advantage. He’d say Puerto Rico should be made independent if he thought that would get him a delegate. It’s so absurd that Puerto Ricans, Virgin Islanders and Guamites are going to be influential in picking the Republican nominee – in an election they cannot even vote in. It disenfranchises people who are in states that vote for other candidates. As far as PR statehood, the isla has a GDP per capita less than half the United States and there is no prospect of it approaching American levels of standard of living in the next several generations. It is culturally apart, more so even that the Hawaiian Islands were. Statehood does nothing to benefit the people of Puerto Rico. If they want to pay US taxes they can move to Brooklyn. The fact that we are hurtling toward national bankruptcy, and our election hinges on what some guero said about the Boricua is a new low in a long string of new lows in our national politics. What The Fluke

Ted Torgerson on March 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Man, what a sucky news day.
I guess it’s true – You can’t make a dime on the phone on Friday.

Lanceman on March 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

i know that barry says stupid things on a daily basis…but i would prefer to have our candidates be smarter than barry….after all, is that really too much to ask?

r keller on March 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Yes, it is. That’s why Santorum is a statist. When discussing his ideological beliefs, he has no problem saying he respects federalism. When he actually has to apply it, his lust for central power kicks in.

MadisonConservative on March 16, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Sorry Maddy. This isn’t a state’s rights issue. Congress has an explicit power to set criteria for statehood and has used language as one of those criteria many times in the past. Rend your shirt and strike your breast over Santorum’s lousy politiquing, but this will be an issue should PR ever decide it wants to be the 51st state.

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Cause it sounds like you’re mostly agreeing with me, but I can’t really tell.

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Yes I agree with you. They don’t care what the truth is and aren’t listening.

sharrukin on March 16, 2012 at 9:50 PM

it sounds like you’re mostly agreeing with me, but I can’t really tell.
gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

That made me actually “LOL”.

whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 9:50 PM

O/T I wonder how The Won’s brackets are holding up?

Cindy Munford on March 16, 2012 at 9:53 PM

i know that barry says stupid things on a daily basis…but i would prefer to have our candidates be smarter than barry….after all, is that really too much to ask?

r keller on March 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Smarter than Barry, or more conservative than Barry? Either way, you’re setting the bar awfully low.

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 9:55 PM

And I believe Romney’s response came this morning, after Santorum’s initial statement where it certainly did sound like he was saying that English needed to be the “official language” of PR for it to get statehood but before Santorum’s second statement where he slightly “shifted his position” on English being the “main” language for PR to have statehood. So it isn’t any wonder that Romney’s statement has the remark about PR not needing to “cease using Spanish” at least if it is read appropriately (i.e., in response to Santorum’s first statement, not the second, clarifying one).

Dark Star on March 16, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Correct – Romney was responding to what virtually everyone thought Santorum said, before Santorum said that it was not exactly what he said.

And what’s up with Santorum even bringing this up on a campaign visit? Whether you agree with him or not, it’s not a big vote getting ploy, what with PR having a winner take all for a majority, proportional if not primary. You would think that a guy who called himself “Senador Puertorriqueño” would try and not piss off the voters, just this once, ya know? Messaging.

Priscilla on March 16, 2012 at 9:58 PM

O/T I wonder how The Won’s brackets are holding up?

Cindy Munford on March 16, 2012 at 9:53

Don’t know, but on Fox’s ‘Special Report w/Bret Baier’ today, Kirsten Powers admitted she’s using the president’s brackets for her bets.
:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on March 16, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Why did the two princes even make this a topic?

Rick started it and Mitt, in trying to make hay for himself, is not ending it.

To heck with both of them.

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2012 at 9:19 PM

I don’t understand why Romney continues to constantly criticize every statement that Santorum or Newt makes.

It gets boring!

bluefox on March 16, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Why be a state when you have all the privileges of being one, without the duties?

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Exactly. This whole topic is really moot.

Priscilla on March 16, 2012 at 10:07 PM

To be fair, Santorum would allow the Virgin Islands to retain Virginese as it’s official language.

whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 9:41 PM

LOL Rome is burning and ……….. Only in the Republican Party:-) If they both were running for a U.S. House seat, I doubt I’d vote for either one, LOL

bluefox on March 16, 2012 at 10:09 PM

I think I’m going to play Angry Birds on my Tablet:-)

bluefox on March 16, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Currently, English is, along with Spanish, one of the two official languages of Puerto Rico. English languag classes are mandatory in Puerto Rican schools K through 12. Neither the U.S. Constitution, nor any other Federal law requires English language for statehood.

On an island that is 85% Catholic, the Catholic Santorum chose to speak at an evangelical church in San Juan during his visit.

What’s he doing down there, drumming up votes for the Missouri caucus?

Mr. Arkadin on March 16, 2012 at 9:30 PM

The stupidity of the man knows no bounds. If there’s anything Santy can do to distract the nation from the economy, he will undoubtedly find it.

Good to know about the language requirement or lack thereof. Does this mean Iraq is eligible for US statehood?

bayam on March 16, 2012 at 10:14 PM

This has nothing to do with this thread but I’m really puzzled with the current Drudge headline “Rick Rico.” What was the purpose of that? Seems like it belongs in the Inquirer.

underdog on March 16, 2012 at 10:19 PM

I think I’m going to play Angry Birds on my Tablet:-)
bluefox on March 16, 2012 at 10:10 PM

No Enojado Aves or pornografía, tho!

whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Why be a state when you have all the privileges of being one, without the duties?

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Is that really fair to say? Don’t Peurto Ricans more than contribute to our nation’s military and consistently show commitment to fighting in the name of US interests abroad? PR has faced almost no threat from Islamic terrorists on their own soil but that hasn’t lessened their resolve to fight for the USA.

bayam on March 16, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Is that really fair to say? Don’t Peurto Ricans more than contribute to our nation’s military and consistently show commitment to fighting in the name of US interests abroad? PR has faced almost no threat from Islamic terrorists on their own soil but that hasn’t lessened their resolve to fight for the USA.

bayam on March 16, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Puerto Rico has little choice in the matter. It’s why they are an American territory. The truth of the matter is, in gaining statehood, they’d gain a lot less than they’d lose. It would deaden their freedom, not enhance it. I’d vote against statehood if I lived there.

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 10:23 PM

This has nothing to do with this thread but I’m really puzzled with the current Drudge headline “Rick Rico.” What was the purpose of that? Seems like it belongs in the Inquirer.

underdog on March 16, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Just a good excuse to put up a really stupid and embarrassing pic of a guy he doesn’t like.

Priscilla on March 16, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Good to know about the language requirement or lack thereof. Does this mean Iraq is eligible for US statehood?

bayam on March 16, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Hello? People? Have you not been paying attention to a thing I’ve said? The criteria for statehood aren’t put forth until an enabling act is passed! Jeebus!

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 10:25 PM

I think I’m going to play Angry Birds on my Tablet:-)
bluefox on March 16, 2012 at 10:10 PM

No Enojado Aves or pornografía, tho!

whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 10:20 PM

LOL, no me gusta!! muy malo!!

bluefox on March 16, 2012 at 10:31 PM

This has nothing to do with this thread but I’m really puzzled with the current Drudge headline “Rick Rico.” What was the purpose of that?
underdog on March 16, 2012 at 10:19 PM

It’s a literary device; Alliteration. Pat Buchanan wrote some doozys for Spiro Agnew, e.g. “hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history”.
Also compare “Sticks nix hick pix”.

whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 10:33 PM

bayam on March 16, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Hello? People? Have you not been paying attention to a thing I’ve said? The criteria for statehood aren’t put forth until an enabling act is passed! Jeebus!

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Sometimes it’s like banging your head against a brick wall. Remember Palin vs Perry? LOL Same thing:-)

I don’t think I’d want to be a School Teacher, ha-ha

bluefox on March 16, 2012 at 10:33 PM

It speaks poorly of the electorate when one realizes Santorum, with what he has said, done and proposes is getting more votes than Gingrich. Looks like the bottom of the barrel has floated to the top of pond. Neither Santorum nor Romney can beat Obama in the general. They do not have the right message. The establishment GOP do not care if Obama is reelected. They would rather secure the house and senate.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on March 16, 2012 at 10:33 PM

This has nothing to do with this thread but I’m really puzzled with the current Drudge headline “Rick Rico.” What was the purpose of that? Seems like it belongs in the Inquirer.

underdog on March 16, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Just a good excuse to put up a really stupid and embarrassing pic of a guy he doesn’t like.

Priscilla on March 16, 2012 at 10:23 PM

I thought so – Was hoping I was wrong.

underdog on March 16, 2012 at 10:42 PM

It speaks poorly of the electorate when one realizes Santorum, with what he has said, done and proposes is getting more votes than Gingrich.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on March 16, 2012 at 10:33 PM

No Gingrich fan here, but I totally agree.

Priscilla on March 16, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Hello? People? Have you not been paying attention to a thing I’ve said? The criteria for statehood aren’t put forth until an enabling act is passed! Jeebus!

gryphon202 on March 16, 2012 at 10:25 PM

I’ve been paying attention, and appreciate your efforts. Santorum would have benefited from your wisdom and grasp of the subject. Unfortunately, his statement (repeated here for clarity) is:

“Like in every other state, it [must comply] with this and every other federal law,- and that is that English should be the main language,”

The problem with that statement, of course, is that it strongly implies that there is a current Federal law that “English should be the main language”. Which there is not.

The more significant point here, of course, is that this just demonstrates Santorum’s ineptitude as a candidate. This is not a pressing issue. There was no need to comment on it. Just as there was no need to say that JFK’s speech about the separation of church and state made him want to “throw up”, or that Obama was a “snob” for wanting everyone go get a higher education. There are numerous other examples of Santorum deciding to share the gift of his opinions unnecessarily. Whether he does it on his own or in response to a “baiting” question by a reporter is irrelevant…there are numerous ways to deflect stupid questions and get back to what you want to talk about, but apparently Santorum doesn’t know any of them.

In the world of politics, there is such a thing as message discipline. Santorum doesn’t have it. He’s either just a dunderhead who doesn’t realize that he’s being played, or one of those self-righteous people who thinks that we should all hear his opinions on every single subject under the sun, and learn from his shining wisdom. You seldom see either type as President.

HTL on March 16, 2012 at 10:46 PM

There is no federal law requiring English being the only or even the main language for statehood. Santorum is completely wrong on that one. The USA does not have an official language — while the matter has certainly been debated, and movements have been made to enact a federal law that declares English as be the official language, there is not, in fact, any such law on the books.

Let me say it again, since y’all seem to be ignoring me: Emabling acts have required every state entering the union since at least the mid-nineteenth century to be able to conduct state business in English, and in certain southwestern states, also address English being taught in schools (h/t Ninjapirate). If Puerto Rico schedules a vote for statehood, an enabling act would almost have to be passed in Congress first. For such an act to not include PR’s language barrier in it (and there absolutely IS a language barrier, make no mistake) would be unprecedented.

Let me explain this again since you don’t seem to understand the difference between present tense and past tense. Santorum spoke of “the law” in the present tense. (Exact words: “you have to comply with this and any federal law”). Statutes that had been enacted in the mid-nineteenth century, which is in the past, are of no moment in this situation. I defy you to show me right now a law on the books that requires PR to make English it’s main language — show me the “this law” of which Santorum was speaking.

Furthermore, statutes about being able to conduct business and having to teach English in schools isn’t the same thing as requiring that English be the MAIN language in a state, as you seem to think.

Now, I realize my response, adding in the fact that the US does not have an official language seems to have confused you. I should not have done that — I should have stuck with the word “main” since that is the word Santorum used, but, in fact, what I wrote is true: there is no official language in the US and, further, the statutes you point to do not rise to the level of requiring English be even the “main” language as a requirement of statehood. Hint: Requiring the ability to conduct business in English & having to teach English in schools kind of even implies that English isn’t the main language there.

And I believe Romney’s response came this morning, after Santorum’s initial statement where it certainly did sound like he was saying that English needed to be the “official language” of PR for it to get statehood but before Santorum’s second statement where he slightly “shifted his position” on English being the “main” language for PR to have statehood. So it isn’t any wonder that Romney’s statement has the remark about PR not needing to “cease using Spanish” at least if it is read appropriately (i.e., in response to Santorum’s first statement, not the second, clarifying one).

I didn’t find the words “official language” anywhere in Santorum’s statement. Maybe I missed them, and in any event I think it was a HUGE blunder on Santorum’s part in the middle of a presidential campaign, but I don’t think his statement was controversial at all ipso fact.

Reading comp. 101 — I specifically wrote: “where it seemed like he was saying English needed to be the “official” language for PR to become a state” — I even used quote marks on the word official to give you the context clue that I was putting the interpretation on to Santorum’s words that were given by the vast majority out there (hence the need for his clarification today, btw, that he did not mean English had to be the official language for PR statehood). I did not, however, write that Santorum actually said the words “official language” anywhere in his statement. That is what the word “seems” means.

Dark Star on March 16, 2012 at 10:57 PM

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